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    From slider@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, November 28, 2020 13:44:32
    From: slider@anashram.com

    The assassination of the country’s top nuclear expert raises fears that
    the outgoing US president is determined to take further action

    The assassination on Friday of Iran’s leading nuclear scientist has heightened suspicions t hat Donald Trump, in cahoots with hardline Israeli
    and Saudi allies, may be trying to lure the Tehran regime into an all-out confrontation in the dying days of his presidency. Trump’s four-year-long Iranian vendetta is approaching a climax – and he still has the power and
    the means to inflict lasting damage.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/28/was-scientists-killing-the-opening-act-of-a-trump-led-war-on-iran

    Speculation that Trump might soon initiate or support some kind of attack
    on Iran, overt or covert, kinetic or cyber, had swirled across the Middle
    East in the wake of last weekend’s unprecedented meeting in Saudi Arabia between Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, US secretary of
    state, Mike Pompeo, and the Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman.

    What the three men discussed remains a closely guarded secret, a fact that
    has only served to encourage conspiracy claims. In the absence of an
    official statement, it’s suggested they may have agreed to intensify
    efforts to provoke and weaken the Tehran regime. Any ensuing retaliation
    by Iran might then potentially be used to justify an attack on its nuclear facilities before Trump leaves office on 20 January.

    The meeting in Neom, a city near the Red Sea, and the possibly deliberate
    leak revealing it had taken place, served another important purpose. By presenting a united anti-Iran front, the participants put US
    president-elect Joe Biden on notice that his plans to resume dialogue with Tehran, and revive the 2015 nuclear deal abandoned by Trump, will face
    fierce resistance and may have to be rethought.

    If Iran hits back over the assassination, as threatened by its supreme
    leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Biden’s hopes of calming the regional situation could be blown apart – along with Iran’s nuclear facilities at Natanz and elsewhere. And there’s another danger. Even if the regime holds back, loyalist Shia militias in Iraq, Syria or Lebanon could take matters
    into their own hands.

    “We will strike as thunder at the killers of this oppressed martyr and
    will make them regret their action,” Hossein Dehghan, a senior military commander, vowed in a tweet. Yet Iran’s dilemma is excruciating. If it
    does retaliate in any obvious way, it could give its enemies the excuse
    they want and the opportunity they crave to deliver a crushing blow.

    Iran’s leaders have little doubt that Israel, with a probable green light
    from Washington, was behind the assassination. President Hassan Rouhani expressly blamed the “usurper Zionist regime”. Foreign minister Javad
    Zarif tweeted that there were “serious indications” of an Israeli role. “Iran calls on international community – and especially EU – to end their shameful double standards & condemn this act of state terror,” he wrote.

    The methods used to kill the scientist, Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, who was gunned
    down in a street near Tehran, resembled those used in a spate of similar killings of nuclear experts between 2010 and 2012 that Iran blamed on
    Israel. In 2018, Netanyahu singled Fakhrizadeh out as Iran’s supposed
    nuclear weapons mastermind.

    The assassination also recalled last January’s lethal ambush of General Qassem Suleimani, the Iranian Islamic revolutionary guard corps commander, which was personally ordered by Trump. While Suleimani was regarded as a national hero, Fakhrizadeh was also a man of high seniority. For Iran, his death is a body blow.

    Trump has shown himself ready to use covert means to punish the Iranian
    regime, which he accuses of secretly developing nuclear weapons and destabilising the Middle East – claims Iran adamantly denies. The US and Israel are believed to have launched repeated sabotage attacks inside Iran
    on Trump’s watch.

    In July, the Natanz nuclear fuel enrichment facilities were damaged by a mysterious explosion. This month, Trump reportedly discussed options for hitting Natanz and other targets after UN inspectors said Iran’s
    low-enriched uranium stockpile was now 12 times higher than permitted
    under the 2015 nuclear deal abandoned by Trump.

    For still undisclosed reasons, Trump ordered several nuclear-capable B-52 Stratofortress bombers to fly 7,000 miles to the Middle East last weekend.

    Was the assassination a one-off designed to damage Iran’s nuclear
    programme? Or could all this be a prelude to something more strategically explosive as Trump strives to secure his wished-for legacy as scourge of
    Iran and saviour of Israel?

    Trump certainly needs a win. His Iran policy to date has mostly resulted
    in own goals. His “maximum pressure” sanctions campaign hurt the Iranian people but left their leaders unbowed. The regime is now closer to
    acquiring nuclear bomb-making capability than it would have been had Trump
    not reneged on the nuclear deal.

    Yet what happens next also depends, up to a point, on Israel and Saudi
    Arabia. Netanyahu and Prince Mohammed are keen to send a message to Biden
    that what they characterise as appeasement of Iran will not work. If the nuclear deal is to be resurrected, they want loopholes plugged and new
    elements added. Meanwhile, they say sanctions on Iran should continue.

    But both men must tread carefully. Netanyahu cannot ignore Biden’s views
    or the impact expanding hostilities could have on Israel’s security. As
    for the crown prince, he would doubtless like to see Iran given a bloody
    nose. But he, too, has to ponder the cost of turning Saudi cities and oil terminals into targets. For them, the assassination represents a high-risk gamble.

    Iran’s leaders must now decide whether to resist the urge to retaliate –
    or lash out and invite a larger conflict at a moment when the country’s sanctions and Covid-hit economy is on its knees. It’s a fateful moment for the entire Middle East. Full of brooding malevolence, Trump is waiting to pounce. After four years of failure, he may be tempted to go out with a
    bang.

    ### - so, they're iran-baiting again eh?

    i.e., it was probably israeli secret services that carried this one out (they're very good at things like that) and if they retaliate in some way
    then it's the perfect excuse to clobber them big time, so the whole
    thing's just setting a trap for iran to walk into really...

    if iran has any sense though they'll wait until after trumpy's gone (not
    long to go now lol)

    and because the west (and trumpy currently because he's desperate heh)
    would probably like nothing better than to level iran completely as the
    last bastion of islam; the saudi's - having been seduced by wealth - being idiots if they really think they too wont then be taken out once iran has
    been suitably disabled...

    and because then there's only china & russia left standing in our way see?

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, December 02, 2020 11:51:20
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 13:44:32 -0000, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    The assassination of the country’s top nuclear expert raises fears that
    the outgoing US president is determined to take further action

    The assassination on Friday of Iran’s leading nuclear scientist has >heightened suspicions t hat Donald Trump, in cahoots with hardline Israeli >and Saudi allies, may be trying to lure the Tehran regime into an all-out >confrontation in the dying days of his presidency. Trump’s four-year-long >Iranian vendetta is approaching a climax – and he still has the power and >the means to inflict lasting damage.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/28/was-scientists-killing-the-opening-act-of-a-trump-led-war-on-iran

    Speculation that Trump might soon initiate or support some kind of attack
    on Iran, overt or covert, kinetic or cyber, had swirled across the Middle >East in the wake of last weekend’s unprecedented meeting in Saudi Arabia >between Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, US secretary of
    state, Mike Pompeo, and the Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman.

    What the three men discussed remains a closely guarded secret, a fact that >has only served to encourage conspiracy claims. In the absence of an
    official statement, it’s suggested they may have agreed to intensify >efforts to provoke and weaken the Tehran regime. Any ensuing retaliation
    by Iran might then potentially be used to justify an attack on its nuclear >facilities before Trump leaves office on 20 January.

    The meeting in Neom, a city near the Red Sea, and the possibly deliberate >leak revealing it had taken place, served another important purpose. By >presenting a united anti-Iran front, the participants put US
    president-elect Joe Biden on notice that his plans to resume dialogue with >Tehran, and revive the 2015 nuclear deal abandoned by Trump, will face
    fierce resistance and may have to be rethought.

    If Iran hits back over the assassination, as threatened by its supreme >leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Biden’s hopes of calming the regional >situation could be blown apart – along with Iran’s nuclear facilities at >Natanz and elsewhere. And there’s another danger. Even if the regime holds >back, loyalist Shia militias in Iraq, Syria or Lebanon could take matters >into their own hands.

    “We will strike as thunder at the killers of this oppressed martyr and
    will make them regret their action,” Hossein Dehghan, a senior military >commander, vowed in a tweet. Yet Iran’s dilemma is excruciating. If it
    does retaliate in any obvious way, it could give its enemies the excuse
    they want and the opportunity they crave to deliver a crushing blow.

    Iran’s leaders have little doubt that Israel, with a probable green light
    from Washington, was behind the assassination. President Hassan Rouhani
    expressly blamed the “usurper Zionist regime”. Foreign minister Javad >Zarif tweeted that there were “serious indications” of an Israeli role. >“Iran calls on international community – and especially EU – to end their
    shameful double standards & condemn this act of state terror,” he wrote.

    The methods used to kill the scientist, Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, who was gunned >down in a street near Tehran, resembled those used in a spate of similar >killings of nuclear experts between 2010 and 2012 that Iran blamed on
    Israel. In 2018, Netanyahu singled Fakhrizadeh out as Iran’s supposed >nuclear weapons mastermind.

    The assassination also recalled last January’s lethal ambush of General >Qassem Suleimani, the Iranian Islamic revolutionary guard corps commander, >which was personally ordered by Trump. While Suleimani was regarded as a >national hero, Fakhrizadeh was also a man of high seniority. For Iran, his >death is a body blow.

    Trump has shown himself ready to use covert means to punish the Iranian >regime, which he accuses of secretly developing nuclear weapons and >destabilising the Middle East – claims Iran adamantly denies. The US and >Israel are believed to have launched repeated sabotage attacks inside Iran
    on Trump’s watch.

    In July, the Natanz nuclear fuel enrichment facilities were damaged by a >mysterious explosion. This month, Trump reportedly discussed options for >hitting Natanz and other targets after UN inspectors said Iran’s >low-enriched uranium stockpile was now 12 times higher than permitted
    under the 2015 nuclear deal abandoned by Trump.

    For still undisclosed reasons, Trump ordered several nuclear-capable B-52 >Stratofortress bombers to fly 7,000 miles to the Middle East last weekend.

    Was the assassination a one-off designed to damage Iran’s nuclear >programme? Or could all this be a prelude to something more strategically >explosive as Trump strives to secure his wished-for legacy as scourge of
    Iran and saviour of Israel?

    Trump certainly needs a win. His Iran policy to date has mostly resulted
    in own goals. His “maximum pressure” sanctions campaign hurt the Iranian >people but left their leaders unbowed. The regime is now closer to
    acquiring nuclear bomb-making capability than it would have been had Trump >not reneged on the nuclear deal.

    Yet what happens next also depends, up to a point, on Israel and Saudi >Arabia. Netanyahu and Prince Mohammed are keen to send a message to Biden >that what they characterise as appeasement of Iran will not work. If the >nuclear deal is to be resurrected, they want loopholes plugged and new >elements added. Meanwhile, they say sanctions on Iran should continue.

    But both men must tread carefully. Netanyahu cannot ignore Biden’s views
    or the impact expanding hostilities could have on Israel’s security. As
    for the crown prince, he would doubtless like to see Iran given a bloody >nose. But he, too, has to ponder the cost of turning Saudi cities and oil >terminals into targets. For them, the assassination represents a high-risk >gamble.

    Iran’s leaders must now decide whether to resist the urge to retaliate – >or lash out and invite a larger conflict at a moment when the country’s >sanctions and Covid-hit economy is on its knees. It’s a fateful moment for >the entire Middle East. Full of brooding malevolence, Trump is waiting to >pounce. After four years of failure, he may be tempted to go out with a
    bang.

    ### - so, they're iran-baiting again eh?

    i.e., it was probably israeli secret services that carried this one out >(they're very good at things like that) and if they retaliate in some way >then it's the perfect excuse to clobber them big time, so the whole
    thing's just setting a trap for iran to walk into really...

    if iran has any sense though they'll wait until after trumpy's gone (not
    long to go now lol)

    and because the west (and trumpy currently because he's desperate heh)
    would probably like nothing better than to level iran completely as the
    last bastion of islam; the saudi's - having been seduced by wealth - being >idiots if they really think they too wont then be taken out once iran has >been suitably disabled...

    and because then there's only china & russia left standing in our way see?

    I think it's obvious what you say above. But Iran is just "Biding"
    time until Trump walks, is shoved or is carried out in a straight
    jacket. They won't bite.

    Biden has no love for the Zionists who have been terrorising the world
    since the Kind David hotel atrocity and the bombings and shootings of
    the Brits after WW2. The hotel bombing killed heaps of your
    countrymen Slider and was part of an insurgency against Britain. Bibi
    is still part of that insurgency except the Jews now have nukes.

    So expect an atroclity against the Iranians before 12:00 on 20
    January. Unless it involves nukes or bacteria, Iran will just wait
    the mongrels out.

    And the Saudis must be literally shitting themselves. Biden is
    pragmatic and more realistic than Trump and nothing is going well for
    the Saudis at the moment, not even the war in Yemen.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to thangolossus@gmail.com on Wednesday, December 02, 2020 08:44:55
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 03:51:20 -0000, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 13:44:32 -0000, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    The assassination of the country’s top nuclear expert raises fears that
    the outgoing US president is determined to take further action

    The assassination on Friday of Iran’s leading nuclear scientist has
    heightened suspicions t hat Donald Trump, in cahoots with hardline
    Israeli
    and Saudi allies, may be trying to lure the Tehran regime into an
    all-out
    confrontation in the dying days of his presidency. Trump’s
    four-year-long
    Iranian vendetta is approaching a climax – and he still has the power
    and
    the means to inflict lasting damage.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/28/was-scientists-killing-the-opening-act-of-a-trump-led-war-on-iran

    Speculation that Trump might soon initiate or support some kind of
    attack
    on Iran, overt or covert, kinetic or cyber, had swirled across the
    Middle
    East in the wake of last weekend’s unprecedented meeting in Saudi Arabia >> between Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, US secretary of
    state, Mike Pompeo, and the Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman.

    What the three men discussed remains a closely guarded secret, a fact
    that
    has only served to encourage conspiracy claims. In the absence of an
    official statement, it’s suggested they may have agreed to intensify
    efforts to provoke and weaken the Tehran regime. Any ensuing retaliation
    by Iran might then potentially be used to justify an attack on its
    nuclear
    facilities before Trump leaves office on 20 January.

    The meeting in Neom, a city near the Red Sea, and the possibly
    deliberate
    leak revealing it had taken place, served another important purpose. By
    presenting a united anti-Iran front, the participants put US
    president-elect Joe Biden on notice that his plans to resume dialogue
    with
    Tehran, and revive the 2015 nuclear deal abandoned by Trump, will face
    fierce resistance and may have to be rethought.

    If Iran hits back over the assassination, as threatened by its supreme
    leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Biden’s hopes of calming the regional
    situation could be blown apart – along with Iran’s nuclear facilities at >> Natanz and elsewhere. And there’s another danger. Even if the regime
    holds
    back, loyalist Shia militias in Iraq, Syria or Lebanon could take
    matters
    into their own hands.

    “We will strike as thunder at the killers of this oppressed martyr and
    will make them regret their action,” Hossein Dehghan, a senior military
    commander, vowed in a tweet. Yet Iran’s dilemma is excruciating. If it
    does retaliate in any obvious way, it could give its enemies the excuse
    they want and the opportunity they crave to deliver a crushing blow.

    Iran’s leaders have little doubt that Israel, with a probable green
    light
    from Washington, was behind the assassination. President Hassan Rouhani
    expressly blamed the “usurper Zionist regime”. Foreign minister Javad
    Zarif tweeted that there were “serious indications” of an Israeli role. >> “Iran calls on international community – and especially EU – to end
    their
    shameful double standards & condemn this act of state terror,” he wrote. >>
    The methods used to kill the scientist, Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, who was
    gunned
    down in a street near Tehran, resembled those used in a spate of similar
    killings of nuclear experts between 2010 and 2012 that Iran blamed on
    Israel. In 2018, Netanyahu singled Fakhrizadeh out as Iran’s supposed
    nuclear weapons mastermind.

    The assassination also recalled last January’s lethal ambush of General
    Qassem Suleimani, the Iranian Islamic revolutionary guard corps
    commander,
    which was personally ordered by Trump. While Suleimani was regarded as a
    national hero, Fakhrizadeh was also a man of high seniority. For Iran,
    his
    death is a body blow.

    Trump has shown himself ready to use covert means to punish the Iranian
    regime, which he accuses of secretly developing nuclear weapons and
    destabilising the Middle East – claims Iran adamantly denies. The US and >> Israel are believed to have launched repeated sabotage attacks inside
    Iran
    on Trump’s watch.

    In July, the Natanz nuclear fuel enrichment facilities were damaged by a
    mysterious explosion. This month, Trump reportedly discussed options for
    hitting Natanz and other targets after UN inspectors said Iran’s
    low-enriched uranium stockpile was now 12 times higher than permitted
    under the 2015 nuclear deal abandoned by Trump.

    For still undisclosed reasons, Trump ordered several nuclear-capable
    B-52
    Stratofortress bombers to fly 7,000 miles to the Middle East last
    weekend.

    Was the assassination a one-off designed to damage Iran’s nuclear
    programme? Or could all this be a prelude to something more
    strategically
    explosive as Trump strives to secure his wished-for legacy as scourge of
    Iran and saviour of Israel?

    Trump certainly needs a win. His Iran policy to date has mostly resulted
    in own goals. His “maximum pressure” sanctions campaign hurt the Iranian >> people but left their leaders unbowed. The regime is now closer to
    acquiring nuclear bomb-making capability than it would have been had
    Trump
    not reneged on the nuclear deal.

    Yet what happens next also depends, up to a point, on Israel and Saudi
    Arabia. Netanyahu and Prince Mohammed are keen to send a message to
    Biden
    that what they characterise as appeasement of Iran will not work. If the
    nuclear deal is to be resurrected, they want loopholes plugged and new
    elements added. Meanwhile, they say sanctions on Iran should continue.

    But both men must tread carefully. Netanyahu cannot ignore Biden’s views >> or the impact expanding hostilities could have on Israel’s security. As
    for the crown prince, he would doubtless like to see Iran given a bloody
    nose. But he, too, has to ponder the cost of turning Saudi cities and
    oil
    terminals into targets. For them, the assassination represents a
    high-risk
    gamble.

    Iran’s leaders must now decide whether to resist the urge to retaliate – >> or lash out and invite a larger conflict at a moment when the country’s
    sanctions and Covid-hit economy is on its knees. It’s a fateful moment
    for
    the entire Middle East. Full of brooding malevolence, Trump is waiting
    to
    pounce. After four years of failure, he may be tempted to go out with a
    bang.

    ### - so, they're iran-baiting again eh?

    i.e., it was probably israeli secret services that carried this one out
    (they're very good at things like that) and if they retaliate in some
    way
    then it's the perfect excuse to clobber them big time, so the whole
    thing's just setting a trap for iran to walk into really...

    if iran has any sense though they'll wait until after trumpy's gone (not
    long to go now lol)

    and because the west (and trumpy currently because he's desperate heh)
    would probably like nothing better than to level iran completely as the
    last bastion of islam; the saudi's - having been seduced by wealth -
    being
    idiots if they really think they too wont then be taken out once iran
    has
    been suitably disabled...

    and because then there's only china & russia left standing in our way
    see?

    I think it's obvious what you say above. But Iran is just "Biding"
    time until Trump walks, is shoved or is carried out in a straight
    jacket. They won't bite.

    ### - they did however brain-damage 100+ US troops in iraq in retaliation
    for killing their big general that time though didn't they? the problem
    with those iran guys being that they're more emotional than rational, and
    as such likely feel obliged to do 'something' in return...




    Biden has no love for the Zionists who have been terrorising the world
    since the Kind David hotel atrocity and the bombings and shootings of
    the Brits after WW2. The hotel bombing killed heaps of your
    countrymen Slider and was part of an insurgency against Britain. Bibi
    is still part of that insurgency except the Jews now have nukes.

    ### - have always viewed the state of israel as being a deliberately
    created outpost of western ideology: a western fort in the
    muslim/middle-east wilderness that's been deliberately armed to the teeth
    to withstand all & any attacks upon its person; a pitbull straining at its leash while its owners whisper to it whenever it gets upset: not now boy,
    not now... but soooon?

    so if iran makes any kind of a move towards them over this latest
    incident, anything at all, even just a little bit of brain damage, and
    israel will go ape on iran as they've continually threatened to...




    So expect an atroclity against the Iranians before 12:00 on 20
    January. Unless it involves nukes or bacteria, Iran will just wait
    the mongrels out.

    And the Saudis must be literally shitting themselves. Biden is
    pragmatic and more realistic than Trump and nothing is going well for
    the Saudis at the moment, not even the war in Yemen.

    ### - imho all those political visits to israel & saudi recently weren't a coincidence but a preparation for what is to come, everyone wondering just
    what was being discussed in those meetings held behind closed doors?

    something's brewing anyway, and when it happens it ain't gonna be good for iran! we 'can' be sure of that!

    if iran has any sense they'll wait... problem is they don't have any
    rational sense at all, it's all emotion with them, their avowed hatred of israel and the US is coming to a peak while we deliberately poke at them
    with sticks to infuriate/incite them even more?

    a worst case scenario being 100,000 missiles launched onetime upon israel
    from all directions including syria (which is why israel is so staunchly against allowing any iranian encampments in syria for instance) and israel would be gone! so they 'have' to act before that ever occurs?

    israel having now been implicated in this latest incident; will iran
    retaliate for this latest attack upon their person? they'd be a fool to do
    so in only a limited fashion with no one to support them, and because even 'one' missile from iran would be enough to unleash the pitbull...

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