he loses heh (their biggest postal-vote in history!) the best that could >>> happen being a total landslide to biden, sooo BIG the postal votes wont
even matter... (a best case scenario heh)
I think Trump is fucked and when he loses, he will foment some sort of
conflict perhaps even approaching a civil war. Let's wait and see,
it's all very imminent.
### - am actually surprised there hasn't already been something far more >drastic from him; some ultimate stunt he pulled to ensure a victory? (even >thought he was maybe gonna do it with china over this virus shit and start >some kinda more overt war with them, something that obviated the election >altogether kinda thing? thank goodness, he didn't)
so yeah it should be good, and even very entertaining lol depending on
which way it all goes haha...
Yep, you got that right. I will be enjoying myself immensely.
### - lashings of colas and popcorns at the ready here boss! haha! :)));)
this is gonna be a 'key' episode of Dallas the soap opera!
this world is just so fucked up though thang that trumpy could still win >>> it, their electoral collage bs being a way to virtually guarantee a fix
can always go in, whereas a one-man-one-vote system (i.e., what they
euphemistically call: the popular vote hah!) would always be more
representative...
It's not the world that's fucked up, it's human nature - we're peak
thinkers, predators and toolmakers, but we haven't shucked off our
primal baggage from our primordial beginnings. That will come - the
danger is we will wipe ourselves out before we can defeat our
instincts and evolutionary survival traits.
### - i indeed meant the human race only, there's being nada wrong
whatsoever with nature and the rest of the universe, which appears
perfect, it's just the human race that's all fucked up ;)
I'm always surprised that many people can't see this self-evident
fact. One needs a view of nature unburdened with sentimentality and
belief in tooth fairies and gods and all that junk - then reality
comes plainly into view.
### - that's totally correct imho... the human race is living in their
very own little bubble of self-constructed + invented reality which
they've superimposed upon the greater background reality that all the rest
of nature is still in contact directly with... we're a maladjusted species >heh ;)
the whole world is thus rigged to work & function in a very certain +
specific way that ultimately stinks to high heaven...
You mean "human world" - nature generated our species and when we are
extinct, whether it be in 50 years or 50,000,000 years, we won't be
missed by nature at all.
### - yes, the human world, the 'false' human world that flies in the face
of nature as it really is and has always been... the human race not giving >2-shits for how nature 'wants' to be, we've got our own ideas which, >coincidentally, results in us directly destroying nature! (i mean, what
more proof do we need that we need to change our ways??)
that IF there's a 'god' up there, he must be choking on the fumes of it
all by now heh ;)
There's no "up" to start with. We're just a blip on the screen, an
outlier even in this pretty ordinary galaxy we're gravitationally
bound to. There definitely isn't a god in the way we imagine it to
be. Most people, deep deep down, know this.
### - was really only speaking rhetorically hehe, and just a little humour
on my part with the emphasis on "IF" in capital letters hah, because imho >we're totally alone with not even 'aliens' to help us hah! (fuckin'
aliens!? lol, riiiiight... and coz just look at the damnable state of us
and our world if *they've* been guiding us??? lol fuck off with their
aliens shit! - aliens?? riiiiight... ahaha... sorry folks but there ain't
no stinkin' aliens! okaaaay? fuckin' aliens! gimmie a break!)
there IS however: Nature! which we're definitely a part of, and IS a part
of us!
and we're in direct communication with it, only we don't really wanna know >because it runs counter to all our own crappy ideas?
thus we feel, quite correctly, that something's missing from our lives,
and then dream of some kinda tooth fairy 'god' who looks after us albeit
from a great + unreachable distance... we 'intuit' the truth that Nature
is actually right there for us only we can't see it... (it's right under
our fuckin' noses and we're looking somewhere else completely??)
will we ever get back to it, to our real roots and some kinda genuine
sanity?
maybe... that is if we don't destroy everything & ourselves first in a
frenzy of self loathing and hatred because we're so estranged from Reality!
maybe... but imho this really is our last chance!
However, in a 15 billion year old universe, it's unlikely that other lifeforms would attain the same level of technology or similar as us
in the same 10000 year timeframe. Vanishingly small probablity
actually when you do the math. They have either wiped themselves out,
gone extinct for other reasons, decided to stay in their solar system,
found the distances simply too vast or the challenges to prolonged
space travel (gamma rays, cosmic rays, time dilation etc etc) have
never been surmounted.
Who knows?
there IS however: Nature! which we're definitely a part of, and IS a
part
of us!
Everything is nature and nature is everything. To the bounds of the
observable universe (several trillion galaxies in a volume around 90
billion light years in diameter) and the probable infinitude
thereafter. Our actions are nature because of this - there's no
"outside" nature. This place has been destroyed countless times over
- the Permian Extinction, the extinction of the dinosaurs, the very
very early extinctions and the biggest of all 2500 million years ago
when our atmosphere was changed by blue green algae from lovely safe
non-oxidising methane and so on to fucking OXYGEN! Killed almost
entirely the life on terra, but paved the way for multicellular
organisms which paved the way for ....
US!
### - that's certainly one way of looking at it heh (the 'rationalised'
version i mean)
only, can 'life' (and all that entails/implies) really be rationalised
in
such a manner without necessarily distorting the whole picture in the
process? any attempt to squeeze infinity into a box (no matter how big
that box) in order to examine it reducing it to something less than
infinity every time?
Look up the term "aleph null" some time. A guy called Cantor did
squeeze infinity into a "box" and then went on to define and prove
levels of infinity above simple infinity. All well proven,
reproducible science (math).
that doesn't stop us from trying though does it hah! and thus we've
ended
up with one version after another of the damn tooth fairy!
Nope, one single version of infinity - which is that the concept of
infinity is just one in an infinite series of infiniities. Nothing to
do with fairies or any of that old campfire hogwash.
that there's obviously more (a whole heap more!) to life, the universe &
everything than reason alone can account for ;)
Wouldn't you say that mathematics is the epitome of reason? Well,
there is very little that math won't account for. Even the cadence of
music, the rhythm of poetry, the structure of prose, the brushstrokes
in painting and the forms of sculptures can be accounted for, or
described, by math.
I know what you're trying to say and I'm not being condescending in
saying that you maybe should try harder to say it in a way which is
clearer. But I know what it is, I think.
and we're in direct communication with it, only we don't really wanna
know
because it runs counter to all our own crappy ideas?
thus we feel, quite correctly, that something's missing from our
lives,
and then dream of some kinda tooth fairy 'god' who looks after us
albeit
from a great + unreachable distance... we 'intuit' the truth that
Nature
is actually right there for us only we can't see it... (it's right
under
our fuckin' noses and we're looking somewhere else completely??)
will we ever get back to it, to our real roots and some kinda genuine
sanity?
maybe... that is if we don't destroy everything & ourselves first in a >>>> frenzy of self loathing and hatred because we're so estranged from
Reality!
maybe... but imho this really is our last chance!
What chance? Nature is purely cold equations and trigger events and
if we don't make it, we don't make it. That's life/nature.
### - our civilisations have, in that sense, been one experiment after
the
other, all of which to date have failed for one reason or another... our
civilisation being the 23rd (that we know about) in a long succession of
such civilisations, the odds thus being currently 22 to 1 against ours
will be any more successful? (it's kinda like a tree that only grows up
a
wall so far before it becomes top-heavy and falls over every time kinda
thing, and this is it's 23rd attempt!)
Where did you get that number from? I'm intrigued.
We're no big deal. Undoubtedly in all of those trillions of galaxies
each with huncreds of billions of suns and uncountable trillions of
planets, there is teeming life and some WILL make it.
### - true! our whole planet is just a single mote of cosmic dust with a
bunch of obscure germs growing on it lol (like fleas on a dog! haha!)
Far denser than fleas on a dog. Try the grains of sand on all the
beaches in the world a million times over - that's probably a good
start, unless the whole shebang is infinite, in which case it's not
even a start.
‘Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.’
Liber AL vel Legis, sub figura CCXX,
as delivered by XCIII=418 to DCLXVI
Aleister Crowley, Cairo, 1904
### - you 'do' understand that he (crowley) was a complete loon with a
huge chip on his shoulder, don't you thang?
I like this saying because it's libertarian. I don't ascribe to 19th
century theology and mysticism but I do understand that he had more
women in bed than can be good for one's health :)
he loses heh (their biggest postal-vote in history!) the best that could >>> happen being a total landslide to biden, sooo BIG the postal votes wont
even matter... (a best case scenario heh)
I think Trump is fucked and when he loses, he will foment some sort of
conflict perhaps even approaching a civil war. Let's wait and see,
it's all very imminent.
### - am actually surprised there hasn't already been something far more >drastic from him; some ultimate stunt he pulled to ensure a victory? (even >thought he was maybe gonna do it with china over this virus shit and start >some kinda more overt war with them, something that obviated the election >altogether kinda thing? thank goodness, he didn't)
so yeah it should be good, and even very entertaining lol depending on
which way it all goes haha...
Yep, you got that right. I will be enjoying myself immensely.
### - lashings of colas and popcorns at the ready here boss! haha! :)));)
this is gonna be a 'key' episode of Dallas the soap opera!
this world is just so fucked up though thang that trumpy could still win >>> it, their electoral collage bs being a way to virtually guarantee a fix
can always go in, whereas a one-man-one-vote system (i.e., what they
euphemistically call: the popular vote hah!) would always be more
representative...
It's not the world that's fucked up, it's human nature - we're peak
thinkers, predators and toolmakers, but we haven't shucked off our
primal baggage from our primordial beginnings. That will come - the
danger is we will wipe ourselves out before we can defeat our
instincts and evolutionary survival traits.
### - i indeed meant the human race only, there's being nada wrong
whatsoever with nature and the rest of the universe, which appears
perfect, it's just the human race that's all fucked up ;)
I'm always surprised that many people can't see this self-evident
fact. One needs a view of nature unburdened with sentimentality and
belief in tooth fairies and gods and all that junk - then reality
comes plainly into view.
### - that's totally correct imho... the human race is living in their
very own little bubble of self-constructed + invented reality which
they've superimposed upon the greater background reality that all the rest
of nature is still in contact directly with... we're a maladjusted species >heh ;)
the whole world is thus rigged to work & function in a very certain +
specific way that ultimately stinks to high heaven...
You mean "human world" - nature generated our species and when we are
extinct, whether it be in 50 years or 50,000,000 years, we won't be
missed by nature at all.
### - yes, the human world, the 'false' human world that flies in the face
of nature as it really is and has always been... the human race not giving >2-shits for how nature 'wants' to be, we've got our own ideas which, >coincidentally, results in us directly destroying nature! (i mean, what
more proof do we need that we need to change our ways??)
that IF there's a 'god' up there, he must be choking on the fumes of it
all by now heh ;)
There's no "up" to start with. We're just a blip on the screen, an
outlier even in this pretty ordinary galaxy we're gravitationally
bound to. There definitely isn't a god in the way we imagine it to
be. Most people, deep deep down, know this.
### - was really only speaking rhetorically hehe, and just a little humour
on my part with the emphasis on "IF" in capital letters hah, because imho >we're totally alone with not even 'aliens' to help us hah! (fuckin'
aliens!? lol, riiiiight... and coz just look at the damnable state of us
and our world if *they've* been guiding us??? lol fuck off with their
aliens shit! - aliens?? riiiiight... ahaha... sorry folks but there ain't
no stinkin' aliens! okaaaay? fuckin' aliens! gimmie a break!)
there IS however: Nature! which we're definitely a part of, and IS a part
of us!
and we're in direct communication with it, only we don't really wanna know >because it runs counter to all our own crappy ideas?
thus we feel, quite correctly, that something's missing from our lives,
and then dream of some kinda tooth fairy 'god' who looks after us albeit
from a great + unreachable distance... we 'intuit' the truth that Nature
is actually right there for us only we can't see it... (it's right under
our fuckin' noses and we're looking somewhere else completely??)
will we ever get back to it, to our real roots and some kinda genuine
sanity?
maybe... that is if we don't destroy everything & ourselves first in a
frenzy of self loathing and hatred because we're so estranged from Reality!
maybe... but imho this really is our last chance!
However, in a 15 billion year old universe, it's unlikely that other lifeforms would attain the same level of technology or similar as us
in the same 10000 year timeframe. Vanishingly small probablity
actually when you do the math. They have either wiped themselves out,
gone extinct for other reasons, decided to stay in their solar system,
found the distances simply too vast or the challenges to prolonged
space travel (gamma rays, cosmic rays, time dilation etc etc) have
never been surmounted.
Who knows?
there IS however: Nature! which we're definitely a part of, and IS a
part
of us!
Everything is nature and nature is everything. To the bounds of the
observable universe (several trillion galaxies in a volume around 90
billion light years in diameter) and the probable infinitude
thereafter. Our actions are nature because of this - there's no
"outside" nature. This place has been destroyed countless times over
- the Permian Extinction, the extinction of the dinosaurs, the very
very early extinctions and the biggest of all 2500 million years ago
when our atmosphere was changed by blue green algae from lovely safe
non-oxidising methane and so on to fucking OXYGEN! Killed almost
entirely the life on terra, but paved the way for multicellular
organisms which paved the way for ....
US!
### - that's certainly one way of looking at it heh (the 'rationalised'
version i mean)
only, can 'life' (and all that entails/implies) really be rationalised
in
such a manner without necessarily distorting the whole picture in the
process? any attempt to squeeze infinity into a box (no matter how big
that box) in order to examine it reducing it to something less than
infinity every time?
Look up the term "aleph null" some time. A guy called Cantor did
squeeze infinity into a "box" and then went on to define and prove
levels of infinity above simple infinity. All well proven,
reproducible science (math).
that doesn't stop us from trying though does it hah! and thus we've
ended
up with one version after another of the damn tooth fairy!
Nope, one single version of infinity - which is that the concept of
infinity is just one in an infinite series of infiniities. Nothing to
do with fairies or any of that old campfire hogwash.
that there's obviously more (a whole heap more!) to life, the universe &
everything than reason alone can account for ;)
Wouldn't you say that mathematics is the epitome of reason? Well,
there is very little that math won't account for. Even the cadence of
music, the rhythm of poetry, the structure of prose, the brushstrokes
in painting and the forms of sculptures can be accounted for, or
described, by math.
I know what you're trying to say and I'm not being condescending in
saying that you maybe should try harder to say it in a way which is
clearer. But I know what it is, I think.
and we're in direct communication with it, only we don't really wanna
know
because it runs counter to all our own crappy ideas?
thus we feel, quite correctly, that something's missing from our
lives,
and then dream of some kinda tooth fairy 'god' who looks after us
albeit
from a great + unreachable distance... we 'intuit' the truth that
Nature
is actually right there for us only we can't see it... (it's right
under
our fuckin' noses and we're looking somewhere else completely??)
will we ever get back to it, to our real roots and some kinda genuine
sanity?
maybe... that is if we don't destroy everything & ourselves first in a >>>> frenzy of self loathing and hatred because we're so estranged from
Reality!
maybe... but imho this really is our last chance!
What chance? Nature is purely cold equations and trigger events and
if we don't make it, we don't make it. That's life/nature.
### - our civilisations have, in that sense, been one experiment after
the
other, all of which to date have failed for one reason or another... our
civilisation being the 23rd (that we know about) in a long succession of
such civilisations, the odds thus being currently 22 to 1 against ours
will be any more successful? (it's kinda like a tree that only grows up
a
wall so far before it becomes top-heavy and falls over every time kinda
thing, and this is it's 23rd attempt!)
Where did you get that number from? I'm intrigued.
We're no big deal. Undoubtedly in all of those trillions of galaxies
each with huncreds of billions of suns and uncountable trillions of
planets, there is teeming life and some WILL make it.
### - true! our whole planet is just a single mote of cosmic dust with a
bunch of obscure germs growing on it lol (like fleas on a dog! haha!)
Far denser than fleas on a dog. Try the grains of sand on all the
beaches in the world a million times over - that's probably a good
start, unless the whole shebang is infinite, in which case it's not
even a start.
‘Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.’
Liber AL vel Legis, sub figura CCXX,
as delivered by XCIII=418 to DCLXVI
Aleister Crowley, Cairo, 1904
### - you 'do' understand that he (crowley) was a complete loon with a
huge chip on his shoulder, don't you thang?
I like this saying because it's libertarian. I don't ascribe to 19th
century theology and mysticism but I do understand that he had more
women in bed than can be good for one's health :)
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