This is why Trump may be re-elected. He does not like this treasonous
shite and he has hit a raw nerve. Chinese fucking thieves.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00291-2
I hope they hang and quarter this guy.
On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 11:41:47 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
This is why Trump may be re-elected. He does not like this treasonous
shite and he has hit a raw nerve. Chinese fucking thieves.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00291-2
I hope they hang and quarter this guy.
### - oh they probably will lol, quite publicly! :)))
but in truth he's likely only an idealist, one who perhaps naively
believes that the only way to forestall the end of the world via some >horrible technological war is by no one nation having a technological >advantage over any other nation (the very basis of the 'mutually assured >destruction' (MAD) treaty that time for example...)
as it is, it's like stalin is back in the world again unleashing 'the
terror' that eventually resulted in all dissenters & traitors being >eliminated one by one until only loyal + obsequious yes-men remained
perforce burning all the literature to the contrary comes next, and then >where will we be??
back in the dark ages lol :)))
On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 12:53:04 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 11:41:47 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
This is why Trump may be re-elected. He does not like this treasonous
shite and he has hit a raw nerve. Chinese fucking thieves.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00291-2
I hope they hang and quarter this guy.
### - oh they probably will lol, quite publicly! :)))
but in truth he's likely only an idealist, one who perhaps naively
believes that the only way to forestall the end of the world via some
horrible technological war is by no one nation having a technological
advantage over any other nation (the very basis of the 'mutually assured
destruction' (MAD) treaty that time for example...)
Did you read it? He's a nanoscientist working in medicine etc not
some Dr Strangelove. He's not an idealist either, he's being paid by
the Chinese Communist Party (the single totalitarian "government" the
ChiComs have had since Mao won the war). He's a venal, greedy person
who probably thinks the west doesn't pay him enough or doesn't treat
him like the god he is. So, he's a traitor to the west, simple as
that.
as it is, it's like stalin is back in the world again unleashing 'the
terror' that eventually resulted in all dissenters & traitors being
eliminated one by one until only loyal + obsequious yes-men remained
What has that got to do with this traitor? I can't see the
relativity...
perforce burning all the literature to the contrary comes next, and then
where will we be??
What? Hey, I'm staying here so far in the hope that we can engage in
normal discourse where one side listens to the other and agrees or
disagrees based on evidence.
You too?
back in the dark ages lol :)))
Nothing to do with this traitor. Can't see the connection.
On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 06:36:34 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 12:53:04 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 11:41:47 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
This is why Trump may be re-elected. He does not like this treasonous >>>> shite and he has hit a raw nerve. Chinese fucking thieves.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00291-2
I hope they hang and quarter this guy.
### - oh they probably will lol, quite publicly! :)))
but in truth he's likely only an idealist, one who perhaps naively
believes that the only way to forestall the end of the world via some
horrible technological war is by no one nation having a technological
advantage over any other nation (the very basis of the 'mutually assured >>> destruction' (MAD) treaty that time for example...)
Did you read it? He's a nanoscientist working in medicine etc not
some Dr Strangelove. He's not an idealist either, he's being paid by
the Chinese Communist Party (the single totalitarian "government" the
ChiComs have had since Mao won the war). He's a venal, greedy person
who probably thinks the west doesn't pay him enough or doesn't treat
him like the god he is. So, he's a traitor to the west, simple as
that.
### - i guess am saying/suggesting that it's prolly only part of the >anti-chinese hysteria & hatred movement trumpy is currently trying to stir
up McCarthy-era-style? i.e., the US right-wing always like to have a
common enemy to force-unite their people under & against, whether this be
the muslims, the russians, the blacks, and now the chinese... iow: it's >george orwell's 'hate-hour' (in his book '1984') for example... and now
here they are throwing this one (an intellectual) to the dogs to help
create & maintain that same climate of hatred against some one other >nation...
thus:
as it is, it's like stalin is back in the world again unleashing 'the
terror' that eventually resulted in all dissenters & traitors being
eliminated one by one until only loyal + obsequious yes-men remained
What has that got to do with this traitor? I can't see the
relativity...
### - am continuing in the same anti-whatever vein, that once in power
stalin (meaning trumpy) let-loose 'the terror' that resulted in everyone >denouncing everyone else at home until only arse-lickers surrounding him >remained... we've had the 'reds under the bed' threat before and now it's
the chinese communists under our beds we should all be scared of now kinda >thing... thus the call goes out: beware the traitors in our midst!
perforce burning all the literature to the contrary comes next, and then >>> where will we be??
What? Hey, I'm staying here so far in the hope that we can engage in
normal discourse where one side listens to the other and agrees or
disagrees based on evidence.
You too?
### - yes, of course, and am just saying/continuing (rather cynically i >suppose) that what usually comes next is then the destruction of anything >(i.e., any literature) that doesn't support the right-wing ethos... that >according to trumpy 'everyone' on the left is now a communist extremist
who wants to destroy their country etc etc bs... an example of this being >trumpy's recent attempt at the re-writing of black history as part of his >'maga' campaign, which he says is a left-wing plot to undermine american >history and greatness etc...
back in the dark ages lol :)))
Nothing to do with this traitor. Can't see the connection.
### - my fault perhaps for jumping to blaming trumpy by comparing him to >stalin and what stalin then did to do everything he could to 'remain' in >power... and because this is what the right-wing always does to eliminate
the competition by demonising them... that they prolly knew about this >nano-dude all along but now's a good time to make an example of him as
part of the anti-chinese build-up: we've caught one! (a traitor) and
there'll be more to follow! now who's next??
that there are very clear parallels between what stalin did to remain in >power and what thumpy's now doing to remain in power, this scientist-dude >being held-up as a graphic example of what's going on right under our
moses and that has to be eliminated in order to make america great again
etc etc...
i mean, i dunno who this scientist dude really is and could actually care >less, it just seems very timely with the current anti-chinese climate he's >trying to stir up is all, everyone systematically being forced to assert >their political intentions when scientists are supposed to be objectively >A-political... in which case i don't trust it! (nano-dude may or may not >actually be a traitor, but once you start using terms 'like' traitor it's
a slippery-slope down back into the dark ages again... and that's why i
don't trust it...)
On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 08:02:48 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 06:36:34 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 12:53:04 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 11:41:47 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
This is why Trump may be re-elected. He does not like this
treasonous
shite and he has hit a raw nerve. Chinese fucking thieves.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00291-2
I hope they hang and quarter this guy.
### - oh they probably will lol, quite publicly! :)))
but in truth he's likely only an idealist, one who perhaps naively
believes that the only way to forestall the end of the world via some
horrible technological war is by no one nation having a technological
advantage over any other nation (the very basis of the 'mutually
assured
destruction' (MAD) treaty that time for example...)
Did you read it? He's a nanoscientist working in medicine etc not
some Dr Strangelove. He's not an idealist either, he's being paid by
the Chinese Communist Party (the single totalitarian "government" the
ChiComs have had since Mao won the war). He's a venal, greedy person
who probably thinks the west doesn't pay him enough or doesn't treat
him like the god he is. So, he's a traitor to the west, simple as
that.
### - i guess am saying/suggesting that it's prolly only part of the
anti-chinese hysteria & hatred movement trumpy is currently trying to
stir
up McCarthy-era-style? i.e., the US right-wing always like to have a
common enemy to force-unite their people under & against, whether this
be
the muslims, the russians, the blacks, and now the chinese... iow: it's
george orwell's 'hate-hour' (in his book '1984') for example... and now
here they are throwing this one (an intellectual) to the dogs to help
create & maintain that same climate of hatred against some one other
nation...
The Chinese totalitarian monobloc *is* the bogeyman for most of east
asia, southeast asia, south asia, India and plenty of others including
the US. Practically 2 billioin people led by one man and one party
since 1945 in comparison with democracies like Australia, UK, most of
Europe, the US and a lot of asian countries - now they are practicing
some sort of genocide against Uighurs and others, facial recognition everywhere, censorship so vast it boggles the mind.
This ain't "anti-chinese hysteria" mate, this is the real deal, war
within several years and a big one which will shake the world of men
to its foundations. These pricks are the Nazis of our time.
And anyone in the West who takes the money and betrays democracy (yep) deserves to be hung drawn and quartered.
thus:
as it is, it's like stalin is back in the world again unleashing 'the
terror' that eventually resulted in all dissenters & traitors being
eliminated one by one until only loyal + obsequious yes-men remained
What has that got to do with this traitor? I can't see the
relativity...
### - am continuing in the same anti-whatever vein, that once in power
stalin (meaning trumpy) let-loose 'the terror' that resulted in everyone
denouncing everyone else at home until only arse-lickers surrounding him
remained... we've had the 'reds under the bed' threat before and now
it's
the chinese communists under our beds we should all be scared of now
kinda
thing... thus the call goes out: beware the traitors in our midst!
Stalin and Trump aren't really comparable due to polarised ideologies
- far right (more like Hitler and Mussolini) Trump -v- far left Stalin
(now xi jinping or whatever the fuck this cunt's name is).
You sound cynical but this really is a west/east clash, except it's
not the Russkies we should be concerned about.
perforce burning all the literature to the contrary comes next, and
then
where will we be??
What? Hey, I'm staying here so far in the hope that we can engage in
normal discourse where one side listens to the other and agrees or
disagrees based on evidence.
You too?
### - yes, of course, and am just saying/continuing (rather cynically i
suppose) that what usually comes next is then the destruction of
anything
(i.e., any literature) that doesn't support the right-wing ethos... that
according to trumpy 'everyone' on the left is now a communist extremist
who wants to destroy their country etc etc bs... an example of this
being
trumpy's recent attempt at the re-writing of black history as part of
his
'maga' campaign, which he says is a left-wing plot to undermine american
history and greatness etc...
No, that's what's happening in China. There's a lot of secrecy and so
on in the West but nothing compared to the ChiComs.
Trump sounds like Adolf. Both found enemies in the left (for Hitler,
it was the bolsheviks) and both stirred the pot with racial hatred -
for Hitler, the Jews, for Trump, the blacks and hispanics (those
"shithole" coutries as he called them in his inimitable style).
back in the dark ages lol :)))
Nothing to do with this traitor. Can't see the connection.
### - my fault perhaps for jumping to blaming trumpy by comparing him to
stalin and what stalin then did to do everything he could to 'remain' in
power... and because this is what the right-wing always does to
eliminate
the competition by demonising them... that they prolly knew about this
nano-dude all along but now's a good time to make an example of him as
part of the anti-chinese build-up: we've caught one! (a traitor) and
there'll be more to follow! now who's next??
that there are very clear parallels between what stalin did to remain in
power and what thumpy's now doing to remain in power, this
scientist-dude
being held-up as a graphic example of what's going on right under our
moses and that has to be eliminated in order to make america great again
etc etc...
i mean, i dunno who this scientist dude really is and could actually
care
less, it just seems very timely with the current anti-chinese climate
he's
trying to stir up is all, everyone systematically being forced to assert
their political intentions when scientists are supposed to be
objectively
A-political... in which case i don't trust it! (nano-dude may or may not
actually be a traitor, but once you start using terms 'like' traitor
it's
a slippery-slope down back into the dark ages again... and that's why i
don't trust it...)
China has one big achilles heel. It is decades behind the US in
design and manufacture of very sophisticated silicon chiips and they
depend on imports from the US, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan who are
all more successful in this area.
Now the US is starting to strangle the ChiCom ability to purchase
these chips. That is a very big weakness indeed.
On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 15:55:06 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 08:02:48 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 06:36:34 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 12:53:04 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 11:41:47 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
This is why Trump may be re-elected. He does not like this
treasonous
shite and he has hit a raw nerve. Chinese fucking thieves.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00291-2
I hope they hang and quarter this guy.
### - oh they probably will lol, quite publicly! :)))
but in truth he's likely only an idealist, one who perhaps naively
believes that the only way to forestall the end of the world via some >>>>> horrible technological war is by no one nation having a technological >>>>> advantage over any other nation (the very basis of the 'mutually
assured
destruction' (MAD) treaty that time for example...)
Did you read it? He's a nanoscientist working in medicine etc not
some Dr Strangelove. He's not an idealist either, he's being paid by
the Chinese Communist Party (the single totalitarian "government" the
ChiComs have had since Mao won the war). He's a venal, greedy person
who probably thinks the west doesn't pay him enough or doesn't treat
him like the god he is. So, he's a traitor to the west, simple as
that.
### - i guess am saying/suggesting that it's prolly only part of the
anti-chinese hysteria & hatred movement trumpy is currently trying to
stir
up McCarthy-era-style? i.e., the US right-wing always like to have a
common enemy to force-unite their people under & against, whether this
be
the muslims, the russians, the blacks, and now the chinese... iow: it's
george orwell's 'hate-hour' (in his book '1984') for example... and now
here they are throwing this one (an intellectual) to the dogs to help
create & maintain that same climate of hatred against some one other
nation...
The Chinese totalitarian monobloc *is* the bogeyman for most of east
asia, southeast asia, south asia, India and plenty of others including
the US. Practically 2 billioin people led by one man and one party
since 1945 in comparison with democracies like Australia, UK, most of
Europe, the US and a lot of asian countries - now they are practicing
some sort of genocide against Uighurs and others, facial recognition
everywhere, censorship so vast it boggles the mind.
### - it's true, that just left to their own devices they're gonna >financially outgrow the rest of the planet and end up being the world's >biggest economy bar none... they don't have to do anything other than just >carry on doing what they're doing!
This ain't "anti-chinese hysteria" mate, this is the real deal, war
within several years and a big one which will shake the world of men
to its foundations. These pricks are the Nazis of our time.
### - quite possibly, but only because *we'll* start it in an effort to
stop them eventually owning everything at just their current rate of
growth, thus we've been winding them up and taunting them + have started a >trade war with them & are accusing them of things & demonising them, we're >the one's making all the moves against them and they haven't even really >started fighting back yet! (they don't actually have to do anything new >except just keep growing at their current rate and they'll win! and that's >why we're making all these nefarious moves against them...)
And anyone in the West who takes the money and betrays democracy (yep)
deserves to be hung drawn and quartered.
### - well we've undoubtedly got our spies in their country too? (we're
not exactly innocent in that dept i mean...) it cuts both ways...
thus:
as it is, it's like stalin is back in the world again unleashing 'the >>>>> terror' that eventually resulted in all dissenters & traitors being
eliminated one by one until only loyal + obsequious yes-men remained
What has that got to do with this traitor? I can't see the
relativity...
### - am continuing in the same anti-whatever vein, that once in power
stalin (meaning trumpy) let-loose 'the terror' that resulted in everyone >>> denouncing everyone else at home until only arse-lickers surrounding him >>> remained... we've had the 'reds under the bed' threat before and now
it's
the chinese communists under our beds we should all be scared of now
kinda
thing... thus the call goes out: beware the traitors in our midst!
Stalin and Trump aren't really comparable due to polarised ideologies
- far right (more like Hitler and Mussolini) Trump -v- far left Stalin
(now xi jinping or whatever the fuck this cunt's name is).
### - going too far to either the left or the right always ends up in the >same thing: dictatorships!
this is why their methods at the extremes are often interchangeable + why >trumpy is able to employ stalin's (or even hitlers) methods to the same >effect: total control!
You sound cynical but this really is a west/east clash, except it's
not the Russkies we should be concerned about.
### - agreed, the ruskies actually just wanna be left alone to adopt a >neutral position, and because, again, it's us who're pressuring them
rather than the other way around...
perforce burning all the literature to the contrary comes next, and
then
where will we be??
What? Hey, I'm staying here so far in the hope that we can engage in
normal discourse where one side listens to the other and agrees or
disagrees based on evidence.
You too?
### - yes, of course, and am just saying/continuing (rather cynically i
suppose) that what usually comes next is then the destruction of
anything
(i.e., any literature) that doesn't support the right-wing ethos... that >>> according to trumpy 'everyone' on the left is now a communist extremist
who wants to destroy their country etc etc bs... an example of this
being
trumpy's recent attempt at the re-writing of black history as part of
his
'maga' campaign, which he says is a left-wing plot to undermine american >>> history and greatness etc...
No, that's what's happening in China. There's a lot of secrecy and so
on in the West but nothing compared to the ChiComs.
### - make no mistake; trumpy is far-right! and part of his agenda is thus
to destroy the left wing altogether by hook or by crook! you can see this
in everything he does...
Trump sounds like Adolf. Both found enemies in the left (for Hitler,
it was the bolsheviks) and both stirred the pot with racial hatred -
for Hitler, the Jews, for Trump, the blacks and hispanics (those
"shithole" coutries as he called them in his inimitable style).
### - that's exactly what am talking about... both of them had/have
designs on world domination and that's what ultimately causes all the
trouble and wars...
'extremism' is thus the real enemy in that sense! and is to be avoided at
all costs! draw back from that some though and that's precisely where >dialogue & negotiation begins: the only thing that can possibly save the >world!
back in the dark ages lol :)))
Nothing to do with this traitor. Can't see the connection.
### - my fault perhaps for jumping to blaming trumpy by comparing him to >>> stalin and what stalin then did to do everything he could to 'remain' in >>> power... and because this is what the right-wing always does to
eliminate
the competition by demonising them... that they prolly knew about this
nano-dude all along but now's a good time to make an example of him as
part of the anti-chinese build-up: we've caught one! (a traitor) and
there'll be more to follow! now who's next??
that there are very clear parallels between what stalin did to remain in >>> power and what thumpy's now doing to remain in power, this
scientist-dude
being held-up as a graphic example of what's going on right under our
moses and that has to be eliminated in order to make america great again >>> etc etc...
i mean, i dunno who this scientist dude really is and could actually
care
less, it just seems very timely with the current anti-chinese climate
he's
trying to stir up is all, everyone systematically being forced to assert >>> their political intentions when scientists are supposed to be
objectively
A-political... in which case i don't trust it! (nano-dude may or may not >>> actually be a traitor, but once you start using terms 'like' traitor
it's
a slippery-slope down back into the dark ages again... and that's why i
don't trust it...)
China has one big achilles heel. It is decades behind the US in
design and manufacture of very sophisticated silicon chiips and they
depend on imports from the US, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan who are
all more successful in this area.
Now the US is starting to strangle the ChiCom ability to purchase
these chips. That is a very big weakness indeed.
### - agreed, but they're catching up real fast! and that's a big-big
problem for the west...
i mean, how many 'trillions' of american debt does china currently hold
for example? lol
in another 30 or 50 years they'll just call in the debt and own america!
thus war with them is inevitable unless the west can change its world >domination agenda to something else and, perhaps, persuade china to do >something similar? (why can't we all just get along?? hah!)
else they're quite content to just keep growing and growing while western >economies shrink away, they don't 'need' to start a war except in defense
of their sovereign rights!
problem is, with china we're treading on the tail of a tiger lol, and who >knows when one of those things will finally lose its temper and take a
swipe at what's been irritating it for so long huh...
a war with china is just not viable, no one could possibly win a war of
that magnitude, everyone would lose! lose everything! so it's not an
option, that is unless one is totally insane and/or suicidal hah!
with all the resources running out we actually need to learn to share?
and if humanity ain't BIG enough to do that... well...
we all know what follows...
This is why Trump may be re-elected. He does not like this
treasonous
shite and he has hit a raw nerve. Chinese fucking thieves.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00291-2
I hope they hang and quarter this guy.
### - oh they probably will lol, quite publicly! :)))
but in truth he's likely only an idealist, one who perhaps naively >>>>>> believes that the only way to forestall the end of the world via
some
horrible technological war is by no one nation having a
technological
advantage over any other nation (the very basis of the 'mutually
assured
destruction' (MAD) treaty that time for example...)
Did you read it? He's a nanoscientist working in medicine etc not
some Dr Strangelove. He's not an idealist either, he's being paid by >>>>> the Chinese Communist Party (the single totalitarian "government" the >>>>> ChiComs have had since Mao won the war). He's a venal, greedy person >>>>> who probably thinks the west doesn't pay him enough or doesn't treat >>>>> him like the god he is. So, he's a traitor to the west, simple as
that.
### - i guess am saying/suggesting that it's prolly only part of the
anti-chinese hysteria & hatred movement trumpy is currently trying to
stir
up McCarthy-era-style? i.e., the US right-wing always like to have a
common enemy to force-unite their people under & against, whether this >>>> be
the muslims, the russians, the blacks, and now the chinese... iow:
it's
george orwell's 'hate-hour' (in his book '1984') for example... and
now
here they are throwing this one (an intellectual) to the dogs to help
create & maintain that same climate of hatred against some one other
nation...
The Chinese totalitarian monobloc *is* the bogeyman for most of east
asia, southeast asia, south asia, India and plenty of others including
the US. Practically 2 billioin people led by one man and one party
since 1945 in comparison with democracies like Australia, UK, most of
Europe, the US and a lot of asian countries - now they are practicing
some sort of genocide against Uighurs and others, facial recognition
everywhere, censorship so vast it boggles the mind.
### - it's true, that just left to their own devices they're gonna
financially outgrow the rest of the planet and end up being the world's
biggest economy bar none... they don't have to do anything other than
just
carry on doing what they're doing!
Well *that* may be true or not. However, I didn't say that above.
I spoke to current, not future, facts - totalitarian monobloc, fear
and loathing caused in Vietnam, Thailand, Japan, Australia, Taiwan, Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia etc etc etc, one man one party since
1945, comparison with 4 year turnover (approx) democracies like us,
you, the US and so on, genocide against the Uighurs, facial recog
everywhere and vast censorship.
You didn't mention any of those contemporary *facts*. Care to
discuss?
This ain't "anti-chinese hysteria" mate, this is the real deal, war
within several years and a big one which will shake the world of men
to its foundations. These pricks are the Nazis of our time.
### - quite possibly, but only because *we'll* start it in an effort to
stop them eventually owning everything at just their current rate of
growth, thus we've been winding them up and taunting them + have
started a
trade war with them & are accusing them of things & demonising them,
we're
the one's making all the moves against them and they haven't even really
started fighting back yet! (they don't actually have to do anything new
except just keep growing at their current rate and they'll win! and
that's
why we're making all these nefarious moves against them...)
We'll start it? How so? Have a look at this map:
https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/map/South-China-Sea-political-map.htm
Scroll down until you get to the 9-dash map. This claim is theft and outlandish and was found against China in a claim in the Hague (keep
reading above the map).
This is how wars start. China has no claim to this area and these
islands. Yet it has built military installations on these sandbars.
China has already started the war. The US has enough nuclear warheads
on one single Ohio class ballistic missile submarine (look that up too
if you're interested) to completely level every city in China - just
one submarine. The US will finish the war.
Care to discuss?
And anyone in the West who takes the money and betrays democracy (yep)
deserves to be hung drawn and quartered.
### - well we've undoubtedly got our spies in their country too? (we're
not exactly innocent in that dept i mean...) it cuts both ways...
Nope, it's much more difficult to emplace spies in a dictatorship than
it is to emplace them in a democracy.
Many, many more ChiCom spies in the UK, Aus, Europe, US and so on than
the reverse.
thus:
as it is, it's like stalin is back in the world again unleashingWhat has that got to do with this traitor? I can't see the
'the
terror' that eventually resulted in all dissenters & traitors being >>>>>> eliminated one by one until only loyal + obsequious yes-men remained >>>>>
relativity...
### - am continuing in the same anti-whatever vein, that once in power >>>> stalin (meaning trumpy) let-loose 'the terror' that resulted in
everyone
denouncing everyone else at home until only arse-lickers surrounding
him
remained... we've had the 'reds under the bed' threat before and now
it's
the chinese communists under our beds we should all be scared of now
kinda
thing... thus the call goes out: beware the traitors in our midst!
Stalin and Trump aren't really comparable due to polarised ideologies
- far right (more like Hitler and Mussolini) Trump -v- far left Stalin
(now xi jinping or whatever the fuck this cunt's name is).
### - going too far to either the left or the right always ends up in
the
same thing: dictatorships!
What do you call the totalitarian aristocracy in your country for most
of its history which empowered landowning aristocrats with the right
to first-rape brides on their wedding night?
Right and left wing weren't even invented in those not-too-remote
days.
this is why their methods at the extremes are often interchangeable +
why
trumpy is able to employ stalin's (or even hitlers) methods to the same
effect: total control!
Well if that's true, and that's debatable, right and left wing have
only been around since Marx & Engels distinguished communisim from the magnates of the British industrial revolution.
On second thought, Trump is nothing like Hitler. He doesn't kill with impunity like Putin, for instance.
You sound cynical but this really is a west/east clash, except it's
not the Russkies we should be concerned about.
### - agreed, the ruskies actually just wanna be left alone to adopt a
neutral position, and because, again, it's us who're pressuring them
rather than the other way around...
The Russians are impoverished even by ChiCom standards. You and I
would be long dead if we lived in Russia:
"Men in Russia have an average life expectancy of just 60 years. Life expectancy for Russian men is well below that of western European
countries like Germany, where men have an average life span of 77
years, according to World Health Organization figures."
edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/05/19/russia.health
perforce burning all the literature to the contrary comes next, and >>>>>> then
where will we be??
What? Hey, I'm staying here so far in the hope that we can engage in >>>>> normal discourse where one side listens to the other and agrees or
disagrees based on evidence.
You too?
### - yes, of course, and am just saying/continuing (rather cynically
i
suppose) that what usually comes next is then the destruction of
anything
(i.e., any literature) that doesn't support the right-wing ethos...
that
according to trumpy 'everyone' on the left is now a communist
extremist
who wants to destroy their country etc etc bs... an example of this
being
trumpy's recent attempt at the re-writing of black history as part of
his
'maga' campaign, which he says is a left-wing plot to undermine
american
history and greatness etc...
No, that's what's happening in China. There's a lot of secrecy and so
on in the West but nothing compared to the ChiComs.
### - make no mistake; trumpy is far-right! and part of his agenda is
thus
to destroy the left wing altogether by hook or by crook! you can see
this
in everything he does...
Agreed.
Trump sounds like Adolf. Both found enemies in the left (for Hitler,
it was the bolsheviks) and both stirred the pot with racial hatred -
for Hitler, the Jews, for Trump, the blacks and hispanics (those
"shithole" coutries as he called them in his inimitable style).
### - that's exactly what am talking about... both of them had/have
designs on world domination and that's what ultimately causes all the
trouble and wars...
Trump isn't concerned with global dominion. More concerned with
withdrawing the US from the world.
'extremism' is thus the real enemy in that sense! and is to be avoided
at
all costs! draw back from that some though and that's precisely where
On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 04:01:16 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
This is why Trump may be re-elected. He does not like this
treasonous
shite and he has hit a raw nerve. Chinese fucking thieves.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00291-2
I hope they hang and quarter this guy.
### - oh they probably will lol, quite publicly! :)))
but in truth he's likely only an idealist, one who perhaps naively >>>>>>> believes that the only way to forestall the end of the world via >>>>>>> some
horrible technological war is by no one nation having a
technological
advantage over any other nation (the very basis of the 'mutually >>>>>>> assured
destruction' (MAD) treaty that time for example...)
Did you read it? He's a nanoscientist working in medicine etc not >>>>>> some Dr Strangelove. He's not an idealist either, he's being paid by >>>>>> the Chinese Communist Party (the single totalitarian "government" the >>>>>> ChiComs have had since Mao won the war). He's a venal, greedy person >>>>>> who probably thinks the west doesn't pay him enough or doesn't treat >>>>>> him like the god he is. So, he's a traitor to the west, simple as >>>>>> that.
### - i guess am saying/suggesting that it's prolly only part of the >>>>> anti-chinese hysteria & hatred movement trumpy is currently trying to >>>>> stir
up McCarthy-era-style? i.e., the US right-wing always like to have a >>>>> common enemy to force-unite their people under & against, whether this >>>>> be
the muslims, the russians, the blacks, and now the chinese... iow:
it's
george orwell's 'hate-hour' (in his book '1984') for example... and
now
here they are throwing this one (an intellectual) to the dogs to help >>>>> create & maintain that same climate of hatred against some one other >>>>> nation...
The Chinese totalitarian monobloc *is* the bogeyman for most of east
asia, southeast asia, south asia, India and plenty of others including >>>> the US. Practically 2 billioin people led by one man and one party
since 1945 in comparison with democracies like Australia, UK, most of
Europe, the US and a lot of asian countries - now they are practicing
some sort of genocide against Uighurs and others, facial recognition
everywhere, censorship so vast it boggles the mind.
### - it's true, that just left to their own devices they're gonna
financially outgrow the rest of the planet and end up being the world's
biggest economy bar none... they don't have to do anything other than
just
carry on doing what they're doing!
Well *that* may be true or not. However, I didn't say that above.
I spoke to current, not future, facts - totalitarian monobloc, fear
and loathing caused in Vietnam, Thailand, Japan, Australia, Taiwan,
Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia etc etc etc, one man one party since
1945, comparison with 4 year turnover (approx) democracies like us,
you, the US and so on, genocide against the Uighurs, facial recog
everywhere and vast censorship.
You didn't mention any of those contemporary *facts*. Care to
discuss?
### - no problem... but had taken most of that as just being part of the
very same demonisation of china i've mentioned?
That they're a huge nation with a very long history and perforce have
their own on-going domestic problems with various historical problems like >everyone else, hong kong being a recent addition to this in that the west
is now using this as a spearhead into undermining china's rule by trying
to inject a modicum of 'democracy' into an otherwise traditionally closed >shop, the uk doing something very similar when bombarding china from the
sea as a means to forcing them unto buying 'our' opium (laughing) instead
of their then stance of wanting to remain self sufficient, something that, >with hindsight, now seems to have been rather corrupt on the part of the >brits?
This ain't "anti-chinese hysteria" mate, this is the real deal, war
within several years and a big one which will shake the world of men
to its foundations. These pricks are the Nazis of our time.
### - quite possibly, but only because *we'll* start it in an effort to
stop them eventually owning everything at just their current rate of
growth, thus we've been winding them up and taunting them + have
started a
trade war with them & are accusing them of things & demonising them,
we're
the one's making all the moves against them and they haven't even really >>> started fighting back yet! (they don't actually have to do anything new
except just keep growing at their current rate and they'll win! and
that's
why we're making all these nefarious moves against them...)
We'll start it? How so? Have a look at this map:
https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/map/South-China-Sea-political-map.htm >>
Scroll down until you get to the 9-dash map. This claim is theft and
outlandish and was found against China in a claim in the Hague (keep
reading above the map).
This is how wars start. China has no claim to this area and these
islands. Yet it has built military installations on these sandbars.
China has already started the war. The US has enough nuclear warheads
on one single Ohio class ballistic missile submarine (look that up too
if you're interested) to completely level every city in China - just
one submarine. The US will finish the war.
Care to discuss?
### - for sure... although imho, and as mentioned in just one line of that >lengthy report, these islands & claims are really only the result of an >increasing US presence in their waters...
i.e.:
"On the other hand, it just might be a desperate measure by China to >counteract the growing presence of US military on the doorstep of its
nation in East Asia and Maritime Southeast Asia"
which is what i personally think is what's been happening & why...
that we're thus trying to 'surround' china in the same way we've currently >got russia surrounded on nearly all sides as a first step to 'containing' >the problem (a western euphemism for slowly strangling them, perforce
which they're fully aware of and are thus doing something about)
And anyone in the West who takes the money and betrays democracy (yep) >>>> deserves to be hung drawn and quartered.
### - well we've undoubtedly got our spies in their country too? (we're
not exactly innocent in that dept i mean...) it cuts both ways...
Nope, it's much more difficult to emplace spies in a dictatorship than
it is to emplace them in a democracy.
Many, many more ChiCom spies in the UK, Aus, Europe, US and so on than
the reverse.
### - it's exactly the same shit we were leveling against russia for
example really no? spies, sleepers, inside-people stealing state secrets, >iow: the same full gamut and range of nefarious and underhand activities
that the uk is expert in and which america later copied and made their own
in the form of the cia and they're associated agencies... to imagine that >china wasn't being treated the same thus seems just a bit naive?
thus:
as it is, it's like stalin is back in the world again unleashing >>>>>>> 'theWhat has that got to do with this traitor? I can't see the
terror' that eventually resulted in all dissenters & traitors being >>>>>>> eliminated one by one until only loyal + obsequious yes-men remained >>>>>>
relativity...
### - am continuing in the same anti-whatever vein, that once in power >>>>> stalin (meaning trumpy) let-loose 'the terror' that resulted in
everyone
denouncing everyone else at home until only arse-lickers surrounding >>>>> him
remained... we've had the 'reds under the bed' threat before and now >>>>> it's
the chinese communists under our beds we should all be scared of now >>>>> kinda
thing... thus the call goes out: beware the traitors in our midst!
Stalin and Trump aren't really comparable due to polarised ideologies
- far right (more like Hitler and Mussolini) Trump -v- far left Stalin >>>> (now xi jinping or whatever the fuck this cunt's name is).
### - going too far to either the left or the right always ends up in
the
same thing: dictatorships!
What do you call the totalitarian aristocracy in your country for most
of its history which empowered landowning aristocrats with the right
to first-rape brides on their wedding night?
Right and left wing weren't even invented in those not-too-remote
days.
### - i call it total shit lol, the rich landowners lording it over the >peasants at every turn because that's the way it's always traditionally
been? the modern form of which is the conservative party representing
those same wealthy 1% elite (the original owners) plus the 19% who do very >well indeed by working for them... the 'forms' have changed to more modern >ones but the original agenda remains the same (meet the new boss same as
the old boss, kinda thing)
this is why their methods at the extremes are often interchangeable +
why
trumpy is able to employ stalin's (or even hitlers) methods to the same
effect: total control!
Well if that's true, and that's debatable, right and left wing have
only been around since Marx & Engels distinguished communisim from the
magnates of the British industrial revolution.
### - as i say: modern forms only of the same old same old, the left-wing >only originally coming into existence in defense of the lower working
class by bargaining/demanding better working conditions and better pay + >pensions etc etc... their roots first appearing with the Luddites who
smashed the very machines that threatened to replace their jobs, to the
point that negotiations then ensued with those owners via an increasingly >organised group of those workers we now call the left-wing, only things
like unions being able to put pressure on those owners for better
conditions etc...
On second thought, Trump is nothing like Hitler. He doesn't kill with
impunity like Putin, for instance.
### - so sending out a death squad to kill iran's general soleimani wasn't
a clear example of that then? and/or the previous domestic shootings of >martin luthor king, malcomb x plus a whole host of others too by previous >presidents?
the far right are always the same thang, their base-agenda doesn't change
at all, they have only the same one aim/goal all along: to dominate the
lower 80% because that's traditionally what those 1% have always done... >perforce they resent the left that seeks to thwart them, to negotiate for >better conditions and pay etc...
This is why Trump may be re-elected. He does not like this
treasonous
shite and he has hit a raw nerve. Chinese fucking thieves.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00291-2
I hope they hang and quarter this guy.
### - oh they probably will lol, quite publicly! :)))
but in truth he's likely only an idealist, one who perhaps naively >>>>>>>> believes that the only way to forestall the end of the world via >>>>>>>> some
horrible technological war is by no one nation having a
technological
advantage over any other nation (the very basis of the 'mutually >>>>>>>> assured
destruction' (MAD) treaty that time for example...)
Did you read it? He's a nanoscientist working in medicine etc not >>>>>>> some Dr Strangelove. He's not an idealist either, he's being paid >>>>>>> by
the Chinese Communist Party (the single totalitarian "government" >>>>>>> the
ChiComs have had since Mao won the war). He's a venal, greedy
person
who probably thinks the west doesn't pay him enough or doesn't
treat
him like the god he is. So, he's a traitor to the west, simple as >>>>>>> that.
### - i guess am saying/suggesting that it's prolly only part of the >>>>>> anti-chinese hysteria & hatred movement trumpy is currently trying >>>>>> to
stir
up McCarthy-era-style? i.e., the US right-wing always like to have a >>>>>> common enemy to force-unite their people under & against, whether
this
be
the muslims, the russians, the blacks, and now the chinese... iow: >>>>>> it's
george orwell's 'hate-hour' (in his book '1984') for example... and >>>>>> now
here they are throwing this one (an intellectual) to the dogs to
help
create & maintain that same climate of hatred against some one other >>>>>> nation...
The Chinese totalitarian monobloc *is* the bogeyman for most of east >>>>> asia, southeast asia, south asia, India and plenty of others
including
the US. Practically 2 billioin people led by one man and one party
since 1945 in comparison with democracies like Australia, UK, most of >>>>> Europe, the US and a lot of asian countries - now they are practicing >>>>> some sort of genocide against Uighurs and others, facial recognition >>>>> everywhere, censorship so vast it boggles the mind.
### - it's true, that just left to their own devices they're gonna
financially outgrow the rest of the planet and end up being the
world's
biggest economy bar none... they don't have to do anything other than
just
carry on doing what they're doing!
Well *that* may be true or not. However, I didn't say that above.
I spoke to current, not future, facts - totalitarian monobloc, fear
and loathing caused in Vietnam, Thailand, Japan, Australia, Taiwan,
Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia etc etc etc, one man one party since
1945, comparison with 4 year turnover (approx) democracies like us,
you, the US and so on, genocide against the Uighurs, facial recog
everywhere and vast censorship.
You didn't mention any of those contemporary *facts*. Care to
discuss?
### - no problem... but had taken most of that as just being part of the
very same demonisation of china i've mentioned?
That they're a huge nation with a very long history and perforce have
their own on-going domestic problems with various historical problems
like
everyone else, hong kong being a recent addition to this in that the
west
is now using this as a spearhead into undermining china's rule by trying
to inject a modicum of 'democracy' into an otherwise traditionally
closed
shop, the uk doing something very similar when bombarding china from the
sea as a means to forcing them unto buying 'our' opium (laughing)
instead
of their then stance of wanting to remain self sufficient, something
that,
with hindsight, now seems to have been rather corrupt on the part of the
brits?
But like it or not, democracy is the best humanity can do at this
point in our evolution. The Chicom alternative stinks. Genocide,
forced re-education, the crimes against Tibetans, the South China Sea takeover, bullying of smaller nations, autocracy/dictatorship, making
shit products without decent warranty and selling same crap all over
the world (lol - been stung there a few times myself), commercial
dishonesty - and in my travelling days, Chinese travellers were
literally the worst behaved barbarians I have ever seen (Russians come second) - hawking and spitting in airports, loud belligerent noise etc
etc. They are fucking cunts and no anglo saxon should defend them.
Fuck them :)
This ain't "anti-chinese hysteria" mate, this is the real deal, war
within several years and a big one which will shake the world of men >>>>> to its foundations. These pricks are the Nazis of our time.
### - quite possibly, but only because *we'll* start it in an effort
to
stop them eventually owning everything at just their current rate of
growth, thus we've been winding them up and taunting them + have
started a
trade war with them & are accusing them of things & demonising them,
we're
the one's making all the moves against them and they haven't even
really
started fighting back yet! (they don't actually have to do anything
new
except just keep growing at their current rate and they'll win! and
that's
why we're making all these nefarious moves against them...)
We'll start it? How so? Have a look at this map:
https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/map/South-China-Sea-political-map.htm
Scroll down until you get to the 9-dash map. This claim is theft and
outlandish and was found against China in a claim in the Hague (keep
reading above the map).
This is how wars start. China has no claim to this area and these
islands. Yet it has built military installations on these sandbars.
China has already started the war. The US has enough nuclear warheads
on one single Ohio class ballistic missile submarine (look that up too
if you're interested) to completely level every city in China - just
one submarine. The US will finish the war.
Care to discuss?
### - for sure... although imho, and as mentioned in just one line of
that
lengthy report, these islands & claims are really only the result of an
increasing US presence in their waters...
Well hang on, the Hague ruled that the Chinese actions were illegal.
That's a fact regardless of ostensibly why they are doing it. Find a
legal non-bullying way to respond to what they percieve to be the US
actions. Don't steal.
And don't make excuses.
i.e.:
"On the other hand, it just might be a desperate measure by China to
counteract the growing presence of US military on the doorstep of its
nation in East Asia and Maritime Southeast Asia"
which is what i personally think is what's been happening & why...
that we're thus trying to 'surround' china in the same way we've
currently
got russia surrounded on nearly all sides as a first step to
'containing'
the problem (a western euphemism for slowly strangling them, perforce
which they're fully aware of and are thus doing something about)
Russia is surrounded as you say by sovereign states. They don't fly
over Australia without permission nor the UK or Finland or the USA. We
don't overfly Russia nor does the US or the UK.
I don't get what you mean by surrounded? They are "surrounded" by
factual geography who may or may not be armed. And if the US doesn't
want to trade with them, surely that is the US's perogative?
As for China, Guam, the Philippines, Japan etc have been American
bases since the US fought and beat the Japanese occupiers in WW2. They
stayed because they had saved their arses, no other country was
powerful enough to beat the Japs. They stayed by invitation mostly.
How is that surrounding China? China needs to find a legal way to
counter it's perception, which is probably false and an excuse in any
case. Fact.
And anyone in the West who takes the money and betrays democracy
(yep)
deserves to be hung drawn and quartered.
### - well we've undoubtedly got our spies in their country too?
(we're
not exactly innocent in that dept i mean...) it cuts both ways...
Nope, it's much more difficult to emplace spies in a dictatorship than
it is to emplace them in a democracy.
Many, many more ChiCom spies in the UK, Aus, Europe, US and so on than
the reverse.
### - it's exactly the same shit we were leveling against russia for
example really no? spies, sleepers, inside-people stealing state
secrets,
iow: the same full gamut and range of nefarious and underhand activities
that the uk is expert in and which america later copied and made their
own
in the form of the cia and they're associated agencies... to imagine
that
china wasn't being treated the same thus seems just a bit naive?
It is well known that democracy has its dangers, one of which is that
it is an open society therefore easier to penetrate with espionage and
so on than closed, autocratic societies.
However, that said, spies for the US and the UK will be much better
paid in general than those for Russia and China in the US and the UK.
Higher risk, higher return.
thus:
as it is, it's like stalin is back in the world again unleashing >>>>>>>> 'the
terror' that eventually resulted in all dissenters & traitors
being
eliminated one by one until only loyal + obsequious yes-men
remained
What has that got to do with this traitor? I can't see the
relativity...
### - am continuing in the same anti-whatever vein, that once in
power
stalin (meaning trumpy) let-loose 'the terror' that resulted in
everyone
denouncing everyone else at home until only arse-lickers surrounding >>>>>> him
remained... we've had the 'reds under the bed' threat before and now >>>>>> it's
the chinese communists under our beds we should all be scared of now >>>>>> kinda
thing... thus the call goes out: beware the traitors in our midst!
Stalin and Trump aren't really comparable due to polarised ideologies >>>>> - far right (more like Hitler and Mussolini) Trump -v- far left
Stalin
(now xi jinping or whatever the fuck this cunt's name is).
### - going too far to either the left or the right always ends up in
the
same thing: dictatorships!
What do you call the totalitarian aristocracy in your country for most
of its history which empowered landowning aristocrats with the right
to first-rape brides on their wedding night?
Right and left wing weren't even invented in those not-too-remote
days.
### - i call it total shit lol, the rich landowners lording it over the
peasants at every turn because that's the way it's always traditionally
been? the modern form of which is the conservative party representing
those same wealthy 1% elite (the original owners) plus the 19% who do
very
well indeed by working for them... the 'forms' have changed to more
modern
ones but the original agenda remains the same (meet the new boss same as
the old boss, kinda thing)
Well it's communism -v- capitalism now and communism has failed almost everywhere it has taken root (Russia for instance). People have their
own interests and want to forge ahead and that's why capitalism is
popular. Communism stifles that.
this is why their methods at the extremes are often interchangeable +
why
trumpy is able to employ stalin's (or even hitlers) methods to the
same
effect: total control!
Well if that's true, and that's debatable, right and left wing have
only been around since Marx & Engels distinguished communisim from the
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