• 'It will be a much different scene!': Trump threatens protesters who wa

    From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, June 19, 2020 19:03:17
    From: slider@atashram.com

    Donald Trump appeared to threaten to order federal and local law
    enforcement officers rough up any protesters who might show up to object
    to his planned campaign rally Saturday night in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

    "Any protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters or lowlifes who are going
    to Oklahoma please understand, you will not be treated like you have been
    in New York, Seattle, or Minneapolis. It will be a much different scene!"
    the president tweeted.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/trump-twitter-tulsa-rally-election-us-2020-tweet-threat-protest-a9575586.html

    Mr Trump, who calls himself "your law-and-order president," doubled down
    with the tweet on his get-tough approach to protesters and what he and law enforcement officials say are agitators from the political left and right joining the crowds to damage businesses.

    Polls indicate Mr Trump was politically damaged after his administration,
    led by Attorney General William Barr, ordered federal police and DC
    National Guard troops to clear Lafayette Square and a nearby street just a
    half hour before his walk to St John's Church across from the White House
    for a Bible-hoisting photo op.

    One survey showed 64 per cent of Americans disapprove of his handling of
    the crisis that began with the killing of George Floyd, a black man, while
    in the custody of white police officers in Minneapolis. Even slight
    majorities of GOP voters have objected to his response.

    A new Fox poll showed just over 60 per cent of those surveyed disapprove
    of the president's handling of race relations.

    Mr Trump's threatening tweet came less than 24 hours after Oklahoma's
    governor sat near the president at the White House and declared the Tulsa
    event will be "safe."

    "it's just going to be amazing, okay?" said Kevin Stitt, a Republican. "Oklahoma is ready for your visit. It's going to be safe. And we're
    really, really excited."

    The president, a TV reality show host prior to joining the 2016
    presidential race who still talks about ratings, might have been bluffing.
    The tweet might have been intended to gin up interest in the evening rally.

    He and his campaign team have spent much of the week boasting that the
    event has spawned 800,000 to 1m ticket requests. It will mark the
    president's return to the campaign trail, his first rally since March.

    “It's going to be a hell of a night," Mr Trump promised earlier this week
    in a Wall Street Journal interview.

    ### - this is a potential PR disaster! 'coz things could go very wrong
    indeed here?

    trumpy effectively throwing down the gauntlet to any would-be protesters
    by using threats of violence to suppress them if they should 'dare'
    show-up to rain on his parade?? (go on i dare ya's! kinda thing? see what
    you get!)

    and 'coz if they do, and it 'does' turn into a press-disaster too, then
    how's THAT gonna look on his campaign trail? his unwitting message to protesters thus being one of don't turn up unless you turn up in vast
    numbers?? which they might very well do seeing as he's pointed that out!
    he blames the far right for committing violence and then threatens similar violence of his own thus revealing his own far-right sympathies and/or affiliations??

    or does mr-t perhaps 'want' a civil war in america do ya think?

    one wouldn't imagine so with so very much at stake, but you really can't
    treat your own citizens like they're north korea or iran either?

    it's lurching towards civil war!

    and the way to avoid it is to put AWAY all the guns and clubs and threats
    of violence!

    to not let that become the 'only' option! to stop all this now before it
    gets that far!

    and because if you're genuinely worried about buildings & businesses and
    shit as you say, then please realise that there wont be anything left of
    those at all if it goes as far as civil war??

    (wont BE any election either if there's a civil war huh, so could that now
    be his plan?)

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  • From luckyrat@1:229/2 to All on Friday, June 19, 2020 14:39:32
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    tweety sez:

    "Any protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters or lowlifes who are going
    to Oklahoma please understand, you will not be treated like you have been
    in New York, Seattle, or Minneapolis. It will be a much different scene!"
    the president tweeted.

    interesting how he lumps protesters and lowlifes in the same sentence here.
    all around general dirtbag types, douchers, pain-in-the-asses type etc etc.
    i guess "we'll see what happens" won't we? never a dull moment in
    Amerika. Just make sure by Sunday (Father's Day) all this shit is sorted
    out. It's mad enough we don't get to watch NBA Final's for basketball.
    Son of a bitch, this has been tradition for over 50 years.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, June 19, 2020 23:20:31
    From: slider@anashram.com

    tweety sez:

    "Any protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters or lowlifes who are
    going
    to Oklahoma please understand, you will not be treated like you have
    been
    in New York, Seattle, or Minneapolis. It will be a much different
    scene!"
    the president tweeted.

    interesting how he lumps protesters and lowlifes in the same sentence
    here.
    all around general dirtbag types, douchers, pain-in-the-asses type etc
    etc.

    ### - i thought exactly the same thing, a process of demonisation to lump perfectly acceptable + legal protesters in with low lives & looters in the minds of the public eye etc, and then no one will mind too much if/when
    they all gets maltreated see? they were only malcontents & looters!



    i guess "we'll see what happens" won't we? never a dull moment in Amerika. Just make sure by Sunday (Father's Day) all this shit is
    sorted
    out. It's mad enough we don't get to watch NBA Final's for basketball.
    Son of a bitch, this has been tradition for over 50 years.

    ### - methinks we's gonna be seeing a lot of 'traditional' things getting
    the chop from now on heh, most of 'em just gots to go coz they's holding
    us all back, others we'll prolly keep (like sports) for the element of
    public control they afford all those slaves (we're all slaves remember) collectively letting-off steam at the weekends in a harmless enough + controlled manner ;)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, June 20, 2020 01:01:06
    From: slider@anashram.com

    Brenda Alford stood at the spot where her grandfather’s business was
    burned to the ground.
    Why is Trump's comeback rally in Tulsa: the site of a massacre?

    It was 99 years ago, on 31 May 1921, when a horde of white people in the
    city of Tulsa, Oklahoma raided the prospering black neighbourhood of
    Greenwood, firing indiscriminately on hundreds of black civilians and
    torching the businesses, homes, hotels, churches and cinemas in what was
    then known as “Black Wall Street”. It was an episode of white supremacist terror that has haunted this city ever since.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/19/tulsa-oklahoma-white-supremacist-massacre-trump-rally

    “I do not feel anger,” Alford said, her feet inches from a black plaque, embedded in the concrete to mark the place where her grandfather’s shoe
    store “Nails Brothers Shoes” once stood. Now there is just an empty lot that sits in front of a highway. “Because of the positivity they [my grandparents] instilled in us growing up… they had every reason to be
    angry, to raise us to be negative people. But they didn’t.”

    Alford had not known about the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre until later in
    life, after both her grandparents had passed away. But she heard fragments
    of their memories; from her grandmother describing how she hid under a
    church “for some reason”, to other elders pointing to a local cemetery as the place “they” dumped the bodies. But descriptions of the massacre
    itself were never forthcoming.

    Most of those black bodies, up to 300 people murdered in one of the most horrific single acts of racist violence in American history, have never
    been found. Alford now chairs the local committee overseeing the search
    for them. But as the coronavirus pandemic struck the United States in
    early March, meticulously negotiated plans to excavate at a local cemetery
    were put on indefinite hold.

    Alford’s family did return and attempted to rebuild. But looking at Tulsa now, beyond Greenwood’s black plaques in the concrete, its brightly
    coloured murals and ornate memorial parks, the economic legacy of the
    massacre and decades of disenfranchisement in the aftermath is an
    inescapable reality.

    Tulsa is a hyper segregated city, where Greenwood now marks the borderline between the poorer northern section, that is mostly black, and the most prosperous southern sections, which are mostly white. 34% of black people
    here live in poverty, compared with 13% of white people, according to
    Human Rights Watch. African Americans are more than twice as likely to be arrested than white people.

    ‘Don’t come on this weekend and interrupt one of the most sacred holidays for black people in this state’

    The city continues to endure the pandemic, as Covid-19 cases in Oklahoma
    begin to surge once more. But while the search for these victims of the massacre is postponed by the virus, it has not prevented Donald Trump from visiting Tulsa.

    The Trump campaign is scheduled to hold its first rally since the
    coronavirus pandemic struck on Saturday, a day after the nation marks “Juneteenth” to commemorate the emancipation of slaves in Texas (slavery was not abolished nationwide until the 13th amendment was passed later in
    the year). And the rally comes as the country continues to grapple with a renewed call for police reform in the wake of George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis, and just a few weeks after the 99th anniversary of the Tulsa Massacre.

    The decision to hold a rally here has outraged many in the African
    American community. It has seen some of those associated with bipartisan efforts to enshrine the history and lessons of the Tulsa massacre into
    popular consciousness, speaking out in frustration.

    “I think his actions speak for themselves,” said Oklahoma state senator Kevin Matthews, chair of the Tulsa Race Massacre Centennial Commission and
    one of only two African American senators in the state. “If it were an accident then you could correct that. If you didn’t intend it, then don’t come on this weekend and interrupt one of the most sacred holidays for
    black people in this state … it’s purposeful when you plan for people and not with them.”

    “If you are an elected official for everyone, and if you respect us – then listen to us,” he said.
    No black American was ever compensated for their losses. No white American
    was ever charged

    The massacre of 1921 occurred at the height of Jim Crow racial segregation
    in the deep south and midwestern United States. It was sparked by clashes between a white lynch mob that formed outside Tulsa’s county jail
    demanding custody of a 19-year-old African American named Dick Rowland – falsely accused of sexually assaulting a young white woman – and a small group of armed black people who came to defend him. It quickly descended
    into nearly 24 hours of bloody chaos, where a thriving community of around 10,000 black people saw their lives and livelihoods destroyed by
    conscripted whites acting on behalf of the state.

    No black American was ever compensated for their losses. No white American
    was ever charged over the incident. It was referred to as a “race riot” rather than a massacre until last decade.

    “To have to lose everything the way they did,” said Brenda Alford, “and not to receive any restitution for it, was a situation that was horrible.
    They lost their economic base and it was never replaced.”

    State-based brutality against black residents continues to this day, with
    many noting the parallels between past and present.

    In May 2015, an unarmed 44-year-old African American man named Eric Harris
    was shot and killed by a white reserve sheriff’s deputy, Robert Bates.
    Bates, who was 73, was an untrained volunteer allowed to participate in an undercover sting and claimed he accidentally shot Harris after firing his personal revolver instead of a taser.

    Body camera footage captured Harris’s last moments. As he writhed in pain
    and complained he was losing his breath, another officer involved in the
    arrest said: “Fuck your breath.”

    Bates served less than two years in prison for manslaughter.

    On a scorching afternoon this week Andre Harris, Eric’s brother, described watching the video 1,000 times in an effort to connect himself with his brother’s last seconds alive. His profound grief also connected him to history, and he pointed out that just as in 1921 when the sheriff’s office conscripted members of a lynch mob to wreak havoc in Greenwood, it was a volunteer white officer that killed his brother.

    “Such disrespect for human life,” he said with reference to both events.

    A year later, in the same city, 40-year-old Terrence Crutcher would become
    the next unarmed black man to die at the hands of police in Tulsa. The
    white officer who opened fire was acquitted at trial.

    Andre Harris has planned a road trip to Los Angeles this weekend to avoid Donald Trump’s trip to his city. “I’m getting out to the nearest ocean and
    I’m going to pray,” he said. “I’m tired of feeling that negative energy.”

    On the 99th anniversary of the massacre, an act of violence’

    At the BOK center in downtown Tulsa, around 70 Donald Trump supporters
    have been camped out since the beginning of the week in a bid to secure a
    spot at the rally. Some wore hats and pins depicting the confederate
    battle flag, a symbol of America’s slave owning past. Concrete blocks have been erected at major intersections. On Thursday night, Tulsa’s mayor announced a night time curfew in the city as concerns around unrest
    continue to mount. City public health officials have urged the campaign to postpone, citing fears of the uncontrollable spread of virus among
    attendees.

    Trump’s strategic communications director Marc Lotter, who strolled among supporters earlier in the week, flanked by two private security guards,
    argued that the rally was “a great example of democracy”. He declined to answer if the president would accept moral responsibility should any rally
    goer contract the virus.

    ### - lol i gots it wrong about trumpy warning against protesters raining
    in HIS parade?

    coz in truth he's deliberately holding his rally there in order to rain on THEIR parade re the massacre!?

    this is all in very bad taste really no? a quite deliberate slap in the
    faces of the BLM movement, and lol couldn't really be any MORE offensive
    than if they'd held a kkk meeting right where mr floyd was murdered??

    am hoping that the african americans can hold their temper and just stay
    away, not because they're scared but because they have more sense? they
    can be content, for example, that the whole world is currently avidly
    watching and that all this will perforce go into the history books as a
    very damning indictment of crimes against humanity...

    otoh, maybe this will be the straw that finally + REALLY breaks the camels
    back forever? like maybe half a million or more angry blacks turning up
    from all over and completely fuckin' wrecking his rally AND tulsa and
    burning that shit to the ground! (could happen!)

    and if trumpy orders the troops to go in and start shooting 'em, those
    troops might just refuse to go? that army chief the other day for example, basically apologising for that photo-op session outside the WH, saying he regrets being there? (iow: he wouldn't do that again!)

    in which case the army could just turn him down and refuse to go in... and
    then what???

    i honestly hope it doesn't come to this, but will stock up on popcorn &
    cola just in case heh ;)

    this could be the one!

    let's see...

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