From: slider@atashram.com

If there’s a silver lining to the COVID-19 pandemic it may be that the
health crisis, which has resulted in the most drastic economic shutdown in
Los Angeles history, has also produced the longest stretch of clean air
the city has seen in more than a generation.

‪The March 2020 air quality index compiled by the Environmental Protection Agency confirms what millions of Angelenos can see just by looking out the window: ‪the brownish haze that customarily settles atop the city on
weekday afternoons has lifted and visibility has cleared for miles in
every direction since the “safer at home” order was imposed.

https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/air-quality-covid/

‪Last month, Los Angeles experienced the longest stretch of days of “good”
air since at least 1980. The federal agency’s online data goes back no further, but one expert suspects that L.A.’s air hasn’t been this clean since around the time the United States entered the Second World War. Cody Hill, an energy company executive based in the Bay Area, posted a graphic
of the EPA data to his Twitter account and wrote that, in terms of air
quality, March may well have been “one of the best months at least since
the 1940s, when there was huge migration as we ramped up aircraft
production in the L.A. basin to fight WW2.”

‪The notorious L.A. smog starts as a cloud of traffic emissions that’s spewed into the air during the morning rush hour. This layer of air
pollution is then held in place by a combination of the Southland’s topography and its prevailing weather patterns, and baked for hours in SoCal’s warm ultraviolet rays, an effect that air-quality experts liken to
a pot of soup heating on a stove.

‪There’s no question that the drastic improvement in air quality‪—a combined measure of the particle pollution, carbon monoxide, sulfur
dioxide, nitrogen dioxide, and ozone we breathe into our lungs—is due to
the fact that most Angelenos are driving less and staying inside more. On
March 18, L.A.’s infamous rush-hour traffic was moving 71 percent faster
than it usually does on a Wednesday afternoon, The New York Times
reported. But strong winds and repeated rain showers in March also played
a part, says Ed Avol, a professor of clinical preventive medicine at the Southern California Environmental Health Sciences Center at USC.

‪Avol is in his 60s and grew up in Los Angeles. He has spent decades
studying issues of air quality in L.A. as they relate to health.
“Certainly the air is a lot cleaner now than when I was a child, but we
still have a long way to go to get clean air,” he said. “And these last couple of weeks have shown us that it’s possible, but it’s going to take a lot of hard work to get there.”

‪The historically low air pollution is an aberration and the smog will
return when life goes back to normal, unless, as Avol hopes, telecommuting
is here to stay. He believes it has the potential to do for air pollution
in the next decade what increasing fuel emissions standards accomplished
in the early 2000s.

‪“It’s obviously very unfortunate that it takes a pandemic to get us to think about these things and to see this improvement. It should give us
all pause to think about how much driving we each do, and whether we
really need to do so much of it. Telecommuting from home, for those who
can, even just for a couple of days a week, can have a marked reduction in terms of emissions.”

‪“And this experience should make that very clear to people who didn’t think about it before.”

### - yet another 'message' from Nature re perhaps altering our crappy behavour...

it's obviously telling/showing us something, a 'silver lining' as the
article says, but are we even listening to it though?

meanwhile, however, our world is quiet & at-rest like someone has pressed
the proverbial pause button!

a rare few moments gained in our otherwise obsessive + headlong-flight to inevitable disaster, and thus a chance to contemplate our future behaviour given a comparison we might have never otherwise received?

imho, we'd do well to 'remember' all these unspoken lessons ;)

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

and that ain't all dear readers,
Los Angeles crime rate dropped like a
son of a bitch. Yes gots some clean
air at last. we are so lucky.

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 8:46:18 AM UTC-4, slider wrote:

If there’s a silver lining to the COVID-19 pandemic it may be that the health crisis, which has resulted in the most drastic economic shutdown in Los Angeles history, has also produced the longest stretch of clean air
the city has seen in more than a generation.

‪The March 2020 air quality index compiled by the Environmental Protection

Agency confirms what millions of Angelenos can see just by looking out the window: ‪the brownish haze that customarily settles atop the city on weekday afternoons has lifted and visibility has cleared for miles in
every direction since the “safer at home” order was imposed.

A "SANE" system of mass transit would be a good thing.
Instead they attempted a 7 billion high speed railway
from San Francisco to LA. Totally abandoned.

‪“And this experience should make that very clear to people who didn’t

think about it before.”

### - yet another 'message' from Nature re perhaps altering our crappy behavour...

it's obviously telling/showing us something, a 'silver lining' as the article says, but are we even listening to it though?

meanwhile, however, our world is quiet & at-rest like someone has pressed the proverbial pause button!

In my area only half so much.
In USA the states are mini-nations with small army (national guard)
controlled by mini presidents (governors) with each state having
it's own constitution. Here in Massachusetts the infected are monitored
daily, if very sick hospitalized, if in need of food or medicine, it's
provided quickly. My state is the oldest state, where revolution began.

a rare few moments gained in our otherwise obsessive + headlong-flight to inevitable disaster, and thus a chance to contemplate our future behaviour given a comparison we might have never otherwise received?

imho, we'd do well to 'remember' all these unspoken lessons ;)

There is an organizing consciousness that weighs and computates
to find the best path forward for every life form.

Maybe WW1 was a waste of time and Spanish Flu was the push back.
Whenever humanity is pointing a gun at its own head the gun is removed.

A studiable contradiction by a well known dreamer.

"Love thy neighbor as thyself"
"Honor thy mother and father
[]
Verses
[]

55. Jesus said, "Whoever does not hate father and mother cannot
be my disciple, and whoever does not hate brothers and sisters,
and carry the cross as I do, will not be worthy of me."

( It means to make it outside the circle of creation-computation
you must go alone to change the eternal-totality-infinite or the -8- )

56. Jesus said, "Whoever has come to know the world has
discovered a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass, of
that person the world is not worthy."

( This cosmos is a submarine laying on the ocean's floor)

57 Jesus said, "The Father's kingdom is like a person who has
[good] seed. His enemy came during the night and sowed weeds
among the good seed. The person did not let the workers pull up
the weeds, but said to them, 'No, otherwise you might go to pull
up the weeds and pull up the wheat along with them.' For on the
day of the harvest the wheat shall be seperated from the chaff"

(There are healthy strong identity patterns trapped in this failed cosmos.
They escape by being true to their private self:
as eternal-totality-infinite or the -8- )


It's about building or rebuilding ones own private realm-boat-self.
All that you know from dreaming about managing cause and effect strategies.

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From: slider@atashram.com

a rare few moments gained in our otherwise obsessive + headlong-flight
to
inevitable disaster, and thus a chance to contemplate our future
behaviour
given a comparison we might have never otherwise received?

imho, we'd do well to 'remember' all these unspoken lessons ;)

There is an organizing consciousness that weighs and computates
to find the best path forward for every life form.

### - oh there's 'something' alright: something alive & living! but
whether it calculates, computates and/or weighs things in quite the same
manner humanity exclusively relates to + imagines (the product of reason
etc) is highly doubtful...

and because imho that's just us projecting all our own ideas/concepts etc
onto it; we wanna say 'score a goal' so we imagine/project that life must
be also doing something very similar, only it's never done that, it just
is... and works in a way that's beyond rational comprehension so there's
no need to attribute reason to it except perhaps only to make 'ourselves'
feel better/more-justified in carrying on doing what we're doing...
whereas in truth we (humanity i mean) have been long heading-off on a
tangent to the rest of Nature that has led us away from it...

that we've accordingly risen 'above' nature as we're so fond of saying/affirming (iow: it still talks to us in its own way only we don't fuckin' listen to it anymore! we're far more interested in scoring goals
we recognise instead...) ;)

It's about building or rebuilding ones own private realm-boat-self.
All that you know from dreaming about managing cause and effect
strategies.

### - imho & experience, we have to put all such 'personal' agendas
completely aside or we don't even see/hear the presented messages being offered, i.e., being either for or against something (anything!) means we
don't then ever get to see things from the referees' far more detached + unbiased pov for instance; something, an alternate pov, which ultimately equates with unbiased wisdom ;)

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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From: intraphase@gmail.com

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 11:17:49 AM UTC-4, slider wrote:

a rare few moments gained in our otherwise obsessive + headlong-flight
to
inevitable disaster, and thus a chance to contemplate our future
behaviour
given a comparison we might have never otherwise received?

imho, we'd do well to 'remember' all these unspoken lessons ;)

There is an organizing consciousness that weighs and computates
to find the best path forward for every life form.

### - oh there's 'something' alright: something alive & living! but
whether it calculates, computates and/or weighs things in quite the same manner humanity exclusively relates to + imagines (the product of reason
etc) is highly doubtful...

If it thinks in sound and pictures and it's sub conscious thinks in
a form of mathematics so abstract that we see it everywhere but do not
see it or comprehend it, then...

and because imho that's just us projecting all our own ideas/concepts etc onto it; we wanna say 'score a goal' so we imagine/project that life must
be also doing something very similar, only it's never done that, it just is... and works in a way that's beyond rational comprehension so there's
no need to attribute reason to it except perhaps only to make 'ourselves' feel better/more-justified in carrying on doing what we're doing...
whereas in truth we (humanity i mean) have been long heading-off on a
tangent to the rest of Nature that has led us away from it...

Slides, calm down brother, you have so many preconceived notions that
any mention of a transcendent reality or experience rankles you a tad much.

Simply put: There is something there, There's a there "there."
The generic idea of free will implies every beings relationship
with that "diffuse totality" of consciousness shall be unique
and different from all others.

The only constructs and toy models I use are handcrafted and tested
on every accessible level of the consciousness we find ourselves embedded in.

that we've accordingly risen 'above' nature as we're so fond of saying/affirming (iow: it still talks to us in its own way only we don't fuckin' listen to it anymore! we're far more interested in scoring goals
we recognise instead...) ;)

I work a five level system Animal Human Truth Eternal Infinite.
The first level is nature and never discarded. I've been anticipating
this virus since 2015, hence the story The Boat. Positioned in the past
and distant future as an information pattern in the "diffuse totality"
I have slightly more influence than a casual player or peruser of the cosmos.

It's about building or rebuilding ones own private realm-boat-self.
All that you know from dreaming about managing cause and effect
strategies.

### - imho & experience, we have to put all such 'personal' agendas completely aside or we don't even see/hear the presented messages being offered, i.e., being either for or against something (anything!) means we don't then ever get to see things from the referees' far more detached + unbiased pov for instance; something, an alternate pov, which ultimately equates with unbiased wisdom ;)

I have found through experience there is one "'personal' agendas"
that the "diffuse totality" tolerates supports and shall promote
if a conscious being seeks its counsel and very very occasional
direct intervention, that agenda is "pure survival."

It's that level of "diffuse totality" that turned Mandela from
a terrorist into a peace maker establishing universal freedom in
the realm he served as an agency of change for.

Building a boat and setting sail on the great ocean of the infinite
is the antithesis of a personal agenda, it is a final goodbye to the
hindrance of the human form and worlds of irrelevant experiences.

I'm just passing through this world, testing boat designs.
I know any player who gains the power to access 0D-1D-2D.
They all know my real name, in reply I say "Loose lips sink ships"
A trope-idiom from seamen not wanting to be torpedoed.

So personal agendas and reliance on "reason" are not valid when
alone in the 0D-1D-2D, it's all instinct and intuition based the same
way a human body has a trillion cells, and each cell has a trillion
atoms and each atom has a trillion neutrinos. Consciousness here in 3D & 4D
is a rare event because to be conscious a being must be on 0D-1D-2D-3D-4D simultaneously. Best way to do that is achieve silence and translate
the received flow into an acceptable medium, or simply perceive and enjoy
the flow of the flowing flows.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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From: slider@atashram.com

a rare few moments gained in our otherwise obsessive +

headlong-flight

to
inevitable disaster, and thus a chance to contemplate our future
behaviour
given a comparison we might have never otherwise received?

imho, we'd do well to 'remember' all these unspoken lessons ;)

There is an organizing consciousness that weighs and computates
to find the best path forward for every life form.

### - oh there's 'something' alright: something alive & living! but
whether it calculates, computates and/or weighs things in quite the same
manner humanity exclusively relates to + imagines (the product of reason
etc) is highly doubtful...

If it thinks in sound and pictures and it's sub conscious thinks in
a form of mathematics so abstract that we see it everywhere but do not
see it or comprehend it, then...

### - i don't think IT thinks at all! we're the ones doin' all the
thinking and figuring! the rest of Nature doesn't think or figure at all,
it just knows ;)

and because imho that's just us projecting all our own ideas/concepts
etc
onto it; we wanna say 'score a goal' so we imagine/project that life
must
be also doing something very similar, only it's never done that, it just
is... and works in a way that's beyond rational comprehension so there's
no need to attribute reason to it except perhaps only to make
'ourselves'
feel better/more-justified in carrying on doing what we're doing...
whereas in truth we (humanity i mean) have been long heading-off on a
tangent to the rest of Nature that has led us away from it...

Slides, calm down brother, you have so many preconceived notions that
any mention of a transcendent reality or experience rankles you a tad
much.

### - am perfectly calm thank you very much heh, calmer than you actually
(far more so than you could possibly know or even believe...)

so please don't start-in telling me there's something 'wrong' with me, insinuating that i've got a problem like that asshole thang ok? else, and especially in the present context, i'll be forced to accuse you of merely projecting rather than examining, particularly after already giving ya's
the clue via those stories, and which i can see now you must have had some small objection to, possibly because i've challenged you having an agenda
and it's actually you that's getting rankled & testy?

(see? don't do it to moi and i wont do it to you ok? and 'coz am perfectly
able to protect myself - fyi & reassurance i wasn't attacking you but
merely following-through with what i'd started via those 2 stories)

Simply put: There is something there, There's a there "there."
The generic idea of free will implies every beings relationship
with that "diffuse totality" of consciousness shall be unique
and different from all others.

### - so you 'reserve' that right for yourself then eh? i will not be one
with Nature because i've gots a better idea??

lol all of humanity has 'ideas' and imho (and experience) that's the core
of their problem! they ALL think their right lol...

that if they'd only stop 'doing' that (or at least not put their 'own'
ideas before everything else, including Nature...) they might just regain
some of their sanity ;)

The only constructs and toy models I use are handcrafted and tested
on every accessible level of the consciousness we find ourselves
embedded in.

### - am not actually asking anyone to cease doin' that, only to leave a
crack open in the door am pointing to just in case ok? to bear it in-mind
just in-case Nature 'itself' has a message for you that's being blocked by
our own full + detailed agendas...

that we've accordingly risen 'above' nature as we're so fond of
saying/affirming (iow: it still talks to us in its own way only we don't
fuckin' listen to it anymore! we're far more interested in scoring goals
we recognise instead...) ;)

I work a five level system Animal Human Truth Eternal Infinite.
The first level is nature and never discarded. I've been anticipating
this virus since 2015, hence the story The Boat. Positioned in the past
and distant future as an information pattern in the "diffuse totality"
I have slightly more influence than a casual player or peruser of the
cosmos.

### - look, there's no need to 'defend' your position so heavily ok?
(you're just digging-in even deeper now)

coz in truth i don't care even a bit what you... think!

those stories, for example, are not about 'thinking' nor the kinds of
things people think about, am just saying that there's quite possibly a
lot more (like maybe even the other 95% of the missing fuckin' universe
lol) to perhaps maybe take on board just 'in-case' there's more to life,
the universe & everything than our puny rational (and ofttimes deranged)
minds can even conceive of; and i mean that most literally hah! :)))

It's about building or rebuilding ones own private realm-boat-self.
All that you know from dreaming about managing cause and effect
strategies.

### - imho & experience, we have to put all such 'personal' agendas
completely aside or we don't even see/hear the presented messages being
offered, i.e., being either for or against something (anything!) means
we
don't then ever get to see things from the referees' far more detached +
unbiased pov for instance; something, an alternate pov, which ultimately
equates with unbiased wisdom ;)

I have found through experience there is one "'personal' agendas"
that the "diffuse totality" tolerates supports and shall promote
if a conscious being seeks its counsel and very very occasional
direct intervention, that agenda is "pure survival."

It's that level of "diffuse totality" that turned Mandela from
a terrorist into a peace maker establishing universal freedom in
the realm he served as an agency of change for.

Building a boat and setting sail on the great ocean of the infinite
is the antithesis of a personal agenda, it is a final goodbye to the hindrance of the human form and worlds of irrelevant experiences.

### - look, even the buddhists have to 'get-off' the road in the end if
they wanna actually 'realise' the teachings as opposed to merely jerking themselves off with a bunch of fancy dressed-up concepts no?

what's so difficult to understand about that??

we ALL come from the world of agendas! from the most simple to the most
complex & convoluted, but am betting Nature doesn't give 2-hoots for any
of what we may or may not come up with no matter how clever-seeming? that
it's only US humans that does all that, that no other being on this planet
does that 'except' us! we've collectively lost the thread see?

I'm just passing through this world, testing boat designs.
I know any player who gains the power to access 0D-1D-2D.
They all know my real name, in reply I say "Loose lips sink ships"
A trope-idiom from seamen not wanting to be torpedoed.

### - so you're the 'special' man then eh?

well, in your own world maybe, but compared to the vastness of Nature
we're all just 'microbes' maan, and what we do or think just doesn't
matter one iota compared to the vastness of the cosmos, it's just all in
our heads see, endless versions of shit... none of it true ;)

So personal agendas and reliance on "reason" are not valid when
alone in the 0D-1D-2D, it's all instinct and intuition based the same
way a human body has a trillion cells, and each cell has a trillion
atoms and each atom has a trillion neutrinos. Consciousness here in 3D &
4D
is a rare event because to be conscious a being must be on 0D-1D-2D-3D-4D simultaneously. Best way to do that is achieve silence and translate
the received flow into an acceptable medium, or simply perceive and enjoy
the flow of the flowing flows.

### - you opened your mouth and all that crap just fell out but it doesn't
mean a goddamn thing: to Nature! (which was my point so leave me out of it
heh)

get it? this ISN'T about me or you personally! but here you are putting yourself in the frame and trying to drag me down with ya!

i do get it though heh; like most people you're scared that Nature, if it
'has' any messages for us at all that we 'could' perhaps perceive, might,
if ya listened, if ya gave it a chance, might just tell/show ya to go do something completely different to what you 'think' you should be doing? (i
can see how that might be scary...)

perhaps because you've invested so much of yourself in it all, who
knows... but the stuff i was talkin' about via those stories that has apparently rattled you so much (enough to launch a flank-attack on yours
truly anyway when we was apparently getting along so fine i mean...
(although heh i did wonder how it was all lasting quite so long, maybe
because of the virus subject whatever...)

i.e., those 'stories' take the 'ME' right outta the frame altogether to
where Nature: is!

there's no 'room' for a 'me' in them!

and now here you are waving your 'me' in my face + trying to prove how
there's summat wrong with my me?? LOL :))

fuck off with that crap! (and i mean that with the deepest respect haha)

:D

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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From: slider@anashram.com

- oh there's 'something' alright: something alive & living! but whether
it calculates, computates and/or weighs things in quite the same manner humanity exclusively relates to + imagines (the product of reason etc)
is highly doubtful...

and because imho that's just us projecting all our own ideas/concepts
etc onto it; we wanna say 'score a goal' so we imagine/project that life
must be also doing something very similar, only it's never done that, it
just is... and works in a way that's beyond rational comprehension so
there's no need to attribute reason to it except perhaps only to make 'ourselves' feel better/more-justified in carrying on doing what we're doing... whereas in truth we (humanity i mean) have been long
heading-off on a tangent to the rest of Nature that has led us away from it...

that we've accordingly risen 'above' nature as we're so fond of saying/affirming (iow: it still talks to us in its own way only we don't fuckin' listen to it anymore! we're far more interested in scoring goals
we recognise instead...) ;)

### - this (above) is what i wrote about it here...

this is what i wrote about it in the book:

I suspect the simple truth is that there is probably no ‘sense’ (no
meaning per se, or at least not a rational one) to life in quite the way
we might want there to be; that while we are alive we can, of course, do
all the usual things that the majority of people like to do, such as
working and having homes and families. Nevertheless, we still have to understand that all these ‘things’ do not really constitute nor represent the ‘meaning of life’ in and of themselves. Yet in modern society that is exactly and precisely what people are encouraged to turn to for some sort
of sense of completion and solace. The end result is that no one really
knows what they are doing any more. More often than not, we merely bluff
our way through life instead of consciously living it to the full in
complete awareness of doing so.

What then is this ‘fullness’ we seek, where is this ‘life more abundant’
that everyone inwardly craves but can’t really find? I don’t have any definitive answers, although being a keen observer I do think I’ve managed
to pick up a few clues here and there that might just well be of interest
to those with similarly inquiring minds. For example, if there’s such a
thing as a meaning to life and we are part of it, then we really shouldn’t have to look any further than into our own inner being in order to be able
to understand it all, or at least our own part in it.

Perhaps by going along with the universe, instead of rebelling against it
by indulging in all our own ideas that we project and superimpose upon the world instead of dealing with it the way it really is, we might just gain
a few insights. Not because we have so cleverly figured it all out with
our pencils and computers and such like, but because by going along with
things sometimes you can also come to understand more of its true nature
and that, although it may not be able to give you straight verbal answers,
that doesn’t mean you can’t still learn something from observing the way
it behaves and conducts itself with you and with everything else.

Maybe what we have to try and first understand and accept is that nature
itself isn’t intellectual and that, in the main, it has got to where it
has today after billions of years of unfolding without the benefits of
rational thinking and language to explain it; that although its purpose,
its (and thus our) whole reason for being, is a totally silent one that requires no explanation to function, which doesn’t mean we can’t still learn to go along with it and pick up a few interesting and useful things
about it and ourselves in the process. Nature is our friend. Nature
doesn’t lie. In other words, if we start off at home by looking a little
more into our own nature and our own natural abilities, then later may
come a view of the bigger picture in which we all naturally belong.

***

so you see Art (or whatever your real name is that you hinted you have)
all i've been pursuing all along is just part of the final walk-through
(the last chapter) in the book, my original intention was to walk
alongside ya's all, only most dropped out one way or another along the
way/lost interest hah, even mr-chips was a real struggle to help keep his
eye on the ball with the WILDing, he being the only one to even go 'that'
far even if it did take him nearly 4 years lol, he did nevertheless, and
after a lot of complaining heh, manage several good WILDs albeit forgot
them pretty quickly afterwards too...

i saw it through all the way to the end anyway regardless (this 'is' the
final chapter in the book after all, a recap of what's all gone before +
with hopefully a couple of pointers in what, i hope heh, is a better
direction; a direction supplied by Nature itself so how could it be wrong!)

basically, only mr-chips made it all the way to the end + what, if
anything, he decides to do with it all now is perforce entirely up to him!
no one will be twisting his arm to do nada! uses it/doesn't use it, it's
his ball game now, but am guessing he probably wont... it's for another generation altogether after all... and because this lot (this generation)
ain't quite ready yet...

all i know is that i did my best + gave it my best shot in the face of
quite a lot of adversity lol! bricks, daggers, even the kitchen sink on occasion! lol everything, you name it they chucked it, and what a bunch of chuckers they were! hah! :)

professional chuckers! :)))

and oh well then, back to more mundane things now innit; just the little
matter of IF any of us are actually gonna survive this outbreak or not...

personally, and at our age (boris is only 55 for example) i don't really
give us much chance there, a temperature of 105, as i heard of in one
case, not really being something we oldies are likely to be able to
handle! (your brain actually starts to poach at 106 lol)

so place yer bets peeps coz we'll likely all gonna find out pretty soon
now...

plus good luck to us all :)

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)

From: allreadydun@gmail.com

A studiable contradiction by a well known dreamer.

"Love thy neighbor as thyself"
"Honor thy mother and father
[]
Verses
[]

55. Jesus said, "Whoever does not hate father and mother cannot
be my disciple, and whoever does not hate brothers and sisters,
and carry the cross as I do, will not be worthy of me."

( It means to make it outside the circle of creation-computation
you must go alone to change the eternal-totality-infinite or the -8- )

56. Jesus said, "Whoever has come to know the world has
discovered a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass, of
that person the world is not worthy."

( This cosmos is a submarine laying on the ocean's floor)

57 Jesus said, "The Father's kingdom is like a person who has
[good] seed. His enemy came during the night and sowed weeds
among the good seed. The person did not let the workers pull up
the weeds, but said to them, 'No, otherwise you might go to pull
up the weeds and pull up the wheat along with them.' For on the
day of the harvest the wheat shall be seperated from the chaff"

i was listening to some Vern Howard tapes the other day. You
know Vernon Howard? Tough cookie, but a really good teacher.
I knew some people who studied under him. They are a little
too Jesus speakie for me but they had some good ideas.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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From: intraphase@gmail.com

Once you use the word "reason" I accept the discussion is over.
It's just a word. A word I avoid because there are more nuanced descriptives.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

in the spirit of keeping things lite
first off sorry that John Prine passed.
saw a pic John playin' the guitar--it's truly
amazing how much he looks like the 'old man'
on Pawn Stars. As you remember the old man
passed awhile back too.

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

I respect your opinion(s).

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From: slider@atashram.com

Once you use the word "reason" I accept the discussion is over.
It's just a word. A word I avoid because there are more nuanced
descriptives.

### - bs... you deliberately killed any 'conversation' by switching to
shooting the messenger instead of discussing the observations more
objectively, you thus attempted to sabotage the line of thought by making
it personal, by deliberately bringing everything down to a lower
shouting-level like that fucking idiot jeremy who couldn't hold a serious thought (or conversation hah) for more than 30-seconds without crapping
himself in public!

so ok, stay in your petty little push-me-pull-you world, see if i give a
damn what happens to you!

(i gave you a chance didn't i? many actually! which is more than you ever
gave me over all that shit via that cow/thief rbb!)

so please don't talk to me again and expect a response...

we're done + anything you 'do' say/comment will be taken as a personal
attack from now on and dealt with accordingly.

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

Another Free Jam with Fogarty & his kids. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fduevUJtsv4

Down On The Corner

Early in the evenin' just about supper time
Over by the courthouse they're starting to unwind
Four kids on the corner trying to bring you up
Willy picks a tune out and he blows it on the harp
Down on the corner
Out in the street
Willy and the Poor Boys are playin'
Bring a nickel, tap your feet
Rooster hits the washboard and people just got to smile
Blinky thumps the gut bass and solos for a while
Poor Boy twangs the rhythm out on his kalamazoo
And Willy goes into a dance and doubles on kazoo
Down on the corner
Out in the street
Willy and the Poor Boys are playin'
Bring a nickel, tap your feet
Down on the corner
Out in the street
Willy and the Poor Boys are playin'
Bring a nickel, tap your feet
You don't need a penny just to hang around
But if you've got a…

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 9:14:18 AM UTC-4, luckyrat wrote:

in the spirit of keeping things lite
first off sorry that John Prine passed.
saw a pic John playin' the guitar--it's truly
amazing how much he looks like the 'old man'
on Pawn Stars. As you remember the old man
passed awhile back too.

Two Bears Jaywalking https://twitter.com/Camping123456/status/1247511694378536961

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 12:55:16 PM UTC-4, slider wrote:

Once you use the word "reason" I accept the discussion is over.
It's just a word. A word I avoid because there are more nuanced descriptives.

### - bs... you deliberately killed any 'conversation' by switching to shooting the messenger instead of discussing the observations more objectively,

Exactly where did I sully the discussion with an inadequate
level of objectivity. Similar to all beings I have a set of
current perceptual outlooks. I implied nature "thinks" you
implied nature does not think it "knows."

you thus attempted to sabotage the line of thought by making
it personal,

I have no herd, I have no tribe, I am alone always.
So if I made it personal it is because I have no other
mode of cause and effect.

by deliberately bringing everything down to a lower
shouting-level like that fucking idiot jeremy who couldn't hold a serious thought (or conversation hah) for more than 30-seconds without crapping himself in public!

I didn't shout, I must have wandered to close to you back
accident and you perceived it as an increase in volume.

so ok, stay in your petty little push-me-pull-you world, see if i give a damn what happens to you!

That's projection, and an accurate metaphor to describe it.
In essence you said,
"There is more to the worlds current situation than meets the eye."
In essence I "agreed" with you in a way that you found offensive.
Humor alert: "When I agree with you in the future I'll do it in approved ways."

(i gave you a chance didn't i? many actually! which is more than you ever gave me over all that shit via that cow/thief rbb!)

RBB In my book of life RBB and Maurice saved my life in my hour of need.
I accept them as essential parts of my narrative, your relations with them
are none of my business. Across the Great Ocean I shall joyfully repay if allowed. If not I shall stand ready to serve them at a moments notice and multiply the seed the planted in my narrative many times. I have not judged them only accepted that what is, is what is, and I experienced humble gratitude.
I haven't heard a peep out of RBB in thirteen years, and the above remains true.

so please don't talk to me again and expect a response...

If you say so Boss.

we're done + anything you 'do' say/comment will be taken as a personal attack from now on and dealt with accordingly.

I'm still recovering from the virus and didn't have the wherewithal to
argue with you on a point for point basis. For me the pandemic is over.

Can I post other people comments?

Like I said to Thang, this board is a filing system to me, one of many.

[]

Argument - Eject Button

Don't count your chickens

YouTube and Twitter contain some of the best ways to waste time and rot one’s
brain known to man. They also contain rare gems to stimulate and delight. Indeed, watching Nassim Taleb disembowel his intellectual opponents in real time is the closest one
can get to experiencing the atmosphere of febrile 18th century London coffee houses, or perhaps even ancient Athens.

On a similar note, the other day I was watching on YouTube Eric Weinstein—whom I met with his brother Brett at a convention once briefly in Sydney—discuss everything from pro-wrestling to US elections to cultural preferences to the unfortunate
anatomy of bed bugs, and he also came out with this timely gem.

Tonight, for those who know, is Passover, the ancient Jewish festival which celebrates liberation from slavery in Egypt and avoiding a deadly plague. This year it happens with Jewish communities around the world locked down or under curfew - in order to
avoid a plague. Some irony! (“Why is this Seder night different from all other Seder nights?”)

As Eric pointed out, this tradition does one basic thing well: it reminds its celebrants every single year that sometimes one needs to get out while the getting is good, even if the bread hasn’t finished rising. Of course, this isn’t literally about
bread. It’s about recognizing that sometimes one needs to accept that the overarching structures around us are wrong, unsustainable, or even dangerous even while they are comfortable: and then it’s time to “move” accordingly
regardless of what
can be seen as high costs.

One can interpret that as being brave in markets, as this is a markets Daily, or in life in general. Yet as Eric points out, we are currently surrounded by structures that are not fit for purpose. We have a British PM in intensive care
after plugging
herd immunity and boasting that he shook hand with Coronavirus patients. We have leading scientists telling us there will be zero, then 250,000, then 5,700
deaths; and Dr Fauci, who is lionized today, was telling us in January and February that COVID was
nothing to worry about at all. We have economists arguing the economy needs to come first at some point - as if opening it up will not see the virus wreak havoc and just end up with it closing down again.

More broadly, we have socioeconomic systems that didn’t work pre-virus. Yet we seem eager to run back to where we were three months ago - when three months
ago many were screaming that mankind was cutting its own throat via global warming; that
inequality was building to dangerous levels; and that so were international tensions.

So what’s the point? First, “eat something, already!” Second, try to take
a step back and look at the bigger picture. What really makes sense? What doesn’t? If you had a button to press to eject now, would you? And if you don’t, can you make
one?

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From: slider@anashram.com

RBB In my book of life RBB and Maurice saved my life in my hour of need.
I accept them as essential parts of my narrative, your relations with
them are none of my business.

### - you say that now but is not what you actually... did?

when they were attacking me i took most of it in good humour, i just had
to dance a whole lot more lol, slider was rockin' & a-rollin' heh but was eventually forced to protect myself, at which point you then jumped
firmly-in on their side lending your own weight to that increasingly
vicious attack!

they had started the row after all; i was just having a little harmless
fun with ee (peep-bo!) who then quite unjustifiably started to get very
mean by publishing a photo of me i'd given to rbb in strict confidence?
when rbb then jumped-in to defend her friend (after all, she was the one
who'd gotten her friend into trouble by passing her that photo in the
first place) her comment at the time to me was: i'd wondered why you took
so long to say something about it? (i.e., she was clearly expecting a
response, and after i'd then waited 3 days before pulling ee up on it over
a copyrights issue and insisting on her mutilating her collage or getting
sued hah (just a little bit of bs on my part hah) something ee was really personally BIG on LOL; she was the copyrights queen! so all shame to her
the hypocrite etc, which yes crushed her a bit...)

and 'should' have been left at that only rbb couldn't leave it at that, it became all a matter of her stupid pride now? and that's where she started getting 'really' mean with some pretty horrible vibes going back & forth
(and again she started it all with her mythical needles & sticking-pins
etc!) you jumping-in at that point with some pretty fuckin' horrible vibes
of your own!

and while i wouldn't usually bother ever talking again to someone who even 'imagined' he's chucking 'tumours' about (yes tumours lol) fyi your shit bounced harmlessly off and defo returned to sender! go figure hah!

a case of: whoo-flung-dung strikes again and Truth prevails! :)))

Across the Great Ocean I shall joyfully repay if
allowed. If not I shall stand ready to serve them at a moments notice and multiply the seed the planted in my narrative many times. I have not
judged
them only accepted that what is, is what is, and I experienced humble gratitude.
I haven't heard a peep out of RBB in thirteen years, and the above
remains true.

### - the 'only' reason i ever talked to you again, at all, was because
i'd figured you were only really, albeit rather ignorantly, standing up
for your friend rbb, even though you didn't seem to care that she'd in
fact started it all?

i mean, as a 'friend' you 'should' have perhaps been telling her not to DO
such wicked shit in the first place? and because that would have likely
helped her a lot more in the long run instead of what eventually happened
to her? (she easily lost the war and got fucked right up!)

and that's basically your fault too!

so you actually owe her a LOT more than you perhaps realise bud! you could
have ended it! saved her ass! but only made it worse?? (possibly even
fatal)

as it goes, it was vinny that ended it hehe (good 'ole vinny...) with his peace-candle? (have always favoured him after that heh) plus wasn't at all surprised that he eventually found something 'genuine' to write about...
(good man that vinny! climbed ALL the way to the top of that thunder
mountain of his hah, even after wicked-jeremy's attempts to bulldoze it
flat + drive a wedge between us, very cool how that all turned out; jeremy
got bulldozed/fucked instead lol, ahhh the poetic justice of it all, it
can be beautiful sometimes...)

needless to say relations between you & i have been somewhat strained
since that time ("no bills outstanding" you said recently? only that's obviously not true considering just how quick you were to turn on me in a moment during an otherwise completely harmless conversation in an effort
to demean the things i was talking about/suggesting, you should have just
left it alone if you felt like that but couldn't...)

why didn't chris feel a need to take similar offense too for example? his reaction was completely the opposite of yours to those stories?? (he read
it correctly iow, whereas all 'you' felt was personally threatened...)

so no, it's just you... and cretins like jeremy & thang! - idiots more interested in 'themselves' than Reality! duh! hypocrites! the most
mindless thing there is!

the VERY thing that's destroying the world: human selfishness in all it's crappy glory!

the rest is history...

(all that lot's gots to go ya know. It's the meek who'll inherit the
earth...)

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

I read this thoroughly 2X to hear you out.
I remember the incidents you just narrated.

If you want guy to guy advice.

1. You should never have given your picture out.
2. You shouldn't have been having fun at EE's expense.

I'm your acquaintance, were not friends or associates
by your own decision and I respect that. Proof is neither
you nor I have ever exchanged emails.

You never really knew Daniela or Dave.
You never took their narratives seriously.
You weaponized any information you culled.
I'm surprised you could speak of Daniela and wish her harm still,
over an event from 15 years ago approximately.


You still haven't listed exactly what I said.
It's a simple matter of cutting and pasting so
I can review as opposed to weaponize some narrative
component.


One of the reasons Jesus says love your enemies is
you might one day discover they weren't your enemy.
Then there's less debris on the beaches of each cosmos.


When I finish the aircraft carrier thread I'll go on hiatus.
I think your brain overheated and you lashed out at me, that's all.
I understand your technical explanations and wish you peace and strength.


I'll fuck off now.

Sorta...

Kinda...

Mostly...


Mushroomhead - Simple Survival
https://youtu.be/nghUCS6zqIE

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From: slider@atashram.com

in the spirit of keeping things lite

### - smile, looks like we're the last 2 sane ones left standin' then
innit heh :)))

the rest all eventually off to that great recycle-bin in the sky lol...

quite a few did alright though, some of 'em (like vinny) imho even made it
;)

(broke on thu' to the other side i mean, yourself included...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqLdDKy2XUQ

"we chased our pleasures here, dug our treasures there..."

:)

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

You still haven't listed exactly what I said.
It's a simple matter of cutting and pasting so
I can review as opposed to weaponize some narrative
component.

### - you 'can' do that but often don't bother, you'd rather sneer and belittle than debate (just like dave) as your most recent 'move' proves?
in truth i was indeed testing you but also offering you something of potentially great value... but rather than even 'look' at that too close
you chose to crap on it (and me) instead... you know better! but remain incapable of backing up your arguments and so resort to completely unnecessary invective/deflection, and very nasty with it too i might add! because just look where we are now? 'this' is where you brought us to??
not good! very petty and completely unreasonable considering the very
'nice' thing i was actually talking about? why were you offended and
mr-chips wasn't? eh?? it's all in that bit heh, your PERSONAL eye of the needle is right there!)

You stated you were offended by something I said.
If you won't tell me what statement you found offensive
then it is impossible for me to understand your position.
Also impossible to modify, retract or consider apologizing.

Maybe all this had to occur so I would know all of our
interactions and transactions were seen through a lens
crafted fifteen years ago during a conflict I was but an
observer of.

I remember disrespecting CRSD and regretting it.
I only did it once and I believe he knows I never repeated my mistake.

Sidebar https://www.thewrap.com/bob-dylan-scores-first-ever-no-1-hit-with-17-minute-murder-most-foul-ballad/

Anyways, I'm not up to reading much or typing much.
I went right from 3-4 viruses or Covid-19 into tree allergy
season. For various reasons this year is brutal. I'm not allergic
to pollen or grass, I am allergic to the molecules that make a new
layer of bark.


I'm glad you stated your resentment.
I live in the world of cause and effect as high speed "Truth."
I regret any irritation or discomfort that occurred for you and myself.
I was going to decode the song by Bob but felt it was sure to offend.

There are many things I disagree with Bob about, he knows I practice
a creed of universal respect for all forms of consciousness and life.
I felt the song stands alone as it is in its woven tapestry of imagery.

Things shall get better a tiny bit at a time.
Try not to be so hostile Slides and examine the
thematic structure of what happened with the picture,
and ask yourself if what happened to the picture was the
repetition or reenactment of a pattern from early on.

We reenact our early traumas to resolve them permanently.

If we were in court, I would get a dismissal of your case against me.
In the real world I grew up in many people killed many people, I survived.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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From: slider@anashram.com

I read this thoroughly 2X to hear you out.
I remember the incidents you just narrated.

If you want guy to guy advice.

1. You should never have given your picture out.

### - that was indeed my mistake; via emails we'd talked and exchanged
quite a bit, little did i realise she was merely sussing me out, but
having no ill intentions myself i didn't see the harm in it, the photo
(and other things) being my signaling to her that i was friendly and
didn't actually want anything, she was very helpful for example, when it
came to finding someone technical to help construct that webcam server,
all seemed to go well...

2. You shouldn't have been having fun at EE's expense.

### - incorrect, i certainly wasn't having fun at anyone's expense (have
never done that even once to anyone in all these years, am not like that + don't have any axes to grind), let alone hers...)

rather, it is just my way of getting to know + interact with someone + all
was going well until she took objection to something i said/suggested re
life, the universe & everything; she argued her case well (about something pretty daft i think, some unreal belief or another) but took umbrage when
she started losing the debate, the better argument/reality was winning was
all but she couldn't accept that and advance herself, and so started
getting a bit nasty as unreasonable people often do...

in my usual humourous manner i rolled with the punches dodging her blows
while she attempted to hide behind certain things (peep-bo!) she couldn't possibly win the debate + not being able to 'accept' that (just like you
today) she was resorting instead to insults and only making herself look
even more lame! she's proud!

rbb stupidly + completely unnecessarily came to her aid when, in reality,
ee's whole argument was untenable and because i wasn't actually trying to
hurt her any, just pointing out that is was stupid to not only deny the
results of the debate but to now also go on the offensive to protect an untenable argument... but between them behind the scenes they cooked up
the exposure of the photo (let's really wound the fucker for real! and
beat him that way!)

the tone changed somewhat after that heh, now they were making themselves
my enemy simply & solely because ee's point was too weak to succeed, but
they didn't care about that, however, and went instead into a
brute-force-mode to win, not the debate because that was impossible, but
just to give me a hiding because ee felt insulted for defending such a
weak point in the first place and it all coming out in the course of the
debate that's she's basically an idiot for believing such crap in the
first place; so they decided to punish me!

unfortunately for them 'right' was on my side, i'd done nada wrong; i'd
already won the debate and what it all became about 'now' (what they
together turned it into) was ee being unwilling to accept her loss in good grace + rbb being willing to help her punish me even though she was
clearly in the wrong to begin with, they both were now!

if i was guilty of anything it was only that of being in the right (about aspects of reality) and standing my ground + defending that greater-right
that had emerged from the debate...

there wasn't much i could do about the photo, but could still shame her
for being the twit both she & rbb had now turned into, their house was
built on pure sand and illusion but for some stubborn reason of their own (obviously not a sane one) they decided to go all-in on destroying yours
truly instead, and at which point you then decided to try and help turn
the tide in their favour: it was now 3 onto one!

not being someone to just lay down & die i perforce protected myself +
cannot then be held responsible for what happens if something invokes my
(or anyones) innate/instinctive sense of self-preservation... needless to
say they (and you) didn't succeed! all three of you're positions were completely untenable to begin with!

I'm your acquaintance, were not friends or associates
by your own decision and I respect that. Proof is neither
you nor I have ever exchanged emails.

### - no emails because it never got to that before you bailed, we did
however have very long exchanges on here over a few months (i remember
them all heh) talking about all sorts of interesting things! you too
didn't like some of the things i was saying/suggesting but seemed to find
it stimulating enough to continue, and even lashed out a couple of times
at me in frustration, but via my being able to dodge it enough there was
no harm done, i thought we had quite stimulating exchanges! you could be
most reasonable/educated sometimes (unlike ee) so you never took it too
far and that was just fine! you grumbled a bit sometimes but didn't make
some big deal out of it like ee was doing...

You never really knew Daniela or Dave.

### - i had 'very' long exchanges with them over the years and like to
think i got to know them both quite well... even to exchanging many
emails, pictures, paintings with rbb, she even gave me a picture of hers
i'd liked as a possible book cover! i made a point of getting to know her!

You never took their narratives seriously.

### - incorrect... i always took them (and everyone actually) very
seriously indeed! still do! human beings all, buried up to their necks in
shit, how can i just stand idly by and do nada!

You weaponized any information you culled.

### - bs... i have no such axes to grind, never did and never will, was
free of all that before ever even coming here heh... i have no such
agenda...

I'm surprised you could speak of Daniela and wish her harm still,
over an event from 15 years ago approximately.

### - have never wished her harm, completely the opposite actually, that
even after all that was blown-over i still talked to her + offered her
good things (the japanese tea ceremony for example, a zen thing, she liked that!)

You still haven't listed exactly what I said.
It's a simple matter of cutting and pasting so
I can review as opposed to weaponize some narrative
component.

### - you 'can' do that but often don't bother, you'd rather sneer and
belittle than debate (just like dave) as your most recent 'move' proves?
in truth i was indeed testing you but also offering you something of potentially great value... but rather than even 'look' at that too close
you chose to crap on it (and me) instead... you know better! but remain incapable of backing up your arguments and so resort to completely
unnecessary invective/deflection, and very nasty with it too i might add! because just look where we are now? 'this' is where you brought us to??
not good! very petty and completely unreasonable considering the very
'nice' thing i was actually talking about? why were you offended and
mr-chips wasn't? eh?? it's all in that bit heh, your PERSONAL eye of the
needle is right there!)

One of the reasons Jesus says love your enemies is
you might one day discover they weren't your enemy.
Then there's less debris on the beaches of each cosmos.

### - oh ffs, please don't bring fucking 'jesus' into this? LOL :)))

coz he ain't ever gonna help ya win an untenable/unreal argument, one
where you're clearly in the wrong! (the greater truth always wins in the
end i mean)

i.e., there was absolutely nada wrong with what i was suggesting/saying,
you just didn't like it for very personal + erroneously fucked up reasons
of your own! your precious prior agenda! so keep it already!

When I finish the aircraft carrier thread I'll go on hiatus.
I think your brain overheated and you lashed out at me, that's all.
I understand your technical explanations and wish you peace and strength.

I'll fuck off now.

Sorta...

Kinda...

Mostly...

### - i think 'your' brain overheated lol, am perfectly cool, unchanged :)

whereas you messed yourself badly when faced/presented with a greater
truth!

a very 'simple' truth that's just very hard to accept when one is filled
to the brim with a prior agenda as you are...

no one was 'forcing' you to accept it, you 'could' have just let it go as
just being one of sliders silly stories etc, but no you didn't 'want' to
accept it even though it's obviously more correct! (and you know it too!)

the 'problem' being that you'd have to abandon your 'own' agenda in order
to adopt it! you could have just kept your mouth shut? but felt sooo
threatened by such a simple concept you had to say something quite nasty??

smile, but which in some ways at any rate, means you must then have
actually heard it to have even 'felt' so threatened heh, and that's cool,
the 'message' (in that sense) was delivered! (was signed for heh, so ya
can't say ya never received it...)

and maybe you can live the rest of your life in denial 'of' that greater
Truth (that's entirely up to you innit) but you 'did' hear it! and that's really all that fuckin' matters from my pov!

perforce the 'choice' is yours & yours alone what you do 'with' that information...

it doesn't personally affect me one way or the other...

it's your problem now not mine...

my job is done :)

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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From: intraphase@gmail.com

What strikes me as amusing...

You kept all that in your head for 15 years? Maybe the tumor is healed now!

In the name of the LAWDDD Jeeezazz I place my hands on brother Slidenstein

and say COME OUT you foul and UNCLEAN spirit.

So I guess I walked away from that argument of fifteen years ago with
a piece of your brain in my pocket. Now you want it back!!!
It's a dried up shriveled old peanut of brain tissue with a movie
of you disrespecting two women in public as if you were beating
your mum and whatever sister aunt or friend she use to leave you with.
Don't you get it Slides, you were reenacting a childhood trauma-drama.
Exactly what happened then happened years before and reenacting it
was the only path to setting yourself free.
You chose to hang onto the mistake you made(picture) and the dissension
it caused in the group all these years. I figured you would do that.
I've never under estimated the malevolence you harbor towards life.

I'm a real "OUTSIDER" your a poser.

You know not my narrative.
I giggle when you accuse me of bible thumping.
I employ religious language because it sets you off.
Your a lot like Dylan, Lennon and Jesus, your sure you got it all figured out.

Nature has one law: "Adapt or Perish"
If I had it all to do over again I wouldn't change a thing.
Your ploy of baiting your friend into betraying you by attacking her
friend was pure unconscious behavior just like writing vast blocks of
text that could be summarized in a sentence such as:
"I still remember that time you wished I had a brain tumor, SHITHEAD!"

If I was busting you right back I'd say...
"Tell us about life in the Big House. Where did you do your time?

Thanks for warning me you hold grudges for decades.
That I understand clearly.
Have you ever killed?
A woman maybe...

Now get out your thermometer and check your temp.
Stay well.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)

From: intraphase@gmail.com

Bob Dylan - Dreamin' of You
https://youtu.be/63Hvny7pX8g


The light
In this place
Is really bad
Like being
In the bottom
Of a stream
Any minute now
I'm expecting
To wake up
From a dream
Miss so much
The softest touch
Like the grave
Of some child child
Who neither wept
Nor smiled
I'm hiding my faith
In the rain
I've been
Dreamin' of you
That's all I do
And it's
Driving me insane
Somewhere dawn
Is breaking
Light is streaking
Across the floor
Church bells
Are ringing
I wonder who
They're ringing for
Travel under any star
You'll see me
Wherever you are
The shadowy past
Is so vague and so vast
I'm sleeping
In the balance of pain
I've been dreamin' of you
That's all I do
But it's
Driving me insane
Maybe they'll get me
Maybe they won't
But whatever
It won't be tonight
I wish your hand
Was in mine right now
We could go
Where the moon is wide
For years
They had me
Locked in a cage
Then they threw me
Onto the stage
Somethings
Just last longer
Then you
Thought they would
And they never
Ever explain
I'm dreamin' of you
That's all I do
And it's
Driving me insane
Well
I eat when I'm hungry
Drink when I'm dry
Live my life
On the square
Even if the flesh
Falls off my face
It won't matter as long
As you're there
Feel like
A ghost in love
Underneath
The heavens above
Feel further away
Then I ever did before
Feel further
Than I can take
Dreamin' of you
That's all I do
But it's
Driving me insane
Everything in the way
Is so shy like the day
In queer and unusual form
Spirals of golden haze here
In there in a blaze
Like beams of light
In a star
Maybe you're here
Or maybe you weren't
Maybe you
Touched somebody
And got burned
The silent sun
Has got me on the run
Burning a hole
In my brain
I'm dreamin' of you
That's all I do
But it's
Driving me insane

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)

From: slider@atashram.com

because just look where we are now? 'this' is where you brought us to??
not good! very petty and completely unreasonable considering the very
'nice' thing i was actually talking about? why were you offended and
mr-chips wasn't? eh?? it's all in that bit heh, your PERSONAL eye of the
needle is right there!)

You stated you were offended by something I said.
If you won't tell me what statement you found offensive
then it is impossible for me to understand your position.
Also impossible to modify, retract or consider apologizing.

### - slight cross purposes above perhaps obscured the issue...

but you surely can't be copping for not knowing what you did??

comparing chris' positive reaction to your own is enough no?

e.g.,

geez, chase after that fucker and you gots your shins kicked to pieces
and you still don't even get a decent kick of the ball? stand still,
however, and the ball comes to you all by itself every now and again for
you to play with?? how very strange!

(his reaction)
this is not doing. very good example for life.
stand your ground, life comes to those who don't push too hard.


your reaction later to my expansion on that:

There is an organizing consciousness that weighs and computates
to find the best path forward for every life form.

### - oh there's 'something' alright: something alive & living! but
whether it calculates, computates and/or weighs things in quite the
same
manner humanity exclusively relates to + imagines (the product of
reason
etc) is highly doubtful...

If it thinks in sound and pictures and it's sub conscious thinks in
a form of mathematics so abstract that we see it everywhere but do not
see it or comprehend it, then...

### - i don't think IT thinks at all! we're the ones doin' all the
thinking and figuring! the rest of Nature doesn't think or figure at
all, it just knows ;)

and because imho that's just us projecting all our own ideas/concepts
etc
onto it; we wanna say 'score a goal' so we imagine/project that life
must
be also doing something very similar, only it's never done that, it
just
is... and works in a way that's beyond rational comprehension so
there's
no need to attribute reason to it except perhaps only to make
'ourselves'
feel better/more-justified in carrying on doing what we're doing...
whereas in truth we (humanity i mean) have been long heading-off on a
tangent to the rest of Nature that has led us away from it...

Slides, calm down brother, you have so many preconceived notions that
any mention of a transcendent reality or experience rankles you a tad
much.

### - am perfectly calm thank you very much heh, calmer than you
actually (far more so than you could possibly know or even believe...)

so please don't start-in telling me there's something 'wrong' with me, insinuating that i've got a problem like that asshole thang ok? else,
and especially in the present context, i'll be forced to accuse you of
merely projecting rather than examining, particularly after already
giving ya's the clue via those stories, and which i can see now you must
have had some small objection to, possibly because i've challenged you
having an agenda and it's actually you that's getting rankled & testy?

(see? don't do it to moi and i wont do it to you ok? and 'coz am
perfectly able to protect myself - fyi & reassurance i wasn't attacking
you but merely following-through with what i'd started via those 2
stories)

Simply put: There is something there, There's a there "there."
The generic idea of free will implies every beings relationship
with that "diffuse totality" of consciousness shall be unique
and different from all others.

### - so you 'reserve' that right for yourself then eh? i will not be
one with Nature because i've gots a better idea??

lol all of humanity has 'ideas' and imho (and experience) that's the
core of their problem! they ALL think their right lol...

that if they'd only stop 'doing' that (or at least not put their 'own'
ideas before everything else, including Nature...) they might just
regain some of their sanity ;)

The only constructs and toy models I use are handcrafted and tested
on every accessible level of the consciousness we find ourselves
embedded in.

### - am not actually asking anyone to cease doin' that, only to leave a crack open in the door am pointing to just in case ok? to bear it
in-mind just in-case Nature 'itself' has a message for you that's being blocked by our own full + detailed agendas...

that we've accordingly risen 'above' nature as we're so fond of
saying/affirming (iow: it still talks to us in its own way only we
don't
fuckin' listen to it anymore! we're far more interested in scoring
goals
we recognise instead...) ;)

I work a five level system Animal Human Truth Eternal Infinite.
The first level is nature and never discarded. I've been anticipating
this virus since 2015, hence the story The Boat. Positioned in the past
and distant future as an information pattern in the "diffuse totality"
I have slightly more influence than a casual player or peruser of the
cosmos.

### - look, there's no need to 'defend' your position so heavily ok?
(you're just digging-in even deeper now)

coz in truth i don't care even a bit what you... think!

those stories, for example, are not about 'thinking' nor the kinds of
things people think about, am just saying that there's quite possibly a
lot more (like maybe even the other 95% of the missing fuckin' universe
lol) to perhaps maybe take on board just 'in-case' there's more to life,
the universe & everything than our puny rational (and ofttimes deranged) minds can even conceive of; and i mean that most literally hah! :)))

***

back to today...

Maybe all this had to occur so I would know all of our
interactions and transactions were seen through a lens
crafted fifteen years ago during a conflict I was but an
observer of.

### - i'd prolly give even jack the ripper a chance or 2 lol so the past
isn't defining the future here + you were more than 'just' an observer 15
years ago; you volunteered to play an active role completely off your own
back uninvited by turning it 3 onto 1... (all that stuff about rbb & ee
was only by way of reminding you etc...)

I remember disrespecting CRSD and regretting it.
I only did it once and I believe he knows I never repeated my mistake.

### - am not aware of that even being relevant to this current exchange... (cross purpose?)

I'm glad you stated your resentment.
I live in the world of cause and effect as high speed "Truth."
I regret any irritation or discomfort that occurred for you and myself.
I was going to decode the song by Bob but felt it was sure to offend.

### - was merely expanding on what had said re 'life' having a silent side
to it beyond reason & language etc, and that sometimes shows us things we
can learn from, that was all...

but next thing you're insinuating i've got some kinda problem because have
too many preconceived ideas... the very 'opposite' of what was even
talking about in the first place?

Things shall get better a tiny bit at a time.
Try not to be so hostile Slides and examine the
thematic structure of what happened with the picture,
and ask yourself if what happened to the picture was the
repetition or reenactment of a pattern from early on.

### - still trying to push it all off onto moi huh? to tell someone there
must be something wrong with them and keep pushing that because you don't
like an idea they suggested? (that's what it seems like anyway) - i act
only from today, the past is a resource of info only not a prompt, don't
even go there...

We reenact our early traumas to resolve them permanently.

### - and that's not kinda patronising either huh?

so oh yeah, your reaction to what i was saying was actually all my fault because i have early trauma issues now?? lol :)))

nooo haha... but you can't be that stupid lol (i know you're not)

If we were in court, I would get a dismissal of your case against me.

### - relax you're even not being sued mate, so ok you didn't like/agree
with the ideas presented & expanded upon, that's fine, but no need to tell
me how i need to calm down because am suffering from too many preconceived ideas lol, i know what am talking about and that ain't it heh...

In the real world I grew up in many people killed many people, I
survived.

### - tsk, am no threat to you, am not the type + can 'only' throw back
what's thrown (i.e., don't throw shit and am virtually helpless to harm
anyone heh, and because for me to be like that and 'invent' shit to throw
would be just the same as rbb & ee; i'd be a hypocrite for advocating one
thing and doing another and that's defo not my style, i never do that,
never start it... (if i start it at all it's only in occasionally
presenting an idea that someone then takes objection to but can't leave it
at that, and only attempts to then debate the subject for the purposes of hurling insults etc; think of dave for the perfect example...)

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)

From: slider@atashram.com

What strikes me as amusing...

You kept all that in your head for 15 years? Maybe the tumor is healed
now!

In the name of the LAWDDD Jeeezazz I place my hands on brother
Slidenstein

and say COME OUT you foul and UNCLEAN spirit.

So I guess I walked away from that argument of fifteen years ago with
a piece of your brain in my pocket. Now you want it back!!!
It's a dried up shriveled old peanut of brain tissue with a movie
of you disrespecting two women in public as if you were beating
your mum and whatever sister aunt or friend she use to leave you with.
Don't you get it Slides, you were reenacting a childhood trauma-drama. Exactly what happened then happened years before and reenacting it
was the only path to setting yourself free.
You chose to hang onto the mistake you made(picture) and the dissension
it caused in the group all these years. I figured you would do that.
I've never under estimated the malevolence you harbor towards life.

I'm a real "OUTSIDER" your a poser.

You know not my narrative.
I giggle when you accuse me of bible thumping.
I employ religious language because it sets you off.
Your a lot like Dylan, Lennon and Jesus, your sure you got it all
figured out.

Nature has one law: "Adapt or Perish"
If I had it all to do over again I wouldn't change a thing.
Your ploy of baiting your friend into betraying you by attacking her
friend was pure unconscious behavior just like writing vast blocks of
text that could be summarized in a sentence such as:
"I still remember that time you wished I had a brain tumor, SHITHEAD!"

If I was busting you right back I'd say...
"Tell us about life in the Big House. Where did you do your time?

Thanks for warning me you hold grudges for decades.
That I understand clearly.
Have you ever killed?
A woman maybe...

Now get out your thermometer and check your temp.
Stay well.

### - ahahaha, the old syntax put-downs eh? (cracking up laffing)

you're not a good psychologist at all lol, so whatever ya do don't give up
the day job will ya :)))

(you actually made me belly laugh there...)

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)

From: intraphase@gmail.com

Your the equivalent of a text bot.
Bringing shit up from fifteen years ago makes you woman.
End of Story.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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From: intraphase@gmail.com

Remember When...
https://youtu.be/bHoqL7DFevc


You used to be like a barrel of monkeys Slides.
All the fun has gone out of you with so much "thinking"

Census Takers
https://youtu.be/FOxisf9-e3E


This plague could have been a lot worse.
It could have ended all life on the Earth
An attitude of gratitude is all it takes to win.


Blues Image - Ride Captain Ride
https://youtu.be/vOKaSr3B_II

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)

From: intraphase@gmail.com

I'm cashing out for today.

Final thoughts.

Bottom line, if you go past three paragraphs I'm not reading it.
It was good to understand your perspective but I'm really only here
to archive posts.

A long time ago you were amusing, now your just bitter.
When the Americans suffered a great tragedy you laughed
and threw rocks at the funeral, pretending to have a "Camus"
moment. Now death from bio-terror is everywhere.

Were you a part of the solution or part of the problem?
It's not as funny when Death comes knocking at your door.

Last thought, what the fuck are you doing up at 6:00 AM

Later punk

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)

From: slider@anashram.com

Your the equivalent of a text bot.
Bringing shit up from fifteen years ago makes you woman.
End of Story.

### - if you say so, whatever...

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)

From: slider@atashram.com

You used to be like a barrel of monkeys Slides.
All the fun has gone out of you with so much "thinking"

### - wtf are you jabbering on about now lol :)))

the whole 'point' of those stories is about NOT thinking! about putting
one's agendas: Away!

about finding the 'middle' way (in the referee story) about there 'being'
a very 'different' way!

Nature's way... not 'our' way! ;)

(iow: 'everything' human beings invent/come up with is fucked! is
'against' Nature ya twit)

you're the one who does all the 'thinking' LOL :)))

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)

From: slider@atashram.com

Last thought, what the fuck are you doing up at 6:00 AM

### - i don't sleep ;)

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)

From: slider@atashram.com

You punched two woman and I ripped your arm of and fucked you with it.
I stand by my violence towards you with Almighty God Creator as
witnesses.
You were a punk assed witch in need of a beating and I beat you hard.
Fifteen years later your still pissed because you don't know how to just
cry it out and let it go little sister.

### - rbb was only one to actually get a dig (ee only got a harmless smack
on the wrist: i shamed her) but rbb drew the first blood and am not
talking about the picture either, that was only rude and unkind, and coz
she was the witch actually, a very spiteful one as i found out...

and yes i retaliated, no one has to put up with that crap, as she then
found out hah!

How long were you in jail for?

### - lol you're insane (you're tryin' to emulate thang now?? ahaha :)))

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)

From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 07:23:17 -0700 (PDT), LowRider44M
<intraphase@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 8:46:18 AM UTC-4, slider wrote:

If there’s a silver lining to the COVID-19 pandemic it may be that the
health crisis, which has resulted in the most drastic economic shutdown in >> Los Angeles history, has also produced the longest stretch of clean air
the city has seen in more than a generation.

?The March 2020 air quality index compiled by the Environmental Protection >> Agency confirms what millions of Angelenos can see just by looking out the >> window: ?the brownish haze that customarily settles atop the city on
weekday afternoons has lifted and visibility has cleared for miles in
every direction since the “safer at home” order was imposed.

A "SANE" system of mass transit would be a good thing.
Instead they attempted a 7 billion high speed railway
from San Francisco to LA. Totally abandoned.

?“And this experience should make that very clear to people who didn’t >> think about it before.”

### - yet another 'message' from Nature re perhaps altering our crappy
behavour...

it's obviously telling/showing us something, a 'silver lining' as the
article says, but are we even listening to it though?

meanwhile, however, our world is quiet & at-rest like someone has pressed
the proverbial pause button!

In my area only half so much.
In USA the states are mini-nations with small army (national guard) >controlled by mini presidents (governors) with each state having
it's own constitution. Here in Massachusetts the infected are monitored >daily, if very sick hospitalized, if in need of food or medicine, it's >provided quickly. My state is the oldest state, where revolution began.

a rare few moments gained in our otherwise obsessive + headlong-flight to
inevitable disaster, and thus a chance to contemplate our future behaviour >> given a comparison we might have never otherwise received?

imho, we'd do well to 'remember' all these unspoken lessons ;)

There is an organizing consciousness that weighs and computates
to find the best path forward for every life form.

Maybe WW1 was a waste of time and Spanish Flu was the push back.
Whenever humanity is pointing a gun at its own head the gun is removed.

Excellent post! "Whenever humanity is pointing a gun at its own head
the gun is removed."

I feel this too. We tend to scrape through over and over. It's not
providence though or God or anything supernatural. It's Gaia raising
its best life form yet, the marvel of dynamic engineering and
sotware/wetware which somehow now contemplates itself and the universe
which made it. Call these epidemics spankings, naughty naughty
lifeform, you don't do that again, let that be a lesson to you.





A human being is a part of the whole, called by us “universe,”
a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his
thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest, a
kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our
personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us.
Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our
circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole
of nature in its beauty.

- ALBERT EINSTEIN


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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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From: intraphase@gmail.com

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 11:48:07 PM UTC-4, slider wrote:

because just look where we are now? 'this' is where you brought us to??
not good! very petty and completely unreasonable considering the very
'nice' thing i was actually talking about? why were you offended and
mr-chips wasn't? eh?? it's all in that bit heh, your PERSONAL eye of the >> needle is right there!)

You stated you were offended by something I said.
If you won't tell me what statement you found offensive
then it is impossible for me to understand your position.
Also impossible to modify, retract or consider apologizing.

### - slight cross purposes above perhaps obscured the issue...

but you surely can't be copping for not knowing what you did??

comparing chris' positive reaction to your own is enough no?

e.g.,

geez, chase after that fucker and you gots your shins kicked to pieces
and you still don't even get a decent kick of the ball? stand still, however, and the ball comes to you all by itself every now and again for you to play with?? how very strange!

(his reaction)
this is not doing. very good example for life.
stand your ground, life comes to those who don't push too hard.

your reaction later to my expansion on that:

There is an organizing consciousness that weighs and computates
to find the best path forward for every life form.

### - oh there's 'something' alright: something alive & living! but
whether it calculates, computates and/or weighs things in quite the
same
manner humanity exclusively relates to + imagines (the product of
reason
etc) is highly doubtful...

If it thinks in sound and pictures and it's sub conscious thinks in
a form of mathematics so abstract that we see it everywhere but do not
see it or comprehend it, then...

### - i don't think IT thinks at all! we're the ones doin' all the
thinking and figuring! the rest of Nature doesn't think or figure at
all, it just knows ;)

and because imho that's just us projecting all our own ideas/concepts
etc
onto it; we wanna say 'score a goal' so we imagine/project that life
must
be also doing something very similar, only it's never done that, it
just
is... and works in a way that's beyond rational comprehension so
there's
no need to attribute reason to it except perhaps only to make
'ourselves'
feel better/more-justified in carrying on doing what we're doing...
whereas in truth we (humanity i mean) have been long heading-off on a
tangent to the rest of Nature that has led us away from it...

Slides, calm down brother, you have so many preconceived notions that
any mention of a transcendent reality or experience rankles you a tad
much.

### - am perfectly calm thank you very much heh, calmer than you
actually (far more so than you could possibly know or even believe...)

so please don't start-in telling me there's something 'wrong' with me, insinuating that i've got a problem like that asshole thang ok? else,
and especially in the present context, i'll be forced to accuse you of merely projecting rather than examining, particularly after already
giving ya's the clue via those stories, and which i can see now you must have had some small objection to, possibly because i've challenged you having an agenda and it's actually you that's getting rankled & testy?

(see? don't do it to moi and i wont do it to you ok? and 'coz am
perfectly able to protect myself - fyi & reassurance i wasn't attacking
you but merely following-through with what i'd started via those 2
stories)

Simply put: There is something there, There's a there "there."
The generic idea of free will implies every beings relationship
with that "diffuse totality" of consciousness shall be unique
and different from all others.

### - so you 'reserve' that right for yourself then eh? i will not be
one with Nature because i've gots a better idea??

lol all of humanity has 'ideas' and imho (and experience) that's the
core of their problem! they ALL think their right lol...

that if they'd only stop 'doing' that (or at least not put their 'own' ideas before everything else, including Nature...) they might just
regain some of their sanity ;)

The only constructs and toy models I use are handcrafted and tested
on every accessible level of the consciousness we find ourselves
embedded in.

### - am not actually asking anyone to cease doin' that, only to leave a crack open in the door am pointing to just in case ok? to bear it
in-mind just in-case Nature 'itself' has a message for you that's being blocked by our own full + detailed agendas...

that we've accordingly risen 'above' nature as we're so fond of
saying/affirming (iow: it still talks to us in its own way only we
don't
fuckin' listen to it anymore! we're far more interested in scoring
goals
we recognise instead...) ;)

I work a five level system Animal Human Truth Eternal Infinite.
The first level is nature and never discarded. I've been anticipating
this virus since 2015, hence the story The Boat. Positioned in the past
and distant future as an information pattern in the "diffuse totality"
I have slightly more influence than a casual player or peruser of the
cosmos.

### - look, there's no need to 'defend' your position so heavily ok? (you're just digging-in even deeper now)

coz in truth i don't care even a bit what you... think!

those stories, for example, are not about 'thinking' nor the kinds of things people think about, am just saying that there's quite possibly a
lot more (like maybe even the other 95% of the missing fuckin' universe lol) to perhaps maybe take on board just 'in-case' there's more to life, the universe & everything than our puny rational (and ofttimes deranged) minds can even conceive of; and i mean that most literally hah! :)))

***

back to today...

Maybe all this had to occur so I would know all of our
interactions and transactions were seen through a lens
crafted fifteen years ago during a conflict I was but an
observer of.

### - i'd prolly give even jack the ripper a chance or 2 lol so the past isn't defining the future here + you were more than 'just' an observer 15 years ago; you volunteered to play an active role completely off your own back uninvited by turning it 3 onto 1... (all that stuff about rbb & ee
was only by way of reminding you etc...)

I remember disrespecting CRSD and regretting it.
I only did it once and I believe he knows I never repeated my mistake.

### - am not aware of that even being relevant to this current exchange... (cross purpose?)

I'm glad you stated your resentment.
I live in the world of cause and effect as high speed "Truth."
I regret any irritation or discomfort that occurred for you and myself.
I was going to decode the song by Bob but felt it was sure to offend.

### - was merely expanding on what had said re 'life' having a silent side
to it beyond reason & language etc, and that sometimes shows us things we
can learn from, that was all...

but next thing you're insinuating i've got some kinda problem because have too many preconceived ideas... the very 'opposite' of what was even
talking about in the first place?

Things shall get better a tiny bit at a time.
Try not to be so hostile Slides and examine the
thematic structure of what happened with the picture,
and ask yourself if what happened to the picture was the
repetition or reenactment of a pattern from early on.

### - still trying to push it all off onto moi huh? to tell someone there must be something wrong with them and keep pushing that because you don't like an idea they suggested? (that's what it seems like anyway) - i act
only from today, the past is a resource of info only not a prompt, don't
even go there...

We reenact our early traumas to resolve them permanently.

### - and that's not kinda patronising either huh?

so oh yeah, your reaction to what i was saying was actually all my fault because i have early trauma issues now?? lol :)))

nooo haha... but you can't be that stupid lol (i know you're not)

If we were in court, I would get a dismissal of your case against me.

### - relax you're even not being sued mate, so ok you didn't like/agree
with the ideas presented & expanded upon, that's fine, but no need to tell
me how i need to calm down because am suffering from too many preconceived ideas lol, i know what am talking about and that ain't it heh...

In the real world I grew up in many people killed many people, I
survived.

### - tsk, am no threat to you, am not the type + can 'only' throw back what's thrown (i.e., don't throw shit and am virtually helpless to harm anyone heh, and because for me to be like that and 'invent' shit to throw would be just the same as rbb & ee; i'd be a hypocrite for advocating one thing and doing another and that's defo not my style, i never do that,
never start it... (if i start it at all it's only in occasionally
presenting an idea that someone then takes objection to but can't leave it
at that, and only attempts to then debate the subject for the purposes of hurling insults etc; think of dave for the perfect example...)

You punched two woman and I ripped your arm of and fucked you with it.
I stand by my violence towards you with Almighty God Creator as witnesses.
You were a punk assed witch in need of a beating and I beat you hard.
Fifteen years later your still pissed because you don't know how to just
cry it out and let it go little sister.

How long were you in jail for?

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 17:54:22 +0100, slider <slider@atashram.com>
wrote:

Once you use the word "reason" I accept the discussion is over.
It's just a word. A word I avoid because there are more nuanced
descriptives.

### - bs... you deliberately killed any 'conversation' by switching to >shooting the messenger instead of discussing the observations more >objectively, you thus attempted to sabotage the line of thought by making
it personal, by deliberately bringing everything down to a lower >shouting-level like that fucking idiot jeremy who couldn't hold a serious >thought (or conversation hah) for more than 30-seconds without crapping >himself in public!

so ok, stay in your petty little push-me-pull-you world, see if i give a
damn what happens to you!

(i gave you a chance didn't i? many actually! which is more than you ever >gave me over all that shit via that cow/thief rbb!)

so please don't talk to me again and expect a response...

we're done + anything you 'do' say/comment will be taken as a personal
attack from now on and dealt with accordingly.

You're cracking up mate. This fella didn't attack you at all. He's
one of the most peaceful types ever on here and I've been posting here
for almost 20 years now. Get a life and get out a bit (oh sorry,
you're in London you can't leave your flat)

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 10:28:45 -0700 (PDT), LowRider44M
<intraphase@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 12:55:16 PM UTC-4, slider wrote:

Once you use the word "reason" I accept the discussion is over.
It's just a word. A word I avoid because there are more nuanced
descriptives.

### - bs... you deliberately killed any 'conversation' by switching to
shooting the messenger instead of discussing the observations more
objectively,

Exactly where did I sully the discussion with an inadequate
level of objectivity. Similar to all beings I have a set of
current perceptual outlooks. I implied nature "thinks" you
implied nature does not think it "knows."

you thus attempted to sabotage the line of thought by making
it personal,

I have no herd, I have no tribe, I am alone always.
So if I made it personal it is because I have no other
mode of cause and effect.

by deliberately bringing everything down to a lower
shouting-level like that fucking idiot jeremy who couldn't hold a serious
thought (or conversation hah) for more than 30-seconds without crapping
himself in public!

I didn't shout, I must have wandered to close to you back
accident and you perceived it as an increase in volume.

Beautiful. Nicely put.

so ok, stay in your petty little push-me-pull-you world, see if i give a
damn what happens to you!

That's projection, and an accurate metaphor to describe it.
In essence you said,
"There is more to the worlds current situation than meets the eye."
In essence I "agreed" with you in a way that you found offensive.
Humor alert: "When I agree with you in the future I'll do it in approved ways."

(i gave you a chance didn't i? many actually! which is more than you ever
gave me over all that shit via that cow/thief rbb!)

RBB In my book of life RBB and Maurice saved my life in my hour of need.
I accept them as essential parts of my narrative, your relations with them >are none of my business. Across the Great Ocean I shall joyfully repay if >allowed. If not I shall stand ready to serve them at a moments notice and >multiply the seed the planted in my narrative many times. I have not judged >them only accepted that what is, is what is, and I experienced humble gratitude.
I haven't heard a peep out of RBB in thirteen years, and the above remains true.

so please don't talk to me again and expect a response...

If you say so Boss.

we're done + anything you 'do' say/comment will be taken as a personal
attack from now on and dealt with accordingly.

I'm still recovering from the virus and didn't have the wherewithal to
argue with you on a point for point basis. For me the pandemic is over.

Can I post other people comments?

Like I said to Thang, this board is a filing system to me, one of many.

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Argument - Eject Button

Don't count your chickens

YouTube and Twitter contain some of the best ways to waste time and rot one’s brain known to man. They also contain rare gems to stimulate and delight. Indeed, watching Nassim Taleb disembowel his intellectual opponents in

real time is the closest one
can get to experiencing the atmosphere of febrile 18th century London coffee houses, or perhaps even ancient Athens.

On a similar note, the other day I was watching on YouTube Eric Weinstein—whom I met with his brother Brett at a convention once briefly in Sydney—discuss everything from pro-wrestling to US elections to cultural preferences to the unfortunate

anatomy of bed bugs, and he also came out with this timely gem.

Tonight, for those who know, is Passover, the ancient Jewish festival which celebrates liberation from slavery in Egypt and avoiding a deadly plague. This year it happens with Jewish communities around the world locked down or under curfew - in order to

avoid a plague. Some irony! (“Why is this Seder night different from all other
Seder nights?”)

As Eric pointed out, this tradition does one basic thing well: it reminds its celebrants every single year that sometimes one needs to get out while the getting is good, even if the bread hasn’t finished rising. Of course, this isn’t literally about

bread. It’s about recognizing that sometimes one needs to accept that the overarching structures around us are wrong, unsustainable, or even dangerous even while they are comfortable: and then it’s time to “move” accordingly
regardless of what can be seen as high costs.

One can interpret that as being brave in markets, as this is a markets Daily, or in life in general. Yet as Eric points out, we are currently surrounded by structures that are not fit for purpose. We have a British PM in intensive care

after plugging
herd immunity and boasting that he shook hand with Coronavirus patients. We have
leading scientists telling us there will be zero, then 250,000, then 5,700 deaths; and Dr Fauci, who is lionized today, was telling us in January and February that COVID was nothing to worry about at all. We have economists arguing the economy needs to
come first at some point - as if opening it up will not see the virus wreak havoc and just end up with it closing down again.

More broadly, we have socioeconomic systems that didn’t work pre-virus. Yet we seem eager to run back to where we were three months ago - when three months

ago many were screaming that mankind was cutting its own throat via global warming; that
inequality was building to dangerous levels; and that so were international tensions.

So what’s the point? First, “eat something, already!” Second, try to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. What really makes sense? What doesn’t? If you had a button to press to eject now, would you? And if you don’t, can you make

one?

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On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 00:42:21 +0100, slider <slider@atashram.com>
wrote:

a rare few moments gained in our otherwise obsessive +

headlong-flight

to
inevitable disaster, and thus a chance to contemplate our future
behaviour
given a comparison we might have never otherwise received?

imho, we'd do well to 'remember' all these unspoken lessons ;)

There is an organizing consciousness that weighs and computates
to find the best path forward for every life form.

### - oh there's 'something' alright: something alive & living! but
whether it calculates, computates and/or weighs things in quite the same >>> manner humanity exclusively relates to + imagines (the product of reason >>> etc) is highly doubtful...

If it thinks in sound and pictures and it's sub conscious thinks in
a form of mathematics so abstract that we see it everywhere but do not
see it or comprehend it, then...

### - i don't think IT thinks at all! we're the ones doin' all the
thinking and figuring! the rest of Nature doesn't think or figure at all,
it just knows ;)

and because imho that's just us projecting all our own ideas/concepts
etc
onto it; we wanna say 'score a goal' so we imagine/project that life
must
be also doing something very similar, only it's never done that, it just >>> is... and works in a way that's beyond rational comprehension so there's >>> no need to attribute reason to it except perhaps only to make
'ourselves'
feel better/more-justified in carrying on doing what we're doing...
whereas in truth we (humanity i mean) have been long heading-off on a
tangent to the rest of Nature that has led us away from it...

Slides, calm down brother, you have so many preconceived notions that
any mention of a transcendent reality or experience rankles you a tad
much.

### - am perfectly calm thank you very much heh, calmer than you actually >(far more so than you could possibly know or even believe...)

so please don't start-in telling me there's something 'wrong' with me, >insinuating that i've got a problem like that asshole thang ok

Be nice, cunt. It's "arsehole" pal, not "asshole". And your
invective doesn't suit that nice, quiet pommy voice of yours - some
sort of cognitive dissonance there, perhaps?

I never insinuated either, I stated it point blank. You lie like
nobody I've encountered - an IQ of 160+ mate, really?? Bets you have
no intention of paying off if you lose. Got lotsa nice dope but when
Dav-o and I posted pics of our little stashes, you opted out.

Have I mentioned you're a hypocrite to boot?


? else, and

especially in the present context, i'll be forced to accuse you of merely >projecting rather than examining, particularly after already giving ya's
the clue via those stories, and which i can see now you must have had some >small objection to, possibly because i've challenged you having an agenda
and it's actually you that's getting rankled & testy?

(see? don't do it to moi and i wont do it to you ok? and 'coz am perfectly >able to protect myself - fyi & reassurance i wasn't attacking you but
merely following-through with what i'd started via those 2 stories)

Yeh, you *were* attacking him. You attacked me, you attacked Dav-o,
now you're attacking him. You attacked that bloke from Magick as well (Bassos?) and many others. Every port of call you spread lies and
hypocrisy. You're an embittered quasi-man who wishes the world would
end, but it ain't gonna, it's just a change in social order. However,
the change in social order has stopped the filth going into the air
and amy possibility of nuclear war. Who can push red buttons when the
very air carries lethal replicating spores and particles?

Simply put: There is something there, There's a there "there."
The generic idea of free will implies every beings relationship
with that "diffuse totality" of consciousness shall be unique
and different from all others.

### - so you 'reserve' that right for yourself then eh? i will not be one >with Nature because i've gots a better idea??

lol all of humanity has 'ideas' and imho (and experience) that's the core
of their problem! they ALL think their right lol...

And you don't? You're one of the most inflexible rigid tight arsed
cunts I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. No wonder you
spend your days in utter solitude.

that if they'd only stop 'doing' that (or at least not put their 'own'
ideas before everything else, including Nature...) they might just regain >some of their sanity ;)

The only constructs and toy models I use are handcrafted and tested
on every accessible level of the consciousness we find ourselves
embedded in.

### - am not actually asking anyone to cease doin' that, only to leave a >crack open in the door am pointing to just in case ok? to bear it in-mind >just in-case Nature 'itself' has a message for you that's being blocked by >our own full + detailed agendas...

Nature doesn't have messages. Evolution is blind, natural selection
is blind and adaptation is blind (well, except for humans). It has
something to homeostatic balance, when something is out of kilter,
like us at the moment, it bliindly but very effectively rights the
balance. Like now, for instance.

that we've accordingly risen 'above' nature as we're so fond of
saying/affirming (iow: it still talks to us in its own way only we don't >>> fuckin' listen to it anymore! we're far more interested in scoring goals >>> we recognise instead...) ;)

I work a five level system Animal Human Truth Eternal Infinite.
The first level is nature and never discarded. I've been anticipating
this virus since 2015, hence the story The Boat. Positioned in the past
and distant future as an information pattern in the "diffuse totality"
I have slightly more influence than a casual player or peruser of the
cosmos.

### - look, there's no need to 'defend' your position so heavily ok?
(you're just digging-in even deeper now)

coz in truth i don't care even a bit what you... think!

How fucking rude. As if anyone gives a royal shit what you care for,
or don't.

those stories, for example, are not about 'thinking' nor the kinds of
things people think about, am just saying that there's quite possibly a
lot more (like maybe even the other 95% of the missing fuckin' universe
lol) to perhaps maybe take on board just 'in-case' there's more to life,
the universe & everything than our puny rational (and ofttimes deranged) >minds can even conceive of; and i mean that most literally hah! :)))

It's about building or rebuilding ones own private realm-boat-self.
All that you know from dreaming about managing cause and effect
strategies.

### - imho & experience, we have to put all such 'personal' agendas
completely aside or we don't even see/hear the presented messages being
offered, i.e., being either for or against something (anything!) means
we
don't then ever get to see things from the referees' far more detached + >>> unbiased pov for instance; something, an alternate pov, which ultimately >>> equates with unbiased wisdom ;)

I have found through experience there is one "'personal' agendas"
that the "diffuse totality" tolerates supports and shall promote
if a conscious being seeks its counsel and very very occasional
direct intervention, that agenda is "pure survival."

It's that level of "diffuse totality" that turned Mandela from
a terrorist into a peace maker establishing universal freedom in
the realm he served as an agency of change for.

Building a boat and setting sail on the great ocean of the infinite
is the antithesis of a personal agenda, it is a final goodbye to the
hindrance of the human form and worlds of irrelevant experiences.

### - look, even the buddhists have to 'get-off' the road in the end if
they wanna actually 'realise' the teachings as opposed to merely jerking >themselves off with a bunch of fancy dressed-up concepts no?

what's so difficult to understand about that??

we ALL come from the world of agendas! from the most simple to the most >complex & convoluted, but am betting Nature doesn't give 2-hoots for any
of what we may or may not come up with no matter how clever-seeming? that >it's only US humans that does all that, that no other being on this planet >does that 'except' us! we've collectively lost the thread see?

What made you such a fucking embittered misanthropist? Did you get
butt fucked at the Catholic School or something?

I'm just passing through this world, testing boat designs.
I know any player who gains the power to access 0D-1D-2D.
They all know my real name, in reply I say "Loose lips sink ships"
A trope-idiom from seamen not wanting to be torpedoed.

### - so you're the 'special' man then eh?

well, in your own world maybe, but compared to the vastness of Nature
we're all just 'microbes' maan, and what we do or think just doesn't
matter one iota compared to the vastness of the cosmos, it's just all in
our heads see, endless versions of shit... none of it true ;)

So personal agendas and reliance on "reason" are not valid when
alone in the 0D-1D-2D, it's all instinct and intuition based the same
way a human body has a trillion cells, and each cell has a trillion
atoms and each atom has a trillion neutrinos. Consciousness here in 3D &
4D
is a rare event because to be conscious a being must be on 0D-1D-2D-3D-4D
simultaneously. Best way to do that is achieve silence and translate
the received flow into an acceptable medium, or simply perceive and enjoy
the flow of the flowing flows.

### - you opened your mouth and all that crap just fell out but it doesn't >mean a goddamn thing: to Nature! (which was my point so leave me out of it >heh)

get it? this ISN'T about me or you personally! but here you are putting >yourself in the frame and trying to drag me down with ya!

i do get it though heh; like most people you're scared that Nature, if it >'has' any messages for us at all that we 'could' perhaps perceive, might,
if ya listened, if ya gave it a chance, might just tell/show ya to go do >something completely different to what you 'think' you should be doing? (i >can see how that might be scary...)

perhaps because you've invested so much of yourself in it all, who
knows... but the stuff i was talkin' about via those stories that has >apparently rattled you so much (enough to launch a flank-attack on yours >truly anyway when we was apparently getting along so fine i mean...
(although heh i did wonder how it was all lasting quite so long, maybe >because of the virus subject whatever...)

i.e., those 'stories' take the 'ME' right outta the frame altogether to
where Nature: is!

there's no 'room' for a 'me' in them!

and now here you are waving your 'me' in my face + trying to prove how >there's summat wrong with my me?? LOL :))

fuck off with that crap! (and i mean that with the deepest respect haha)

:D

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 19:50:04 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

RBB In my book of life RBB and Maurice saved my life in my hour of need.
I accept them as essential parts of my narrative, your relations with
them are none of my business.

### - you say that now but is not what you actually... did?

when they were attacking me i took most of it in good humour, i just had
to dance a whole lot more lol, slider was rockin' & a-rollin' heh but was >eventually forced to protect myself, at which point you then jumped
firmly-in on their side lending your own weight to that increasingly
vicious attack!

they had started the row after all; i was just having a little harmless
fun with ee (peep-bo!) who then quite unjustifiably started to get very
mean by publishing a photo of me i'd given to rbb in strict confidence?
when rbb then jumped-in to defend her friend (after all, she was the one >who'd gotten her friend into trouble by passing her that photo in the
first place) her comment at the time to me was: i'd wondered why you took
so long to say something about it? (i.e., she was clearly expecting a >response, and after i'd then waited 3 days before pulling ee up on it over
a copyrights issue and insisting on her mutilating her collage or getting >sued hah (just a little bit of bs on my part hah) something ee was really >personally BIG on LOL; she was the copyrights queen! so all shame to her
the hypocrite etc, which yes crushed her a bit...)

and 'should' have been left at that only rbb couldn't leave it at that, it >became all a matter of her stupid pride now? and that's where she started >getting 'really' mean with some pretty horrible vibes going back & forth
(and again she started it all with her mythical needles & sticking-pins
etc!) you jumping-in at that point with some pretty fuckin' horrible vibes
of your own!

and while i wouldn't usually bother ever talking again to someone who even >'imagined' he's chucking 'tumours' about (yes tumours lol) fyi your shit >bounced harmlessly off and defo returned to sender! go figure hah!

a case of: whoo-flung-dung strikes again and Truth prevails! :)))

Virtual nonsense. Have you ever had a tiff with anyone face to face?
Ever? Had to stand your ground? Copped a knuckle in the face? Or
given one? I had one prick t-bone my car about 8 years ago, tried to
kill me while I was standing at the door. Crushed the car, but not
me.

I barely remember these events. Yet you still seethe over some
virtual, electronic digital repartee more than a decade ago, you still
remember it. You poor sap, usenet and other virtual crap seems to be
your only lifeline to reality, but it ain't reality.

Reality is going down the pub, living with a woman and smelling her
scent on the pillow and clothing, having a cold beer with mates or
passing by your relatives to see some of your bipedal DNA
repositories. The best part is the woman though, ain't no life for a
man if it doesn't have a woman in it.

Across the Great Ocean I shall joyfully repay if
allowed. If not I shall stand ready to serve them at a moments notice and
multiply the seed the planted in my narrative many times. I have not
judged
them only accepted that what is, is what is, and I experienced humble
gratitude.
I haven't heard a peep out of RBB in thirteen years, and the above
remains true.

### - the 'only' reason i ever talked to you again, at all, was because
i'd figured you were only really, albeit rather ignorantly, standing up
for your friend rbb, even though you didn't seem to care that she'd in
fact started it all?

i mean, as a 'friend' you 'should' have perhaps been telling her not to DO >such wicked shit in the first place? and because that would have likely >helped her a lot more in the long run instead of what eventually happened
to her? (she easily lost the war and got fucked right up!)

and that's basically your fault too!

so you actually owe her a LOT more than you perhaps realise bud! you could >have ended it! saved her ass! but only made it worse?? (possibly even
fatal)

as it goes, it was vinny that ended it hehe (good 'ole vinny...) with his >peace-candle? (have always favoured him after that heh) plus wasn't at all >surprised that he eventually found something 'genuine' to write about... >(good man that vinny! climbed ALL the way to the top of that thunder
mountain of his hah, even after wicked-jeremy's attempts to bulldoze it
flat + drive a wedge between us, very cool how that all turned out; jeremy >got bulldozed/fucked instead lol, ahhh the poetic justice of it all, it
can be beautiful sometimes...)

needless to say relations between you & i have been somewhat strained
since that time ("no bills outstanding" you said recently? only that's >obviously not true considering just how quick you were to turn on me in a >moment during an otherwise completely harmless conversation in an effort
to demean the things i was talking about/suggesting, you should have just >left it alone if you felt like that but couldn't...)

why didn't chris feel a need to take similar offense too for example? his >reaction was completely the opposite of yours to those stories?? (he read
it correctly iow, whereas all 'you' felt was personally threatened...)

so no, it's just you... and cretins like jeremy & thang! - idiots more >interested in 'themselves' than Reality! duh! hypocrites! the most
mindless thing there is!

You're irredeemably stupid. I reckon your IQ is subpar, perhaps 90 if
you're lucky. Pot calling the kettle black, yeah?

the VERY thing that's destroying the world: human selfishness in all it's >crappy glory!

Well it's nice to have a bit of money in this difficult time.

the rest is history...

(all that lot's gots to go ya know. It's the meek who'll inherit the >earth...)

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Thu, 09 Apr 2020 01:24:32 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

I read this thoroughly 2X to hear you out.
I remember the incidents you just narrated.

If you want guy to guy advice.

1. You should never have given your picture out.

### - that was indeed my mistake; via emails we'd talked and exchanged
quite a bit, little did i realise she was merely sussing me out, but
having no ill intentions myself i didn't see the harm in it, the photo
(and other things) being my signaling to her that i was friendly and
didn't actually want anything, she was very helpful for example, when it
came to finding someone technical to help construct that webcam server,
all seemed to go well...

2. You shouldn't have been having fun at EE's expense.

### - incorrect, i certainly wasn't having fun at anyone's expense (have >never done that even once to anyone in all these years, am not like that + >don't have any axes to grind), let alone hers...)

rather, it is just my way of getting to know + interact with someone + all >was going well until she took objection to something i said/suggested re >life, the universe & everything; she argued her case well (about something >pretty daft i think, some unreal belief or another) but took umbrage when
she started losing the debate, the better argument/reality was winning was >all but she couldn't accept that and advance herself, and so started
getting a bit nasty as unreasonable people often do...

in my usual humourous manner

Bwahahahahahhhahahaha Bwahahahhahahahahhah <gasp> bawahahahahahahahah



i rolled with the punches dodging her blows

while she attempted to hide behind certain things (peep-bo!) she couldn't >possibly win the debate + not being able to 'accept' that (just like you >today) she was resorting instead to insults and only making herself look
even more lame! she's proud!

rbb stupidly + completely unnecessarily came to her aid when, in reality, >ee's whole argument was untenable and because i wasn't actually trying to >hurt her any, just pointing out that is was stupid to not only deny the >results of the debate but to now also go on the offensive to protect an >untenable argument... but between them behind the scenes they cooked up
the exposure of the photo (let's really wound the fucker for real! and
beat him that way!)

the tone changed somewhat after that heh, now they were making themselves
my enemy simply & solely because ee's point was too weak to succeed, but
they didn't care about that, however, and went instead into a >brute-force-mode to win, not the debate because that was impossible, but
just to give me a hiding because ee felt insulted for defending such a
weak point in the first place and it all coming out in the course of the >debate that's she's basically an idiot for believing such crap in the
first place; so they decided to punish me!

unfortunately for them 'right' was on my side, i'd done nada wrong; i'd >already won the debate and what it all became about 'now' (what they
together turned it into) was ee being unwilling to accept her loss in good >grace + rbb being willing to help her punish me even though she was
clearly in the wrong to begin with, they both were now!

if i was guilty of anything it was only that of being in the right (about >aspects of reality) and standing my ground + defending that greater-right >that had emerged from the debate...

there wasn't much i could do about the photo, but could still shame her
for being the twit both she & rbb had now turned into, their house was
built on pure sand and illusion but for some stubborn reason of their own >(obviously not a sane one) they decided to go all-in on destroying yours >truly instead, and at which point you then decided to try and help turn
the tide in their favour: it was now 3 onto one!

Jeez. I must find that photo. I can publish it then along with your
address and car registration. Lol.

not being someone to just lay down & die i perforce protected myself +
cannot then be held responsible for what happens if something invokes my
(or anyones) innate/instinctive sense of self-preservation... needless to
say they (and you) didn't succeed! all three of you're positions were >completely untenable to begin with!

I'm your acquaintance, were not friends or associates
by your own decision and I respect that. Proof is neither
you nor I have ever exchanged emails.

### - no emails because it never got to that before you bailed, we did >however have very long exchanges on here over a few months (i remember
them all heh) talking about all sorts of interesting things! you too
didn't like some of the things i was saying/suggesting but seemed to find
it stimulating enough to continue, and even lashed out a couple of times
at me in frustration, but via my being able to dodge it enough there was
no harm done, i thought we had quite stimulating exchanges! you could be
most reasonable/educated sometimes (unlike ee) so you never took it too
far and that was just fine! you grumbled a bit sometimes but didn't make
some big deal out of it like ee was doing...

You never really knew Daniela or Dave.

### - i had 'very' long exchanges with them over the years and like to
think i got to know them both quite well... even to exchanging many
emails, pictures, paintings with rbb, she even gave me a picture of hers
i'd liked as a possible book cover! i made a point of getting to know her!

You never took their narratives seriously.

### - incorrect... i always took them (and everyone actually) very
seriously indeed! still do! human beings all, buried up to their necks in >shit, how can i just stand idly by and do nada!

You weaponized any information you culled.

### - bs... i have no such axes to grind, never did and never will, was
free of all that before ever even coming here heh... i have no such
agenda...

I'm surprised you could speak of Daniela and wish her harm still,
over an event from 15 years ago approximately.

### - have never wished her harm, completely the opposite actually, that
even after all that was blown-over i still talked to her + offered her
good things (the japanese tea ceremony for example, a zen thing, she liked >that!)

You still haven't listed exactly what I said.
It's a simple matter of cutting and pasting so
I can review as opposed to weaponize some narrative
component.

### - you 'can' do that but often don't bother, you'd rather sneer and >belittle than debate (just like dave) as your most recent 'move' proves?
in truth i was indeed testing you but also offering you something of >potentially great value... but rather than even 'look' at that too close
you chose to crap on it (and me) instead... you know better! but remain >incapable of backing up your arguments and so resort to completely >unnecessary invective/deflection, and very nasty with it too i might add! >because just look where we are now? 'this' is where you brought us to??
not good! very petty and completely unreasonable considering the very
'nice' thing i was actually talking about? why were you offended and
mr-chips wasn't? eh?? it's all in that bit heh, your PERSONAL eye of the >needle is right there!)

You're completely fucked. This guy has never sneered at anyone. He's
not the sneering type. He's not aggressive or belligerent. He does
what he preaches, he's calm and quiet. How can you possibly say that
about him?

By all means say shit about me, I could care less. Water off a duck's
back. But leave this fella alone. He's like an old hippy who never
lost his hippy outlook.

One of the reasons Jesus says love your enemies is
you might one day discover they weren't your enemy.
Then there's less debris on the beaches of each cosmos.

### - oh ffs, please don't bring fucking 'jesus' into this? LOL :)))

coz he ain't ever gonna help ya win an untenable/unreal argument, one
where you're clearly in the wrong! (the greater truth always wins in the
end i mean)

i.e., there was absolutely nada wrong with what i was suggesting/saying,
you just didn't like it for very personal + erroneously fucked up reasons
of your own! your precious prior agenda! so keep it already!

You have entirely lost the plot Brian. You have cooked your cerebrum.
You have meddled with the medulla, cracked the cranium.

When I finish the aircraft carrier thread I'll go on hiatus.
I think your brain overheated and you lashed out at me, that's all.
I understand your technical explanations and wish you peace and strength.


I'll fuck off now.

Sorta...

Kinda...

Mostly...

### - i think 'your' brain overheated lol, am perfectly cool, unchanged :)

whereas you messed yourself badly when faced/presented with a greater
truth!

Little, little man of no consequence. You always lose your temper.
You have no patience at all. You have mental health issues of a major
type. This coronavirus solitude will be the end of you.

a very 'simple' truth that's just very hard to accept when one is filled
to the brim with a prior agenda as you are...

no one was 'forcing' you to accept it, you 'could' have just let it go as >just being one of sliders silly stories etc, but no you didn't 'want' to >accept it even though it's obviously more correct! (and you know it too!)

the 'problem' being that you'd have to abandon your 'own' agenda in order
to adopt it! you could have just kept your mouth shut? but felt sooo >threatened by such a simple concept you had to say something quite nasty??

smile, but which in some ways at any rate, means you must then have
actually heard it to have even 'felt' so threatened heh, and that's cool,
the 'message' (in that sense) was delivered! (was signed for heh, so ya
can't say ya never received it...)

and maybe you can live the rest of your life in denial 'of' that greater >Truth (that's entirely up to you innit) but you 'did' hear it! and that's >really all that fuckin' matters from my pov!

perforce the 'choice' is yours & yours alone what you do 'with' that >information...

it doesn't personally affect me one way or the other...

it's your problem now not mine...

my job is done :)

Holy fuck, what twaddle. Can you hear yourself? My god...

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 21:05:47 -0700 (PDT), LowRider44M
<intraphase@gmail.com> wrote:

Your the equivalent of a text bot.
Bringing shit up from fifteen years ago makes you woman.
End of Story.

Woman basher. Me, I'm woman fucker (me and a little viagra, lol)...

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On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 20:36:11 -0700 (PDT), LowRider44M
<intraphase@gmail.com> wrote:

What strikes me as amusing...

You kept all that in your head for 15 years? Maybe the tumor is healed now!

In the name of the LAWDDD Jeeezazz I place my hands on brother Slidenstein

and say COME OUT you foul and UNCLEAN spirit.

Lol. This is priceless.

So I guess I walked away from that argument of fifteen years ago with
a piece of your brain in my pocket. Now you want it back!!!
It's a dried up shriveled old peanut of brain tissue with a movie
of you disrespecting two women in public as if you were beating
your mum and whatever sister aunt or friend she use to leave you with.
Don't you get it Slides, you were reenacting a childhood trauma-drama. >Exactly what happened then happened years before and reenacting it
was the only path to setting yourself free.
You chose to hang onto the mistake you made(picture) and the dissension
it caused in the group all these years. I figured you would do that.
I've never under estimated the malevolence you harbor towards life.

I'm a real "OUTSIDER" your a poser.

You got that right.

You know not my narrative.
I giggle when you accuse me of bible thumping.
I employ religious language because it sets you off.
Your a lot like Dylan, Lennon and Jesus, your sure you got it all figured out.

Nature has one law: "Adapt or Perish"
If I had it all to do over again I wouldn't change a thing.
Your ploy of baiting your friend into betraying you by attacking her
friend was pure unconscious behavior just like writing vast blocks of
text that could be summarized in a sentence such as:
"I still remember that time you wished I had a brain tumor, SHITHEAD!"

Did he really? How unutterably nasty and mean...

If I was busting you right back I'd say...
"Tell us about life in the Big House. Where did you do your time?

Is that metaphoric or has he really been to jail?

Thanks for warning me you hold grudges for decades.
That I understand clearly.
Have you ever killed?
A woman maybe...

Lol. Probably. Slimy sort of bloke he is.

Now get out your thermometer and check your temp.
Stay well.

Yeah, right :)

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 21:13:40 -0700 (PDT), LowRider44M
<intraphase@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 11:48:07 PM UTC-4, slider wrote:

because just look where we are now? 'this' is where you brought us to?? >> >> not good! very petty and completely unreasonable considering the very
'nice' thing i was actually talking about? why were you offended and
mr-chips wasn't? eh?? it's all in that bit heh, your PERSONAL eye of the >> >> needle is right there!)

You stated you were offended by something I said.
If you won't tell me what statement you found offensive
then it is impossible for me to understand your position.
Also impossible to modify, retract or consider apologizing.

### - slight cross purposes above perhaps obscured the issue...

but you surely can't be copping for not knowing what you did??

comparing chris' positive reaction to your own is enough no?

e.g.,

geez, chase after that fucker and you gots your shins kicked to pieces
and you still don't even get a decent kick of the ball? stand still,
however, and the ball comes to you all by itself every now and again for >> > you to play with?? how very strange!

(his reaction)
this is not doing. very good example for life.
stand your ground, life comes to those who don't push too hard.


your reaction later to my expansion on that:

There is an organizing consciousness that weighs and computates
to find the best path forward for every life form.

### - oh there's 'something' alright: something alive & living! but
whether it calculates, computates and/or weighs things in quite the
same
manner humanity exclusively relates to + imagines (the product of
reason
etc) is highly doubtful...

If it thinks in sound and pictures and it's sub conscious thinks in
a form of mathematics so abstract that we see it everywhere but do not
see it or comprehend it, then...

### - i don't think IT thinks at all! we're the ones doin' all the
thinking and figuring! the rest of Nature doesn't think or figure at
all, it just knows ;)

and because imho that's just us projecting all our own ideas/concepts
etc
onto it; we wanna say 'score a goal' so we imagine/project that life
must
be also doing something very similar, only it's never done that, it
just
is... and works in a way that's beyond rational comprehension so
there's
no need to attribute reason to it except perhaps only to make
'ourselves'
feel better/more-justified in carrying on doing what we're doing...
whereas in truth we (humanity i mean) have been long heading-off on a
tangent to the rest of Nature that has led us away from it...

Slides, calm down brother, you have so many preconceived notions that
any mention of a transcendent reality or experience rankles you a tad
much.

### - am perfectly calm thank you very much heh, calmer than you
actually (far more so than you could possibly know or even believe...)

so please don't start-in telling me there's something 'wrong' with me,
insinuating that i've got a problem like that asshole thang ok? else,
and especially in the present context, i'll be forced to accuse you of
merely projecting rather than examining, particularly after already
giving ya's the clue via those stories, and which i can see now you must >> > have had some small objection to, possibly because i've challenged you
having an agenda and it's actually you that's getting rankled & testy?

(see? don't do it to moi and i wont do it to you ok? and 'coz am
perfectly able to protect myself - fyi & reassurance i wasn't attacking
you but merely following-through with what i'd started via those 2
stories)

Simply put: There is something there, There's a there "there."
The generic idea of free will implies every beings relationship
with that "diffuse totality" of consciousness shall be unique
and different from all others.

### - so you 'reserve' that right for yourself then eh? i will not be
one with Nature because i've gots a better idea??

lol all of humanity has 'ideas' and imho (and experience) that's the
core of their problem! they ALL think their right lol...

that if they'd only stop 'doing' that (or at least not put their 'own'
ideas before everything else, including Nature...) they might just
regain some of their sanity ;)

The only constructs and toy models I use are handcrafted and tested
on every accessible level of the consciousness we find ourselves
embedded in.

### - am not actually asking anyone to cease doin' that, only to leave a >> > crack open in the door am pointing to just in case ok? to bear it
in-mind just in-case Nature 'itself' has a message for you that's being
blocked by our own full + detailed agendas...

that we've accordingly risen 'above' nature as we're so fond of
saying/affirming (iow: it still talks to us in its own way only we
don't
fuckin' listen to it anymore! we're far more interested in scoring
goals
we recognise instead...) ;)

I work a five level system Animal Human Truth Eternal Infinite.
The first level is nature and never discarded. I've been anticipating
this virus since 2015, hence the story The Boat. Positioned in the past >> >> and distant future as an information pattern in the "diffuse totality"
I have slightly more influence than a casual player or peruser of the
cosmos.

### - look, there's no need to 'defend' your position so heavily ok?
(you're just digging-in even deeper now)

coz in truth i don't care even a bit what you... think!

those stories, for example, are not about 'thinking' nor the kinds of
things people think about, am just saying that there's quite possibly a
lot more (like maybe even the other 95% of the missing fuckin' universe
lol) to perhaps maybe take on board just 'in-case' there's more to life, >> > the universe & everything than our puny rational (and ofttimes deranged) >> > minds can even conceive of; and i mean that most literally hah! :)))

***

back to today...

Maybe all this had to occur so I would know all of our
interactions and transactions were seen through a lens
crafted fifteen years ago during a conflict I was but an
observer of.

### - i'd prolly give even jack the ripper a chance or 2 lol so the past
isn't defining the future here + you were more than 'just' an observer 15
years ago; you volunteered to play an active role completely off your own
back uninvited by turning it 3 onto 1... (all that stuff about rbb & ee
was only by way of reminding you etc...)

I remember disrespecting CRSD and regretting it.
I only did it once and I believe he knows I never repeated my mistake.

### - am not aware of that even being relevant to this current exchange... >> (cross purpose?)

I'm glad you stated your resentment.
I live in the world of cause and effect as high speed "Truth."
I regret any irritation or discomfort that occurred for you and myself.
I was going to decode the song by Bob but felt it was sure to offend.

### - was merely expanding on what had said re 'life' having a silent side >> to it beyond reason & language etc, and that sometimes shows us things we
can learn from, that was all...

but next thing you're insinuating i've got some kinda problem because have >> too many preconceived ideas... the very 'opposite' of what was even
talking about in the first place?

Things shall get better a tiny bit at a time.
Try not to be so hostile Slides and examine the
thematic structure of what happened with the picture,
and ask yourself if what happened to the picture was the
repetition or reenactment of a pattern from early on.

### - still trying to push it all off onto moi huh? to tell someone there
must be something wrong with them and keep pushing that because you don't
like an idea they suggested? (that's what it seems like anyway) - i act
only from today, the past is a resource of info only not a prompt, don't
even go there...

We reenact our early traumas to resolve them permanently.

### - and that's not kinda patronising either huh?

so oh yeah, your reaction to what i was saying was actually all my fault
because i have early trauma issues now?? lol :)))

nooo haha... but you can't be that stupid lol (i know you're not)

If we were in court, I would get a dismissal of your case against me.

### - relax you're even not being sued mate, so ok you didn't like/agree
with the ideas presented & expanded upon, that's fine, but no need to tell >> me how i need to calm down because am suffering from too many preconceived >> ideas lol, i know what am talking about and that ain't it heh...

In the real world I grew up in many people killed many people, I
survived.

### - tsk, am no threat to you, am not the type + can 'only' throw back
what's thrown (i.e., don't throw shit and am virtually helpless to harm
anyone heh, and because for me to be like that and 'invent' shit to throw
would be just the same as rbb & ee; i'd be a hypocrite for advocating one
thing and doing another and that's defo not my style, i never do that,
never start it... (if i start it at all it's only in occasionally
presenting an idea that someone then takes objection to but can't leave it >> at that, and only attempts to then debate the subject for the purposes of
hurling insults etc; think of dave for the perfect example...)

You punched two woman and I ripped your arm of and fucked you with it.
I stand by my violence towards you with Almighty God Creator as witnesses. >You were a punk assed witch in need of a beating and I beat you hard.
Fifteen years later your still pissed because you don't know how to just
cry it out and let it go little sister.

How long were you in jail for?

What did he do, really hit a couple of frails? What a man. Fuck, I
hate women bashers. Caught one once, a few years back, hospitalised
him but good.

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Thu, 09 Apr 2020 04:52:29 +0100, slider <slider@atashram.com>
wrote:

What strikes me as amusing...

You kept all that in your head for 15 years? Maybe the tumor is healed
now!

In the name of the LAWDDD Jeeezazz I place my hands on brother
Slidenstein

and say COME OUT you foul and UNCLEAN spirit.

So I guess I walked away from that argument of fifteen years ago with
a piece of your brain in my pocket. Now you want it back!!!
It's a dried up shriveled old peanut of brain tissue with a movie
of you disrespecting two women in public as if you were beating
your mum and whatever sister aunt or friend she use to leave you with.
Don't you get it Slides, you were reenacting a childhood trauma-drama.
Exactly what happened then happened years before and reenacting it
was the only path to setting yourself free.
You chose to hang onto the mistake you made(picture) and the dissension
it caused in the group all these years. I figured you would do that.
I've never under estimated the malevolence you harbor towards life.

I'm a real "OUTSIDER" your a poser.

You know not my narrative.
I giggle when you accuse me of bible thumping.
I employ religious language because it sets you off.
Your a lot like Dylan, Lennon and Jesus, your sure you got it all
figured out.

Nature has one law: "Adapt or Perish"
If I had it all to do over again I wouldn't change a thing.
Your ploy of baiting your friend into betraying you by attacking her
friend was pure unconscious behavior just like writing vast blocks of
text that could be summarized in a sentence such as:
"I still remember that time you wished I had a brain tumor, SHITHEAD!"

If I was busting you right back I'd say...
"Tell us about life in the Big House. Where did you do your time?

Thanks for warning me you hold grudges for decades.
That I understand clearly.
Have you ever killed?
A woman maybe...

Now get out your thermometer and check your temp.
Stay well.

### - ahahaha, the old syntax put-downs eh? (cracking up laffing)

you're not a good psychologist at all lol, so whatever ya do don't give up >the day job will ya :)))

(you actually made me belly laugh there...)

You've just been PWNED!


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