• more clarity on how this virus works

    From slider@1:229/2 to All on Monday, April 06, 2020 09:25:17
    From: slider@anashram.com

    Boris Johnson's hospital admission suggests virus may have progressed

    It is unlikely the prime minister will have been admitted unless doctors
    have real concerns

    Most people recover from Covid-19 within a week and cannot even be certain
    they had it, as they probably won’t be tested. The advice is to stay home, rest and take paracetamol. In 80% of cases, that is the end of it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/johnsons-hospital-admission-suggests-virus-may-have-progressed

    But NHS advice is that if the symptoms – mainly the dry cough, temperature and fatigue – have not gone by the end of a week, or they get worse,
    people should seek medical help.

    Unlike Matt Hancock, the health secretary, who revealed he had Covid-19 on
    the same day as the prime minister, Boris Johnson has not recovered within
    the first week. He is said to have been admitted to hospital for tests,
    which may include scans of his lungs to check for pneumonia, as well as
    blood tests. He had a diagnostic test for Covid-19, so doctors will be
    looking for progression of the disease and to establish that he has not
    entered the second phase, where the immune system goes into overdrive.

    Given the increasing pressure on hospitals at the moment, it is unlikely
    he will have been admitted unless doctors have real concerns. Minor tests
    could be carried out in Downing Street.

    Early guidelines from the National Institute for Health and Care
    Excellence (Nice) suggest the following symptoms may help a doctor to
    decide whether a patient with Covid-19 should go to hospital:

    Severe shortness of breath at rest or difficulty breathing.

    Coughing up blood.

    Blue lips or face.

    Feeling cold and clammy with pale or mottled skin.

    Collapse or fainting (syncope).

    New confusion.

    Becoming difficult to rouse.

    Little or no urine output.

    In the first week, people who are fit and healthy, with a robust immune
    system, will usually fight off the virus. But the problems come for some
    people in the second week, when their immune system overreacts to the
    virus and ends up attacking the body’s own organs. That is why the most seriously ill can end up on life support machines with organ failure.

    Chinese data showed that 20% of patients went to hospital. Some 15% had
    severe disease, which involved breathing difficulties and hypoxia, where
    some of the tissues of the body are not getting an adequate oxygen supply.
    That can manifest in anxiety, confusion and restlessness.

    Only 5% ended up in critical care, with such severe illness that they
    needed organ support. Ventilators can take over the patient’s breathing,
    to allow the lungs time to recover. But patients could also need support
    for their heart, liver and kidneys – although many of those needing that
    sort of mechanical help have underlying conditions which make them
    particularly vulnerable.

    ### - poor old boris must've moved nearer to the second stage of it then
    huh (i.e., any/all of the above more severe symptoms etc) and thus now
    requires monitoring...

    if they haven't already given him some of that chloroquine
    combination-stuff by now, maybe should send him some of my tree-bark
    quinine tea? ;)

    prolly ain't feelin' quite so proud now eh boris!

    (poor bastard...)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxXST9A6v2U

    "what they really need is a little hint of death; that's the awakener"

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  • From luckyrat@1:229/2 to All on Monday, April 06, 2020 16:59:09
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    he'll be alright. He will come through
    all this. He will get the help he needs.

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  • From luckyrat@1:229/2 to All on Monday, April 06, 2020 08:23:28
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    Only 5% ended up in critical care, with such severe illness that they needed organ support. Ventilators can take over the patient’s breathing, to allow the lungs time to recover. But patients could also need support for their heart, liver and kidneys – although many of those needing that sort of mechanical help have underlying conditions which make them particularly vulnerable.

    people that get to the ventilator stage are hurting really bad.
    AFTER about two weeks on the vent guess what your odds are ?
    Yeah 70% of the people croak. You want to avoid those odds.
    "I no fool, no siree, i'm gonna live to be 103 and I play safe
    and don't go outside".

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 00:17:28
    From: slider@anashram.com

    people that get to the ventilator stage are hurting really bad.
    AFTER about two weeks on the vent guess what your odds are ?
    Yeah 70% of the people croak. You want to avoid those odds.
    "I no fool, no siree, i'm gonna live to be 103 and I play safe
    and don't go outside".

    ### - the boris is paying the price now in intensive care, whether he
    makes it or not into the record books as being the first world leader to
    croak it from this virus hangs in the balance?

    but then with all you kind souls in the US praying for him (haha
    riiiight...) to recover, plus the undoubtedly type of extra-high level
    private care afforded to any world leader, he may yet live to cheat the ferryman outta his fare this time around...

    so c'mon the boris, back you come lad from the brink of disaster, you'll
    be a changed man after going through all this and after coming so close to
    the edge, possibly even a far more humane & caring one that'll want to
    look after his country with a bit more down to earth compassion & love...

    a potentially good thing... 'if' he lives!

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 02:15:01
    From: slider@atashram.com

    He will get the help he needs.

    ### - undoubtedly the absolute best money can possibly buy for the PM of england!

    so if anyone 'has' a good chance it's definitely he!

    if he doesn't, however, after all that then come through it tho', this
    will give some fair indication of just how 'rough' this shit can be/get?

    that no one on this 'planet' prolly has a 'better' chance than he in terms
    of the modern medical support he's likely to be receiving, and just god
    help the rest of us poor schmo's if he doesn't make it through!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to slider on Monday, April 06, 2020 18:16:16
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 4:26:06 AM UTC-4, slider wrote:
    Boris Johnson's hospital admission suggests virus may have progressed

    It is unlikely the prime minister will have been admitted unless doctors have real concerns

    Most people recover from Covid-19 within a week and cannot even be certain they had it, as they probably won’t be tested. The advice is to stay home,

    rest and take paracetamol. In 80% of cases, that is the end of it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/johnsons-hospital-admission-suggests-virus-may-have-progressed

    But NHS advice is that if the symptoms – mainly the dry cough, temperature

    and fatigue – have not gone by the end of a week, or they get worse, people should seek medical help.

    Unlike Matt Hancock, the health secretary, who revealed he had Covid-19 on the same day as the prime minister, Boris Johnson has not recovered within the first week. He is said to have been admitted to hospital for tests, which may include scans of his lungs to check for pneumonia, as well as blood tests. He had a diagnostic test for Covid-19, so doctors will be looking for progression of the disease and to establish that he has not entered the second phase, where the immune system goes into overdrive.

    Given the increasing pressure on hospitals at the moment, it is unlikely
    he will have been admitted unless doctors have real concerns. Minor tests could be carried out in Downing Street.

    Early guidelines from the National Institute for Health and Care
    Excellence (Nice) suggest the following symptoms may help a doctor to decide whether a patient with Covid-19 should go to hospital:

    Severe shortness of breath at rest or difficulty breathing.

    Coughing up blood.

    Blue lips or face.

    Feeling cold and clammy with pale or mottled skin.

    Collapse or fainting (syncope).

    New confusion.

    Becoming difficult to rouse.

    Little or no urine output.

    In the first week, people who are fit and healthy, with a robust immune system, will usually fight off the virus. But the problems come for some people in the second week, when their immune system overreacts to the
    virus and ends up attacking the body’s own organs. That is why the most seriously ill can end up on life support machines with organ failure.

    Chinese data showed that 20% of patients went to hospital. Some 15% had severe disease, which involved breathing difficulties and hypoxia, where some of the tissues of the body are not getting an adequate oxygen supply. That can manifest in anxiety, confusion and restlessness.

    Only 5% ended up in critical care, with such severe illness that they needed organ support. Ventilators can take over the patient’s breathing, to allow the lungs time to recover. But patients could also need support for their heart, liver and kidneys – although many of those needing that sort of mechanical help have underlying conditions which make them particularly vulnerable.

    ### - poor old boris must've moved nearer to the second stage of it then huh (i.e., any/all of the above more severe symptoms etc) and thus now requires monitoring...

    if they haven't already given him some of that chloroquine combination-stuff by now, maybe should send him some of my tree-bark quinine tea? ;)

    prolly ain't feelin' quite so proud now eh boris!

    (poor bastard...)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxXST9A6v2U

    "what they really need is a little hint of death; that's the awakener"

    "So you hired a dick to find an asshole."

    That's good writing. I've seen that 4-5 times over the years.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 02:22:48
    From: slider@atashram.com

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxXST9A6v2U

    "what they really need is a little hint of death; that's the awakener"

    "So you hired a dick to find an asshole."

    That's good writing. I've seen that 4-5 times over the years.

    ### - bukowsi haha, wrote it as he experienced/saw it at a purely
    grass-roots level...

    no ivory towers for him lol :)))

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to slider on Monday, April 06, 2020 18:18:28
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 9:15:57 PM UTC-4, slider wrote:
    He will get the help he needs.

    ### - undoubtedly the absolute best money can possibly buy for the PM of england!

    so if anyone 'has' a good chance it's definitely he!

    if he doesn't, however, after all that then come through it tho', this
    will give some fair indication of just how 'rough' this shit can be/get?

    that no one on this 'planet' prolly has a 'better' chance than he in terms
    of the modern medical support he's likely to be receiving, and just god
    help the rest of us poor schmo's if he doesn't make it through!

    Give him the hydrochloroquine and zithromax already. FUCK!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 02:32:23
    From: slider@anashram.com

    that no one on this 'planet' prolly has a 'better' chance than he in
    terms
    of the modern medical support he's likely to be receiving, and just god
    help the rest of us poor schmo's if he doesn't make it through!

    Give him the hydrochloroquine and zithromax already. FUCK!

    ### - bit late in the day (but maybe not too late) as some studies/trials revealed it don't work too good once it's been allowed to progress that
    far?

    that it's (almost) too late by then and should have had all that
    immediately he started showing any symptoms whatsoever!

    as for the rest of us, we have little choice but to play the fucking virus lottery with the symptoms until they allow those drugs to be used from
    early on in the game!

    one doctor here reporting that he doesn't yet know of even 'one' person on
    a respirator whose survived to come off it!

    and that's rough!

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