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    From slider@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, March 31, 2020 06:10:13
    From: slider@anashram.com

    When historians mark the start of this nation's coronavirus nightmare,
    they will cite Jan. 21, 2020, the date a Washington state man in his 30s
    who had visited Wuhan, China, was confirmed as the United States' first COVID-19 case.

    Since then, this global crisis has mushroomed into a national defining
    moment with as yet untallied cultural and economic repercussions. No one questions whether we will be talking about this for generations. If there
    is debate, it is over the proper historical comparison.

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/29/coronavirus-crisis-response-reshape-american-history/5079760002/

    Is this like the 2008 financial crisis, 9/11, World War II? Or perhaps, as
    some economists predict and news that 3.3 million people applied for unemployment last week suggests, will this be remembered as a period of
    deep loss and poverty, something like the grim 1930s when unemployment hit
    25%?

    “This will be very economically disruptive, and an analogy to the Great Depression is the closest to what we may face,” says Stanford University economics professor Matthew Jackson. “These huge events can have profound changes on the views and beliefs people have.”

    That we are in for difficult months and perhaps years ahead seems commonly accepted, as virus deaths mount, hospitals are overwhelmed and a decimated service-based economy spurs a $2.2 trillion wartime-scale bailout package
    in Washington, D.C.

    But if there is cause for optimism in these bleak times, historians,
    economists and writers say, it is born out of the fact that we as a nation
    can choose to seize this moment to create an even greater society better
    poised to protect its citizens from future crises.
    In this Nov. 24, 1933, file photo, unemployed men wait outside the State
    Labor Bureau in New York. The epic hardship of the 1930s is the best-known depression in American history, and some economists are concerned the repercussions of the COVID-19 crisis could send the U.S. reeling back to
    those difficult times.

    The Depression gave rise to the Social Security Act, which promised
    citizens financial safety in their later years. World War II drew women
    into the workforce and minorities into the military, leading to the equal
    and civil rights movements. And the 2008 financial meltdown gave rise to banking regulations and renewed scrutiny of illicit financial tools.

    The possible positive national reactions to the COVID-19 pandemic – which
    as of this writing has infected more than 120,000 Americans and killed
    more than 2,000, out of a global tally of 680,000 sickened and more than
    30,000 dead – are myriad.

    They could include a renewed appreciation of government’s role in
    grappling with unprecedented crises, a remaking of manufacturing pipelines
    so they rely less on foreign suppliers, and a rekindled appreciation for friends and neighbors, experts say.

    “As tough as things look now, I do see us possibly demonstrating a sense
    that we’re all in this together,” says Joseph Margulies, a law professor
    at Cornell University in New York and author of “What Changed When
    Everything Changed: 9/11 and the Making of National Identity.”

    Margulies notes that in contrast to WWII, when Japanese-Americans were
    rounded up and interned, and the Red Scare, when those suspected of
    Communist leanings were blacklisted, this debacle has “governors from New York to California saying the same thing, 'stay home,' and they mean
    everyone, not one group.”

    'Life may change for us all'

    At the moment, most cultural observers note that the sharp political
    divide that existed before the virus arrived still persists.

    That’s evident in everything from the squabbles that erupted as Congress debated the size and scope of the bailout, to the tension between
    President Donald Trump’s desire to see the nation reopen for business next month and a range of health officials countering that the worst is yet to
    come if life is allowed to resume prematurely.

    But some semblance of a unified national direction will be crucial to rebounding from this historic moment, given the as yet unknown shifts in
    the way we shop, work, travel and learn, says Matthew Continetti, resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank.

    “Clearly, the cost of the virus in lives and resources will pale in comparison to the way life may change for us all,” he says. “Just like terrorism before it, this pandemic may present real challenges to civil liberties that we’ll have to grapple with.”

    Continetti points out that at the core of the American ethos is freedom,
    which also can translate into a rejection of government-issued rules meant
    to ensure public safety. That could create problems if, say, the
    government were to echo moves by some Asian nations and track virus
    carriers via their cellphones and closed-circuit TV cameras.

    “I don’t think most Americans are ready to embrace that,” he says.

    As this emergency eventually turns into a state of persistent vigilance,
    what could be on the horizon for us is in fact is a difficult push and
    pull. On the one side, a desire to return to our pre-virus lives at all
    costs; on the other, an acknowledgement that nothing will ever truly be
    the same.

    Continetti says that what is coming next will represent a true paradigm
    shift, one in which a society long driven by the pursuit of happiness at
    all costs may have to rearrange its social and moral priorities.

    “It’s a noble and frightening future we’re facing,” he says. “But it may
    also give us a newfound sense of national solidarity.”

    A few things should happen rather quickly as a result of this seminal
    moment in our history, one that undeniably has parallels to the Spanish
    flu pandemic of 1918, says Rice University historian Douglas Brinkley.

    Among them are a renewed appreciation for science, a rekindled admiration
    for doctors, and a funding bonanza for government health institutions such
    as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a once mighty and now underfunded institution that by most accounts has been caught flat-footed
    by this pandemic.

    “In U.S. history, whatever rises to a level of national concern gets
    funding, and health should rise sky-high,” says Brinkley, noting that, in contrast, the impact of 9/11 was felt mostly in the Northeast and
    Hurricane Katrina in the Deep South. “Coronavirus is touching everyone, so what officials won’t want to be prepared for the next outbreak?”

    When will coronavirus end? What wartime and human kindness can tell us
    about what happens next
    Coronavirus shows global connections

    Another sober realization bound to hit Americans across the economic
    spectrum is how globally interconnected the economies of all nations have become.

    That phone you’re holding or the car you’re driving may be designed or built in the U.S., but countless such products invariably have many parts
    made in countries whose manufacturing plants are now at risk as employees
    get sick as governments order shutdowns.

    “The virus will end, we’ll have a vaccine in 12 to 18 months, but what
    will the world economy look like after 12 to 18 months of stagnation, let
    alone if the virus comes back?” says Jerald Combs, professor emeritus of history at San Francisco State University and author of “The History of American Foreign Policy from 1895.”

    Combs says that as the virus cripples supplier countries such as India and China, U.S. manufacturing ultimately will have to find new ways to make products or face economic hardships. Such adjustments could be required of American companies for years, given it remains unknown whether today's
    viral threat is an aberration or a preview of what’s to come.

    “World War II had a huge impact on American society in so many ways, but
    they had one advantage over what we’re dealing with,” Combs says. “They knew at some point the war would end. We, on the other hand, are still not sure.”

    To get a sense of just how much this Defining Moment has us concerned,
    consider that author Erik Larson has received what he calls a “surprising” amount of messages from readers who have found a sense of solace in the
    pages of his new book, “The Splendid and the Vile,” which chronicles how Winston Churchill led British resistance to the relentless Nazi onslaught
    of 1940.

    “People must simply be getting lost in a time when you had this
    catastrophic threat to a nation and a charismatic leader pulling them
    through it,” Larson says. “There’s this heroic clarity to that time, Churchill defying Hitler and rallying the public, saying 'We’re all in
    this together.' I guess maybe people would like that now.”

    After years of research that brought him close to heart and mind of the legendary British prime minister, Larson is convinced Churchill’s message today for any nation facing the defining challenge that is the coronavirus threat would be inspirationally simple.

    Says Larson: “He’d have been quick to say that this is not the apocalypse, all our institutions will survive, our world will endure, and we will go
    forth when this is over.”

    ### - (quote) "They could include a renewed appreciation of government’s
    role in grappling with unprecedented crises, a remaking of manufacturing pipelines so they rely less on foreign suppliers, and a rekindled
    appreciation for friends and neighbors, experts say."

    which doesn't sound too bad does it?

    i.e., it's not 'easy' to re-make a whole civilisation??

    one society-makeover coming up then!

    many things we were draggin' our heels over before have suddenly become necessities and uppermost in our minds, not all of it bad?

    that seein' as this is all going-down anyway and there's nada we can do
    about it to stop it happening, then might as well take advantage of a
    unique situation to give ourselves a makeover; to 'reinvent' ourselves sociologically! to trim things down some/get rid of some of the red tape
    etc...

    we're being forced to do it anyway so why voluntarily! take a hand in it?
    it could be really good!

    rewrite the script so more people get & have more equally!

    make things better for ourselves!

    (gud if we can't go back! it was mostly unfair + very cruel crap anyway
    heh) ;)

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  • From luckyrat@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, March 31, 2020 05:55:54
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    hey welcome to Last Man Standing.
    of course most will end up in the
    bed doing a little time flat out.
    80% will probably contract it and
    maybe a low percentage will bite
    the dust. Place your bets. :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, March 31, 2020 14:54:19
    From: slider@anashram.com

    hey welcome to Last Man Standing.
    of course most will end up in the
    bed doing a little time flat out.
    80% will probably contract it and
    maybe a low percentage will bite
    the dust. Place your bets. :)

    ### - they's defo playin' for time aren't they, time for a proper vaccine
    to be developed in around 18-months time, so they's slowing it all down as
    much as poss in the meantime so we don't get too rushed by it and so that
    by the time it reaches 80% they'll actually then have a vaccine to save
    our asses with and kill it dead...

    he said hopefully heh ;)

    ***

    extra-extra!
    news just coming in as i type: fatalities in the last 24-hours here have increased by 393??

    it went up by 180 yesterday so that's more than double yesterday's figures!

    oo-er!

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