• Re: what it's like: Sick doctor shocked by severity of coronavirus symp

    From slider@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, March 21, 2020 10:09:01
    From: slider@atashram.com

    one other thought/idea being... if malarial medications have any effect
    at all (and we're not sure they do) then why not quinine too?

    (slider bangs on the counter...) hey barkeep! 6 bottles of tonic water
    over here, please! :)

    ### - added note re quinine:

    https://malariajournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1475-2875-10-144

    The discovery of quinine is considered the most serendipitous medical
    discovery of the 17th century [1] and malaria treatment with quinine
    marked the first successful use of a chemical compound to treat an
    infectious disease[2]. Quinine, as a component of the bark of the cinchona (quina-quina) tree, was used to treat malaria from as early as the 1600s,
    when it was referred to as the "Jesuits' bark," "cardinal's bark," or
    "sacred bark." These names stem from its use in 1630 by Jesuit
    missionaries in South America, though a legend suggests earlier use by the native population[2].

    According to this legend, an Indian with a high fever was lost in an
    Andean jungle. Thirsty, he drank from a pool of stagnant water and found
    that it tasted bitter. Realizing that the water had been contaminated by
    the surrounding quina-quina trees he thought he was poisoned.
    Surprisingly, his fever soon abated, and he shared this accidental
    discovery with fellow villagers, who thereafter used extracts from the quina-quina bark to treat fever [3]. The legend of quinine's discovery
    accepted in Europe differs though, and involves the Spanish Countess of Chinchon who, while in Peru, contracted a fever that was cured by the bark
    of a tree. Returning to Spain with the bark, she introduced quinine to
    Europe in 1638 and, in 1742, botanist Carl Linnaeus called the tree
    "Cinchona" in her honour [4].

    Before 1820, the bark of the cinchona tree was first dried, ground to a
    fine powder, and then mixed into a liquid (commonly wine) before being
    drunk. In 1820, quinine was extracted from the bark, isolated and named by Pierre Joseph Pelletier and Joseph Caventou. Purified quinine then
    replaced the bark as the standard treatment for malaria [5]. Quinine and
    other cinchona alkaloids including quinidine, cinchonine and cinchonidine
    are all effective against malaria. The efficacies of these four alkaloids
    were evaluated in one of the earliest clinical trials, conducted from 1866
    to 1868 in 3600 patients using prepared sulfates of the alkaloids.

    With the main outcome measure of "cessation of febrile paroxysms", all
    four alkaloids were found to be comparable, with cure rates of >98%[6]. However, after 1890 quinine became the predominantly used alkaloid, mainly
    due to a change in supply from South American to Javan cinchona bark,
    which contained a higher proportion of quinine [7]. Quinine remained the mainstay of malaria treatment until the 1920s, when more effective
    synthetic anti-malarials became available. The most important of these
    drugs was chloroquine, which was extensively used, especially beginning in
    the 1940s [6]. With heavy use, chloroquine resistance developed slowly. Resistance of Plasmodium falciparum to chloroquine was seen in parts of Southeast Asia and South America by the late 1950s, and was widespread in almost all areas with falciparum malaria by the 1980s.

    With increasing resistance to chloroquine, quinine again played a key
    role, particularly in the treatment of severe malaria [6]. To-date quinine continues to play a significant role in the management of malaria. This
    review, discusses the historical role of quinine, considers its current
    usage, and provides insight into the appropriate future use of quinine for
    the treatment of malaria. Information was obtained by searching published literature in the National Library of Medicine via Pub Med and MEDLINE
    search engines for research articles, reviews, books, and other reports. Identification of published reports was done using key word searches such
    as quinine and malaria treatment, quinine and drug resistance, quinine in pregnancy, quinine and antibiotic combinations, and quinine and HIV/TB
    infected populations.
    Quinine properties

    Quinine is a cinchona alkaloid that belongs to the aryl amino alcohol
    group of drugs. It is an extremely basic compound and is, therefore,
    always presented as a salt[6]. Various preparations exist, including the hydrochloride, dihydrochloride, sulphate, bisulphate, and gluconate salts;
    of these the dihydrochloride is the most widely used. Quinine has rapid schizonticidal action against intra-erythrocytic malaria parasites. It is
    also gametocytocidal for Plasmodium vivax and Plasmodium malariae, but not
    for Plasmodium falciparum. Quinine also has analgesic, but not antipyretic properties. The anti-malarial mechanism of action of quinine is unknown.

    ### - smile, you'd prolly need about 20 small bottles of tonic water to
    equate with just a single dose of prescription quinine heh, but the bark
    it's derived from (Red Cinchona Bark/Quina Quina) is actually freely
    available online from ebay and prolly elsewhere too...

    e.g...

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Red-Cinchona-Bark-Quina-Quinine-75g-200g-Cinchona-Pubescens-Calisaya/143558570769?hash=item216cc1f311:m:mk52paWkZRFSjozki8Veejw

    that's in the uk so maybe in the US too i dunno...

    and might be just as good as 'chloroquine' (and not expensive either!) :)

    i.e., with 'quine' on the end ya can see where they gots that name from
    then innit...

    barkeep! cancel that tonic water and just bring me some wine to soak my
    barks in!

    woof-woof! haha :)))

    (am barkin' here boss! lol)

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, March 21, 2020 04:51:22
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    Nice piece of anecdotal evidence on hydroxychloroquine.

    No deaths at Lennox Hill Hospital from the virus after using hydroxychloroquine

    https://www.independentsentinel.com/lennox-hill-has-no-deaths-from-the-virus-after-using-hydroxychloroquine/?utm_source=whatfinger

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, March 21, 2020 10:27:57
    From: slider@atashram.com

    ### - how to brew yer own ;)

    https://www.alcademics.com/2012/05/homemade-tonic-water-filtration.html

    Recipe

    Combine 20g cut cinchona bark with 1 cup water. Heat to a boil, then
    simmer for 20 minutes. The liquid should reduce/absorb into the bark such
    that you'll have about a 1/2 cup left.

    Strain the liquid first through a fine-mesh metal strainer, then use the aeropress method described above.

    Add between 110g and 220g sugar to the cinchona water. Optionally, add
    water until you have 2 cups of product to make a 1:4 ratio syrup.

    Recipe Notes

    I used 220g of sugar to 20g bark and felt that the result was not bitter enough. With that being said, tonic water desperately needs citric acid
    for balance (no, lemon juice won't cut it). Since I didn't want to add
    any additional flavors to this batch, I really don't know how the ratios
    will work out in a completed tonic water. The next steps will be to start adding lemongrass, citrus peels, citric acid, and allspice.

    But I will say that the tonic syrup as described above, 1:4 with soda
    water, makes a pleasant and sweet gin and tonic. It goes best with an easy-drinking gin, like New Amsterdam. A hefty squeeze of lime or lemon
    gives a nice balance.

    ### - dunno about the twist of lemon/gin part haha, but around 20g would
    prolly make several good slugs of it, quinine is long-lasting in our
    system (12 to 18 hours or more depending) so have a single shot and
    wait-see the effects and adjust accordingly...

    and might actually try that for any prophylactic properties...

    :)

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