• Re: how that's workin' today ?

    From slider@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 16:34:08
    From: slider@atashram.com

    ok now we are at 375 points down.
    AND i just read a story that reported
    that up to 70% of the world may get
    this corona virus. Fantastic, thank you
    Jesus, may i have another life here on
    planet Hell ?

    ### - ahaha :)))

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  • From luckyrat@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 07:53:38
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    we'll see how far the stock market slides into
    the toilet today. Already 200 points down.
    just wonderful, "oh that magic feeling"
    nowhere to go.

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  • From luckyrat@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 08:28:07
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    ok now we are at 375 points down.
    AND i just read a story that reported
    that up to 70% of the world may get
    this corona virus. Fantastic, thank you
    Jesus, may i have another life here on
    planet Hell ?

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 16:17:58
    From: slider@atashram.com

    we'll see how far the stock market slides into
    the toilet today. Already 200 points down.
    just wonderful, "oh that magic feeling"
    nowhere to go.

    ### - yep, looks like the market has gone caught itself a cold...

    would prolly be cheaper in the long run tho' to just lock-down the whole
    planet for a fortnight one-time whenever shit like this occurs and get rid
    of it that way instead of draggin' it out over months?

    a global effort to eradicate global problems could even become the norm if
    they smart enough ;)

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  • From luckyrat@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 19:34:53
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    had a ton of lucidity last night (for some reason)
    long series of dreams. was with some kind of group
    of people receiving some instructions on moving/
    movements sort of thing. they instructed me to do
    this movement where i stood up at or near a wall or
    table and put my hands on the counter like in a claw
    type of hold. Something like playing a piano with
    the fingers out except pushing down very hard. As
    I was doing this i thought to myself 'well this isn't
    much of a move or exercise'. They said to press down
    harder with my fingers on this stuff that was like a
    molded material with a design that was nothing special.
    so i did it and low and behold it moved me to a place
    where i suddenly felt like i was high or intoxicated
    but was very sober and not drunk. as i did this i went
    into a dream in my head and saw a flash picture of this
    guy very quickly. But i came right back out feeling so
    damn good it was hard to believe. Why should i feel so
    good all of the sudden? Well folks this is dreaming,
    where just about anything is possible. I don't think i have
    ever had a feeling like that without maybe taking a drug
    or smoke or drink of something. All very natural it seemed.
    did the movement produce that in me? Well let's bring it
    back to waking world and see what it does then. And of course
    it doesn't do shit. Only works while one is dreaming (i suppose).
    I would love to produce that feeling again, it was really
    extraordinary. So who was the guy i 'flashed' on in my mind
    during the dream?? Ha ha, you wouldn't believe me. :)

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  • From luckyrat@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 08:03:06
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    ### - just happened all by itself huh... no reason, no effort, just random chance...

    they come when they come, we take advantage of the lucidity and
    follow the dream to where it goes.

    ### - so was only semi-lucid then, else you would have turned around and walked away to go-do your own thing ignoring all those projected bozos
    from the id ;)

    no pendajo, i was lucid, i already had a bunch of dreams, this was
    just part of a series. I was wide awake i just wanted to see what
    they had up their sleeve. This is how you go deeper in the dream by
    NOT being a god damn control freak to make everything 'happen'.


    ### - should have maybe taught 'them' a few lessons instead? el toro
    style! haha, but go on...

    the fine art of letting things happen, just like in life you cannot
    control every fucking situation like a damn freak.


    ### - aha, a glimmer of extra lucidity! you began to question it!

    it didn't seem like any big deal UNTIL i pressed harder.
    i was examining the surface of what i was pressing on
    and it didn't seem to be anything extraordinary, but it
    was in the pressing (using more intensity) that something happen.
    Perhaps that is a clue for me in my waking life that i should
    use some intensity more often to get stuff done. Maybe put more
    of myself in to what i am doing. Looky there i've done therapy
    with myself without having a guru help me. Free psycho-therapy.


    ### - volition brings more volition; whenever i press my thumbs in a dream everything (including yours truly) lights up like the 4th of july...

    Perhaps it does. Subtle things lead to more intense things.



    ### - ya hit the right combination was all; going in and coming back out again has that precise effect of fine-tuning the whole thing! of bringing everything into sharp (read: more immediate) focus!

    oh fuck that, it was the feeling i noticed in the dream that really
    got me. I don't usually feel much in my body while dreaming.
    I'm just doing this and that and enjoying the trip.


    ### - drugs are only second-rate by comparison, thus they only give us a distorted glimpse of something more natural than one would even care to imagine + they don't call it 'getting-high' for nothing heh :)

    The only reason why i am reporting this dream is because of the feeling.
    I have never registered a feeling like this in any lucid or regular
    dream. This was gold, absolute gold to feel this way.

    ### - we're too rational in the waking state to be able to move easily
    into an altered state of awareness and back again without drugs, a veneer that crumbles rather quickly once that movement begins, a couple of back & forth movements at that point bringing 100% lucidity (and thus volition)
    into the equation...

    i don't think one can make this feeling happen, it comes from some
    place else. I'm chasing my tail enough in dreaming already, this would
    be just one more thing to do., like pulling on my nose.


    I would love to produce that feeling again, it was really
    extraordinary.

    ### - you can, simply by switching back & forth between waking and WILDing
    a few times at the beginning wherein 100% lucidity (and more importantly: full volition) then automatically ensues...

    Ah you don't know that. Some things are out of our control.
    And it is a good thing that they are.


    ### - smile, it's not hard to guess considering your thread title heh, but then you spent years studying with that dude directly connected to lucid dreaming et-al, so such flashbacks can't really be such a surprise? the emotional (wtf??) shock of seeing him obviously bounced you straight back
    out though haha (didn't wanna see him! lol) but still increased your
    lucidity via that bounce...

    no it didn't increase anything but a sense of well being.
    This is the holy grail that everyone wants in life. You want
    to feel good, but you don't want to pay for it. lol!

    the question is why did i suddenly feel so damn good?
    you know you are already feelin' pretty damn good just
    to be lucid in a dream. You know that feeling already.
    It happens every freakin' time one is lucid. This little
    experience is vastly different. This is why i reported it.
    so did it carry over to the waking world? no. but jesus
    if it did i would be one happy camper. Happy for no reason.
    Natural state of just being happy. I wouldn't have to walk
    18 miles to get the walker's high. lol!

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 11:06:37
    From: slider@atashram.com

    had a ton of lucidity last night (for some reason)

    ### - just happened all by itself huh... no reason, no effort, just random chance...

    therefore, and unfortunately, an almost useless experience haha (sorry
    'bout that) :)



    long series of dreams. was with some kind of group
    of people receiving some instructions on moving/
    movements sort of thing.

    ### - so was only semi-lucid then, else you would have turned around and
    walked away to go-do your own thing ignoring all those projected bozos
    from the id ;)



    they instructed me to do
    this movement where i stood up at or near a wall or
    table and put my hands on the counter like in a claw
    type of hold.

    ### - should have maybe taught 'them' a few lessons instead? el toro
    style! haha, but go on...




    Something like playing a piano with
    the fingers out except pushing down very hard. As
    I was doing this i thought to myself 'well this isn't
    much of a move or exercise'.

    ### - aha, a glimmer of extra lucidity! you began to question it!



    They said to press down
    harder with my fingers on this stuff that was like a
    molded material with a design that was nothing special.
    so i did it and low and behold it moved me to a place
    where i suddenly felt like i was high or intoxicated
    but was very sober and not drunk.

    ### - volition brings more volition; whenever i press my thumbs in a dream everything (including yours truly) lights up like the 4th of july...





    as i did this i went
    into a dream in my head and saw a flash picture of this
    guy very quickly. But i came right back out feeling so
    damn good it was hard to believe. Why should i feel so
    good all of the sudden?

    ### - ya hit the right combination was all; going in and coming back out
    again has that precise effect of fine-tuning the whole thing! of bringing everything into sharp (read: more immediate) focus!




    Well folks this is dreaming,
    where just about anything is possible. I don't think i have
    ever had a feeling like that without maybe taking a drug
    or smoke or drink of something. All very natural it seemed.

    ### - drugs are only second-rate by comparison, thus they only give us a distorted glimpse of something more natural than one would even care to
    imagine + they don't call it 'getting-high' for nothing heh :)


    did the movement produce that in me? Well let's bring it
    back to waking world and see what it does then. And of course
    it doesn't do shit. Only works while one is dreaming (i suppose).

    ### - we're too rational in the waking state to be able to move easily
    into an altered state of awareness and back again without drugs, a veneer
    that crumbles rather quickly once that movement begins, a couple of back & forth movements at that point bringing 100% lucidity (and thus volition)
    into the equation...




    I would love to produce that feeling again, it was really
    extraordinary.

    ### - you can, simply by switching back & forth between waking and WILDing
    a few times at the beginning wherein 100% lucidity (and more importantly:
    full volition) then automatically ensues...



    So who was the guy i 'flashed' on in my mind
    during the dream?? Ha ha, you wouldn't believe me. :)

    ### - smile, it's not hard to guess considering your thread title heh, but
    then you spent years studying with that dude directly connected to lucid dreaming et-al, so such flashbacks can't really be such a surprise? the emotional (wtf??) shock of seeing him obviously bounced you straight back
    out though haha (didn't wanna see him! lol) but still increased your
    lucidity via that bounce...

    thus, and imvho, the only bit that really means anything (the only thing
    of any value) was the hint from your dreaming to be (and to act) more deliberately in dreaming, and to follow the clue of bouncing back & forth enough times to reproduce/induce said higher levels of lucidity...

    to have done all this from a dild pov is, however, quite extraordinary
    imho - 'the' most difficult route of all to attain anything from! - and
    thus was all a bit clumsy and not that sober, something that cleared up considerably (i.e., suddenly felt very sober) after you'd moved deeper
    into dreaming and then came back out again; something that can easily be reproduced by standing at the midway point and doing exactly the same
    thing in either of now 2 available directions from that pov! (the bounces
    can then be between said midway point and being in a dream, and/or that of being in bed and being at the midway point; the real prize coming upon
    going from waking to being in a full WILD and back again without having to
    use the hypnagogia, just a couple of these resulting in a clarity that's
    hard to match + the appearance of what then appears to be access to some
    kind of silent/inner knowledge...)

    problem is... it's always gonna remain a confusing + bemusing mystery
    until you WILD more deliberately & volitionally, and in so doing attain
    the presence of mind (full-enough lucidity) to begin asking the right
    questions that leads to even more 'volitional' + 'sober' activities...

    perhaps now you're also in the position to understand/grasp just 'why' deliberately + more consciously 'putting' oneself into the dream state
    (via WILDing) has the effect it does in terms of increasing clarity and
    greater volition, and also why it's just not the same (is dulled) when
    done by proxy via a dild...

    if you'd been WILDing instead, for example, you would have realised what
    just happened and deliberately then gone back in and talked to the dude to
    find out more, a lot more! (given him the 3rd degree haha)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMLd1fEyj_0

    and still can should you but choose to do so (that dream or whatever it
    was still exists!) and as such apply your willpower to dreaming instead of
    just hangin' around like a wuss waiting for shit to happen... (the
    definition of a wuss is a cross between a wimp & a puss haha + just
    kidding ya)

    i.e., dilds are passive! we have to wait upon them to come to us!

    WILDs are more willful though; you go to them and deliberately round the feckers up! WILDing and higher levels of sobriety are thus synonymous
    terms!

    whereon you get it right, you 'own' them after that for keeps...

    and imho you're standing right on that edge ;)

    (slider singing...) "jump you fucker jump!

    jump into this here blanket what we are holdin' and you will be alright...

    so he jumped, hit the deck, broke his fuckin' neck?

    there was noooooo blanket!" :))))

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZEEgIti8sM

    haha (j/k)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 18:31:41
    From: slider@anashram.com

    - just happened all by itself huh... no reason, no effort, just random
    chance...

    they come when they come, we take advantage of the lucidity and
    follow the dream to where it goes.

    ### - that's one way for sure but not the only way; there's 2 ends to
    every pole? (2 sides to every story)




    - so was only semi-lucid then, else you would have turned around and
    walked away to go-do your own thing ignoring all those projected bozos
    from the id ;)

    no pendajo, i was lucid, i already had a bunch of dreams, this was
    just part of a series. I was wide awake i just wanted to see what
    they had up their sleeve. This is how you go deeper in the dream by
    NOT being a god damn control freak to make everything 'happen'.

    ### - ahaha so in your eyes am a control freak now lol :)))

    but that's not entirely correct ya know, have spent my life 'allowing'
    myself to be guided and going along with da-flow + living in the moment
    and all that besides blah blah... but the personal discovery of WILDs has changed things some, has evened the score so to speak, plus didn't go
    lookin' for 'em for instance, didn't even know they existed, they instead
    came to me while i thought i was looking for dilds because dilds was all i
    knew about... the very nature of WILDs themselves, however, demands a very different approach because they're something that can only be claimed by
    dint of rescuing them from an unconscious state...

    iow: waking dreams (and how one obtains them) are completely different to sleeping dreams and how one goes about obtaining them... both are valid/required





    - should have maybe taught 'them' a few lessons instead? el toro
    style! haha, but go on...

    the fine art of letting things happen, just like in life you cannot
    control every fucking situation like a damn freak.

    ### - haha... rather: the fine art of walking in the middle of 2 possible choices and/or channels of potential action; between that of waiting
    patiently to receive some useful information, evaluating + recognising it
    as being such when it arrives, and then acting on it accordingly when it does...




    - aha, a glimmer of extra lucidity! you began to question it!

    it didn't seem like any big deal UNTIL i pressed harder.
    i was examining the surface of what i was pressing on
    and it didn't seem to be anything extraordinary, but it
    was in the pressing (using more intensity) that something happen.
    Perhaps that is a clue for me in my waking life that i should
    use some intensity more often to get stuff done. Maybe put more
    of myself in to what i am doing. Looky there i've done therapy
    with myself without having a guru help me. Free psycho-therapy.

    ### - for sure we're our 'own' guru when dreaming provided one is sober
    enough to ask the right (read: useful) questions instead of turning it
    into yet another form of indulgence... you call it 'using more intensity',
    i call it being more deliberate and conscious, but i think it basically
    means the same thing here...

    putting more of 'yourself' into it being precisely what i was talking
    about really, of having a more considered + deliberate (i.e., intense)
    effect depending on/related-to what you learn...

    maybe just the pressing of the hands in some (or different) ways/forms is
    the main/major effect in all this? (see, am still asking questions, i
    don't know everything...)




    - volition brings more volition; whenever i press my thumbs in a dream
    everything (including yours truly) lights up like the 4th of july...

    Perhaps it does. Subtle things lead to more intense things.

    ### - the very act of being able to change dreams (and places in
    awareness) alters things; i would say 'upgrades' things to a more advanced level than before, actual volition enters into the picture for the first time... plus have really tested this all out before ever bringing it to
    anyone else's attention, mainly because i had to make sure it was all
    correct, more than double-checked it all out... am thus speaking from experience here...




    - ya hit the right combination was all; going in and coming back out
    again has that precise effect of fine-tuning the whole thing! of
    bringing
    everything into sharp (read: more immediate) focus!

    oh fuck that, it was the feeling i noticed in the dream that really
    got me. I don't usually feel much in my body while dreaming.
    I'm just doing this and that and enjoying the trip.

    ### - you bumped into something noticeably different, i got that... and
    thus you should indeed pay attention to it... so replay it over & over in
    your head until the answer comes, or ask about it in dreaming which ever happens first... (i was agreeing with you albeit in terms more proper to WILDing was all, presenting an alternate pov of the same phenomena...)




    - drugs are only second-rate by comparison, thus they only give us a
    distorted glimpse of something more natural than one would even care to
    imagine + they don't call it 'getting-high' for nothing heh :)

    The only reason why i am reporting this dream is because of the feeling.
    I have never registered a feeling like this in any lucid or regular
    dream. This was gold, absolute gold to feel this way.

    ### - in cc's lingo (just borrowing from it for clarity here) it was
    merely the result of having moved deeper into the second attention than
    usual, and so for a little while you felt complete/full etc, something
    along those lines anyway was what was kinda saying/suggesting albeit using different words/terms...





    - we're too rational in the waking state to be able to move easily
    into an altered state of awareness and back again without drugs, a
    veneer
    that crumbles rather quickly once that movement begins, a couple of
    back &
    forth movements at that point bringing 100% lucidity (and thus volition)
    into the equation...
    i don't think one can make this feeling happen, it comes from some
    place else. I'm chasing my tail enough in dreaming already, this would
    be just one more thing to do., like pulling on my nose.

    I would love to produce that feeling again, it was really
    extraordinary.

    - you can, simply by switching back & forth between waking and WILDing
    a few times at the beginning wherein 100% lucidity (and more
    importantly:
    full volition) then automatically ensues...

    Ah you don't know that. Some things are out of our control.
    And it is a good thing that they are.

    ### - except when you get angry huh, and then ya wants to teach 'em all a lesson? (quietly laffing hehe + only j/k?)

    but i do, however, know that... from direct personal experience i mean...
    and is a seemingly consistent feature of WILDing especially for
    beginners... i.e., we can actually learn to turn the whole thing on & off
    at will + on demand (something WILDing proves if nada else no?) and this changes things, some might even say: changes everything...




    - smile, it's not hard to guess considering your thread title heh, but
    then you spent years studying with that dude directly connected to lucid
    dreaming et-al, so such flashbacks can't really be such a surprise? the
    emotional (wtf??) shock of seeing him obviously bounced you straight
    back
    out though haha (didn't wanna see him! lol) but still increased your
    lucidity via that bounce...

    no it didn't increase anything but a sense of well being.
    This is the holy grail that everyone wants in life. You want
    to feel good, but you don't want to pay for it. lol!

    ### - have already described in detail the clear sense of well being &
    ease (not to mention the ensuing confidence that derives from that)
    attained at the midway point... something which arrives at the point of volition and just after taking it all on-board and realising that we
    actually have some say in all this for real... having bounced around a few times scratching your head wondering wtf's happening & why, suddenly it
    all clears up and you know 'exactly' what it's all about + why! and that's where the confidence & sense of ease + well-being enters into the frame,
    along then with an overpowering sense of detachment like never before...
    and i think you gots a touch of that




    the question is why did i suddenly feel so damn good?
    you know you are already feelin' pretty damn good just
    to be lucid in a dream. You know that feeling already.
    It happens every freakin' time one is lucid.

    ### - those lasting feelings are certainly part of it, a clear touch of
    it, a lovely vibe one then carries back into waking for a little while afterwards to varying degrees... but that feeling of ease and confidence
    that takes-hold at said midway point 'after' one has deliberately 'placed' oneself there, is the closest thing to what you've described that am aware of...




    This little
    experience is vastly different. This is why i reported it.
    so did it carry over to the waking world? no. but jesus
    if it did i would be one happy camper. Happy for no reason.
    Natural state of just being happy. I wouldn't have to walk
    18 miles to get the walker's high. lol!

    ### - you'll walk 18 miles (or whatever) to obtain a walkers-high but wont
    walk the 100 yards required to WILD because that's too... contrived?? :)

    personally, have never felt anything even remotely like that feeling of
    ease & confidence (plus detachment) as when standing at that midway
    point... plus, stand in it for long enough (like for 20 mins say) and one
    most certainly then carries that stronger feeling back into the waking
    world as well for quite a while afterwards...

    imho, it's just the result of having received a blast of unusual energy
    that tops-up the old flagging battery inordinately heh... and yes very
    shocking at first but is something one quickly becomes used to and that's
    when ya can really begin to explore/probe it, but it has to last for a
    good while in order to do so... methinks then you only caught a glimpse of
    it this time, you didn't really get a good chance to really probe/explore
    it...

    it's all up to you though Chris, no one can make ya do anything ya don't
    want to i mean + all i can actually do is to just shout encouraging things
    to ya from the sidelines etc (like: go for it! don't give up! keep trying! don't be so fucking indolent! etc etc hahaha...)

    smile, never in a million years thought i'd ever end up teaching peeps to
    lucid dream? hah! (quite honestly prolly considered just about everything
    else except that?? lol) but there ya go haha, the goddamned things that
    happen to moi lol + from observation have deemed anyone learning to dild
    first defo gives 'em a distinct handicap of just waiting for things to
    happen? a habit they then experience quite a lot of difficulty altering!

    that for newbies learning to WILD first is better in that they not only
    get a few free dilds thrown in for good measure and so come to know those
    too, but also don't then also gain the handicap of not being able to act because they learned to dild first and became stuck like that after years
    of doing so...

    and because said dilds are then placed in their more correct position from
    the outset and one's expectations run accordingly thus allowing for both experiences, whereas to dild first might also mean never then experiencing
    a full WILD or even recognising one if/when it happens by accident (what they've been calling a false awakening)

    and imho that's a bit of a shame really is all when 'both' options are
    right there at our fingertips...

    that in the final analysis: WILDs 'make-sense' of dilds, even explains
    them, whereas dilds don't (or can't) make-sense of WILDs thus making WILDs
    the more inclusive of the two?

    plus lol how typical of us humans to do everything completely back to
    fucking front every time eh?

    that even when it comes to something as cool as lucid dreaming we start
    off upside fuckin' down with dilds and thus handicap ourselves
    unnecessarily thereby for decades??

    lol what a world :)))

    (what a mess really heh...)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEBlaMOmKV4

    c'mon wallyworld, sort yer' fuckin' ideas out already lol ;)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, February 27, 2020 23:49:54
    From: slider@atashram.com

    ok now we are at 375 points down.
    AND i just read a story that reported
    that up to 70% of the world may get
    this corona virus.

    ### - the dow suffered it's biggest ever drop today of 1,900?? (wooo...)

    markets everywhere tumbling as this thing spreads and threatens to bring everything to a grinding halt...

    schools in the uk, for example, being advised to maybe shut up shop for anything up to 2-months as part of the shutdown if/when it turns into a
    genuine pandemic...

    italy now having 400 confirmed cases involving 12 deaths raising the
    stakes some to it being potentially slightly worse now than spanish flu,
    with a 3% fatality rate (up from 2.3% previously elsewhere more on a par
    with spanish flu) not really helping the situation, a few businesses here already ordering their staff to start working from home where possible,
    one london firm immediately sending all 300 staff to work from home after
    one of them reported flu-like symptoms when returning from a holiday in
    italy for example...

    on a perhaps brighter note: they reckon 80% of peeps will likely
    experience mild cold symptoms from this shit, with only 20% going on to
    develop any more serious lung infections, 7% getting severe/critical
    symptoms and 3% dying...

    chances then are if you're fairly fit you'll prolly be alright...

    so it's all aboard the big dipper ride again folks!

    she goes up she goes down, she goes round & round - wheee!

    some music maestro please!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U8JlcB_BzA

    let's get this shit over with heh :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, February 28, 2020 18:58:25
    From: slider@atashram.com

    always gets down to this doesn't it?

    "well, do you feel lucky punk" ?

    The Earth has its way with thinin' the herd(s).

    ### - when ya dunno what to do...

    sometimes ya just have to gamble then innit ;)

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  • From luckyrat@1:229/2 to All on Friday, February 28, 2020 06:52:59
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    always gets down to this doesn't it?

    "well, do you feel lucky punk" ?

    The Earth has its way with thinin' the herd(s).

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to slider on Saturday, February 29, 2020 05:54:01
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 6:50:26 PM UTC-5, slider wrote:
    ok now we are at 375 points down.
    AND i just read a story that reported
    that up to 70% of the world may get
    this corona virus.

    ### - the dow suffered it's biggest ever drop today of 1,900?? (wooo...)

    markets everywhere tumbling as this thing spreads and threatens to bring everything to a grinding halt...

    schools in the uk, for example, being advised to maybe shut up shop for anything up to 2-months as part of the shutdown if/when it turns into a genuine pandemic...

    italy now having 400 confirmed cases involving 12 deaths raising the
    stakes some to it being potentially slightly worse now than spanish flu,
    with a 3% fatality rate (up from 2.3% previously elsewhere more on a par
    with spanish flu) not really helping the situation, a few businesses here already ordering their staff to start working from home where possible,
    one london firm immediately sending all 300 staff to work from home after
    one of them reported flu-like symptoms when returning from a holiday in
    italy for example...

    on a perhaps brighter note: they reckon 80% of peeps will likely
    experience mild cold symptoms from this shit, with only 20% going on to develop any more serious lung infections, 7% getting severe/critical
    symptoms and 3% dying...

    chances then are if you're fairly fit you'll prolly be alright...

    so it's all aboard the big dipper ride again folks!

    she goes up she goes down, she goes round & round - wheee!

    some music maestro please!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U8JlcB_BzA

    let's get this shit over with heh :)

    I'm at the 90 day food and medicine level.
    I still have one more 40 gallon bin to fill next Tuesday.

    The panic is always worse than the crisis.
    I bought two different types of masks and surgical gloves
    weeks ago before they refused to sell them to non-healthcare workers.

    Qwik point B.
    This is Covid-19 right.
    How do we know we haven't already had Covid-16, Covid-17, Covid-18.
    You know what I'm saying.

    In the states you could have Covid-19 and they don't even have the test.
    I have 600 people in my state of Massachusetts in voluntary quarantine
    who returned from China.

    There is a good chance 1% I am currently recovering from Covid-19
    right now after battling a February virus unlike any before.

    Spitting up soup spoons of brown dead virus from my lower lungs
    for about a week in mid Febuary preceded by a dry cough and sudden
    descent into "air hunger" where you move air in and out but don't
    absorb much.

    I plan on avoiding the virus.
    If I get it, I plan on surviving.
    For many people it's just another flu like experience.

    The panic is what to watch out for.

    Some inspiration:
    https://youtu.be/Aas3YQKIFeY?t=3514

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, February 29, 2020 15:45:55
    From: slider@anashram.com

    let's get this shit over with heh :)

    I'm at the 90 day food and medicine level.
    I still have one more 40 gallon bin to fill next Tuesday.

    The panic is always worse than the crisis.
    I bought two different types of masks and surgical gloves
    weeks ago before they refused to sell them to non-healthcare workers.

    ### - peeps here too are starting to worry by now, the news repeated over
    & over is starting to sink in...



    Qwik point B.
    This is Covid-19 right.
    How do we know we haven't already had Covid-16, Covid-17, Covid-18.
    You know what I'm saying.

    ### - it's 'novel' covid-19 virus, iow: we know the strain and have
    identified 18 versions of it (sars was one of them for example) but they's saying this is a new + unknown version of it that's closely related to
    sars, and because it's new no one has any resistance to it... (did people
    have any resistance to sars?)




    In the states you could have Covid-19 and they don't even have the test.
    I have 600 people in my state of Massachusetts in voluntary quarantine
    who returned from China.

    ### - don't worry, they're gearing-up to it now all over + there's not
    enough cases of it yet to warrant any real panic...




    There is a good chance 1% I am currently recovering from Covid-19
    right now after battling a February virus unlike any before.

    Spitting up soup spoons of brown dead virus from my lower lungs
    for about a week in mid Febuary preceded by a dry cough and sudden
    descent into "air hunger" where you move air in and out but don't
    absorb much.

    ### - maybe you 'have' had it then (hopefully) and that's what it was all about, in which case you don't really have anything more to be concerned
    about because you've survived it... besides, if this thing really gets
    started (and it's not even at epidemic level yet) there's ultimately just
    gonna be no way to avoid it so all one can do is to be as-well and as-fit
    as possible to meet it head-on, so eat well, exercise some (maintaining a
    heart rate of 130 for 60 seconds daily is plenty, e.g., just by running up
    & down several flights of stairs for 5 mins daily etc) and maybe a month's worth of vitamins supplements for the over-50's (approx double the normal
    daily dose for 30 days) and that's all one can really do... that because
    not everyone is under lockdown conditions all at the same time it's gonna
    be around for months and unavoidable because of that...




    I plan on avoiding the virus.
    If I get it, I plan on surviving.
    For many people it's just another flu like experience.

    ### - the peeps it's hitting hardest are those with existing conditions,
    so you've still got time to get yourself well enough to be able to handle
    it, you've been ill this long your md should have you on some serious antibiotics by now to clear up any lingering infection, if not then ask
    for them directly, especially in-light of this new thing coming along
    soon, makes sense to shake one before risking another...



    The panic is what to watch out for.

    Some inspiration:
    https://youtu.be/Aas3YQKIFeY?t=3514

    ### - i think you'll be alright, just make sure to get rid of any current infection before this new thing really gets going in the community (which
    could take another 6 or 8 weeks before it's actually knocking on our door) plenty of time then to get yourself fit again, that's all you really have
    to (and can) do under the circumstances...

    am not personally gonna hide from it, living in london it's impossible not
    to encounter others, and even if i don't see 'em (i often do my shopping
    at 4am in the morning for example lol) they still been around all day
    coughing on everything and touching things haha, so fuck it; if this is
    how i have to go out then so be it... that said, might wash my hands a bit
    more whenever i leave the house heh but that's about it, otherwise it (and they) can kiss my proverbial hairy ass! ;)

    (stay in good humour matey; be strong by laffing in the face of
    adversity... and if the worst comes to the worst, then with your last
    breath give it the finger and tell it to fuck off haha...)

    what else can a poor boy do! ;)

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, March 01, 2020 12:48:39
    From: intraphase@gmail.com


    am not personally gonna hide from it, living in london it's impossible not
    to encounter others, and even if i don't see 'em (i often do my shopping
    at 4am in the morning for example lol) they still been around all day coughing on everything and touching things haha, so fuck it; if this is
    how i have to go out then so be it... that said, might wash my hands a bit more whenever i leave the house heh but that's about it, otherwise it (and they) can kiss my proverbial hairy ass! ;)

    It's like that high speed bridge of silence between logic and intuition
    we have talked about in the past, with a virus it's a balance between
    fatalism of proceeding ever onward and strategery of letting intuition
    guide the way to the best future.


    (stay in good humour matey; be strong by laffing in the face of
    adversity... and if the worst comes to the worst, then with your last
    breath give it the finger and tell it to fuck off haha...)

    what else can a poor boy do! ;)

    Amen Dude, go down fighting and laughing to the last breath.

    An interesting discussion in a time compressed format.
    Best part is a talk of the competing factions in CCCP called
    the Red Hand and the White Hand.

    A comprehensive panel of strategist and subject experts. https://pandemic.warroom.org/ep-29-war-room-pandemic/


    I am on the mend to 85-95% always level, should be 100% in 4-5 days. https://pandemic.warroom.org/ep-29-war-room-pandemic/

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  • From luckyrat@1:229/2 to All on Monday, March 02, 2020 13:24:46
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    son of a bitch, stockys are up 1300 points !
    holy chigas. sell hello to 401K value again .

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Monday, March 02, 2020 17:34:01
    From: slider@atashram.com

    The Earth has its way with thinin' the herd(s).

    ### - this above statement echoed again in my ears last night as the total known infected in the uk rose to 40 + now appears to be all over the place here, london included...

    that for sure it's a somewhat cynical opinion, but is also possibly
    indirectly correct as well in some ways too?

    that if'n i wanted to be 'really' cynical about it (and sometimes i am
    about stuff heh) would have to say/suggest that: it looks like they's
    finally got it 'right' this time? (sars and previous flu's being only
    practice shots) - something highly infectious that that goes 'reliantly' global; 'this' time only targeting the old & infirm, but later - and with
    say a couple more modifications to it genetically etc - perhaps even more specifically targeted at say certain ethnic groups and/or types as well +
    god help us if they ever discover some kinda gene for being left wing huh!
    ;)

    not that i really accept any of that, of course, heh, it's just a very
    cynical pov based on how have seen these fuckers tend to think, work &
    plan occasionally entirely for their own completely selfish purposes as
    opposed to the benefit of mankind any?

    nah, they'd never do summat as horrible as that would they? they're not
    THAT stupid surely??

    one can only live in hope :)

    might make a gripping movie though heh: the muslims, and then the russians taken out by a muslim/russian-seeking virus and no one knows why, the
    chinese then perhaps rolling-over rather than facing the same treatment as
    a new world order arises; subplots including one mad fucker who also wants
    to target other types like jews, blacks & italians (because he can and
    doesn't personally like italians (or whomever) for some reason, just to highlight just how fuckin' nuts the ahole is heh) he then going-on to
    infect the chinese anyway and then everyone else too either by accident or design + then there's a mad scramble, as the whole shocking plot comes
    out, to find a cure before it kills every fucker on the planet!

    the end perhaps being left open as to whether or not we succeed in
    averting the end of humanity in the proverbial nick-of-time, although
    being in a cynical-type frame of mind am tempted to let it just eventually
    kill everyone off as in the end of the movie: 'on the beach' showing that
    the mistake we made was thus ultimately fatal and we gots no second
    chances; fade-out/final scene of perfectly preserved cities & buildings
    but no people; the world is saved but not humanity, which were the cause
    of the earth starting to die...

    Death because we were dumb! the earth gots rid of us! (shock ending/moral
    to the story hehe) it gave us only so many chances! that it was never only
    just about us! that we went mad and drifted away from being
    sane/in-harmony with nature: and our epitaph as read by the last dying man
    on earth in the movie...

    not exactly a hollywood block-buster, but maybe a good tv-movie
    downloadable via netflix for a few bucks etc... every fucker would prolly
    wanna see it, that is from the safety of their sofas munchin' popcorns &
    colas anyway heh ;)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, March 04, 2020 11:51:46
    From: slider@anashram.com

    not exactly a hollywood block-buster, but maybe a good tv-movie
    downloadable via netflix for a few bucks etc... every fucker would
    prolly wanna see it, that is from the safety of their sofas munchin'
    popcorns & colas anyway heh ;)

    ### - (not so cynical today heh) - looks like they's goin' for a
    'lockdown' here now (about bloody time! + should have done it last week!)
    the overnight news that 16 of iran's members of government have now fallen
    ill to this thing apparently galvanising more action from mp's in the uk?
    haha :)))

    our queen seen wearing 'gloves' for the first time during one particular
    public presentation to some old soldier yesterday, being unprecedented +
    saying it all?? oh they's gettin' scared now...

    hopefully, this thing will turn out to be a damp squib similar to that
    swine flu that had everyone so scared that time? which was actually
    declared as pandemic but just kinda fizzled out? any very slight change in their constantly + rapidly evolving dna rendering them virtually harmless
    quite quickly and which seems to be nature's way of dealing with shit, and
    is only if it goes the other way by becoming more lethal that things
    sometimes go very wrong but which is generally unlikely the longer it goes on...

    interesting times indeed; they's been battenin' down the hatches here
    since 1948 ;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcku_q09yag

    haha :)))

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to intraphase@gmail.com on Wednesday, March 04, 2020 21:11:21
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 04:25:36 -0800 (PST), LowRider44M
    <intraphase@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at 6:52:17 AM UTC-5, slider wrote:
    not exactly a hollywood block-buster, but maybe a good tv-movie
    downloadable via netflix for a few bucks etc... every fucker would
    prolly wanna see it, that is from the safety of their sofas munchin'
    popcorns & colas anyway heh ;)

    ### - (not so cynical today heh) - looks like they's goin' for a
    'lockdown' here now (about bloody time! + should have done it last week!)
    the overnight news that 16 of iran's members of government have now fallen >> ill to this thing apparently galvanising more action from mp's in the uk?
    haha :)))

    our queen seen wearing 'gloves' for the first time during one particular
    public presentation to some old soldier yesterday, being unprecedented +
    saying it all?? oh they's gettin' scared now...

    hopefully, this thing will turn out to be a damp squib similar to that
    swine flu that had everyone so scared that time? which was actually
    declared as pandemic but just kinda fizzled out? any very slight change in >> their constantly + rapidly evolving dna rendering them virtually harmless
    quite quickly and which seems to be nature's way of dealing with shit, and >> is only if it goes the other way by becoming more lethal that things
    sometimes go very wrong but which is generally unlikely the longer it goes >> on...

    interesting times indeed; they's been battenin' down the hatches here
    since 1948 ;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcku_q09yag

    haha :)))


    I think IMHO the organs of propaganda are trying to strike a balance
    between absolute panic and the terror it brings (mass psychosis) and
    a cavalier blase of it's just another seasonal flu.

    Gobbledegook...

    Reassuring facts: C19 has been circulating in the US for 8-10 weeks.

    Bullshit. Cite your source.

    Probably a million people have had it and thought it was the flu.

    Bullshit. Cite your source.

    For the 70 year olds and above it is ten times worse than flu.

    Here's the PRECISE stats to date:

    AGE DEATH RATEconfirmed cases DEATH RATEall cases
    80+ years old 21.9% 14.8%
    70-79 years old 8.0%
    60-69 years old 3.6%
    50-59 years old 1.3%
    40-49 years old 0.4%
    30-39 years old 0.2%
    20-29 years old 0.2%
    10-19 years old 0.2%
    0-9 years old no fatalities

    It doesn't attack children. This makes this virus particle very very
    strange indeed. Perhaps genetically engineered?


    One in ten thousand 0.01 die from flu and for 70+ it's one in a thousand as 0.1.
    So it is a significant threat for elderly. The Queens response seems logical >and reassures the elderly, "this thing can be fought."

    Nonsense. Check with the CDC figures here for influenza mortality
    rates:

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

    The upper estimate of annual infections -> hospitalisations -> deaths
    is: 45000000->810000 -> 61000 which gives ME a ratio of 61000/45000000
    which gives ME a proportion of 0.001which is one in a thousand
    overall. I don't know where you got one in ten thousand, which would
    be 0.0001

    The overall mortality of COVID-19 is still being established but looks
    to be between 2-3%. The lower end, 0.02, makes COVID-19 .02/.001 = 20
    times more lethal than seasonal influenza A and B.

    That's TWENTY FUCKING TIMES more lethal. Got it?
    And COVID-19 is not the flu, it is not any form of influenza, from
    Spanish to Hong Kong to A or B. It's different and unknown and very
    very strange. As I said, probably genetically engineered to knock off
    ruling age groups of 55+, but those fucking Chinese let the genie out
    of the bucket.

    /conspiracy theory//


    Remember this though: If China had stopped their Lunar New Year festival
    in Wuhan, the minute the doctors discovered C19 on December 05 we would not >be talking about this as epidemic. It really is all about sane precautions. >Although nursing homes are the real battle ground for the 1 per thousand.

    That would be the 1 per thousand who die each year from seasonal flu,
    yes? Not the 2 or 3 per hundred who are dying right now from
    COVID-19. yes?

    Jesus...get ya facts straight, we're not ALL demented here you know.


    Here's a powerful article on "What WE ARE NOT experiencing."

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to slider on Wednesday, March 04, 2020 04:25:36
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at 6:52:17 AM UTC-5, slider wrote:
    not exactly a hollywood block-buster, but maybe a good tv-movie downloadable via netflix for a few bucks etc... every fucker would
    prolly wanna see it, that is from the safety of their sofas munchin' popcorns & colas anyway heh ;)

    ### - (not so cynical today heh) - looks like they's goin' for a
    'lockdown' here now (about bloody time! + should have done it last week!) the overnight news that 16 of iran's members of government have now fallen ill to this thing apparently galvanising more action from mp's in the uk? haha :)))

    our queen seen wearing 'gloves' for the first time during one particular public presentation to some old soldier yesterday, being unprecedented + saying it all?? oh they's gettin' scared now...

    hopefully, this thing will turn out to be a damp squib similar to that swine flu that had everyone so scared that time? which was actually declared as pandemic but just kinda fizzled out? any very slight change in their constantly + rapidly evolving dna rendering them virtually harmless quite quickly and which seems to be nature's way of dealing with shit, and is only if it goes the other way by becoming more lethal that things sometimes go very wrong but which is generally unlikely the longer it goes on...

    interesting times indeed; they's been battenin' down the hatches here
    since 1948 ;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcku_q09yag

    haha :)))


    I think IMHO the organs of propaganda are trying to strike a balance
    between absolute panic and the terror it brings (mass psychosis) and
    a cavalier blase of it's just another seasonal flu.

    Reassuring facts: C19 has been circulating in the US for 8-10 weeks.
    Probably a million people have had it and thought it was the flu.
    For the 70 year olds and above it is ten times worse than flu.
    One in ten thousand 0.01 die from flu and for 70+ it's one in a thousand as 0.1.
    So it is a significant threat for elderly. The Queens response seems logical and reassures the elderly, "this thing can be fought."

    Remember this though: If China had stopped their Lunar New Year festival
    in Wuhan, the minute the doctors discovered C19 on December 05 we would not
    be talking about this as epidemic. It really is all about sane precautions. Although nursing homes are the real battle ground for the 1 per thousand.


    Here's a powerful article on "What WE ARE NOT experiencing." https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200302-coronavirus-what-can-we-learn-from-the-spanish-flu


    In the aftermath of World War One, a flu pandemic swept the world, killing at least 50 million people. What lessons can it teach us about Covid-19?
    Author image
    By Stephen Dowling
    2nd March 2020

    O

    One hundred years ago, a world recovering from a global war that had killed some 20 million people suddenly had to contend with something even more deadly:
    a flu outbreak.

    The pandemic, which became known as Spanish flu, is thought to have begun in cramped and crowded army training camps on the Western Front. The unsanitary conditions – especially in the trenches along the French border – helped it
    incubate and then
    spread. The war ended in November 1918, but as the soldiers returned home, bringing the virus with them, an even greater loss of life was just around the corner; between 50 million and 100 million people are thought to have died.

    The world has suffered many pandemics in the years since – at least three serious flu outbreaks among them – but no pandemic has been as deadly, nor as
    far-reaching.

    As the world reacts to a headline-grabbing – yet far, far less deadly – outbreak of Covid-19, caused by a new coronavirus, BBC Future looks back to our
    2018 special marking the 100th anniversary of Spanish Flu to see what we learned from one of the
    most devastating diseases in recent history.

    Pneumonia is often the killer

    Many of the people dying from Covid-19 are succumbing to a form of pneumonia, which takes hold as the immune system is weakened from fighting the virus.

    This is something that it shares with Spanish flu – though it must be said that the death rate from Covid-19 is many times lower than that of Spanish flu.
    Older people and those with compromised immune systems – who make up the majority of those who
    have been killed by the disease so far – are more susceptible to infections that cause pneumonia.

    Read more: The flu that changed the world

    Few places escaped

    Air travel was in its infancy when Spanish flu struck. But there are few places
    on Earth that escaped its horrific effects. Its passage across the world was slower, carried by railway and passenger steamer rather by airliners. Some places held out for
    months, or even years, before the flu arrived and wreaked its terrible toll.

    The coronavirus, though capturing public attention, is significantly less lethal than Spanish Flu (Credit: Getty Images)

    But some places did manage to keep the flu at bay, often by using basic techniques that are still being used 100 years later. In Alaska, one community on Bristol Bay escaped the flu almost unscathed. They closed schools, banned public gatherings, and
    shut off access to the village from the main road. It was a low-tech version of
    the travel restrictions that have been used in some areas today, such as China’s Hubei province and northern Italy, in an effort to stop the coronavirus spreading.

    Read more: The places that escaped the Spanish Flu

    Different viruses target different populations

    Doctors have described the Spanish flu as the “greatest medical holocaust in history”. It was not just the fact it killed so many, it was that so many of its victims were young and healthy. Normally, a healthy immune system can deal reasonably well
    with flu, but this version struck so quickly that it overwhelmed the immune system, causing a massive over-reaction known as a cytokine storm, flooding the
    lungs with fluid which became the perfect reservoir for secondary infections. Older people,
    interestingly, were not as susceptible, perhaps because they had survived a very similar strain of flu which had started to spread through human populations in the 1830s.

    The flu spurred the development of public health systems across the developed world, as scientists and governments realised pandemics would spread more quickly

    With the new coronavirus, the elderly and people with pre-existing illnesses are considered to be most at risk. Although still low, deaths have been highest
    in those aged above 80 years old.

    Read more: Why was Spanish Flu so deadly?

    Public health is the best defence

    The Spanish flu broke out in a world which had just come out of a global war, with vital public resources diverted to military efforts. The idea of a public health system was its infancy – in many places, only the middle class or the rich could afford
    to visit a doctor. The flu killed many in slums and other poor urban areas, among populations with poor nutrition and sanitation, and often those with underlying health conditions.

    The flu spurred the development of public health systems across the developed world, as scientists and governments realised pandemics would spread more quickly than they had in the past.

    Masks were in high demand during the Spanish Flu outbreak as well (Credit: Getty Images)

    Treating people on a case-by-case basis would not be enough – to deal with pandemics in urban settings, governments would have to mobilise resources as if
    they were at war, quarantining those showing signs of the disease, keeping minor cases separate
    to those suffering more serious illness, and limiting people’s movements so the disease would burn itself out.

    The public health measures we see being enacted today across the world as efforts to contain the spread of coronavirus are one of the Spanish flu’s most enduring effects.

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, March 04, 2020 06:49:48
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    Your a science addict.

    The US has only tested 3000 people because the Center for Disease Control fucked up the test design. Within a week a million test shall be done
    by the fifty states and you shall see it's been circulating.

    Maybe a million people was hyperbole.
    I believe I just recovered from Covid-19.
    Hospitalization included with no CDC approved testing.

    Follow this story as an example:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8072433/Manhattan-lawyer-severe-condition-testing-positive-coronavirus.html

    He only gets diagnosed because he has an UNDERLYING condition.
    He went here there and everywhere before being officially diagnosed.
    So if he is a "super spreader" WHERE ARE THE OTHER CASES?? !!!


    WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE 9 US PATIENTS WHO DIED FROM CORONAVIRUS

    So far, nine people have died of coronavirus in the US, federal and local health officials say.

    All of the deaths have occurred in Washington state - eight are residents of King County and one of Snohomish County.

    Six of the patients all died at EvergreenHealth in Kirkland and one died at Seattle's Harborview Medical Center. One was not hospitalized and one case is unknown.

    Most came from Life Care Center, a long-term care facility.

    Here's what we currently know:

    1. A man in his 50s was brought from Life Care Center to Harborview Medical Center on February 24. He died two days later and is the first death in the US from coronavirus

    2. A man in his 50s from King County who had underlying health conditions. He was hospitalized and died at EvergreenHealth on February 28.

    3. A man in his 40s from Snohomish County who died after being hospitalized at EvergreenHealth in Kirkland

    4. A woman in her 70s, who lived at Life Care and was hospitalized at EvergreenHealth. She had pre-existing conditions, and died on Sunday,

    5. A man in his 70s, who was also a resident of Life Care, was hospitalized at EvergreenHealth. He died on Sunday and also had underlying health conditions.

    6. A man in his 70s, linked to Life Care, was hospitalized at EvergreenHealth. He died on February 29 and pre-existing conditions

    7. A woman in her 80s, who was linked to Life Care and was previously reported to be in critical condition at EvergreenHealth, died on Sunday.

    8. A woman in her 80s, who was a resident of Life Care and was never hospitalized, died at her family home on February 26.

    9. The Washington State Department of Public Health confirmed a ninth deaths, but details remain unclear.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From luckyrat@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, March 04, 2020 07:55:45
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    don't get to excited, remember about 250,000 people
    die everyday on planet Earth

    remember that's every day, all the time.
    since you've been here and after you leave
    it will still be happening.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, March 04, 2020 15:23:40
    From: slider@atashram.com

    interesting times indeed; they's been battenin' down the hatches here
    since 1948 ;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcku_q09yag

    haha :)))


    I think IMHO the organs of propaganda are trying to strike a balance
    between absolute panic and the terror it brings (mass psychosis) and
    a cavalier blase of it's just another seasonal flu.

    ### - totally agree: they have to! - and is actually quite interesting
    from that very-objective pov; of how society is managed (has to be
    managed) under such circumstances... a difficult + very fine line to walk
    with little leeway either side allowing for error... something the brits
    have been practicing getting good at for nigh on 1000 years so they know a thing or 3 about 'working' it to very certain/calculated ends + much then
    too about how to stop it all from going off the rails...



    Reassuring facts: C19 has been circulating in the US for 8-10 weeks.
    Probably a million people have had it and thought it was the flu.
    For the 70 year olds and above it is ten times worse than flu.
    One in ten thousand 0.01 die from flu and for 70+ it's one in a thousand
    as 0.1.
    So it is a significant threat for elderly. The Queens response seems
    logical
    and reassures the elderly, "this thing can be fought."

    ### - accepted... 'gloves' obviously then being quite a good idea (for
    everyone i meant) if they make her majesty wear them; such advice to her
    coming only from the very top etc...




    Remember this though: If China had stopped their Lunar New Year festival
    in Wuhan, the minute the doctors discovered C19 on December 05 we would
    not
    be talking about this as epidemic. It really is all about sane
    precautions.
    Although nursing homes are the real battle ground for the 1 per thousand.

    ### - methinks these are just early days in learning to live with such dangerous pandemics, that we're only really learning the required
    protocols now via these very experiences, the previous suggestion for an immediate 2-week global lockdown whenever these things are first
    identified, was only really half-joking in content and because it's gonna
    have to be something along those lines if we don't want to suffer a
    worst-case scenario with something even more deadly...

    that we've created the global village, and so now we're gonna have to
    learn how to adapt to living with some of the fairly predictable hazards
    of having done so... one of which may have to include setting aside enough surplus supplies etc to carry us through say a whole month of being on
    global lockdown every now and again: once every 10-years maybe! and then
    we can say we have allowed for it + have now obviated the problem :)




    Here's a powerful article on "What WE ARE NOT experiencing." https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200302-coronavirus-what-can-we-learn-from-the-spanish-flu


    In the aftermath of World War One, a flu pandemic swept the world,
    killing at least 50 million people. What lessons can it teach us about Covid-19?
    Author image
    By Stephen Dowling
    2nd March 2020

    O

    One hundred years ago, a world recovering from a global war that had
    killed some 20 million people suddenly had to contend with something
    even more deadly: a flu outbreak.

    The pandemic, which became known as Spanish flu, is thought to have
    begun in cramped and crowded army training camps on the Western Front.
    The unsanitary conditions – especially in the trenches along the French border – helped it incubate and then spread. The war ended in November 1918, but as the soldiers returned home, bringing the virus with them,
    an even greater loss of life was just around the corner; between 50
    million and 100 million people are thought to have died.

    The world has suffered many pandemics in the years since – at least
    three serious flu outbreaks among them – but no pandemic has been as deadly, nor as far-reaching.

    As the world reacts to a headline-grabbing – yet far, far less deadly – outbreak of Covid-19, caused by a new coronavirus, BBC Future looks back
    to our 2018 special marking the 100th anniversary of Spanish Flu to see
    what we learned from one of the most devastating diseases in recent
    history.

    Pneumonia is often the killer

    Many of the people dying from Covid-19 are succumbing to a form of
    pneumonia, which takes hold as the immune system is weakened from
    fighting the virus.

    This is something that it shares with Spanish flu – though it must be
    said that the death rate from Covid-19 is many times lower than that of Spanish flu. Older people and those with compromised immune systems –
    who make up the majority of those who have been killed by the disease so
    far – are more susceptible to infections that cause pneumonia.

    Read more: The flu that changed the world

    Few places escaped

    Air travel was in its infancy when Spanish flu struck. But there are few places on Earth that escaped its horrific effects. Its passage across
    the world was slower, carried by railway and passenger steamer rather by airliners. Some places held out for months, or even years, before the
    flu arrived and wreaked its terrible toll.

    The coronavirus, though capturing public attention, is significantly
    less lethal than Spanish Flu (Credit: Getty Images)

    But some places did manage to keep the flu at bay, often by using basic techniques that are still being used 100 years later. In Alaska, one community on Bristol Bay escaped the flu almost unscathed. They closed schools, banned public gatherings, and shut off access to the village
    from the main road. It was a low-tech version of the travel restrictions
    that have been used in some areas today, such as China’s Hubei province
    and northern Italy, in an effort to stop the coronavirus spreading.

    Read more: The places that escaped the Spanish Flu

    Different viruses target different populations

    Doctors have described the Spanish flu as the “greatest medical
    holocaust in history”. It was not just the fact it killed so many, it
    was that so many of its victims were young and healthy. Normally, a
    healthy immune system can deal reasonably well with flu, but this
    version struck so quickly that it overwhelmed the immune system, causing
    a massive over-reaction known as a cytokine storm, flooding the lungs
    with fluid which became the perfect reservoir for secondary infections.
    Older people, interestingly, were not as susceptible, perhaps because
    they had survived a very similar strain of flu which had started to
    spread through human populations in the 1830s.

    The flu spurred the development of public health systems across the developed world, as scientists and governments realised pandemics would spread more quickly

    With the new coronavirus, the elderly and people with pre-existing
    illnesses are considered to be most at risk. Although still low, deaths
    have been highest in those aged above 80 years old.

    Read more: Why was Spanish Flu so deadly?

    Public health is the best defence

    The Spanish flu broke out in a world which had just come out of a global
    war, with vital public resources diverted to military efforts. The idea
    of a public health system was its infancy – in many places, only the
    middle class or the rich could afford to visit a doctor. The flu killed
    many in slums and other poor urban areas, among populations with poor nutrition and sanitation, and often those with underlying health
    conditions.

    The flu spurred the development of public health systems across the
    developed world, as scientists and governments realised pandemics would spread more quickly than they had in the past.

    Masks were in high demand during the Spanish Flu outbreak as well
    (Credit: Getty Images)

    Treating people on a case-by-case basis would not be enough – to deal
    with pandemics in urban settings, governments would have to mobilise resources as if they were at war, quarantining those showing signs of
    the disease, keeping minor cases separate to those suffering more
    serious illness, and limiting people’s movements so the disease would
    burn itself out.

    The public health measures we see being enacted today across the world
    as efforts to contain the spread of coronavirus are one of the Spanish flu’s most enduring effects.

    ### - it would seem to be as-contagious as spanish flu + slightly more deadly...

    the spanish flu hit the world while it was at a very low ebb though just
    after ww1, people were in a weakened position in every sense of the term, everyone was affected... today, however, people are very much more robust
    in many ways, things haven't been great for the last 70 years but they
    haven't been anything near as bad as ww1 & 2 either! morale is higher,
    health is stronger, confidence & self-esteem is higher probably than ever before (sounds like an advert for a fucking holiday camp lol! which it is! albeit currently a very cruel one...)

    necessity being the mother of invention they'll realise soon enough that
    we have to expect such things 'and' learn to handle them; we're being
    forced to adapt by nature itself!

    learning to act enough in-time to be effective seems to be our current
    lesson, and if/when it costs us enough we'll eventually learn to strike
    some kinda more correct balance with it whatever it takes, and move on...

    :)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to slider on Wednesday, March 04, 2020 12:02:58
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at 10:24:13 AM UTC-5, slider wrote:
    interesting times indeed; they's been battenin' down the hatches here
    since 1948 ;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcku_q09yag

    haha :)))


    I think IMHO the organs of propaganda are trying to strike a balance between absolute panic and the terror it brings (mass psychosis) and
    a cavalier blase of it's just another seasonal flu.

    ### - totally agree: they have to! - and is actually quite interesting
    from that very-objective pov; of how society is managed (has to be managed) under such circumstances... a difficult + very fine line to walk with little leeway either side allowing for error... something the brits have been practicing getting good at for nigh on 1000 years so they know a thing or 3 about 'working' it to very certain/calculated ends + much then too about how to stop it all from going off the rails...


    The most shopworn one; "Keep a stiff upper lip."

    Sooner or later the real statistics on threat ratio should coalesce.

    Here's a stupid bitch story of a health care worker, no less. https://nypost.com/2020/03/04/coronavirus-patient-ignored-self-isolation-order-to-go-to-business-event/




    Reassuring facts: C19 has been circulating in the US for 8-10 weeks. Probably a million people have had it and thought it was the flu.
    For the 70 year olds and above it is ten times worse than flu.
    One in ten thousand 0.01 die from flu and for 70+ it's one in a thousand as 0.1.
    So it is a significant threat for elderly. The Queens response seems logical
    and reassures the elderly, "this thing can be fought."

    ### - accepted... 'gloves' obviously then being quite a good idea (for everyone i meant) if they make her majesty wear them; such advice to her coming only from the very top etc...




    Remember this though: If China had stopped their Lunar New Year festival
    in Wuhan, the minute the doctors discovered C19 on December 05 we would not
    be talking about this as epidemic. It really is all about sane precautions.
    Although nursing homes are the real battle ground for the 1 per thousand.

    ### - methinks these are just early days in learning to live with such dangerous pandemics, that we're only really learning the required
    protocols now via these very experiences, the previous suggestion for an immediate 2-week global lockdown whenever these things are first identified, was only really half-joking in content and because it's gonna have to be something along those lines if we don't want to suffer a worst-case scenario with something even more deadly...

    I often ponder such possibilities, is this a "divine style" warning
    shot that changes behavior to prevent an unbelievable catastrophe.
    The Chinese are rethinking the whole bio weapons gig.



    that we've created the global village, and so now we're gonna have to
    learn how to adapt to living with some of the fairly predictable hazards
    of having done so... one of which may have to include setting aside enough surplus supplies etc to carry us through say a whole month of being on global lockdown every now and again: once every 10-years maybe! and then
    we can say we have allowed for it + have now obviated the problem :)


    It makes the case for nation states as family units in a neighborhood.

    Here's a powerful article on "What WE ARE NOT experiencing." https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200302-coronavirus-what-can-we-learn-from-the-spanish-flu


    In the aftermath of World War One, a flu pandemic swept the world, killing at least 50 million people. What lessons can it teach us about Covid-19?
    Author image
    By Stephen Dowling
    2nd March 2020

    O

    One hundred years ago, a world recovering from a global war that had killed some 20 million people suddenly had to contend with something
    even more deadly: a flu outbreak.

    The pandemic, which became known as Spanish flu, is thought to have
    begun in cramped and crowded army training camps on the Western Front. The unsanitary conditions – especially in the trenches along the French border – helped it incubate and then spread. The war ended in November 1918, but as the soldiers returned home, bringing the virus with them,
    an even greater loss of life was just around the corner; between 50 million and 100 million people are thought to have died.

    The world has suffered many pandemics in the years since – at least three serious flu outbreaks among them – but no pandemic has been as deadly, nor as far-reaching.

    As the world reacts to a headline-grabbing – yet far, far less deadly –

    outbreak of Covid-19, caused by a new coronavirus, BBC Future looks back to our 2018 special marking the 100th anniversary of Spanish Flu to see what we learned from one of the most devastating diseases in recent history.

    Pneumonia is often the killer

    Many of the people dying from Covid-19 are succumbing to a form of pneumonia, which takes hold as the immune system is weakened from fighting the virus.

    This is something that it shares with Spanish flu – though it must be said that the death rate from Covid-19 is many times lower than that of Spanish flu. Older people and those with compromised immune systems – who make up the majority of those who have been killed by the disease so far – are more susceptible to infections that cause pneumonia.

    Read more: The flu that changed the world

    Few places escaped

    Air travel was in its infancy when Spanish flu struck. But there are few places on Earth that escaped its horrific effects. Its passage across
    the world was slower, carried by railway and passenger steamer rather by airliners. Some places held out for months, or even years, before the
    flu arrived and wreaked its terrible toll.

    The coronavirus, though capturing public attention, is significantly
    less lethal than Spanish Flu (Credit: Getty Images)

    But some places did manage to keep the flu at bay, often by using basic techniques that are still being used 100 years later. In Alaska, one community on Bristol Bay escaped the flu almost unscathed. They closed schools, banned public gatherings, and shut off access to the village from the main road. It was a low-tech version of the travel restrictions that have been used in some areas today, such as China’s Hubei province and northern Italy, in an effort to stop the coronavirus spreading.

    Read more: The places that escaped the Spanish Flu

    Different viruses target different populations

    Doctors have described the Spanish flu as the “greatest medical holocaust in history”. It was not just the fact it killed so many, it was that so many of its victims were young and healthy. Normally, a healthy immune system can deal reasonably well with flu, but this
    version struck so quickly that it overwhelmed the immune system, causing a massive over-reaction known as a cytokine storm, flooding the lungs with fluid which became the perfect reservoir for secondary infections. Older people, interestingly, were not as susceptible, perhaps because they had survived a very similar strain of flu which had started to spread through human populations in the 1830s.

    The flu spurred the development of public health systems across the developed world, as scientists and governments realised pandemics would spread more quickly

    With the new coronavirus, the elderly and people with pre-existing illnesses are considered to be most at risk. Although still low, deaths have been highest in those aged above 80 years old.

    Read more: Why was Spanish Flu so deadly?

    Public health is the best defence

    The Spanish flu broke out in a world which had just come out of a global war, with vital public resources diverted to military efforts. The idea of a public health system was its infancy – in many places, only the middle class or the rich could afford to visit a doctor. The flu killed many in slums and other poor urban areas, among populations with poor nutrition and sanitation, and often those with underlying health conditions.

    The flu spurred the development of public health systems across the developed world, as scientists and governments realised pandemics would spread more quickly than they had in the past.

    Masks were in high demand during the Spanish Flu outbreak as well (Credit: Getty Images)

    Treating people on a case-by-case basis would not be enough – to deal with pandemics in urban settings, governments would have to mobilise resources as if they were at war, quarantining those showing signs of
    the disease, keeping minor cases separate to those suffering more
    serious illness, and limiting people’s movements so the disease would burn itself out.

    The public health measures we see being enacted today across the world
    as efforts to contain the spread of coronavirus are one of the Spanish flu’s most enduring effects.

    ### - it would seem to be as-contagious as spanish flu + slightly more deadly...

    the spanish flu hit the world while it was at a very low ebb though just after ww1, people were in a weakened position in every sense of the term, everyone was affected... today, however, people are very much more robust in many ways, things haven't been great for the last 70 years but they haven't been anything near as bad as ww1 & 2 either! morale is higher, health is stronger, confidence & self-esteem is higher probably than ever before (sounds like an advert for a fucking holiday camp lol! which it is! albeit currently a very cruel one...)

    necessity being the mother of invention they'll realise soon enough that
    we have to expect such things 'and' learn to handle them; we're being forced to adapt by nature itself!

    Absolutely


    learning to act enough in-time to be effective seems to be our current lesson, and if/when it costs us enough we'll eventually learn to strike some kinda more correct balance with it whatever it takes, and move on...

    :)

    Learning to live in peace with self, other and nature.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to allreadydun@gmail.com on Thursday, March 05, 2020 09:13:44
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 07:55:45 -0800 (PST), luckyrat
    <allreadydun@gmail.com> wrote:

    don't get to excited, remember about 250,000 people
    die everyday on planet Earth

    remember that's every day, all the time.
    since you've been here and after you leave
    it will still be happening.

    It's spreading through Cali mate, you live there and you're over 70.
    Check the mortality stats. I'm 65 and I'm concerned, not yet worried.
    Prepped to the eyeballs too.

    Don't forget the swathe AIDS cut through Cali last century. Sometimes libertarianism has its own dangers.

    And finally, while academically we know a quarter of a million die off
    each day, when one of those is YOU, then the focus intensifies by a
    quarter million times.

    We also know academically black holes swallow suns, neutron stars
    irradiate with gamma rays entire arcs of planets - yet if any of these
    dangers presented to our terra firma, the focus would become very
    intense indeed.

    Your argument, if that's what it is, is hackneyed.



    We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark;
    the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.

    Plato

    --
    This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to luckyrat on Wednesday, March 04, 2020 18:30:40
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at 10:55:46 AM UTC-5, luckyrat wrote:
    don't get to excited, remember about 250,000 people
    die everyday on planet Earth

    remember that's every day, all the time.
    since you've been here and after you leave
    it will still be happening.

    I have a recurring dream.
    I die on April 07 2048 at 8:05 AM EST.
    I sit on the edge of my bed unaware I am dead
    Three basketball size orbs of light are about six feet away.
    I walk to the line of white light math engines and place my
    hands on the outer two in the triplet line. Then I am back in
    my original circular world of sixty-four gates and equation consoles.
    Then I wake up from this world and ponder where to go or whether to rest.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to thang ornerythinchus on Wednesday, March 04, 2020 18:22:48
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at 8:13:48 PM UTC-5, thang ornerythinchus wrote:
    On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 07:55:45 -0800 (PST), luckyrat
    <allreadydun@gmail.com> wrote:

    don't get to excited, remember about 250,000 people
    die everyday on planet Earth

    remember that's every day, all the time.
    since you've been here and after you leave
    it will still be happening.

    It's spreading through Cali mate, you live there and you're over 70.
    Check the mortality stats. I'm 65 and I'm concerned, not yet worried. Prepped to the eyeballs too.


    Same here 120 days of everything plus masks and gloves.

    Don't forget the swathe AIDS cut through Cali last century. Sometimes libertarianism has its own dangers.

    And finally, while academically we know a quarter of a million die off
    each day, when one of those is YOU, then the focus intensifies by a
    quarter million times.


    Agreed.

    We also know academically black holes swallow suns, neutron stars
    irradiate with gamma rays entire arcs of planets - yet if any of these dangers presented to our terra firma, the focus would become very
    intense indeed.

    Your argument, if that's what it is, is hackneyed.


    Nice choice of adjectives.



    We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark;
    the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.

    Plato

    --


    A comprehensive presser on USA strategy.
    https://youtu.be/uwLtZq8yyAo

    Things are gearing up here to wage a calm patient war.
    There are weirdos and outliers always but 99% are ready to proceed.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, March 06, 2020 12:38:25
    From: slider@atashram.com

    son of a bitch, stockys are up 1300 points !
    holy chigas. sell hello to 401K value again .

    ### - aaand she's down again by 1000 hahaha :)))

    she's up she's down!

    spread-bettors must be earning a fortune?

    coz the actual market value is 1000 higher so just watch it rebound again
    at some point?

    (slider accordingly bets a 5 per point (up spread-bet) set to auto-sell @
    1000 points rise = 5000 profit minus daily fees hehe...)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)