• US directly communicating with DPRK

    From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, October 01, 2017 11:10:45
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    http://www.watoday.com.au/world/us-directly-communicating-with-north-korea-says-us-secretary-of-state-20170930-gys0w6.html

    The US clearly doesn't want a war. Nor does Kim. Panic over.
    Business as usual...

    "If the quark masses,or the basic forces, or the cosmological constant
    had been much different, the Universe would have been a sterile wasteland.
    It seems that the only reactions are either to embrace a multiverse
    or a designer."

    Tim Maudlin, New York University

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  • From yournamehere@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, October 01, 2017 07:37:11
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    It seems that the only reactions are either to embrace a multiverse
    or a designer."

    or a group of designers.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to thangolossus@gmail.com on Sunday, October 01, 2017 23:19:51
    From: slider@nanashram.com

    On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 04:10:45 +0100, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:


    http://www.watoday.com.au/world/us-directly-communicating-with-north-korea-says-us-secretary-of-state-20170930-gys0w6.html

    The US clearly doesn't want a war. Nor does Kim. Panic over.
    Business as usual...

    ### - versus:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/01/politics/donald-trump-rex-tillerson-north-korea/index.html

    Trump: Tillerson 'wasting his time' negotiating with North Korea

    Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump on Sunday again mocked North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and said Secretary of State Rex Tillerson should not
    bother trying to negotiate with him in an effort to stop the country's development of nuclear weapons.

    "I told Rex Tillerson, our wonderful Secretary of State, that he is
    wasting his time trying to negotiate with Little Rocket Man..." Trump said
    on Twitter.

    He continued, "...Save your energy Rex, we'll do what has to be done!"

    Later Sunday afternoon, Trump added: "Being nice to Rocket Man hasn't
    worked in 25 years, why would it work now? Clinton failed, Bush failed,
    and Obama failed. I won't fail."

    Trump's tweets undermining his secretary of state follow his attacks
    Saturday on San Juan's mayor over the Puerto Rico hurricane crisis and
    come a day after Tillerson said the US had direct lines of communication
    with North Korea and that he was trying to "calm things down" following
    months of escalating rhetoric over Pyongyang's continued nuclear weapons
    and ballistic missile tests.

    Tillerson, speaking at a press conference in Beijing, said the US made it
    clear through its direct channels to North Korea that it was seeking peace through talks.

    "We've made it clear that we hope to resolve this through talks,"
    Tillerson said.

    "I think the most immediate action that we need is to calm things down," Tillerson added. "They're a little overheated right now, and I think we
    need to calm them down first."

    Asked about Trump's own rhetoric, Tillerson said the entire situation was "overheated."

    Trump's tweets on Sunday seem to directly counter Tillerson's stated goal
    to use direct communication to lower tension between the two hostile
    nations. The US and North Korea have ramped up their rhetoric about one
    another as Pyongyang continues to develop its nuclear weapons program.

    Asked if the President's tweets indicate he has decided to abandon the diplomatic track on North Korea, a senior administration official told
    CNN: "We are still committed to a diplomatic approach."

    State Department spokesperson Heather Nauert tweeted about the US channels
    to the North Korean government shortly after Trump's tweets Sunday.

    "#DPRK will not obtain a nuclear capability," Nauert tweeted. "Whether
    through diplomacy or force is up to the regime @StateDept."

    "Diplomatic channels are open for #KimJongUn for now," she added. "They
    won't be open forever @StateDept @potus."

    Trump has sent similar tweets complicating diplomatic efforts in the past
    on issues such as Qatar's regional isolation over accusations that it
    supports terrorism and the future of NATO.

    Tillerson and Defense Secretary James Mattis have said the goal on North
    Korea is to reach a diplomatic solution between the countries, and after
    the pair briefed members of Congress in closed-door meetings in September,
    some Democrats noted the difference between their assessments and the President's words.

    "I feel like we still have two different polices on North Korea: one at
    the Department of State and Department of Defense, and another on the President's Twitter feed," Sen. Chris Murphy, a Connecticut Democrat, said after the briefing.

    In August, Mattis stressed the importance of the nation's diplomatic
    efforts, particularly through the United Nations, but in September he
    warned the US would meet threats from North Korea with "a massive military response."

    Last month, North Korea conducted its sixth nuclear test and in recent
    months it has launched missiles multiple times, which experts say could
    reach the mainland US.

    In early August, Trump warned the US would rain down "fire and fury" on
    North Korea, saying the US would destroy the nation of some 25 million
    people if its dictator's threats against the US and its allies continued.

    Trump delivered a speech to the United Nations in September in which he referred to the North Korean dictator as "rocket man," an insult he has
    used several times, including in Sunday's tweets.

    North Korea responded to the insult at the UN in kind, with Kim saying, "I
    will surely and definitely tame the mentally deranged US dotard with fire."

    In response to North Korea's continued weapons development this year, the
    UN Security Council agreed to increased sanctions on North Korea, gaining support from China and Russia.

    Trump also signed an executive order penalizing any company or person
    doing business with North Korea.

    ***

    let's see how you analyse THAT then thang!

    "business as usual" my arse! :)))

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Friday, October 06, 2017 11:33:54
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 23:19:51 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 04:10:45 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:


    http://www.watoday.com.au/world/us-directly-communicating-with-north-korea-says-us-secretary-of-state-20170930-gys0w6.html

    The US clearly doesn't want a war. Nor does Kim. Panic over.
    Business as usual...

    ### - versus:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/01/politics/donald-trump-rex-tillerson-north-korea/index.html

    Trump: Tillerson 'wasting his time' negotiating with North Korea

    Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump on Sunday again mocked North Korean >leader Kim Jong Un and said Secretary of State Rex Tillerson should not >bother trying to negotiate with him in an effort to stop the country's >development of nuclear weapons.

    "I told Rex Tillerson, our wonderful Secretary of State, that he is
    wasting his time trying to negotiate with Little Rocket Man..." Trump said
    on Twitter.

    He continued, "...Save your energy Rex, we'll do what has to be done!"

    Later Sunday afternoon, Trump added: "Being nice to Rocket Man hasn't
    worked in 25 years, why would it work now? Clinton failed, Bush failed,
    and Obama failed. I won't fail."

    Trump's tweets undermining his secretary of state follow his attacks
    Saturday on San Juan's mayor over the Puerto Rico hurricane crisis and
    come a day after Tillerson said the US had direct lines of communication
    with North Korea and that he was trying to "calm things down" following >months of escalating rhetoric over Pyongyang's continued nuclear weapons
    and ballistic missile tests.

    Tillerson, speaking at a press conference in Beijing, said the US made it >clear through its direct channels to North Korea that it was seeking peace >through talks.

    "We've made it clear that we hope to resolve this through talks,"
    Tillerson said.

    "I think the most immediate action that we need is to calm things down," >Tillerson added. "They're a little overheated right now, and I think we
    need to calm them down first."

    Asked about Trump's own rhetoric, Tillerson said the entire situation was >"overheated."

    Trump's tweets on Sunday seem to directly counter Tillerson's stated goal
    to use direct communication to lower tension between the two hostile
    nations. The US and North Korea have ramped up their rhetoric about one >another as Pyongyang continues to develop its nuclear weapons program.

    Asked if the President's tweets indicate he has decided to abandon the >diplomatic track on North Korea, a senior administration official told
    CNN: "We are still committed to a diplomatic approach."

    State Department spokesperson Heather Nauert tweeted about the US channels
    to the North Korean government shortly after Trump's tweets Sunday.

    "#DPRK will not obtain a nuclear capability," Nauert tweeted. "Whether >through diplomacy or force is up to the regime @StateDept."

    "Diplomatic channels are open for #KimJongUn for now," she added. "They
    won't be open forever @StateDept @potus."

    Trump has sent similar tweets complicating diplomatic efforts in the past
    on issues such as Qatar's regional isolation over accusations that it >supports terrorism and the future of NATO.

    Tillerson and Defense Secretary James Mattis have said the goal on North >Korea is to reach a diplomatic solution between the countries, and after
    the pair briefed members of Congress in closed-door meetings in September, >some Democrats noted the difference between their assessments and the >President's words.

    "I feel like we still have two different polices on North Korea: one at
    the Department of State and Department of Defense, and another on the >President's Twitter feed," Sen. Chris Murphy, a Connecticut Democrat, said >after the briefing.

    In August, Mattis stressed the importance of the nation's diplomatic
    efforts, particularly through the United Nations, but in September he
    warned the US would meet threats from North Korea with "a massive military >response."

    Last month, North Korea conducted its sixth nuclear test and in recent
    months it has launched missiles multiple times, which experts say could
    reach the mainland US.

    In early August, Trump warned the US would rain down "fire and fury" on
    North Korea, saying the US would destroy the nation of some 25 million
    people if its dictator's threats against the US and its allies continued.

    Trump delivered a speech to the United Nations in September in which he >referred to the North Korean dictator as "rocket man," an insult he has
    used several times, including in Sunday's tweets.

    North Korea responded to the insult at the UN in kind, with Kim saying, "I >will surely and definitely tame the mentally deranged US dotard with fire."

    In response to North Korea's continued weapons development this year, the
    UN Security Council agreed to increased sanctions on North Korea, gaining >support from China and Russia.

    Trump also signed an executive order penalizing any company or person
    doing business with North Korea.

    ***

    let's see how you analyse THAT then thang!

    "business as usual" my arse! :)))

    Yep Trump is an issue but luckily he isn't the government, he's just
    the CEO and the great democracy still requires consensus by many
    senior managers in addition to the CEO. Tillerson is one and he is a
    moral man who once led the Scouts in the US and I would know what that
    means because my old man was an Akela and I was a Cub and then a Scout
    for a short while (presumably the US follows Kipling's mythologies in
    the Scouts and Cubs?) If he led the scouts he is a good man. To know
    he's there talking with DPRK gives me at least comfort.



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