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i'd let him go and just keep movin' ahead
with your pursuit, whatever that might be.
why get into another sword fight? next
it'll be windmills or something, lol!
### - (smile) times change, and ya either keeps-up or ya gets left
behind?
am not fighting with him btw, debating isn't fighting? at least not when
it's conducted correctly in a reasonable manner + people stick to the
points raised... (which admittedly, they rarely do, especially if/when
it starts all goin' against them...)
ribbed him once about his great strength/determination and he responded
very well to it, even to having a full WILD that same day! so of course
have stuck with encouraging him, at least until he tells me to 'eff-off (which is what he's kinda doin' now...)
he's not dumb! so he knows damn well what am saying/suggesting in the
way have done so + haven't been rude to him at all (cheeky yes, rude no,
and because all his follows are watchin' too heh)
the kings of dilds have had their day though! 50 feckin' years of it!
oh, and what's dat comin' up over the horizon?? ;)
dilds 2.0
only this time they's called: WILDs :)
"please get out of the new road if ya's can't lend a hand
'coz the times they is a'changin' ;)
### - haha so he just told me to 'eff-off lol :)))
not literally, but in his somewhat polite + snooty manner hehe :)))
here's his reply:
Reece:
Right. I think the fact I had a WILD that very same night shows that
success is almost exclusively based upon belief and determination. And so perhaps I find it hard to maintain that belief and determination? That’s
my own shortcoming. I do still try and sometimes I achieve them but more
often than not I don’t. Also, admittedly, after a few nights of
back-to-back failed attempts and negatively affected sleep, I become
somewhat dissuaded from continuing.
I think it’s hard to argue that a serious practitioner of DILDing is lazy, though. You yourself have admitted it is, in fact, the harder of the two methods.
With all that in mind, I’ll continue to be a proponent of both. I think
each one is an extremely powerful practice in its own right.
***
and, seein' as he threw me a curved ball re negatively affected sleep bs +
also prevaricated/deflected on what was meant by 'laziness'; i've replied
+ nailed the sucker to his perch then:
Brian Aherne Reece Joseph Jones:
'Belief' belongs exclusively to dilds, whereas the proof of the pudding
for WILDs is in the doing thereof, not in the hoping & believing/praying
for results; that in that sense dilds & WILDs are at the opposite ends of
the same pole and thus require very different handling...
imho; you're 'determination' - cultivated in another direction entirely -
is what ultimately facilitated that rapid WILD of yours, and was what our conversation at the time was about; my opening remarks (which i still have somewhere) being only about that, and about your applying that same type
of 'grit' to WILDing... which, as it turned out, was correct! You WILDed
as easy as anything that same day! (i'd call that convincing, wouldn't
you?)
I do think/agree that dilds are far harder than WILDs (which is why i ultimately put them in the advanced section of my book) the 'laziness'
comment referring to the fact that experienced dilders have been trained
to wait on chance to provide the opportunities to lucid dream, so they initially feel a bit weird actually going directly into a lucid dream
state while they're still awake (smile, one guy even left my group
complaining that he was going back to dilding because you *don't* have to
be doing anything directly (at bedtime) to get them? made me laugh anyhoo
haha)
And that's the whole point in a nutshell really: WILDs are volitional and respond to volitional commands, whereas dilds do not and, as such, are indirect... and that's what 'makes' them much harder in the long run:
there's no on/off switch available!
And yes, both methods are indeed powerful techniques, but here's the rub:
WILDs explains dilds whereas dilds do not shed any light on WILDs - i.e.,
lucid dreaming per se appears to have very different values (and even principles) depending from which pov one views the basic subject... dilds presents one view and WILDs another, both completely different and in
stark contrast to one another! But which, in reality, are really only the 2-sides of the same one coin...
The way it seems to work (plus i remain open to alternatives) is that
WILDs 'includes' dilds but not the other way around; the 'process' being totally obscured/hidden in dilds but completely revealed via WILDs
(probably because we're awake when it happens!)
Anyways, am always interested in discussing this particular topic (because
it 'is' cutting-edge stuff and am very interested in what lies beyond
that?) but am not here to twist your arm any, except perhaps very gently
as per that first real exchange we had, wherein i 'seemed' to get-through
to you and you indeed experienced some good WILDs almost effortlessly
(which, btw, is how they 'should' be done: effortlessly!) and if you wish
to now 'forget' having had that illuminating experience then really that's entirely up to you, and good luck...
Ps... i do wish you'd continued your adventures into WILDing though as you
told a good tale, plus am sure everyone who was following it (myself
included) was looking forward to any discoveries & observations you might
have then made? (new things are always like a breath of fresh air? It invigorates.)
***
so there, have tied him up now with that last remark hah... he wanted to wriggle out of it (some form of denial perhaps?) and yes that's entirely
up to him!
only, of course, there's a price to pay: he's effectively leaving himself
(and his follows) behind?
an opportunity missed! is prolly how he'll eventually come around to
viewing it... was handed WILDs on a plate, really got something out of it: proof! (+ a series of ensuing WILDs which he then serialised for his
followers; the most interesting thing he's done in years!)
i mean, here's a guy who was not only 'told' about WILDs, but very luckily
was actually 'shown'?
and in a nutshell that's what we're always up against in wallyworld innit: inertia!
(slider standing at the sea shore telling the in-coming tide to: go back!
go back!)
might thus be best to wait until any tide is already going out?
(made sure of that before even starting, grinz ;)
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