If this is your first time looking at the steps, note your own
feelings toward them.
1 We admitted that we were powerless over our addiction, that our
lives had become unmanageable.
2 We came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore
us to sanity.
3 We made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care
of God as we understood Him.
4 We made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5 We admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the
exact nature of our wrongs.
6 We were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of
character.
7 We humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8 We made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to
make amends to them all.
9 We made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when
to do so would injure them or others.
10 We continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong
promptly admitted it.
11 We sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious
contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of
His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12 Having had a spiritual awakening as a result of these steps, we
tried to carry this message to addicts, and to practise these
principles in all our affairs.
Here is how I look at these steps now, and it’s how I invite you to
look at them too. It certainly demsytifies it. I’ve probably overcompensated with the ‘f’ word, but my point is that this is a practical system that anyone can use.
1 Are you a bit fucked?
2 Could you not be fucked?
3 Are you, on your own, going to ‘unfuck’ yourself?
4 Write down all the things that are fucking you up or have ever
fucked you up and don’t lie, or leave anything out.
5 Honestly tell someone trustworthy about how fucked you are.
6 Well that’s revealed a lot of fucked up patterns. Do you want to
stop it? Seriously?
7 Are you willing to live in a new way that’s not all about you and
your previous, fucked up stuff? You have to.
8 Prepare to apologize to everyone for everything affected by your
being so fucked up.
9 Now apologize. Unless that would make things worse.
10 Watch out for fucked up thinking and behaviour and be honest when
it happens.
11 Stay connected to your new perspective.
12 Look at life less selfishly, be nice to everyone, help people if
you can.
I can think of at least one person I know who would benefit from this
(I mean in RL, not here - I don't know anyone here well enough, or
much at all actually). I think I'll email it to the cunt :)
On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 02:19:41 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
If this is your first time looking at the steps, note your own
feelings toward them.
1 We admitted that we were powerless over our addiction, that our
lives had become unmanageable.
2 We came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore
us to sanity.
3 We made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care
of God as we understood Him.
4 We made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5 We admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the
exact nature of our wrongs.
6 We were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of
character.
7 We humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8 We made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to
make amends to them all.
9 We made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when
to do so would injure them or others.
10 We continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong
promptly admitted it.
11 We sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious
contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of
His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12 Having had a spiritual awakening as a result of these steps, we
tried to carry this message to addicts, and to practise these
principles in all our affairs.
Here is how I look at these steps now, and it’s how I invite you to
look at them too. It certainly demsytifies it. I’ve probably
overcompensated with the ‘f’ word, but my point is that this is a
practical system that anyone can use.
1 Are you a bit fucked?
2 Could you not be fucked?
3 Are you, on your own, going to ‘unfuck’ yourself?
4 Write down all the things that are fucking you up or have ever
fucked you up and don’t lie, or leave anything out.
5 Honestly tell someone trustworthy about how fucked you are.
6 Well that’s revealed a lot of fucked up patterns. Do you want to
stop it? Seriously?
7 Are you willing to live in a new way that’s not all about you and
your previous, fucked up stuff? You have to.
8 Prepare to apologize to everyone for everything affected by your
being so fucked up.
9 Now apologize. Unless that would make things worse.
10 Watch out for fucked up thinking and behaviour and be honest when
it happens.
11 Stay connected to your new perspective.
12 Look at life less selfishly, be nice to everyone, help people if
you can.
I can think of at least one person I know who would benefit from this
(I mean in RL, not here - I don't know anyone here well enough, or
much at all actually). I think I'll email it to the cunt :)
### - haha + i think i can append to all that with a very simple:
13 And NOW you've FINALLY got your head together: FUCK off! ;) j/k
On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 14:15:25 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 02:19:41 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
If this is your first time looking at the steps, note your own
feelings toward them.
1 We admitted that we were powerless over our addiction, that our
lives had become unmanageable.
2 We came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore
us to sanity.
3 We made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care
of God as we understood Him.
4 We made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5 We admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the
exact nature of our wrongs.
6 We were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of
character.
7 We humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8 We made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to
make amends to them all.
9 We made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when
to do so would injure them or others.
10 We continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong
promptly admitted it.
11 We sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious
contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of
His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12 Having had a spiritual awakening as a result of these steps, we
tried to carry this message to addicts, and to practise these
principles in all our affairs.
Here is how I look at these steps now, and it’s how I invite you to
look at them too. It certainly demsytifies it. I’ve probably
overcompensated with the ‘f’ word, but my point is that this is a
practical system that anyone can use.
1 Are you a bit fucked?
2 Could you not be fucked?
3 Are you, on your own, going to ‘unfuck’ yourself?
4 Write down all the things that are fucking you up or have ever
fucked you up and don’t lie, or leave anything out.
5 Honestly tell someone trustworthy about how fucked you are.
6 Well that’s revealed a lot of fucked up patterns. Do you want to
stop it? Seriously?
7 Are you willing to live in a new way that’s not all about you and
your previous, fucked up stuff? You have to.
8 Prepare to apologize to everyone for everything affected by your
being so fucked up.
9 Now apologize. Unless that would make things worse.
10 Watch out for fucked up thinking and behaviour and be honest when
it happens.
11 Stay connected to your new perspective.
12 Look at life less selfishly, be nice to everyone, help people if
you can.
I can think of at least one person I know who would benefit from this
(I mean in RL, not here - I don't know anyone here well enough, or
much at all actually). I think I'll email it to the cunt :)
### - haha + i think i can append to all that with a very simple:
13 And NOW you've FINALLY got your head together: FUCK off! ;) j/k
The bloke I'm thinking of thought he was bulletproof. A life of
no-reading, good luck, fucking women, drinking like a goddamn fish,
coldness to everyone, lack of charity and empathy - you name it. Now,
he has about 10% liver function left, he's an alcoholic, been through
one marriage and fucked up his last relationship, tries to be warm but
fails, life heading for a precipice - but he STILL doesn't get it.
Brand's 12 steps won't help those who don't want to be helped. A bit
like you Brian, minus the alcohol...stubborn cunt who's practically
lost everything but *still* won't change.
On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 01:57:26 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 14:15:25 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 02:19:41 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
If this is your first time looking at the steps, note your own
feelings toward them.
1 We admitted that we were powerless over our addiction, that our
lives had become unmanageable.
2 We came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore >>>> us to sanity.
3 We made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care
of God as we understood Him.
4 We made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5 We admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the
exact nature of our wrongs.
6 We were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of
character.
7 We humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8 We made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to
make amends to them all.
9 We made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when
to do so would injure them or others.
10 We continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong
promptly admitted it.
11 We sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious
contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of
His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12 Having had a spiritual awakening as a result of these steps, we
tried to carry this message to addicts, and to practise these
principles in all our affairs.
Here is how I look at these steps now, and it’s how I invite you to
look at them too. It certainly demsytifies it. I’ve probably
overcompensated with the ‘f’ word, but my point is that this is a
practical system that anyone can use.
1 Are you a bit fucked?
2 Could you not be fucked?
3 Are you, on your own, going to ‘unfuck’ yourself?
4 Write down all the things that are fucking you up or have ever
fucked you up and don’t lie, or leave anything out.
5 Honestly tell someone trustworthy about how fucked you are.
6 Well that’s revealed a lot of fucked up patterns. Do you want to
stop it? Seriously?
7 Are you willing to live in a new way that’s not all about you and
your previous, fucked up stuff? You have to.
8 Prepare to apologize to everyone for everything affected by your
being so fucked up.
9 Now apologize. Unless that would make things worse.
10 Watch out for fucked up thinking and behaviour and be honest when
it happens.
11 Stay connected to your new perspective.
12 Look at life less selfishly, be nice to everyone, help people if
you can.
I can think of at least one person I know who would benefit from this
(I mean in RL, not here - I don't know anyone here well enough, or
much at all actually). I think I'll email it to the cunt :)
### - haha + i think i can append to all that with a very simple:
13 And NOW you've FINALLY got your head together: FUCK off! ;) j/k
The bloke I'm thinking of thought he was bulletproof. A life of
no-reading, good luck, fucking women, drinking like a goddamn fish,
coldness to everyone, lack of charity and empathy - you name it. Now,
he has about 10% liver function left, he's an alcoholic, been through
one marriage and fucked up his last relationship, tries to be warm but
fails, life heading for a precipice - but he STILL doesn't get it.
Brand's 12 steps won't help those who don't want to be helped. A bit
like you Brian, minus the alcohol...stubborn cunt who's practically
lost everything but *still* won't change.
### - personally can't 'stand' russel brand! and consider him a total >poseur...
and that 'haircut' doesn't do anything for him either hehehe (makes him
look like the cunt he really is? a sure sign of it lol...)
i also happen to think YOU'VE got it all wrong too sport and/or that most
of the above also applies directly to you - bulletproof ideas of self
indeed! - although actually completely vulnerable (i can, and have for >example, reached/touched you from the other side of the planet on more
than one occasion and you had absolutely no defense whatsoever! and that, >in-effect, you're only a 'mouth' warrior? an intellectual with no power >whatsoever to alter his fate! the most scary thing there is!)
i've also met many tramps & alcoholics and not ALL of them are stupid >hopeless people (george orwell deliberately 'lived' as a tramp for a
couple of years, why - because he was hopeless & mad?? far from it!) plus,
to 'explain' this to you is nigh on impossible considering the 'absolutely >rigidly fixed' ideas & concepts you indulge yourself in that has literally >cut you off from the genuine underlying reality, one that ultimately has
you living in some kinda ivory tower concept of the world!
that to do so (to explain it to you i mean) you would need to read a book >called 'Hurry on down', which is about a dude, like you, living up in the >clouds of un-reality, living a normal-enough life, but whom in order to >divest himself of all the clutter and crap that has claimed him, has to
'lose it all' and ends up as a kind of tramp with nothing & no one except >himself to deal with... (can't remember the author now, it's an old
unknown book + i no longer have a copy of it to refer to either having
given it away at some point...)
perforce he doesn't initially like nor appreciate his descent (which is >forced upon him) but understands it only when he gets there, his
injunction to thus 'hurry on down' (to the place of ultimate reality via
this 'fall from grace') finally only making sense by the end of the
story...
something which 'may' just give you a clue as to where the author was >actually coming from... only i don't expect to hear anything but
caterwauls and derision back from you about it heh; such is your limited >understanding and/or lack of 'openness' to anything other than what you >'already' rigidly firmly believe and are completely entrenched in! :)
i.e., he 'too' thought he was living the best of all possible lives, only
he found out something completely different along the way heh... good
story :)
***
did a search and this might well be the same book, certainly sounds like
it for content, the author apparently not so completely unknown either!
cool :)
http://www.valancourtbooks.com/hurry-on-down-1953.html
On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 16:33:30 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 01:57:26 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 14:15:25 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 02:19:41 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
If this is your first time looking at the steps, note your own
feelings toward them.
1 We admitted that we were powerless over our addiction, that our
lives had become unmanageable.
2 We came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could
restore
us to sanity.
3 We made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care >>>>> of God as we understood Him.
4 We made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5 We admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the
exact nature of our wrongs.
6 We were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of
character.
7 We humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8 We made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to >>>>> make amends to them all.
9 We made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when >>>>> to do so would injure them or others.
10 We continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong
promptly admitted it.
11 We sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious
contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of >>>>> His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12 Having had a spiritual awakening as a result of these steps, we
tried to carry this message to addicts, and to practise these
principles in all our affairs.
Here is how I look at these steps now, and it’s how I invite you to >>>>> look at them too. It certainly demsytifies it. I’ve probably
overcompensated with the ‘f’ word, but my point is that this is a >>>>> practical system that anyone can use.
1 Are you a bit fucked?
2 Could you not be fucked?
3 Are you, on your own, going to ‘unfuck’ yourself?
4 Write down all the things that are fucking you up or have ever
fucked you up and don’t lie, or leave anything out.
5 Honestly tell someone trustworthy about how fucked you are.
6 Well that’s revealed a lot of fucked up patterns. Do you want to >>>>> stop it? Seriously?
7 Are you willing to live in a new way that’s not all about you and >>>>> your previous, fucked up stuff? You have to.
8 Prepare to apologize to everyone for everything affected by your
being so fucked up.
9 Now apologize. Unless that would make things worse.
10 Watch out for fucked up thinking and behaviour and be honest when >>>>> it happens.
11 Stay connected to your new perspective.
12 Look at life less selfishly, be nice to everyone, help people if
you can.
I can think of at least one person I know who would benefit from this >>>>> (I mean in RL, not here - I don't know anyone here well enough, or
much at all actually). I think I'll email it to the cunt :)
### - haha + i think i can append to all that with a very simple:
13 And NOW you've FINALLY got your head together: FUCK off! ;) j/k
The bloke I'm thinking of thought he was bulletproof. A life of
no-reading, good luck, fucking women, drinking like a goddamn fish,
coldness to everyone, lack of charity and empathy - you name it. Now,
he has about 10% liver function left, he's an alcoholic, been through
one marriage and fucked up his last relationship, tries to be warm but
fails, life heading for a precipice - but he STILL doesn't get it.
Brand's 12 steps won't help those who don't want to be helped. A bit
like you Brian, minus the alcohol...stubborn cunt who's practically
lost everything but *still* won't change.
### - personally can't 'stand' russel brand! and consider him a total
poseur...
and that 'haircut' doesn't do anything for him either hehehe (makes him
look like the cunt he really is? a sure sign of it lol...)
Nope. He's smart and he gets lots and LOTS of sex, mate, and that's
REALLY smart :)
Bit like me before I settled with the one woman who still a looker :)
Fuck his haircut and his posing, he reminds me as a more elaborate
version of Tim Minchin - minus the lots and lots of sex and perhaps
not quite as sharp, but close.
You're envy is showing.
i also happen to think YOU'VE got it all wrong too sport and/or that
most
of the above also applies directly to you - bulletproof ideas of self
indeed! - although actually completely vulnerable (i can, and have for
example, reached/touched you from the other side of the planet on more
than one occasion and you had absolutely no defense whatsoever! and
that,
in-effect, you're only a 'mouth' warrior? an intellectual with no power
whatsoever to alter his fate! the most scary thing there is!)
Why on earth would I want to defend myself from you? You're no danger
to me. I have closer and more present threats against me mate than a
"voice" solely on the electromagnetic spectrum, ethereal and
dimensionless in this venerable old mode of communication.
I periodically alter my fate. Jeremy would probably say that we all
spin off in quantum probabilities and therefore different universes
each and every nanosecond or planck time component.
I do it
consciously. I can't change my stripes and I don't want to, but I can
alter my environment and the perception of myself by my environment
when I want to, and I do often - both want to, and action.
Understand? Probably not.
And if I'm a warrior I'm a thought warrior, not a mouth warrior. My
mouth has gotten me into trouble often enough for me to learn by my
mistakes. I keep my thoughts to myself generally, what you get here
though is, admittedly, less constrained.
i've also met many tramps & alcoholics and not ALL of them are stupid
hopeless people (george orwell deliberately 'lived' as a tramp for a
couple of years, why - because he was hopeless & mad?? far from it!)
plus,
to 'explain' this to you is nigh on impossible considering the
'absolutely
rigidly fixed' ideas & concepts you indulge yourself in that has
literally
cut you off from the genuine underlying reality, one that ultimately has
you living in some kinda ivory tower concept of the world!
But you didn't MEET George, did you. You're sending mixed messages
and that comes from an undisciplined mind.
I certainly have some rigid ideas and I live in somewhat of an
isolated part of this city due to its prevailing socio-economic
makeup. Riff raff are quickly noticed in this area and they can't
afford to rent a fucking house and invite all their bruddas and sistas
to stay, permanently. Great. But that doesn't mean I'm isolated, far
from it, I travel a lot and get around and don't really fear any man
(but certainly fear women and their fingernails and biting wit :)
that to do so (to explain it to you i mean) you would need to read a
book
called 'Hurry on down', which is about a dude, like you, living up in
the
clouds of un-reality, living a normal-enough life, but whom in order to
divest himself of all the clutter and crap that has claimed him, has to
'lose it all' and ends up as a kind of tramp with nothing & no one
except
himself to deal with... (can't remember the author now, it's an old
unknown book + i no longer have a copy of it to refer to either having
given it away at some point...)
Been there, done that. When I hooked up with my final girlfriend, my
soon to be wife, I was penniless living in humpys and squats in Cairns
in Far North Queensland, eating mushies, smoking pot, dropping acid
and fucking my pants off with all sorts of gals of all colours and persuasions, I came from a badly broken home and lived hitch hiking
all over the place and through the jungles of north queensland, living
with hippies from the US who made their homes there, selling drugs, on
the sidelines of petty crime, all sorts of shit and I was fucking
penniless and didn't give a shit.
I've been places you never have nor ever will. I know this, simple as
that. So what you say above is meaningless to me more or less. I
left home when I was 16 slider, how old were you? I lived on park
benches, warding off pedos, sleeping in parks in the middle under the
lights with a knife with me, taking jobs in abbatoirs, cement
factories, fruit picking, sellling acid dots sewns into the hems of my
jeans, etc etc and carrying always Leary's The Politics of Ecstasy in
my backpack. How about you? I tested 135 IQ in school and when I
left I was already putting a pick into my arm, morphine HCL, tried
everything from datura to Avil car sickness tabs to sniffing petrol,
and people everywhere in every town I ended up in always told the
young 17 year old what the fuck, you're smarter than that, why don't
you go to uni, why don't you do this, do that - but all I needed was a
woman in my life not the cunts I was fucking all the time but a long
term gal who loved me, and guess what, I found her and she saved me
from myself.
Top that, you old cunt :) I'm being open, tell us a bit about yourself...what's made you what you are.
On Fri, 06 Oct 2017 04:23:01 +0100, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 16:33:30 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 01:57:26 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 14:15:25 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 02:19:41 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
If this is your first time looking at the steps, note your own
feelings toward them.
1 We admitted that we were powerless over our addiction, that our
lives had become unmanageable.
2 We came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could
restore
us to sanity.
3 We made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care >>>>> of God as we understood Him.
4 We made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5 We admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the
exact nature of our wrongs.
6 We were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of
character.
7 We humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8 We made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to >>>>> make amends to them all.
9 We made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when >>>>> to do so would injure them or others.
10 We continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong
promptly admitted it.
11 We sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious >>>>> contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of >>>>> His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12 Having had a spiritual awakening as a result of these steps, we >>>>> tried to carry this message to addicts, and to practise these
principles in all our affairs.
Here is how I look at these steps now, and it’s how I invite you to >>>>> look at them too. It certainly demsytifies it. I’ve probably
overcompensated with the ‘f’ word, but my point is that this is a >>>>> practical system that anyone can use.
1 Are you a bit fucked?
2 Could you not be fucked?
3 Are you, on your own, going to ‘unfuck’ yourself?
4 Write down all the things that are fucking you up or have ever
fucked you up and don’t lie, or leave anything out.
5 Honestly tell someone trustworthy about how fucked you are.
6 Well that’s revealed a lot of fucked up patterns. Do you want to >>>>> stop it? Seriously?
7 Are you willing to live in a new way that’s not all about you and >>>>> your previous, fucked up stuff? You have to.
8 Prepare to apologize to everyone for everything affected by your >>>>> being so fucked up.
9 Now apologize. Unless that would make things worse.
10 Watch out for fucked up thinking and behaviour and be honest when >>>>> it happens.
11 Stay connected to your new perspective.
12 Look at life less selfishly, be nice to everyone, help people if >>>>> you can.
I can think of at least one person I know who would benefit from this >>>>> (I mean in RL, not here - I don't know anyone here well enough, or >>>>> much at all actually). I think I'll email it to the cunt :)
### - haha + i think i can append to all that with a very simple:
13 And NOW you've FINALLY got your head together: FUCK off! ;) j/k
The bloke I'm thinking of thought he was bulletproof. A life of
no-reading, good luck, fucking women, drinking like a goddamn fish,
coldness to everyone, lack of charity and empathy - you name it. Now, >>> he has about 10% liver function left, he's an alcoholic, been through
one marriage and fucked up his last relationship, tries to be warm but >>> fails, life heading for a precipice - but he STILL doesn't get it.
Brand's 12 steps won't help those who don't want to be helped. A bit
like you Brian, minus the alcohol...stubborn cunt who's practically
lost everything but *still* won't change.
### - personally can't 'stand' russel brand! and consider him a total
poseur...
and that 'haircut' doesn't do anything for him either hehehe (makes him
look like the cunt he really is? a sure sign of it lol...)
Nope. He's smart and he gets lots and LOTS of sex, mate, and that's
REALLY smart :)
Bit like me before I settled with the one woman who still a looker :)
Fuck his haircut and his posing, he reminds me as a more elaborate
version of Tim Minchin - minus the lots and lots of sex and perhaps
not quite as sharp, but close.
You're envy is showing.
### - lol no one in their 'right mind' would envy 'that' haircut LOL (the cunts got a fucking storks-nest growing out of the top of head for christsakes! cracking up laughing...) and IF he gets lots of sex (which in no way do i consider an indicator of intelligence hah) it's because 'they' (the girls involved) are even 'dumber' than he is to fall for his
crummy... act??
i also happen to think YOU'VE got it all wrong too sport and/or that
most
of the above also applies directly to you - bulletproof ideas of self
indeed! - although actually completely vulnerable (i can, and have for
example, reached/touched you from the other side of the planet on more
than one occasion and you had absolutely no defense whatsoever! and
that,
in-effect, you're only a 'mouth' warrior? an intellectual with no power
whatsoever to alter his fate! the most scary thing there is!)
Why on earth would I want to defend myself from you? You're no danger
to me. I have closer and more present threats against me mate than a "voice" solely on the electromagnetic spectrum, ethereal and
dimensionless in this venerable old mode of communication.
### - you forget am a 'genuine' outsider thang... (and they can often do things insiders can't even dream of, including reaching out across time & space to touch people and things, things completely beyond your ken...)
I periodically alter my fate. Jeremy would probably say that we all
spin off in quantum probabilities and therefore different universes
each and every nanosecond or planck time component.
### - 'jeremy' (hah!) is completely capable of prevaricating-OFF into just about 'any' old shit you can imagine rather than sticking to the subject whenever it suits him?
so much so, he even fools 'himself' into thinking
he knows what he's actually talking about?!
(no one, and i mean no one,
could 'possibly' have gotten into the type of trouble HE repeatedly has throughout his life if he had even an 'iota' of actually knowing what he's doing?? lol... another fucking poseur & 'mouth warrior'! and he's not even honest?!?)
I do it
consciously. I can't change my stripes and I don't want to, but I can alter my environment and the perception of myself by my environment
when I want to, and I do often - both want to, and action.
Understand? Probably not.
### - no thang, you are rigidly... fixed! - and totally incapable of altering your fixed views by yourself!
you are, however, very slightly more open-minded than jeremy, i'll grant you that (i've tested you in that direction, so i know!) so NOT a completely hopeless case like he is! - you are, however, your own worst enemy mate! and DON'T always learn from your mistakes! (i.e., via debate you've often said quite sensible things to me on occasion but then backed up on it again only to return to your prior ignorance... and that's not good!)
And if I'm a warrior I'm a thought warrior, not a mouth warrior. My
mouth has gotten me into trouble often enough for me to learn by my mistakes. I keep my thoughts to myself generally, what you get here
though is, admittedly, less constrained.
### - 'mouth warrior' is a direct reference to castaneda and some of the things he talked/conjectured about, which you'd be aware of if you'd read the material... (basically means talking the talk but not actually walking the walk etc etc...)
i've also met many tramps & alcoholics and not ALL of them are stupid
hopeless people (george orwell deliberately 'lived' as a tramp for a
couple of years, why - because he was hopeless & mad?? far from it!)
plus,
to 'explain' this to you is nigh on impossible considering the
'absolutely
rigidly fixed' ideas & concepts you indulge yourself in that has
literally
cut you off from the genuine underlying reality, one that ultimately has >> you living in some kinda ivory tower concept of the world!
But you didn't MEET George, did you. You're sending mixed messages
and that comes from an undisciplined mind.
### - i've studied his work so i know him all too well, in a sense... and anyone who can possibly be 'as-observant' (so very astutely so!) as he was is defo NOT an idiot! (IF there's such a thing as an underlying reality beyond the one humans have 'manufactured' for themselves, and i sincerely suggest there is, then tramps and down & outs (the lowest strata in our societies) are, by default, actually the closest to it, and as such don't suffer the bs ideas & beliefs people typically farther up the line have to endure... and are, in-effect, the last 'remnant' of humanity before they were all turned into a bunch of wallyjob obsequious cunts!)
Understand? Probably not. ;)
I certainly have some rigid ideas and I live in somewhat of an
isolated part of this city due to its prevailing socio-economic
makeup. Riff raff are quickly noticed in this area and they can't
afford to rent a fucking house and invite all their bruddas and sistas
to stay, permanently. Great. But that doesn't mean I'm isolated, far
from it, I travel a lot and get around and don't really fear any man
(but certainly fear women and their fingernails and biting wit :)
### - you've always BEEN isolated thang; by dint of birth! oh you try to 'fit-in' alright, the sheer 'tragedy' (nay, the travesty!) of it being
that you've very nearly succeeded?! you've effectively thus squandered a marvelous gift that just about any 'genuine seeker' would have given his eye-teeth to obtain! - the boon of NOT being born a wallyjob by default! - and accordingly, you have absolutely 'no idea' (no 'conception'!) of just how hard IT IS for wallyjobs to... get out/escape??
meaning: the 'underlying reality' i speak of has always been right at your fingertips, right there for you! only you've literally worked your proverbial arse off to... completely avoid it?!?!
and that's a shame... that instead of 'growing up' in the REAL world, you've instead striven to insert yourself into... wallyworld?!
you needed, for example, to read Rimbaud when you were much younger sport! and then you MIGHT have even realised what needed to be done to sort yourself out! as it is; you've spent the last 40 years pissing your energy up the wall trying to be a 'better' wallyjob than the wallyjobs
themselves! lol
consequently, you've left it very late indeed to start now?!
thus best advise to you NOW is to drop everything and go 'mahatma' sport! (a time-honoured hindu tradition that you'll prolly have to read up on to appreciate... gandhi was mahatma; mahatma gandhi! a renunciate!)
that to do so (to explain it to you i mean) you would need to read a
book
called 'Hurry on down', which is about a dude, like you, living up in
the
clouds of un-reality, living a normal-enough life, but whom in order to
divest himself of all the clutter and crap that has claimed him, has to
'lose it all' and ends up as a kind of tramp with nothing & no one
except
himself to deal with... (can't remember the author now, it's an old
unknown book + i no longer have a copy of it to refer to either having
given it away at some point...)
Been there, done that. When I hooked up with my final girlfriend, my
soon to be wife, I was penniless living in humpys and squats in Cairns
in Far North Queensland, eating mushies, smoking pot, dropping acid
and fucking my pants off with all sorts of gals of all colours and persuasions, I came from a badly broken home and lived hitch hiking
all over the place and through the jungles of north queensland, living
with hippies from the US who made their homes there, selling drugs, on
the sidelines of petty crime, all sorts of shit and I was fucking
penniless and didn't give a shit.
### - have you read jack Kerouac's: 'On the road'? (and other works of
his, because it's all really quite profound... the Beat Generation)
I've been places you never have nor ever will. I know this, simple as that. So what you say above is meaningless to me more or less. I
Naw it's just compulsively arguing
with people.
what happens in Vegas stays with all of us.
after all, last thing we need around here is 'another' vegas incident!?
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 00:48:41 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan ><david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:
### - again, am not 'trying' to drag you in or anything - you 'could' have >just ignored all this for instance TWICE now jeremy?? but your 'ego' wont
let ya! so really it's actually you insinuating yourself 'into' a >conversation where you're not even invited! usually just to deliberately >interfere with what's going on in some negative manner... plus, am merely >saying things in a certain way/fashion to thang that isn't particularly >flattering to you is all (like why should i be careful of you when you >continually behave like a dick anyway?)... so you're just being 'used'
here only as an 'object lesson' and that's it... you're pretty good for
that! (of what NOT to do!)
added to which, am not the 'only' outsider to have ever existed ya know
heh, plus 'you' NOT understanding it any, nor the humour involved (nor
even accepting the genre) means absolutely nothing... plenty peeps can't >understand... lacking in intelligence, education, or perhaps just mentally >deficient, i dunno which, maybe all three! who cares? am talking to thang >here! NOT you! you just KEEP butting in and yelling: 'look at me! look at >me'!
i dunno WHAT you are! "dr evil" perhaps indeed! the man with the "burning >eyes??" riiiight...
whatever! who cares by now about such... hotheads!?!
it's too late! it's the end of the world pal!
and i think you've missed the boat...
On Friday, October 6, 2017 at 4:27:13 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:
On Fri, 06 Oct 2017 04:23:01 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 16:33:30 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 01:57:26 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 14:15:25 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 02:19:41 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
If this is your first time looking at the steps, note your own
feelings toward them.
1 We admitted that we were powerless over our addiction, that our
lives had become unmanageable.
2 We came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could
restore
us to sanity.
3 We made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care >> >>>>> of God as we understood Him.
4 We made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5 We admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the
exact nature of our wrongs.
6 We were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of
character.
7 We humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8 We made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to >> >>>>> make amends to them all.
9 We made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when >> >>>>> to do so would injure them or others.
10 We continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong
promptly admitted it.
11 We sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious
contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of >> >>>>> His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12 Having had a spiritual awakening as a result of these steps, we
tried to carry this message to addicts, and to practise these
principles in all our affairs.
Here is how I look at these steps now, and it’s how I invite you to >> >>>>> look at them too. It certainly demsytifies it. I’ve probably
overcompensated with the ‘f’ word, but my point is that this is a >> >>>>> practical system that anyone can use.
1 Are you a bit fucked?
2 Could you not be fucked?
3 Are you, on your own, going to ‘unfuck’ yourself?
4 Write down all the things that are fucking you up or have ever
fucked you up and don’t lie, or leave anything out.
5 Honestly tell someone trustworthy about how fucked you are.
6 Well that’s revealed a lot of fucked up patterns. Do you want to >> >>>>> stop it? Seriously?
7 Are you willing to live in a new way that’s not all about you and >> >>>>> your previous, fucked up stuff? You have to.
8 Prepare to apologize to everyone for everything affected by your
being so fucked up.
9 Now apologize. Unless that would make things worse.
10 Watch out for fucked up thinking and behaviour and be honest when >> >>>>> it happens.
11 Stay connected to your new perspective.
12 Look at life less selfishly, be nice to everyone, help people if
you can.
I can think of at least one person I know who would benefit from this >> >>>>> (I mean in RL, not here - I don't know anyone here well enough, or
much at all actually). I think I'll email it to the cunt :)
### - haha + i think i can append to all that with a very simple:
13 And NOW you've FINALLY got your head together: FUCK off! ;) j/k
The bloke I'm thinking of thought he was bulletproof. A life of
no-reading, good luck, fucking women, drinking like a goddamn fish,
coldness to everyone, lack of charity and empathy - you name it. Now, >> >>> he has about 10% liver function left, he's an alcoholic, been through
one marriage and fucked up his last relationship, tries to be warm but >> >>> fails, life heading for a precipice - but he STILL doesn't get it.
Brand's 12 steps won't help those who don't want to be helped. A bit
like you Brian, minus the alcohol...stubborn cunt who's practically
lost everything but *still* won't change.
### - personally can't 'stand' russel brand! and consider him a total
poseur...
and that 'haircut' doesn't do anything for him either hehehe (makes him >> >> look like the cunt he really is? a sure sign of it lol...)
Nope. He's smart and he gets lots and LOTS of sex, mate, and that's
REALLY smart :)
Bit like me before I settled with the one woman who still a looker :)
Fuck his haircut and his posing, he reminds me as a more elaborate
version of Tim Minchin - minus the lots and lots of sex and perhaps
not quite as sharp, but close.
You're envy is showing.
Oops. :) The grammar police issues a citation.
### - lol no one in their 'right mind' would envy 'that' haircut LOL (the
cunts got a fucking storks-nest growing out of the top of head for
christsakes! cracking up laughing...) and IF he gets lots of sex (which in >> no way do i consider an indicator of intelligence hah) it's because 'they' >> (the girls involved) are even 'dumber' than he is to fall for his
crummy... act??
i also happen to think YOU'VE got it all wrong too sport and/or that
most
of the above also applies directly to you - bulletproof ideas of self
indeed! - although actually completely vulnerable (i can, and have for
example, reached/touched you from the other side of the planet on more
than one occasion and you had absolutely no defense whatsoever! and
that,
in-effect, you're only a 'mouth' warrior? an intellectual with no power >> >> whatsoever to alter his fate! the most scary thing there is!)
Why on earth would I want to defend myself from you? You're no danger
to me. I have closer and more present threats against me mate than a
"voice" solely on the electromagnetic spectrum, ethereal and
dimensionless in this venerable old mode of communication.
### - you forget am a 'genuine' outsider thang... (and they can often do
things insiders can't even dream of, including reaching out across time &
space to touch people and things, things completely beyond your ken...)
I periodically alter my fate. Jeremy would probably say that we all
spin off in quantum probabilities and therefore different universes
each and every nanosecond or planck time component.
Wtf. :) Nope. I wouldn't say anything like that.
### - 'jeremy' (hah!) is completely capable of prevaricating-OFF into just >> about 'any' old shit you can imagine rather than sticking to the subject
whenever it suits him?
So here comes bonehead, taking his next opportunity to pull me
into a ridiculous argument. I wasn't talking in this thread either.
Where I do participate, I usually stay more on-topic than others do.
so much so, he even fools 'himself' into thinking
he knows what he's actually talking about?!
That... would be you?
(no one, and i mean no one,
could 'possibly' have gotten into the type of trouble HE repeatedly has
throughout his life if he had even an 'iota' of actually knowing what he's >> doing?? lol... another fucking poseur & 'mouth warrior'! and he's not even >> honest?!?)
And once again, as so often, totally unprovoked substanceless ad hominem.
I do it
consciously. I can't change my stripes and I don't want to, but I can
alter my environment and the perception of myself by my environment
when I want to, and I do often - both want to, and action.
Understand? Probably not.
### - no thang, you are rigidly... fixed! - and totally incapable of
altering your fixed views by yourself!
you are, however, very slightly more open-minded than jeremy, i'll grant
you that (i've tested you in that direction, so i know!) so NOT a
completely hopeless case like he is! - you are, however, your own worst
enemy mate! and DON'T always learn from your mistakes! (i.e., via debate
you've often said quite sensible things to me on occasion but then backed
up on it again only to return to your prior ignorance... and that's not
good!)
A hopeless case with a closed mind? We're talking about you again, right?
And if I'm a warrior I'm a thought warrior, not a mouth warrior. My
mouth has gotten me into trouble often enough for me to learn by my
mistakes. I keep my thoughts to myself generally, what you get here
though is, admittedly, less constrained.
### - 'mouth warrior' is a direct reference to castaneda and some of the
things he talked/conjectured about, which you'd be aware of if you'd read
the material... (basically means talking the talk but not actually walking >> the walk etc etc...)
A mouth warrior perhaps argues via ad hominem and illogic,
without evidence and lacking integrity, i.e. kinda like you do.
i've also met many tramps & alcoholics and not ALL of them are stupid
hopeless people (george orwell deliberately 'lived' as a tramp for a
couple of years, why - because he was hopeless & mad?? far from it!)
plus,
to 'explain' this to you is nigh on impossible considering the
'absolutely
rigidly fixed' ideas & concepts you indulge yourself in that has
literally
cut you off from the genuine underlying reality, one that ultimately has >> >> you living in some kinda ivory tower concept of the world!
But you didn't MEET George, did you. You're sending mixed messages
and that comes from an undisciplined mind.
### - i've studied his work so i know him all too well, in a sense... and
anyone who can possibly be 'as-observant' (so very astutely so!) as he was >> is defo NOT an idiot! (IF there's such a thing as an underlying reality
beyond the one humans have 'manufactured' for themselves, and i sincerely
suggest there is, then tramps and down & outs (the lowest strata in our
societies) are, by default, actually the closest to it, and as such don't
suffer the bs ideas & beliefs people typically farther up the line have to >> endure... and are, in-effect, the last 'remnant' of humanity before they
were all turned into a bunch of wallyjob obsequious cunts!)
Understand? Probably not. ;)
We understand that's more nonsense you may even believe. ;)
I certainly have some rigid ideas and I live in somewhat of an
isolated part of this city due to its prevailing socio-economic
makeup. Riff raff are quickly noticed in this area and they can't
afford to rent a fucking house and invite all their bruddas and sistas
to stay, permanently. Great. But that doesn't mean I'm isolated, far
from it, I travel a lot and get around and don't really fear any man
(but certainly fear women and their fingernails and biting wit :)
### - you've always BEEN isolated thang; by dint of birth! oh you try to
'fit-in' alright, the sheer 'tragedy' (nay, the travesty!) of it being
that you've very nearly succeeded?! you've effectively thus squandered a
marvelous gift that just about any 'genuine seeker' would have given his
eye-teeth to obtain! - the boon of NOT being born a wallyjob by default! - >> and accordingly, you have absolutely 'no idea' (no 'conception'!) of just
how hard IT IS for wallyjobs to... get out/escape??
meaning: the 'underlying reality' i speak of has always been right at your >> fingertips, right there for you! only you've literally worked your
proverbial arse off to... completely avoid it?!?!
and that's a shame... that instead of 'growing up' in the REAL world,
you've instead striven to insert yourself into... wallyworld?!
you needed, for example, to read Rimbaud when you were much younger sport! >> and then you MIGHT have even realised what needed to be done to sort
yourself out! as it is; you've spent the last 40 years pissing your energy >> up the wall trying to be a 'better' wallyjob than the wallyjobs
themselves! lol
consequently, you've left it very late indeed to start now?!
thus best advise to you NOW is to drop everything and go 'mahatma' sport!
(a time-honoured hindu tradition that you'll prolly have to read up on to
appreciate... gandhi was mahatma; mahatma gandhi! a renunciate!)
Dude, you obviously don't know a thing about an "underlying reality".
LOL. :) Witness the wannabe guru who let it slip out again...
that to do so (to explain it to you i mean) you would need to read a
book
called 'Hurry on down', which is about a dude, like you, living up in
the
clouds of un-reality, living a normal-enough life, but whom in order to >> >> divest himself of all the clutter and crap that has claimed him, has to >> >> 'lose it all' and ends up as a kind of tramp with nothing & no one
except
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 02:27:11 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
it's too late! it's the end of the world pal!
It is NOT the end of the world.
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