• inspiration re saving the planet :)

    From slider@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, November 07, 2019 14:13:50
    From: slider@anashram.com

    ### - ok, here's an idea for solving the global financial situation AND
    crime at the same time + many other things too considering the potential knock-on/ripple-effects applying such a solution would likely create...

    and it's simple really...

    just give everyone over the age of 18 £1000 a week! :)

    and then let's watch the crimes figures literally drop like a stone!

    i mean, anyone caught shoplifting after that obviously has something wrong
    with them haha, some kinda mental/emotional problem etc that obviously
    needs attention not punishment...

    plus, with such a reasonable income, no one will ever need to steal
    someone's phone and/or whatever ever again either, they can more simply & safely buy their own! things like burglary would likely die-out too
    because no one would really need to do it, instead of of a life of petty
    crime just trying to get by they can instead have a life, a young couple
    on 2000 per week by default between them can afford a mortgage, kids of 18 could 'afford' to go to college and not end up starting-out in life with a
    30+ grand debt (certain incentives could also be included there, such as
    them paying for their own education up front and then receiving a full
    refund of all their fees upon graduation? (an incentive to study hard
    enough to graduate) thus them then starting out in life with 30+ grand in savings instead of debt! a flying start!

    the knock-on sociological effects would also likely be tremendous too;
    vast sums of 'cash' would be in circulation instead of huge sums of credit
    & debt, people could afford to buy nice things so manufacturing would have
    to soar to meets those hugely increased demands, getting people to work
    who don't need to work at all would require the according wage-incentive,
    thus part time jobs would flourish that would be very well paid, work only
    20 hours per week and you could add maybe another 3 or 400 to your income
    would be worth doing for maybe enough people to be in-work to cover public services and/or whatever, a cap on upper earnings making sure no one can
    get too greedy (big business can earn it by the bucket load and collect
    the kudos for doing so as being captains of industy, but only for the
    industry awards and stuff, and have to give anything over the cap to
    charity and/or to a central fund that goes back into covering all those
    1000 per week grants to everyone etc for example...)

    that once it all started rolling and picking up steam, even organised
    crime would likely diminish too as it would be hard to find criminally
    inclined workers who don't really need the money + who have no real
    incentive to get more by becoming involved with crime, police resources
    being freed-up from all that more usual petty crime from the previously
    poorer section, being able to focus more on such things at less cost,
    children too would be more likely to be raised in a sane + balanced
    household by parents who can much more easily afford to have them and
    enjoy them instead of being stressed by the situation...

    the list goes on & on?

    the whole thing's a potential snowball :)

    we have to start somewhere don't we, so why not at the bottom for a change
    eh? ;)

    i.e., give everyone over the age of 18 £1000 per week for doing nothing,
    for just being alive, and equipped now to go out and live a life which
    they can also easily add to if they are so inclined, no pressure...

    people don't really like or wanna be idle, they'll find things to do, from simple things like raising a family, to working in shops part time or
    whatever because they like doing it, to more complex things like being a
    doctor or a designer, their renumeration being more in kudos from their
    peers and from industry rather than being merely financial and security-based...

    i think it would work, and would likely turn our civilisation around
    almost overnight by sociological standards, happier people would raise
    happier children and so there would prolly be less stress-related mental & emotional illness as well, we might even all end up happy & sane :)

    oh, and did i mention the necessity to forgive all prior debt in order to
    start fresh? (smile)

    might be a bit of a pickle then for a generation or 2 huh while all that
    gets sorted out & appropriately compensated, but after that the sky's the
    limit :)

    now which brave country/society out there is gonna go first eh?

    it needs vision & big balls for sure! but whomever it is they will be
    forever remembered as being the first brave soul to take the plunge that actually created a better world for themselves & everyone else too...

    not bad hehe :)

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  • From angelovechildlikesoul@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, November 16, 2019 14:44:26
    From: rainbowguardian@web.de

    Am 07.11.2019 um 15:13 schrieb slider:
    ### - ok, here's an idea for solving the global financial situation AND
    crime at the same time + many other things too considering the potential knock-on/ripple-effects applying such a solution would likely create...

    and it's simple really...

    just give everyone over the age of 18 £1000 a week! :)

    and then let's watch the crimes figures literally drop like a stone!

    i mean, anyone caught shoplifting after that obviously has something
    wrong with them haha, some kinda mental/emotional problem etc that
    obviously needs attention not punishment...

    plus, with such a reasonable income, no one will ever need to steal
    someone's phone and/or whatever ever again either, they can more simply
    & safely buy their own! things like burglary would likely die-out too
    because no one would really need to do it, instead of of a life of petty crime just trying to get by they can instead have a life, a young couple
    on 2000 per week by default between them can afford a mortgage, kids of
    18 could 'afford' to go to college and not end up starting-out in life
    with a 30+ grand debt (certain incentives could also be included there,
    such as them paying for their own education up front and then receiving
    a full refund of all their fees upon graduation? (an incentive to study
    hard enough to graduate) thus them then starting out in life with 30+
    grand in savings instead of debt! a flying start!

    the knock-on sociological effects would also likely be tremendous too;
    vast sums of 'cash' would be in circulation instead of huge sums of
    credit & debt, people could afford to buy nice things so manufacturing
    would have to soar to meets those hugely increased demands, getting
    people to work who don't need to work at all would require the according wage-incentive, thus part time jobs would flourish that would be very
    well paid, work only 20 hours per week and you could add maybe another 3
    or 400 to your income would be worth doing for maybe enough people to be in-work to cover public services and/or whatever, a cap on upper
    earnings making sure no one can get too greedy (big business can earn it
    by the bucket load and collect the kudos for doing so as being captains
    of industy, but only for the industry awards and stuff, and have to give anything over the cap to charity and/or to a central fund that goes back
    into covering all those 1000 per week grants to everyone etc for
    example...)

    that once it all started rolling and picking up steam, even organised
    crime would likely diminish too as it would be hard to find criminally inclined workers who don't really need the money + who have no real
    incentive to get more by becoming involved with crime, police resources
    being freed-up from all that more usual petty crime from the previously poorer section, being able to focus more on such things at less cost, children too would be more likely to be raised in a sane + balanced
    household by parents who can much more easily afford to have them and
    enjoy them instead of being stressed by the situation...

    the list goes on & on?

    the whole thing's a potential snowball :)

    we have to start somewhere don't we, so why not at the bottom for a
    change eh? ;)

    i.e., give everyone over the age of 18 £1000 per week for doing nothing,
    for just being alive, and equipped now to go out and live a life which
    they can also easily add to if they are so inclined, no pressure...

    people don't really like or wanna be idle, they'll find things to do,
    from simple things like raising a family, to working in shops part time
    or whatever because they like doing it, to more complex things like
    being a doctor or a designer, their renumeration being more in kudos
    from their peers and from industry rather than being merely financial
    and security-based...

    i think it would work, and would likely turn our civilisation around
    almost overnight by sociological standards, happier people would raise happier children and so there would prolly be less stress-related mental
    & emotional illness as well, we might even all end up happy & sane :)

    oh, and did i mention the necessity to forgive all prior debt in order
    to start fresh? (smile)

    might be a bit of a pickle then for a generation or 2 huh while all that
    gets sorted out & appropriately compensated, but after that the sky's
    the limit :)

    now which brave country/society out there is gonna go first eh?

    it needs vision & big balls for sure! but whomever it is they will be
    forever remembered as being the first brave soul to take the plunge that actually created a better world for themselves & everyone else too...

    not bad hehe :)

    You wantto join my world salvation political party?

    --
    https://slowtemple.space

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, November 21, 2019 02:37:44
    From: slider@anashram.com

    rainbowguardian wrote...

    ### - ok, here's an idea for solving the global financial situation AND
    crime at the same time + many other things too considering the
    potential knock-on/ripple-effects applying such a solution would likely
    create...
    and it's simple really...
    just give everyone over the age of 18 £1000 a week! :)
    and then let's watch the crimes figures literally drop like a stone!
    i mean, anyone caught shoplifting after that obviously has something
    wrong with them haha, some kinda mental/emotional problem etc that
    obviously needs attention not punishment...
    plus, with such a reasonable income, no one will ever need to steal
    someone's phone and/or whatever ever again either, they can more simply
    & safely buy their own! things like burglary would likely die-out too
    because no one would really need to do it, instead of of a life of
    petty crime just trying to get by they can instead have a life, a young
    couple on 2000 per week by default between them can afford a mortgage,
    kids of 18 could 'afford' to go to college and not end up starting-out
    in life with a 30+ grand debt (certain incentives could also be
    included there, such as them paying for their own education up front
    and then receiving a full refund of all their fees upon graduation? (an
    incentive to study hard enough to graduate) thus them then starting out
    in life with 30+ grand in savings instead of debt! a flying start!
    the knock-on sociological effects would also likely be tremendous too;
    vast sums of 'cash' would be in circulation instead of huge sums of
    credit & debt, people could afford to buy nice things so manufacturing
    would have to soar to meets those hugely increased demands, getting
    people to work who don't need to work at all would require the
    according wage-incentive, thus part time jobs would flourish that would
    be very well paid, work only 20 hours per week and you could add maybe
    another 3 or 400 to your income would be worth doing for maybe enough
    people to be in-work to cover public services and/or whatever, a cap on
    upper earnings making sure no one can get too greedy (big business can
    earn it by the bucket load and collect the kudos for doing so as being
    captains of industy, but only for the industry awards and stuff, and
    have to give anything over the cap to charity and/or to a central fund
    that goes back into covering all those 1000 per week grants to everyone
    etc for example...)
    that once it all started rolling and picking up steam, even organised
    crime would likely diminish too as it would be hard to find criminally
    inclined workers who don't really need the money + who have no real
    incentive to get more by becoming involved with crime, police resources
    being freed-up from all that more usual petty crime from the previously
    poorer section, being able to focus more on such things at less cost,
    children too would be more likely to be raised in a sane + balanced
    household by parents who can much more easily afford to have them and
    enjoy them instead of being stressed by the situation...
    the list goes on & on?
    the whole thing's a potential snowball :)
    we have to start somewhere don't we, so why not at the bottom for a
    change eh? ;)
    i.e., give everyone over the age of 18 £1000 per week for doing
    nothing, for just being alive, and equipped now to go out and live a
    life which they can also easily add to if they are so inclined, no
    pressure...
    people don't really like or wanna be idle, they'll find things to do,
    from simple things like raising a family, to working in shops part time
    or whatever because they like doing it, to more complex things like
    being a doctor or a designer, their renumeration being more in kudos
    from their peers and from industry rather than being merely financial
    and security-based...
    i think it would work, and would likely turn our civilisation around
    almost overnight by sociological standards, happier people would raise
    happier children and so there would prolly be less stress-related
    mental & emotional illness as well, we might even all end up happy &
    sane :)
    oh, and did i mention the necessity to forgive all prior debt in order
    to start fresh? (smile)
    might be a bit of a pickle then for a generation or 2 huh while all
    that gets sorted out & appropriately compensated, but after that the
    sky's the limit :)
    now which brave country/society out there is gonna go first eh?
    it needs vision & big balls for sure! but whomever it is they will be
    forever remembered as being the first brave soul to take the plunge
    that actually created a better world for themselves & everyone else
    too...
    not bad hehe :)

    You wantto join my world salvation political party?

    ### - i thought for a long time about this, but upon consideration think
    that political parties are out of touch & possibly also out of date?

    by which i mean, of course there is still going to 'be' political parties,
    but unfortunately they are all being run by nearly insane humans just
    trying to get votes, and who will say and promise anything they think
    people will vote for just to gain that power...

    so really, and until our political parties (and the humans running them)
    are more sane and thus have more humane + educated ideas about what this
    world really needs, i would instead prefer to see something like global movements that ultilises sheer numbers to achieve things?

    e.g., if 'every' human being on this planet, every man, woman & child, all planted just one tree in the next month, that would be just about 8
    billion new trees in the world in only a month!

    ditto if every human being on this planet, every man, woman & child, in
    just one month collected 1 kilo of plastic each and recycled it, that
    would mean that nearly 8 billion kilos of plastic would not end up in the
    sea etc etc...

    likewise, if every man, woman & old enough child on this planet donated
    just one dollar to a central fund, that would create a pool of money that
    could then be pointed at some one serious world problem and totally solve
    it!

    iow: people power! not political power?

    ipso facto there is only 'one' political party even worth voting for,
    imho, and that's the left wing in any form & nation, anything else is
    literally a wasted vote that ultimately only adds to the right-wing by
    taking votes away 'from' the left!

    movements that operate 'outside' of political parties, nor with any ties
    to political parties, but that are not opposed to political parties (so
    not a revolution then ok?)

    that in that sense, political parties ultimately just make things harder
    to accomplish, so we need independent movements that can still accomplish things without having to first go down some political route...

    e.g., if someone really famous like david attenborough got up on world tv
    and asked for a dollar from everyone to create a fund that will go
    directly out and clear up all the plastic from the sea, ALL of it! and
    then actually did it live on tv (collected billions of dollars and then
    showed tons of that crap being removed etc) and didn't stop until the job
    was complete... might just set a precedent that could then be repeated in
    other forms and/or applied to other things, and politics wouldn't even be involved except maybe from the sidelines to encourage people to join in...

    that it has to be a truly 'global' thing if it's to really count :)

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