• what was that drug anyways? lol

    From drifting@1:229/2 to All on Monday, October 28, 2019 15:53:38
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    (slider puts another 10c in the 5-reel slot machine with the horsey-theme
    & pulls the handle heh)

    lol i loves this machine :)))

    amusement park fun for sure.
    you would be proud of uncle chrissy today with
    having images while awake. I had a flurry of
    dream images as i had my eyes closed this morning.
    What gives--how come so easy? we were having
    drugs influence what i was seeing. Had some surgery
    as an outpatient this morning. Home now after a quickie
    surgery at the hospital. I think the old assemblage point
    got kicked around a little from the drugs they use to put
    you under. This real is a trip. I usually don't have
    any images when i close my eyes to go to sleep. We'll see
    what happens today if i can take a nap. Boy am i sore from
    the surgery, son of a bitch, anyhow i'm taking it easy
    while i heal. Better living through chemistry. ha ha

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  • From drifting@1:229/2 to All on Monday, October 28, 2019 21:22:46
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    ### - it's easy because imho we've all been seeing them all our lives all along anyway, there being no premium placed on seeing them we just don't notice it!

    shorty use to say this and i never knew what he saying. I knew it was something very interesting but i just didn't 'know'. He said
    "that he had always been seeing energy".


    ### - the main thing here, from my pov that is, is that you're now psychologically prepared in-advance to notice these things and to then attempt to act on them if/when it occurs (perfect) plus having already genuinely WILDed at least a couple of times, you also know just what to expect if/when you get it right...

    i don't know what to expect when these things appear anymore than i can
    guess what is going to happen in a dream. The shit just comes. It shows
    up and you witness whatever it is. Does anybody ever know what is going to show up in psychedelic dream/experience? Not really. It's always a surprise. Your mind sez "surprise motherfucker, better hold on to the rails here for awhile, it's coming at you". Hold your perception steady
    mate. You can change your underwear later. ha ha !

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, October 29, 2019 01:28:42
    From: slider@anashram.com

    (slider puts another 10c in the 5-reel slot machine with the
    horsey-theme
    & pulls the handle heh)

    lol i loves this machine :)))

    amusement park fun for sure.

    ### - it's my fav machine in the whole arcade haha ;)


    you would be proud of uncle chrissy today with
    having images while awake. I had a flurry of
    dream images as i had my eyes closed this morning.
    What gives--how come so easy?

    ### - it's easy because imho we've all been seeing them all our lives all
    along anyway, there being no premium placed on seeing them we just don't
    notice it! the training for WILDing, however, reverses all that and brings
    it to our attention, and then we begin to notice it and see that it's
    happening all the time only we've been filtering it all out! suddenly a
    'lot' of things start to make more sense! things we knew about all along
    but have been routinely ignoring and/or calling something else! (such as:
    all so-called hallucinations are really + actually aspects of hypnagogia)

    yours is actually an interesting case from my pov heh, in that you haven't really been trying (at least not systematically as suggested) but even so
    it's still beginning to arise in you now that you've noticed there's
    possibly quite a lot more to it; and that's interesting: ya starts the
    ball (of beginning to notice it) rolling and it all starts to unfold by
    itself regardless??

    you 'could' speed up the process, of course, only that's not your
    inclination, you tend to let things come to you instead, but it's
    obviously working (in you) anyway!

    so then, maybe 'anyone' attempting to WILD will eventually have a similar experience too?

    cool + there's hope for the world yet! ;)




    we were having
    drugs influence what i was seeing. Had some surgery
    as an outpatient this morning. Home now after a quickie
    surgery at the hospital. I think the old assemblage point
    got kicked around a little from the drugs they use to put
    you under. This real is a trip. I usually don't have
    any images when i close my eyes to go to sleep. We'll see
    what happens today if i can take a nap.

    ### - the main thing here, from my pov that is, is that you're now psychologically prepared in-advance to notice these things and to then
    attempt to act on them if/when it occurs (perfect) plus having already genuinely WILDed at least a couple of times, you also know just what to
    expect if/when you get it right...



    Boy am i sore from
    the surgery, son of a bitch, anyhow i'm taking it easy
    while i heal. Better living through chemistry. ha ha

    ### - so the missus finally had ya go in for the snip did she? (laffing)

    ball-sack the size of a small melon to look forward to tomorrow then lol
    (j/k) :P

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, October 29, 2019 10:54:45
    From: slider@anashram.com

    - it's easy because imho we've all been seeing them all our lives all
    along anyway, there being no premium placed on seeing them we just don't
    notice it!

    shorty use to say this and i never knew what he saying. I knew it was something very interesting but i just didn't 'know'. He said
    "that he had always been seeing energy".

    ### - can't speak for 'energy' or the 'seeing' of it, but what we now call hypnagogia has been there in-use in the background all along, the closest
    can marry that to cc being him stating that we're all aware of these
    things but just not in a deliberate manner & way; iow we've rationalised
    it all into a service that's running unnoticed in the background, the
    'proof' of that being the way things like that then come forward into our conscious awareness once it/they've been pointed out to us...

    think on this: that what we call our 'conscience' is also potentially an
    aspect of this silent knowing, one which we dip into constantly as we talk
    & conjecture to ourselves, ditto the image of the world that we've learned
    to relate to since birth; it's all done (and maintained) unconsciously in
    a polished routine manner alone + god help us if that auto-pilot
    programming ever develops a glitch lol ;)



    ### - the main thing here, from my pov that is, is that you're now
    psychologically prepared in-advance to notice these things and to then
    attempt to act on them if/when it occurs (perfect) plus having already
    genuinely WILDed at least a couple of times, you also know just what to
    expect if/when you get it right...

    i don't know what to expect when these things appear anymore than i can
    guess what is going to happen in a dream. The shit just comes. It
    shows
    up and you witness whatever it is. Does anybody ever know what is going
    to
    show up in psychedelic dream/experience? Not really. It's always a surprise. Your mind sez "surprise motherfucker, better hold on to the
    rails here for awhile, it's coming at you". Hold your perception
    steady
    mate. You can change your underwear later. ha ha !

    ### - didn't mean knowing in-advance what hypnagogic 'images' (or dreams)
    might show up, that's always random (although particular dreams,
    especially older forgotten ones, can defo be deliberately recalled &
    reentered at that point with practice) but the fact that once they 'begin'
    to appear in 'any' form, you then know what to try to 'attempt' to do with them, e.g., triggering a WILD by looking at some of their details... that successfully having already done that a couple of times you now know what
    to expect if/when you invoke those hypnagogia and/or when they appear at random...

    that because you're not deliberately invoking the hypnagogia and instead
    only waiting on chance to make them appear, you're now in the position of
    kinda laying in-wait for them to occur so you can try to jump on the
    situation to take advantage of it again and experience another full WILD...

    this is the same thing (or the problem created really) that happens with
    those using wbtb to go WILD on instead of learning to deliberately bring themselves into that state, and as such they're availing themselves of the opportunity to WILD by dint of having already slept for a while, in which
    case they're actually still in a partially altered state of awareness
    (feels like not yet fully awake iow)

    the point being, that 'any', even only slightly altered state of
    awareness, is plenty when it comes to seeing those hypnagogia for
    example... and this is why wbtb even works at all...

    better still (much better all round actually) is that of learning to deliberately bring 'oneself' into that same slightly altered state of
    awareness yourself, e.g., by learning to relax the body until it begins to
    feel just a bit/slightly odd) at which point one is then in almost exactly
    the same position (in awareness) as that automatically brought about by
    wbtb, see?

    this is why the drugs affected you: that is precisely what drugs do! they slightly alter our usual awareness and then we begin to notice all kinds
    of things we didn't pay any attention to before!

    iow: ANY altered state, no matter how slight, opens us up to more than
    we're usually dealing with, seeing slight shifting colours and images
    being a direct symptom of that! the only problem was that we didn't
    realise all the things that 'can' be done from that pov! (we got high, we
    gots stoned or drunk whatever, it's all the same, and we then enjoyed that
    part alone rather than trying to see if anything else can be done with it
    too other than enjoyment...)

    the problem with drugs, or substances, or even wbtb, is that they rob us
    of the volition involved to turn the whole thing into something more
    volitional altogether! thus the most important part of the whole training
    & practice is in fact this first stage wherein one learns to deliberately
    bring oneself into that slightly altered state of awareness...

    gaining 'volition' is the bottom line; volition is everything!

    and because without volition we end up as being/remaining someone else's
    bitch haha :)))

    (and believe me, life can be a real bitch!)

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