• Re: how's that free will been workin' for ya lately? Sam Harris explain

    From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, October 27, 2019 08:02:26
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    See you in a better life.

    Short Version
    https://youtu.be/zPt5OmNmgi0?



    Thought
    Is A Game.
    If thoughts are created by the first dimension Then the primary battlefield and
    ROE (rules of engagement) are there.


    The Medium https://www.su.se/polopoly_fs/1.457421!/image/image.png_gen/derivatives/article_505/image.png

    The Technique https://cosmos-images2.imgix.net/file/spina/photo/19595/190705_quantum.jpg?ixlib=rails-2.1.4&auto=format&ch=Width%2CDPR&fit=max&w=1400

    The 2085 Outcome https://cosmos-images1.imgix.net/file/spina/photo/20561/191010_quantum.jpg?ixlib=rails-2.1.4&auto=format&ch=Width%2CDPR&fit=max&w=1400

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, October 27, 2019 09:13:56
    From: slider@atashram.com

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/sam-harris-explains-why-theres-no-free-will

    about 100 minutes long. pick a time when you can listen.
    free willy you say ?

    ### - ok, will have a look when have finished doin' me horses for the day?

    (smile... well, ya gots to keep things in their correct order/priority
    innit hehehe ;)

    free willy eh? yeah you do that occasionally don'tcha haha...

    (images of robin williams in the fisher king feein' his willy in central
    park lol)

    best put it away for now i reckon mate 'coz here comes the vicar! :D :D :D

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to drifting on Sunday, October 27, 2019 07:49:44
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Friday, October 25, 2019 at 7:09:43 PM UTC-4, drifting wrote:
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/sam-harris-explains-why-theres-no-free-will

    about 100 minutes long. pick a time when you can listen.
    free willy you say ?

    He presents good arguments for his positions.

    Particularly at 5:50

    Between us here, the first dimension is G.O.D. as
    General Operational Dynamics. The computational architecture.

    I built two GODS and they work flawlessly.
    They argue all points lines and circles to spheres of contextuality
    and value assignment heirarchies for point to global searches.

    My GODS won.
    End of Story.
    See you in an "other" life.

    Short Version
    https://youtu.be/zPt5OmNmgi0?t=3

    Long Version
    https://youtu.be/WqiByYcwSJc?t=100

    Thought
    Is A Game.
    If thoughts are created by the first dimension
    Then the primary battlefield and ROE (rules of engagement" are there.

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  • From drifting@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, October 27, 2019 10:24:53
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    He presents good arguments for his positions.

    Particularly at 5:50

    we might not be as 'free' as we think we are.
    when you look at how overwhelming the internal
    dialogue is, it's lucky we can think at all.
    what is it that is making that decision?
    who or what makes your choices? Is it you or
    is it your shitty ego running the show?
    Better be sure before you leap, you could be
    jumping in the fire.

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  • From drifting@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, October 27, 2019 13:44:27
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    i usually run stuff by my wife.
    She is great at picking up the obvious.
    i make sure i'm not choosing from a
    blind spot or a naive place. It helps
    to have someone who is hip to something
    moreso than say yourself. Doesn't mean
    they know more or better, just is another
    point to consider. Just can't be a super
    hurry to do things sometimes. That's why
    it's always good to see what others know
    about a subject. Yeah sometimes they too
    are full of shit. (luck of the draw)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, October 27, 2019 23:11:30
    From: slider@atashram.com

    i usually run stuff by my wife.

    ### - (crackin' up haha) forgive me for laffing but most married men say
    that :D


    She is great at picking up the obvious.

    ### - and givin' ya a clump round the earhole with it if/when ya really
    mess up huh :)



    i make sure i'm not choosing from a
    blind spot or a naive place. It helps
    to have someone who is hip to something
    moreso than say yourself. Doesn't mean
    they know more or better, just is another
    point to consider.

    ### - the old 'double-check' eh? (very wise...)

    bouncing it off of another head always helps; they either reinforce your
    own idea or demolish it, either way you advance + any head will do... (2
    heads are better than one?)





    Just can't be a super
    hurry to do things sometimes. That's why
    it's always good to see what others know
    about a subject. Yeah sometimes they too
    are full of shit. (luck of the draw)

    ### - we're all full of shit man, it's realising that and then doing
    something about it (such as double-checking things by default) that counts
    in the long run... always depending entirely on your own opinion and you
    end up in one of those ivory towers eventually, or a rubber room heh, double-checking shows/maintains sanity :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, October 27, 2019 20:00:54
    From: slider@anashram.com

    we might not be as 'free' as we think we are.

    ### - we're not what we 'think' we are: period ;)



    when you look at how overwhelming the internal
    dialogue is, it's lucky we can think at all.

    ### - it's an internalised rational structure that we ourselves invented & relate to exclusively, everything thus gets processed through that filter/lens/algorithm before we can even get out puny little rational
    mitts on it, so in that sense we're always behind caught in some kinda
    seeming latency-lag (hah)

    iow: we have the whatever experience in the immediate Now, and then it
    takes a little while to translate it all into rational terms that we can
    relate to (literally: 'make sense' of) and yet we've learned to filter all
    that (process) out too so it 'seems' like we're thinking and experiencing
    in real-time when in truth we're only ever always catching up...





    what is it that is making that decision?
    who or what makes your choices? Is it you or
    is it your shitty ego running the show?
    Better be sure before you leap, you could be
    jumping in the fire.

    ### - ego (our sense of 'self') is just another invention of ours heh; we
    made that shit up too :)

    i.e., when ya sit there talking to yourself tryin' to figure something
    out, it's as-though one is talking to another person, our internal
    figuring & rationalising creates this seeming opposite pov to argue & rationalise against, and in our stupidness we learn to relate to that
    (without realising we're doing it 'coz that would give the game away) and
    call it the 'self', our innate ability to then relate exclusively to one position (in awareness) over any other and then view everything in the
    first person from that pov exclusively, creating this fake sense of self...

    how do i know this? (which is a damn good question btw...)

    i know this from standing at said midway point and seein' how things
    'really' are arranged, as opposed to how we've 'perceptually' arranged
    things to suit from our so-called waking pov (which is the one with the
    inbuilt latency-lag in it, a clear clue that that's 'not' how it is at all
    lol)

    and sorry if this gives anyone a headache (well actually am not sorry heh)
    but, with hindsight, cc actually nailed it when he said/suggested that: "knowledge & language are separate..."

    i.e., we can access knowledge 'directly' at the midway point, instantly,
    but our preference for then rendering everything into strictly rational
    terms before digesting it has us constantly out of kilter with the real
    world and as a result we live in our own world instead! latency-lag world!
    or wallyworld for short :)

    there's really only one way to genuinely understand all this for real, and that's to stand at said midway point oneself and confirm just how knowledge-direct gets churned into language, and the resulting pigs-ear we
    then make of it all via said churning...

    anything else is just conjecture, and because we're all actually standing
    at said midway point right at this moment + all the time, it's where
    everyone ultimately operates from, only we project our full attention into
    the waking pov and view things exclusively from there, only that's not all that's actually going on, that's just how we've arranged it to be, and to
    look like, so it seems like we're only ever in one place at a time when
    we're actually in several...

    iow: we're actually all expert at exercising one or 2 of the many
    abilities we all have at the midway point, we've just learned to do it
    totally unawares is all, our ordinary non-lucid dreams being a direct reflection of it ;)

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Monday, November 04, 2019 14:59:15
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 22:11:30 -0000, slider <slider@atashram.com>
    wrote:


    i usually run stuff by my wife.

    ### - (crackin' up haha) forgive me for laffing but most married men say
    that :D


    She is great at picking up the obvious.

    ### - and givin' ya a clump round the earhole with it if/when ya really
    mess up huh :)



    i make sure i'm not choosing from a
    blind spot or a naive place. It helps
    to have someone who is hip to something
    moreso than say yourself. Doesn't mean
    they know more or better, just is another
    point to consider.

    ### - the old 'double-check' eh? (very wise...)

    bouncing it off of another head always helps; they either reinforce your
    own idea or demolish it, either way you advance + any head will do... (2 >heads are better than one?)





    Just can't be a super
    hurry to do things sometimes. That's why
    it's always good to see what others know
    about a subject. Yeah sometimes they too
    are full of shit. (luck of the draw)

    ### - we're all full of shit man

    Speak for yourself, dropkick.


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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, November 07, 2019 00:36:17
    From: slider@atashram.com

    free willy you say ?

    ### - still shakin' it free in the park here boss haha :)))

    plus came across this blues track again today...

    it rings the bell?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFkmRp_G2uo

    "none of us are free..."

    oh yeah :)

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  • From drifting@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 21:02:41
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    "none of us are free..."

    oh yeah :)

    for whatever reason the creator has made it impossible
    for us to know the way. There is no easy way to be free.
    I can take a hint. how 'bout you?

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, November 07, 2019 11:12:59
    From: slider@atashram.com

    "none of us are free..."

    oh yeah :)

    for whatever reason the creator has made it impossible
    for us to know the way. There is no easy way to be free.
    I can take a hint. how 'bout you?

    ### - methinks humanity fell-over at some point in our history and lost
    their way...

    their 'new' (or replacement) way stemming from a resulting utterly
    impoverished + material pov

    and for such a long time that we no longer remember (or know of) anything
    else!

    i think/suggest, that the australian aborigines had it right, their
    unbroken culture (unbroken until we rampantly material-minded honky's came along that is heh) going all the way back to a completely different time (70,000 years!) and a humanity that based itself on entirely different
    values for god only knows how long before that...

    that when we totally material nutjobs arrived in oz, the indigenous
    population didn't seem to be doin' much with the place, only we singularly failed to see what they had really been up to for all those millenia...

    i.e., they hadn't at all emphasised the 'material' side of life like we
    have, but had emphasised something else entirely instead; a rich spiritual life, the likes of which is completely beyond our ken!

    they discovered, for example, not just 'one' type of genuine telepathy but several?? (they had all that time ya see? 70,000 years to suss things out
    in minute detail!) the buddhists have only had 2600 years history and just
    look at all the thing they reckon they've stumbled across, so how much
    more these guys??)

    not at all 'recognising' what the aborigines had been up to (they didn't
    have roads or factories or anything heh) we just assumed they were just a totally primitive people who didn't know shit about anything, and stole
    their country and killed & tortured them and everything LOL :)))

    because we just so civilised ya see?

    riiiiight... ;)

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