From: slider@anashram.com

The Midway Point

We return now to an amazing and rather illuminating aspect of lucid
dreaming the WILD way, something which appears to be totally lacking in
DILDs but ever-present almost from the beginning with WILDs.

This is an automatic aspect of lucid dreaming from the point of view of
having entered into them being already fully awake. I am at a loss to
explain this fully, apart from the observation that it is a seemingly consistent feature of WILDing that is almost totally absent from DILDs.

For example, the first time I lucid dreamed in WILDs in any kind of
prolonged manner I just so happened to be lying on my left side and didn’t realise yet what a difference left-sided dreams would make as far as their content was concerned. While playing around with hypnagogia the dream
began and, very abruptly, I found myself in an old orange painted room in
some apparently abandoned building, an apartment that appeared to have
been inhabited at some point in the past, yet the occupants had moved away leaving behind just bare floorboards and dust, cracked paint and the odd
piece of wastepaper strewn around. The overall impression was that the
place was deserted and that no one had been there for quite some time. (Symbolic or what?)

I was perfectly aware that I was dreaming and, not wanting the dream to
end prematurely, I deliberately ignored the sudden jolt of the realisation
that I was actually dreaming and walked about examining the room instead. However, my fears about accidentally dispelling the dream prematurely were unfounded because everything in the dream remained steady and clear no
matter what I thought or did. My normal waking memory was also completely unimpaired; I could think perfectly clearly and, although I didn’t really know what to do next, I was able to take the time to consider my next move carefully. In the meantime, I walked around the apartment from room to
room examining things. The decor was just about the same in every room I visited, a kind of deep, dusty, faded orange colour on plain painted
walls. Everything about it said old and deserted, yet even the dust in
that place twinkled dimly with a kind of inner-light of its own. The most remarkable thing about it was the complete steadiness and seeming realness
of everything I was seeing and touching. I examined myself and appeared to
be just as real and solid as I usually knew myself to be and found myself casually dressed in jeans and a t-shirt.

After a while, I remembered reading somewhere of a dreaming technique
whereby touching the tip of your tongue on the roof of your mouth while
lucid dreaming was supposed to enhance your lucidity, and to that end I attempted to do so. Only what happened next was totally unexpected. I
suddenly found myself firmly pressing my thumbs against the curled
forefingers of my hands which had made a fist. The immediate effect of
which was almost electrifying in terms of the increased clarity I then
suddenly experienced! However, what I had thought was marvellously clear
and sharp before paled to insignificance compared to what was happening
now. The best way to describe it is that everything, myself included,
literally lit up and sparkled with its own vibrant inner energy and
colours. What had been rather drab and dull only moments before now
suddenly glowed in almost scintillating rainbow colours that shocked me
and made me step back a bit.

I marvelled at how I had intended to do one thing only to find myself
doing something completely different, namely, pressing my thumbs instead
of touching the tip of my tongue to the roof of my mouth. At which point,
and with no warning whatsoever, I abruptly found myself lying back in bed,
on my left side, in my darkened bedroom where I immediately noticed I was
also pressing my thumbs against the curled fingers of my hands there too.
I really didn’t know what to think about this sudden, strange turn of affairs, but I remembered that what I was originally trying to do was to enhance lucidity by holding my tongue against the roof of my mouth and,
quite logically, assumed that if I did so while I was still awake in bed,
then maybe this would also transfer itself back into the dream. So,
without changing my position at all, I did just that; I deliberately
un-pressed my thumbs and instead held my tongue against the roof of my
mouth. Without knowing how, the next thing I knew I was back in the same
orange room as before, except now I was indeed touching the tip of my
tongue against the roof of my mouth. Only it didn’t seem to do anything at all; the sparkling colours had simply reverted back to drab and dull
again, the tongue-trick disappointingly not appearing to have any effects
at all upon lucidity. What I couldn’t figure out, however, was how I had managed to be pressing my thumbs when I had originally intended to do
something else altogether. I had sought a greater lucidity in the dream
and achieved it, although not quite by using the method I’d set out to employ. I pondered on this for quite a while in the dream only to find
myself suddenly back in bed still lying on my left side.

Dammit! I thought, realising quite clearly that my rather ponderous
behaviour had just got me booted out of my very first prolonged lucid
dream, only I could somehow tell that I wasn’t yet fully awake in the
usual sense. I was clearly lying in bed with my eyes closed and still
hadn’t moved or changed position at all, yet I could also still see the orange dream room floating like a bubble in the pitch dark just a few
metres away. In fact, I seemed to be in a very strange place where I could clearly see both the lucid dream and myself lying in bed at one and the
same time. At this point it only required a simple shift of focus to
switch from one to the other. I wanted to know more about this strange
place between waking and dreaming, but my original intention to have a
lucid dream convinced me to go that way instead. I stared at the dream
bubble to the left of me in which I could clearly see now what looked like buildings of some sort and stepped/leaned towards it. Instantly I was back
in a lucid dream again only this time everything appeared to be at arm’s length compared to the utter convincing reality of that initial orange
room dream. I appeared to be in a modern and spacious garage of some sort.
All the recognisable tools of the mechanic’s trade were lying around
either on the ground or on shelves, and I was looking at everything which
still exhibited a very dreamlike quality in this dream as opposed to the
utter reality of the first. That ‘utter reality’ effect was what I really craved again, only now everything was vague and seen as though I was only viewing it while still lying in bed or as if seen from a distance. I was definitely in the dream, and yet, I was still not quite in it like I was before, with everything somehow lacking that former convincing realness.

At this point a young man in clean, garage-type, light green overalls
stepped out from a doorway and glanced briefly in my direction while
walking towards what looked like a large lever standing four feet tall
from the floor. He slowly pulled on that lever and, to my amazement, a circular area of about twelve feet all around me began to sink slowly into
the ground with me still standing on it. I quickly realised that I
appeared to be standing on some sort of an industrial elevator that was lowering me down to other levels of that building. Not knowing what to do
I just stood there and watched as the ground slowly sank away below me and
I descended with it. I watched several floors in succession pass me by as
I went down until finally, I seemed to be at the bottom of a fairly long
shaft that now towered above me several stories high. The platform I was standing on was definitely slowing down and apparently fitting itself into
a large matching circular area where it was obviously going to stop, but I stepped off of it before it had time to dock fully with the ground. My sensation of the solid reality I had wanted had apparently returned to me
at this level and I was truly back in the dream in the same concrete way I
had been formerly. I glanced behind me at the elevator as it continued to slowly dock with the ground but deliberately ignored the dark space full
of, what looked like, stars just below it. I was fully back in the lucid
dream again and that was all I really cared to know.

There was no one else around. Beyond some swing doors I could see daylight
and I walked towards it quickly finding myself outside in bright sunshine.
I looked around. I was apparently out in the countryside with trees,
hedges and fields all around me. I could see the blue sky above and the
horizon in all directions. I could just feel the reality of it all, so
real, in fact, that I doubted for a moment that I was still dreaming. I
wanted, at that point, to prove to myself that I was indeed still dreaming
and figured quite rationally that, if I was really dreaming, then I should
be able to just fly up in the air if I wanted to. With this in view I
mustered all the strength and intent that I could and leapt up into the
air to see if I could indeed fly, but the force with which I jumped must
have been too much for I literally took off like a bullet and shot up into
the air so fast and furiously that, before I even fully realised what was happening, I could clearly see the curvature of the earth and the
blackness of space beyond. A blackness that then swallowed me whole as I continued to gain altitude, only to suddenly find myself back in bed
again. I was completely nonplussed! Apparently, my overzealous and
prodigious leap in that dream had taken me all the way out to waking.
D’oh! I lay there awake, literally tingling all over from the jolt of
waking up so fast, only again, I wasn’t quite awake in the normal sense
and was instead back at that same midway point between waking and
dreaming. How strange!

Again, I could clearly see that bubble of a lucid dream hovering there in
the dark nearby which appeared to be only a step or two away and slightly
to my left. My resting body then appeared like another option but slightly
off to my right, or rather, the option to be fully awake appeared to my
right, even though I was completely aware of myself lying down in bed.
This place between these two options was indeed very strange and I decided
at that point to investigate further.

To my utter surprise, I quickly discovered that I was somehow able to
hover at that midway point, being totally aware of myself lying down in
bed, yet at the same time knowing that I wasn’t fully awake in the normal sense. The option to regain full consciousness was like something that
hovered ever so slightly to my right, just as the option to step straight
back into that lucid dream seemed to hover ever so slightly to my left. Furthermore, I could apparently change or shift my point of view from one
to the other and back again at will. In fact, at that moment the option to lucid dream appeared to be equal to the option to reawaken completely. In
order to prove this to myself, I deliberately, and in full consciousness, stepped right back into the lucid dream, only this time the need to feel
myself descend in an elevator was completely unnecessary because the dream
I stepped into was exactly the same dream as before with the same feelings
of solid reality. I was right back in a lucid dream and this time it had
been completely effortless, merely the decision to do so being apparently enough to take me right back into it. Again, I was genuinely amazed at
this sudden unexpected and unanticipated turn of events but, never having experienced any of this before, I assumed that this was probably all
perfectly normal.

I looked around me and saw and noted all the things I had seen in the last dream, trees and rolling cultivated countryside that stretched to the
horizon in all directions, added to which was the absolute certainty that
I was right back in the exact same dream and place as before. Fascinating!
At this point I noticed that I was also aware of myself still standing
back at the midway point, and found that I could again shift my point of
view back and forth between those two points of view. I could be
exclusively in one or the other, yet, paradoxically, even in both at the
same time, although when I did that – by which I mean experiencing both simultaneously – I noticed that the sharp clarity of either point of view
was slightly dulled. It was while I was playing around with all this that
I then became aware that I could also feel myself lying down in bed. With
no effort on my part I found I could very easily shift back and forth
between all three perspectives, with an ever so slight focusing on my part being enough to accomplish it.

The more I played around with it the easier it became, even to the point
of being able to see, feel and experience all three places at the same
time. Added now to which, a feeling of utter confidence began to take
hold. Moreover, at this point I spontaneously realised that shifting back
and forth like that had somehow completely erased all doubts and caution
on my part. Nothing I had read or heard had prepared me for anything like
this and, believe me, I’d read lots about lucid dreaming and thought I at least knew what to expect.

I liked the feeling I’d had while standing at the midway point. I enjoyed
the sheer clarity of it and the warm feelings of calm confidence that came
with it, and so I deliberately returned to that point again in order to
examine it further. I realised then that all this shifting back and forth
had also created in me a very strong sense of total detachment, so strong,
in fact, that I was surprised by the intensity of it. I had already
considered myself to be fairly detached before but this was something new
and at a completely different level. In fact, it was almost frighteningly
cold and distant in a way I’d never quite experienced before, yet at the
same time a strong sense of unparalleled confidence grew out of that very detachment in a way that’s hard to describe. This new detachment allowed
me not only to do whatever I wanted to do at the time, but also provided
me with the direct knowledge of exactly how to do it.

From: ‘The WILD Way To Lucid Dreaming. Lucid Dreaming On Demand.

### - these last 2 paragraphs are really quite important (albeit
deliberately understated) passages in-terms of what it realty
means/implies to be standing at (or in) this midway-point position, and
the kinds of things that happen to us there that imply a genuine advance
in awareness & knowledge...

this 'confidence' mentioned for example, and i've checked this out, being
the direct result of the feeling that you actually now 'know' what you're
doing and the fact that all doubts & trepidations/fears have seemingly completely disappeared... plus that of a distinct connection of some kind

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

looks like you know how to hit the right note
maestro. is there a secret to it or did you
just get lucky? try to teach someone how to
do this and you can change the world.

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From: slider@anashram.com

looks like you know how to hit the right note
maestro. is there a secret to it or did you
just get lucky? try to teach someone how to
do this and you can change the world.

### - smile, in truth i just got bored, and then gots lucky with the
hypnagogia which i'd been totally ignoring up until that point, the more i examined it the more interesting & detailed it became until it was like
looking at a movie in full colour... the 'surprise' coming when one night
i was then suddenly pulled/zoomed right into a full lucid dream as i
watched! (just imagine my surprise lol) and, when able to easily repeat
the exercise the next night and again ended up in a lucid dream, i knew i
was onto something really quite interesting: a far easier way to trigger a lucid dream 'before' even going to sleep!? wtf!

had been waiting a very long time to have a lucid dream so understandably
went for it, and many small, but fun, lucid dreams later, began to notice
this midway point between waking & dreaming...

and this basically because, anyone who WILDs often enough will also
discover it too, inevitably so, and because said midway point is
apparently a place in awareness where lucid dreaming can literally be
performed at will & on-demand and is thus a genuine breakthrough in being
able to lucid dream more deliberately! (which is the purely commercial
side of it...)

this midway point being the real + hidden gem in all this, however, and
was the convincing factor in publishing a paper on it because of its
startling implications, and because it's obviously more than just the
ability to lucid dream alone!

i.e., it's not only a genuine way 'out' of the wallyworld mentality
itself, but is also a means to evolve ourselves beyond it!

so i had to publish it or keep it all to myself, and there was just no way someone like myself could possibly justify doing something like that; this
is for everyone! ;)

next up in the slowly unfolding saga heh, will be a series of short
youtube vids based around the book, a kind of walk-through then that works
with the book but which is also independent of it so ya don't have to also
buy the book to understand & practice it, a single google-advert at the beginning of each vid (am thinking maybe 8 to 10 vids in all) potentially providing a small income @ the current rate of $9.99 per 1000 views (i.e.,
1 million views = $10-grand!) enough, hopefully, to complete setting up a
full trust + website to continue the work of making the book & videos
available independently of my being around to run it...

of course, if/when i wins a fortune on the horsies in the meantime, the
whole thing will just be more professionally done & completed hehe...

what else can a poor boy do :)

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

what else can a poor boy do :)

do it.

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From: slider@atashram.com

what else can a poor boy do :)

do it.

### - gonna have a go + am currently planning the computer required to
render all that video...

otoh, maybe a series of more simple slide-shows + voice-overs will do, but still need to upgrade the soft/hard-ware to handle HD resolutions in order
to future-proof them...

and then it's on with da' show ;)

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From: slider@atashram.com

### - yes folks, and, in a little last minute rush heh, we now have 1001 members in the facebook WILDs & WILDing gang! erm, group i mean haha -
yaay! ;)

it's a very loose association, however, in that new members typically
join, struggle for a month or so maybe, with support, to get their shit together, and then disappear off into the sunset tooled-up now to handle
it all totally by themselves! the need to even 'be' in a group: obviated! except perhaps for the occasional nostalgic return just to say hello
and/or to maybe report on some of their finding/experiences...

so then, not so much a group (or gang heh) as a finishing school; it's now ex-members, not needing to learn any starting lessons over again, move-on
to greater things as totally decided by themselves!

our best performing student, so far, being a young lady who took an
inordinate amount of time to get started finding those hypnagogia, yet
finally finished with a flourish by attaining the midway point (that dark void/sea of awareness) as being her new starting point every time! (perfection!)

i.e., she now just lays down whenever she wants and relaxes for only a few moments before finding herself standing at said midway point almost every
time! wow! a staggering achievement actually! and because from 'that'
position she can now literally lucid dream on demand + can certainly guide herself in & with anything else related too! she doesn't need us anymore!
she doesn't need anyone!

and which imho just goes to show what CAN be done/achieved in really only
a very short time indeed, considering most people typically otherwise
spend years, if not decades, as students in various schools of meditation
& retreats etc, to even get anywhere near attaining such ability!

our fastest student to date; taking only 11-days going from absolute
beginner to achieving his first ever full WILD (impressive!) -
unfortunately, i dunno what happened to him after that as he disappeared
soon after never to be seen again, but wouldn't be at all surprised if he
also found the midway point too after only another similar short time
(call it 25 days total then?) thus kinda proving, if only provisionally,
that it's actually quite possible for someone to get-onto that midway
point pov within only a month of setting out? a month??

which doesn't mean to say they's gonna be geniuses too in only such a
short time heh, as that might take a bit longer depending on their varying background educations to start with, so maybe in about 6 another months
then huh (laffing...) ;)

the 'point' being that, from that midway point pov, genius, so-called, is
only a step or 2 away!

dumb people will perforce ask dumb questions and be content with that heh,
but should learn quickly nevertheless as any lessons learned are imprinted
at a far deeper level than normal/usual and thus should remain influential
even if only unconsciously at first...

a best case scenario being? someone who was dedicated and practiced every
day without fail learning to WILD in a fortnight, and then going-on to
finding the midway point in only another 2 weeks as well...

perforce they'll prolly then spent quite a long time remaining being dumb exploring only the lucid dreaming option, as i did, but once they discover
some of the other available things that are actually far more interesting
than just lucid dreaming alone (once they gets lucid dreaming as being
their only goal out of their system i mean) then they'll surely also start getting some genuine wisdom from their own inner-library (their own subconscious) and thus automatically begin to expand their awareness
thereby and start asking better questions...

that in 3 months (possibly even far less depend on just how dedicated they
are) a person 'could' then potentially go from being just yer average
sapian knucklehead & arm-dragger (heh) to being an Homo-Acutus! :)

Homo-Acutus:
Acuere (Latin) means to make sharp, pointed, penetrative.
Acutus is simply the perfect participle. Acumen derived from same root.
The meaning is then transferred to someone's intellect. Compare "clever" -
to cleave, to cut; i.e.; to have the mother-wit to cut through all the
crap and appreciate the situation as it really is.

i.e., forget the imaginary X-men lol, we gots a Homo Acutus! :)))

('Homo-Acutus' might even look quite kewl on t-shirts & bumper stickers?)

ohhh Chrissss!!!

smile... :)

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From: slider@atashram.com

watch some Watchmen on HBO , some serious shit man.

### - watchmen eh? but am gettin' too old for bs these days haha ;)

used to love a drop of science fiction back in the day tho', read every
fuckin' thing & then some!

and there's some really good shit! (especially the stuff that's more metaphorical)

but it's Reality that floats my boat these days innit: sci-fi on-tap!

immersive sci-fi lol; inner-worlds without end... (my new logo?)

or are they perhaps... actually out there? (some of 'em maybe who knows!)

it's hard to know what's real anymore? (some places are really-real though haha)

there's something (one of 'em) that might just possibly be a parallel
world that i've been back to a few times now, and is worth checking out,
but how the fuck to give ya directions to it? hmm...

ok, try this, the next time you're dreaming remember to ask/shout out loud:

"I wanna go to the place slider was talkin' about where they openly trade excellent weed right across the counter!"

that should do it lol :)))

maybe i'll even see ya there, who knows ;)

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

i.e., forget the imaginary X-men lol, we gots a Homo Acutus! :)))

('Homo-Acutus' might even look quite kewl on t-shirts & bumper stickers?)

ohhh Chrissss!!!

smile... :)

watch some Watchmen on HBO , some serious shit man.

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From: slider@anashram.com

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 11:06:59 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com> wrote:

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 05:45:29 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 03:17:04 +0100, o'Mahoney
<libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 18:04:20 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:59:30 +0100, o'Mahoney
<libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:27:21 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

### - this is the site that would host the video + have found out a >>>>>> little
more about it...

https://www.awakeacademy.org/?v=79cba1185463

i.e., robert waggoner himself is apparently in-process of creating >>>>>> some
online course that's he'll be no doubt charging some exorbitant
prices
for
(looks like on average $150 per course on here) i wouldn't receive >>>>>> any
royalties from it though...

so i asked him for a few more details of what's involved and he's
just
replied:

Hi Brian,

I am working with Awake Academy on a lucid dreaming course. Part of >>>>>> the
course will feature a section on using lucid dreams and the WILD
approach.

The folks at Awake Academy wonder if you would be willing to do a
Zoom
video with me, where you discuss the WILD lucid dream technique?
They
would edit the video to make it look professional.

Would you have an interest in telling your story?

***

iow: it looks like he's perhaps only really seeking my personal
expertise
and original material to just help promote 'his' new online
courses??

methinks then it would be far better to create my own online course >>>>>> and
upload it to this site for them to promote heh, this site presumably >>>>>> taking a percentage on any income generated via it...

so how's about i create my 'own' comprehensive online course and
charge
say only $10 for it lol...

and thus undercut ALL those fuckers (like charlie morley) charging >>>>>> over
$100 for 'em???

they'd prolly all hate me haha :)))

First, ask him by email what he intends to do with the content you
contribute, whether you have final editorial rights over it, and if
he
intends to monetise it, what will be your percentage?

There is less honour in business than there is in war. Everyone is
trying to make a crust, make ends meet. This guy too, undoubtedly.

When you have a response, kick it over here and I'll give you some
advice. I'm thinking a contract will do the trick and I have many,
many templates from times past...

### - ah that's prolly very good advise but am not even gonna do it at >>>> all
thang... to my mind all the current big-wigs of lucid dreaming (the
current kings of it) are finally coming around to realising that WILDs >>>> are
gonna be a thing and are adapting their formats accordingly in order
to
hedge their bets... charley morley, for example, was already offering
stuff about WILDs but only all the vague old-school techniques that no >>>> one
liked involving sleep paralysis and other completely unnecessary shit
that's ultimately given WILDs a bad rep as being somehow too difficult >>>> for
beginners etc, and this with a heavy emphasis on the wake back to bed
method to-boot, all now made totally redundant by the advent of
WILDing
via hypnagogia alone on demand (so how cool is that heh, plus have
obviously made a small dent in the community over the last 5 years
then
heh)

robert waggoner having now provided me with the perfect excuse to let
him
down gently, i.e., can say am currently involved in creating my own
online
courses, quite possibly using the videos have already created (thus
without my ugly mug appearing in them either hah, perfect!)

to this effect, have thus just spent a couple of hours researching
some
post-production video companies who can professionally compile a
standard
dvd from the videos have already made (they're all 720p dvd quality so >>>> this shouldn't be a problem) each single video being a chapter on the
dvd
+ with several bonus videos to-boot...

why? because not everyone who might be interested goes to youtube &
facebook or knows to look for them there, so in dvd format would
likely
sell some copies via amazon and other places including my own site &
ebay
for example... can make a package of it to maybe even include some
text
files have personally written on the subject + maybe even include a
copy
of the ebook too, why not...

it apparently costs about £3 per copy to produce an actual dvd
including
the plastic box and paper cover inserts etc etc once have designed and >>>> printed them up, so could easily sell for £9.99, cheaper if taken as a >>>> download from my site (there's no production costs whatsoever for
downloads after the original file has been produced)

and then, once that's all been put together, could even then upload it >>>> (as
an online course) on that same academy website and let them promote it >>>> for
a commission as well hah, lol wont robert & Co be surprised! :)))

totally undercutting their otherwise huge charges, of course lol :D

they wanna charge $150 for their old dildo-courses? i'll only charge
9.99
for the full package including a copy of the book as well LOL ! (beat
that)

coz i tell ya, they've all been ripping people off on a grand scale
until
now and am gonna put an end to all that hah! (will defo enjoy doin'
that
hehe)

and b'coz am telling ya: WILDs are dope maan, and it ain't gonna cost
people fuck all compared to how they's been being milked until now
heh,
am
gonna make sure of that...

ok move over peeps, WILDs are coming through! WILDs are comin'
through!

it's time to storm the citadel haha ;)

(the audio-book format is also due out in a couple of months as well,
cool) :)

Look I don't care what subject matter the video will be, in principle,
it would be a good idea to keep correspondence with him and not reveal
your intentions until:

1. You have some indication from Waggoner of *his* intentions;
and

2. You have sufficient data from your own investigations
(monetising your ideas) to compare with (1) above.

That's called a plan. I call it generic common sense.

And, Slider, you will SELL much more and REACH a wider audience if you
put a head to the talking bits, whatever medium those bits be - video,
photographic, book cover, whatever.

As I said, you're not Banksy - there isn't a mystique about you - yet.

I'm open for advice. At the sweet spot in one of my careers, late
last century, my hourly billing rate was well over $400AUD.
Cognitively, there is no decline except for slower recall of memories.
Unlike our "Iran war" debacle, I won't bill you lol

Of course, the spanner in the works here could be that Waggoner is
reading the posts here. In that case, (1) and (2) above are fucked.

### - it's never been my way to do things conventionally and have more
or
less lived my whole life to date in such manner, so methinks that wont
now
be getting changed any time soon heh...

Good for you.

and, as chris astutely observed one time: have actually gone to
considerable lengths to 'avoid' creating a cult outta all this, rather
the
opposite actually in that, if anything, it clearly fosters intense
individuality... and so deliberately avoiding it inadvertently being
turned into some kinda 'personality' cult along the way (as the world in
its madness is habitually wont to do) was, and still is, a clear part of
all this... it's gots nada whatsoever to do with moi deliberately
creating
some kinda mystique (iow: it doesn't matter 'whose' damn finger is
pointing at the moon: look at the 'moon' dammit and not the finger doing
the pointing, simples...)

So what has that got to do with what I suggested above?

### - you were going-on about showing my face and am justifying not doing
so based on my deliberately avoiding any kind of personality cult
inadvertently forming around 'me' as a person instead of focusing on the technique itself, in that sense you want to emphasise the finger instead
of what it's pointing at... and that was the point, said/described in my
own particular way to as to avoid confusion... why you should become
confused over such a simple explanation has me wondering how much you've
been drinking today? or if it's weed then i defo want some! (laffing)

iow: it doesn't matter one iota (even to 280 trillion decimal places
heh)
'who' i am or wtf i look like, NONE of that's got ANYTHING whatsoever to
do with people's INNATE ability to WILD! and THAT'S what am quite
deliberately + clearly emphasising :)

That's not the point at all. People like to associate faces with what
they read or watch. You once tried to fly a cam site which has
nothing to do with dreaming or sleeping or whatever. Therefore, you
floated that cam site purely to make money. My suggestion, tried and
tested by me over decades of successful business enterprises, was to
try to find out what the other guy (Waggoner) wanted your video etc
for. My suggestion was purely commercial, just like your venture with
the cam site was purely commercial.

### - what you said was completely understood, everything you said made
logical sense, so why can't you understand my simple enough explanation of
why me (or my face) isn't important and why am stating that? everything
might be about making 'money' to you but it's not to moi, am only
personally interested in people hearing about it and them learning to
WILD, it's something am giving to the world, the only need i have for
money besides my personal living expenses (all of which are already
covered) is perhaps the extra cash to apply advertising in order to speed
up the process of people hearing about it outside of facebook (have given
away far more copies than i've sold for example) - people liking to
associate faces etc is THEIR problem not mine, and to them i say: don't
worry whom the finger belongs to that's pointing, look instead at what's
being pointed at! the rest is unimportant... people are easily confused so
i *refuse* to make this about 'me' (seems pretty simples to moi heh: am
not giving them a multiple choice, end of.)

that if, for example, they ever (smile) erect a statue to old slider
some
day (an idea that laughingly harks back to a fortune cookie) it will
have
to be by necessity a statue with a blank face, or a generic one then
that
represent everyone on the planet, and not the image of just some lucky
fucker who just so happened to stumble over the importance of WILDs
while
he was actually trying to accomplish something else heh...

You're waffling.

### - here am merely further qualifying why am not interested in allowing people a multiple choice, perforce which wont make much sense if you don't remember the hilarious fortune-cookie incident (now 'that' was funny lol)

i do like him, but if Robert (and/or others) ever want to promote WILDs
too for whatever purposes (usually money/personal gain etc) then let
THEM
learn how to do it 'themselves' and then write about THEIR discoveries,
particularly if it should confirm/debunk my already documented results,
coz afaic we're totally done with cults on this planet, the disastrous
age
of cults is over and it's time for everyone to stand the fuck up on
their
OWN 2 legs and walk dammit, or even crawl if'n ya have to coz that's
still
better-er than nada, see?

What the heck do you have against your face? Do you have a criminal
record or something and are worried you might be recognised? You can
make LUCRE out of this if Waggoner has some bright ideas.

### - but have already explained this to you twice now??

have nada against my 'face', am against offering people a multiple choice
which can only dilute their decision (some would go for the technique,
others for the person telling them about it, remove the personage and then
they only gots the one choice: that which the finger is pointing at! ;)

i.e., figuratively speaking: the 'dawning' of the 'age of Aquarius' has
passed, this is now Aquarius itself and things are gonna start being
quite
different, humanity's universal ability to WILD being only a starter for
10 in that direction. ;)

What??

### - ahaha you really make me laff sometimes thang hehehe... here am
merely stepping-up my qualification (in 'figurative' terms) of why am
doing what am doing + why... i.e., am basically saying/suggesting that
this dreaming business is afaic all to do with humanity potentially
advancing into a new age/mind-set (the legendary age of aquarius bs,
surely you've heard of that no? slider starts singing that famous song
from the (controversial in it time) musical 'Hair': la la la: this is the dawning of the age of aquarius, the age of aquarius yeah... aquariussssss, aquariusssss...(really laffing haha, you're a bit slow on the uptake
sometimes even when it's spelled out for ya)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjxSCAalsBE

(a statue with a blank face? where did that come from haha, but yeah i
likes that idea heh...)

Goodness, you DO go on.

### - only seems so if you weren't following my reasoning (which you
obviously aren't) else you'd have caught the total humour involved...

i.e., 'a statue with a blank face' is (or could be) Art... coz it makes a statement in connection with what am going-on about...

something maybe banksy might have even come up with, get it??

(you really need to analyse all of the above again piecemeal, each further qualification lifting the whole thing up another level towards the
metaphysical & thus the poetical)

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From: libertidad@south.south.com

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 12:02:36 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 11:06:59 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com> >wrote:

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 05:45:29 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 03:17:04 +0100, o'Mahoney
<libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 18:04:20 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:59:30 +0100, o'Mahoney
<libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:27:21 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

### - this is the site that would host the video + have found out a >>>>>>> little
more about it...

https://www.awakeacademy.org/?v=79cba1185463

i.e., robert waggoner himself is apparently in-process of creating >>>>>>> some
online course that's he'll be no doubt charging some exorbitant
prices
for
(looks like on average $150 per course on here) i wouldn't receive >>>>>>> any
royalties from it though...

so i asked him for a few more details of what's involved and he's >>>>>>> just
replied:

Hi Brian,

I am working with Awake Academy on a lucid dreaming course. Part of >>>>>>> the
course will feature a section on using lucid dreams and the WILD >>>>>>> approach.

The folks at Awake Academy wonder if you would be willing to do a >>>>>>> Zoom
video with me, where you discuss the WILD lucid dream technique? >>>>>>> They
would edit the video to make it look professional.

Would you have an interest in telling your story?

***

iow: it looks like he's perhaps only really seeking my personal
expertise
and original material to just help promote 'his' new online
courses??

methinks then it would be far better to create my own online course >>>>>>> and
upload it to this site for them to promote heh, this site presumably >>>>>>> taking a percentage on any income generated via it...

so how's about i create my 'own' comprehensive online course and >>>>>>> charge
say only $10 for it lol...

and thus undercut ALL those fuckers (like charlie morley) charging >>>>>>> over
$100 for 'em???

they'd prolly all hate me haha :)))

First, ask him by email what he intends to do with the content you >>>>>> contribute, whether you have final editorial rights over it, and if >>>>>> he
intends to monetise it, what will be your percentage?

There is less honour in business than there is in war. Everyone is >>>>>> trying to make a crust, make ends meet. This guy too, undoubtedly. >>>>>>
When you have a response, kick it over here and I'll give you some >>>>>> advice. I'm thinking a contract will do the trick and I have many, >>>>>> many templates from times past...

### - ah that's prolly very good advise but am not even gonna do it at >>>>> all
thang... to my mind all the current big-wigs of lucid dreaming (the
current kings of it) are finally coming around to realising that WILDs >>>>> are
gonna be a thing and are adapting their formats accordingly in order >>>>> to
hedge their bets... charley morley, for example, was already offering >>>>> stuff about WILDs but only all the vague old-school techniques that no >>>>> one
liked involving sleep paralysis and other completely unnecessary shit >>>>> that's ultimately given WILDs a bad rep as being somehow too difficult >>>>> for
beginners etc, and this with a heavy emphasis on the wake back to bed >>>>> method to-boot, all now made totally redundant by the advent of
WILDing
via hypnagogia alone on demand (so how cool is that heh, plus have
obviously made a small dent in the community over the last 5 years
then
heh)

robert waggoner having now provided me with the perfect excuse to let >>>>> him
down gently, i.e., can say am currently involved in creating my own
online
courses, quite possibly using the videos have already created (thus
without my ugly mug appearing in them either hah, perfect!)

to this effect, have thus just spent a couple of hours researching
some
post-production video companies who can professionally compile a
standard
dvd from the videos have already made (they're all 720p dvd quality so >>>>> this shouldn't be a problem) each single video being a chapter on the >>>>> dvd
+ with several bonus videos to-boot...

why? because not everyone who might be interested goes to youtube &
facebook or knows to look for them there, so in dvd format would
likely
sell some copies via amazon and other places including my own site & >>>>> ebay
for example... can make a package of it to maybe even include some
text
files have personally written on the subject + maybe even include a
copy
of the ebook too, why not...

it apparently costs about £3 per copy to produce an actual dvd
including
the plastic box and paper cover inserts etc etc once have designed and >>>>> printed them up, so could easily sell for £9.99, cheaper if taken as a >>>>> download from my site (there's no production costs whatsoever for
downloads after the original file has been produced)

and then, once that's all been put together, could even then upload it >>>>> (as
an online course) on that same academy website and let them promote it >>>>> for
a commission as well hah, lol wont robert & Co be surprised! :)))

totally undercutting their otherwise huge charges, of course lol :D

they wanna charge $150 for their old dildo-courses? i'll only charge >>>>> 9.99
for the full package including a copy of the book as well LOL ! (beat >>>>> that)

coz i tell ya, they've all been ripping people off on a grand scale
until
now and am gonna put an end to all that hah! (will defo enjoy doin'
that
hehe)

and b'coz am telling ya: WILDs are dope maan, and it ain't gonna cost >>>>> people fuck all compared to how they's been being milked until now
heh,
am
gonna make sure of that...

ok move over peeps, WILDs are coming through! WILDs are comin'
through!

it's time to storm the citadel haha ;)

(the audio-book format is also due out in a couple of months as well, >>>>> cool) :)

Look I don't care what subject matter the video will be, in principle, >>>> it would be a good idea to keep correspondence with him and not reveal >>>> your intentions until:

1. You have some indication from Waggoner of *his* intentions;
and

2. You have sufficient data from your own investigations
(monetising your ideas) to compare with (1) above.

That's called a plan. I call it generic common sense.

And, Slider, you will SELL much more and REACH a wider audience if you >>>> put a head to the talking bits, whatever medium those bits be - video, >>>> photographic, book cover, whatever.

As I said, you're not Banksy - there isn't a mystique about you - yet. >>>>
I'm open for advice. At the sweet spot in one of my careers, late
last century, my hourly billing rate was well over $400AUD.
Cognitively, there is no decline except for slower recall of memories. >>>> Unlike our "Iran war" debacle, I won't bill you lol

Of course, the spanner in the works here could be that Waggoner is
reading the posts here. In that case, (1) and (2) above are fucked.

### - it's never been my way to do things conventionally and have more
or
less lived my whole life to date in such manner, so methinks that wont
now
be getting changed any time soon heh...

Good for you.

and, as chris astutely observed one time: have actually gone to
considerable lengths to 'avoid' creating a cult outta all this, rather
the
opposite actually in that, if anything, it clearly fosters intense
individuality... and so deliberately avoiding it inadvertently being
turned into some kinda 'personality' cult along the way (as the world in >>> its madness is habitually wont to do) was, and still is, a clear part of >>> all this... it's gots nada whatsoever to do with moi deliberately
creating
some kinda mystique (iow: it doesn't matter 'whose' damn finger is
pointing at the moon: look at the 'moon' dammit and not the finger doing >>> the pointing, simples...)

So what has that got to do with what I suggested above?

### - you were going-on about showing my face and am justifying not doing
so based on my deliberately avoiding any kind of personality cult >inadvertently forming around 'me' as a person instead of focusing on the >technique itself, in that sense you want to emphasise the finger instead
of what it's pointing at... and that was the point, said/described in my
own particular way to as to avoid confusion... why you should become
confused over such a simple explanation has me wondering how much you've
been drinking today? or if it's weed then i defo want some! (laffing)

Are you having an episode? Here's what I wrote (or read above in this
thread):

"Look I don't care what subject matter the video will be, in
principle, it would be a good idea to keep correspondence with him and
not reveal your intentions until:

1. You have some indication from Waggoner of *his* intentions;
and

2. You have sufficient data from your own
investigations(monetising your ideas) to compare with (1) above.

That's called a plan. I call it generic common sense.
And, Slider, you will SELL much more and REACH a wider audience if
you put a head to the talking bits, whatever medium those bits be -
video, photographic, book cover, whatever.

As I said, you're not Banksy - there isn't a mystique about you -
yet.

I'm open for advice. At the sweet spot in one of my careers, late
last century, my hourly billing rate was well over $400AUD.
Cognitively, there is no decline except for slower recall of
memories.
Unlike our "Iran war" debacle, I won't bill you lol

Of course, the spanner in the works here could be that Waggoner is
reading the posts here. In that case, (1) and (2) above are fucked"

Now YOU interpret this to mean - "you were going-on about showing my
face and am justifying not doing so based on my deliberately avoiding
any kind of personality cult inadvertently forming around 'me' as a
person instead of focusing on the technique itself, in that sense you
want to emphasise the finger instead of what it's pointing at... and
that was the point, said/described in my own particular way to as to
avoid confusion... why you should become confused over such a simple explanation has me wondering how much you've been drinking today? or
if it's weed then i defo want some! (laffing)"

Brian you are fucking CRAZY. My advice was simple business advice. How
the hell can you elicit this hogwash from the few lines I posted which
I did for YOUR benefit. No wonder you have so many fucking enemies.

iow: it doesn't matter one iota (even to 280 trillion decimal places
heh)
'who' i am or wtf i look like, NONE of that's got ANYTHING whatsoever to >>> do with people's INNATE ability to WILD! and THAT'S what am quite
deliberately + clearly emphasising :)

That's not the point at all. People like to associate faces with what
they read or watch. You once tried to fly a cam site which has
nothing to do with dreaming or sleeping or whatever. Therefore, you
floated that cam site purely to make money. My suggestion, tried and
tested by me over decades of successful business enterprises, was to
try to find out what the other guy (Waggoner) wanted your video etc
for. My suggestion was purely commercial, just like your venture with
the cam site was purely commercial.

### - what you said was completely understood, everything you said made >logical sense, so why can't you understand my simple enough explanation of >why me (or my face) isn't important and why am stating that? everything
might be about making 'money' to you but it's not to moi, am only
personally interested in people hearing about it and them learning to
WILD, it's something am giving to the world, the only need i have for
money besides my personal living expenses (all of which are already
covered) is perhaps the extra cash to apply advertising in order to speed
up the process of people hearing about it outside of facebook (have given >away far more copies than i've sold for example) - people liking to
associate faces etc is THEIR problem not mine, and to them i say: don't
worry whom the finger belongs to that's pointing, look instead at what's >being pointed at! the rest is unimportant... people are easily confused so
i *refuse* to make this about 'me' (seems pretty simples to moi heh: am
not giving them a multiple choice, end of.)

I was talking about Waggoner's motivation. I offered some advice. You
yourself said earlier that most people's motivation is financial, and
it is, no doubt. Now you tell me to stick my advice up my arse more
or less.

Fuck you. No wonder you're by yourself. You are fucking crazy.

that if, for example, they ever (smile) erect a statue to old slider
some
day (an idea that laughingly harks back to a fortune cookie) it will
have
to be by necessity a statue with a blank face, or a generic one then
that
represent everyone on the planet, and not the image of just some lucky
fucker who just so happened to stumble over the importance of WILDs
while
he was actually trying to accomplish something else heh...

You're waffling.

### - here am merely further qualifying why am not interested in allowing >people a multiple choice, perforce which wont make much sense if you don't >remember the hilarious fortune-cookie incident (now 'that' was funny lol)

i do like him, but if Robert (and/or others) ever want to promote WILDs
too for whatever purposes (usually money/personal gain etc) then let
THEM
learn how to do it 'themselves' and then write about THEIR discoveries,
particularly if it should confirm/debunk my already documented results,
coz afaic we're totally done with cults on this planet, the disastrous
age
of cults is over and it's time for everyone to stand the fuck up on
their
OWN 2 legs and walk dammit, or even crawl if'n ya have to coz that's
still
better-er than nada, see?

[continued in next message]

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From: slider@anashram.com

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:06:07 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com> wrote:

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 12:02:36 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 11:06:59 +0100, o'Mahoney
<libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 05:45:29 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 03:17:04 +0100, o'Mahoney
<libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 18:04:20 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:59:30 +0100, o'Mahoney
<libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:27:21 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

### - this is the site that would host the video + have found out >>>>>>>> a
little
more about it...

https://www.awakeacademy.org/?v=79cba1185463

i.e., robert waggoner himself is apparently in-process of creating >>>>>>>> some
online course that's he'll be no doubt charging some exorbitant >>>>>>>> prices
for
(looks like on average $150 per course on here) i wouldn't receive >>>>>>>> any
royalties from it though...

so i asked him for a few more details of what's involved and he's >>>>>>>> just
replied:

Hi Brian,

I am working with Awake Academy on a lucid dreaming course. Part >>>>>>>> of
the
course will feature a section on using lucid dreams and the WILD >>>>>>>> approach.

The folks at Awake Academy wonder if you would be willing to do a >>>>>>>> Zoom
video with me, where you discuss the WILD lucid dream technique? >>>>>>>> They
would edit the video to make it look professional.

Would you have an interest in telling your story?

***

iow: it looks like he's perhaps only really seeking my personal >>>>>>>> expertise
and original material to just help promote 'his' new online
courses??

methinks then it would be far better to create my own online
course
and
upload it to this site for them to promote heh, this site
presumably
taking a percentage on any income generated via it...

so how's about i create my 'own' comprehensive online course and >>>>>>>> charge
say only $10 for it lol...

and thus undercut ALL those fuckers (like charlie morley) charging >>>>>>>> over
$100 for 'em???

they'd prolly all hate me haha :)))

First, ask him by email what he intends to do with the content you >>>>>>> contribute, whether you have final editorial rights over it, and if >>>>>>> he
intends to monetise it, what will be your percentage?

There is less honour in business than there is in war. Everyone is >>>>>>> trying to make a crust, make ends meet. This guy too, undoubtedly. >>>>>>>
When you have a response, kick it over here and I'll give you some >>>>>>> advice. I'm thinking a contract will do the trick and I have many, >>>>>>> many templates from times past...

### - ah that's prolly very good advise but am not even gonna do it >>>>>> at
all
thang... to my mind all the current big-wigs of lucid dreaming (the >>>>>> current kings of it) are finally coming around to realising that
WILDs
are
gonna be a thing and are adapting their formats accordingly in order >>>>>> to
hedge their bets... charley morley, for example, was already
offering
stuff about WILDs but only all the vague old-school techniques that >>>>>> no
one
liked involving sleep paralysis and other completely unnecessary
shit
that's ultimately given WILDs a bad rep as being somehow too
difficult
for
beginners etc, and this with a heavy emphasis on the wake back to
bed
method to-boot, all now made totally redundant by the advent of
WILDing
via hypnagogia alone on demand (so how cool is that heh, plus have >>>>>> obviously made a small dent in the community over the last 5 years >>>>>> then
heh)

robert waggoner having now provided me with the perfect excuse to
let
him
down gently, i.e., can say am currently involved in creating my own >>>>>> online
courses, quite possibly using the videos have already created (thus >>>>>> without my ugly mug appearing in them either hah, perfect!)

to this effect, have thus just spent a couple of hours researching >>>>>> some
post-production video companies who can professionally compile a
standard
dvd from the videos have already made (they're all 720p dvd quality >>>>>> so
this shouldn't be a problem) each single video being a chapter on
the
dvd
+ with several bonus videos to-boot...

why? because not everyone who might be interested goes to youtube & >>>>>> facebook or knows to look for them there, so in dvd format would
likely
sell some copies via amazon and other places including my own site & >>>>>> ebay
for example... can make a package of it to maybe even include some >>>>>> text
files have personally written on the subject + maybe even include a >>>>>> copy
of the ebook too, why not...

it apparently costs about £3 per copy to produce an actual dvd
including
the plastic box and paper cover inserts etc etc once have designed >>>>>> and
printed them up, so could easily sell for £9.99, cheaper if taken
as a
download from my site (there's no production costs whatsoever for
downloads after the original file has been produced)

and then, once that's all been put together, could even then upload >>>>>> it
(as
an online course) on that same academy website and let them promote >>>>>> it
for
a commission as well hah, lol wont robert & Co be surprised! :)))

totally undercutting their otherwise huge charges, of course lol :D >>>>>>
they wanna charge $150 for their old dildo-courses? i'll only charge >>>>>> 9.99
for the full package including a copy of the book as well LOL !
(beat
that)

coz i tell ya, they've all been ripping people off on a grand scale >>>>>> until
now and am gonna put an end to all that hah! (will defo enjoy doin' >>>>>> that
hehe)

and b'coz am telling ya: WILDs are dope maan, and it ain't gonna
cost
people fuck all compared to how they's been being milked until now >>>>>> heh,
am
gonna make sure of that...

ok move over peeps, WILDs are coming through! WILDs are comin'
through!

it's time to storm the citadel haha ;)

(the audio-book format is also due out in a couple of months as
well,
cool) :)

Look I don't care what subject matter the video will be, in
principle,
it would be a good idea to keep correspondence with him and not
reveal
your intentions until:

1. You have some indication from Waggoner of *his* intentions; >>>>> and

2. You have sufficient data from your own investigations
(monetising your ideas) to compare with (1) above.

That's called a plan. I call it generic common sense.

And, Slider, you will SELL much more and REACH a wider audience if
you
put a head to the talking bits, whatever medium those bits be -
video,
photographic, book cover, whatever.

As I said, you're not Banksy - there isn't a mystique about you -
yet.

I'm open for advice. At the sweet spot in one of my careers, late
last century, my hourly billing rate was well over $400AUD.
Cognitively, there is no decline except for slower recall of
memories.
Unlike our "Iran war" debacle, I won't bill you lol

Of course, the spanner in the works here could be that Waggoner is
reading the posts here. In that case, (1) and (2) above are fucked.

### - it's never been my way to do things conventionally and have more >>>> or
less lived my whole life to date in such manner, so methinks that wont >>>> now
be getting changed any time soon heh...

Good for you.

and, as chris astutely observed one time: have actually gone to
considerable lengths to 'avoid' creating a cult outta all this, rather >>>> the
opposite actually in that, if anything, it clearly fosters intense
individuality... and so deliberately avoiding it inadvertently being
turned into some kinda 'personality' cult along the way (as the world
in
its madness is habitually wont to do) was, and still is, a clear part
of
all this... it's gots nada whatsoever to do with moi deliberately
creating
some kinda mystique (iow: it doesn't matter 'whose' damn finger is
pointing at the moon: look at the 'moon' dammit and not the finger
doing
the pointing, simples...)

So what has that got to do with what I suggested above?

### - you were going-on about showing my face and am justifying not
doing
so based on my deliberately avoiding any kind of personality cult
inadvertently forming around 'me' as a person instead of focusing on the
technique itself, in that sense you want to emphasise the finger instead
of what it's pointing at... and that was the point, said/described in my
own particular way to as to avoid confusion... why you should become
confused over such a simple explanation has me wondering how much you've
been drinking today? or if it's weed then i defo want some! (laffing)

Are you having an episode? Here's what I wrote (or read above in this thread):

"Look I don't care what subject matter the video will be, in
principle, it would be a good idea to keep correspondence with him and
not reveal your intentions until:

1. You have some indication from Waggoner of *his* intentions;
and

2. You have sufficient data from your own
investigations(monetising your ideas) to compare with (1) above.

That's called a plan. I call it generic common sense.
And, Slider, you will SELL much more and REACH a wider audience if
you put a head to the talking bits, whatever medium those bits be -
video, photographic, book cover, whatever.

As I said, you're not Banksy - there isn't a mystique about you -
yet.

I'm open for advice. At the sweet spot in one of my careers, late
last century, my hourly billing rate was well over $400AUD.
Cognitively, there is no decline except for slower recall of
memories.
Unlike our "Iran war" debacle, I won't bill you lol

Of course, the spanner in the works here could be that Waggoner is
reading the posts here. In that case, (1) and (2) above are fucked"

Now YOU interpret this to mean - "you were going-on about showing my
face and am justifying not doing so based on my deliberately avoiding
any kind of personality cult inadvertently forming around 'me' as a
person instead of focusing on the technique itself, in that sense you
want to emphasise the finger instead of what it's pointing at... and
that was the point, said/described in my own particular way to as to
avoid confusion... why you should become confused over such a simple explanation has me wondering how much you've been drinking today? or
if it's weed then i defo want some! (laffing)"

Brian you are fucking CRAZY. My advice was simple business advice. How
the hell can you elicit this hogwash from the few lines I posted which
I did for YOUR benefit. No wonder you have so many fucking enemies.

### - i understood ALL that (and more) and replied accordingly that: 'i
wont be doing that' and then 'justified' my decision with a long (plus hopefully amusing) explanation which you STILL don't seem to understand??
(work it out yourself thang coz am NOT explaining it again lol)

iow: it doesn't matter one iota (even to 280 trillion decimal places
heh)
'who' i am or wtf i look like, NONE of that's got ANYTHING whatsoever
to
do with people's INNATE ability to WILD! and THAT'S what am quite
deliberately + clearly emphasising :)

That's not the point at all. People like to associate faces with what
they read or watch. You once tried to fly a cam site which has
nothing to do with dreaming or sleeping or whatever. Therefore, you
floated that cam site purely to make money. My suggestion, tried and
tested by me over decades of successful business enterprises, was to
try to find out what the other guy (Waggoner) wanted your video etc
for. My suggestion was purely commercial, just like your venture with
the cam site was purely commercial.

### - what you said was completely understood, everything you said made
logical sense, so why can't you understand my simple enough explanation
of
why me (or my face) isn't important and why am stating that? everything
might be about making 'money' to you but it's not to moi, am only
personally interested in people hearing about it and them learning to
WILD, it's something am giving to the world, the only need i have for
money besides my personal living expenses (all of which are already
covered) is perhaps the extra cash to apply advertising in order to
speed
up the process of people hearing about it outside of facebook (have
given
away far more copies than i've sold for example) - people liking to
associate faces etc is THEIR problem not mine, and to them i say: don't
worry whom the finger belongs to that's pointing, look instead at what's
being pointed at! the rest is unimportant... people are easily confused
so
i *refuse* to make this about 'me' (seems pretty simples to moi heh: am
not giving them a multiple choice, end of.)

I was talking about Waggoner's motivation. I offered some advice. You yourself said earlier that most people's motivation is financial, and
it is, no doubt. Now you tell me to stick my advice up my arse more
or less.

Fuck you. No wonder you're by yourself. You are fucking crazy.

### - no, that's completely wrong haha :)))

i totally understood what you said about waggoner and about plans etc,
totally!

but rejected it, not because am tellin' ya to stick your advice (which am
sure is very good advice) but because it runs contrary to what am

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