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That's a complex value assignment that could be argued a thousand
different ways. Your opinion is well founded but there are many opinions.
I choose not to have one there with the understanding that it's an
open question. The info system we live in shuts of missile silos
worldwide to remind humans worldwide the eternal and the infinite
are the sea upon which the cosmos(info pattern) is sailing.

### - he'd never have formulated/given it to them on a plate otherwise,
the nazis were in a race to obtain it and would have definitely used it to bomb america into submission, america being just too far away to invade otherwise...

I can see that as a possible sequence that was in play.
In the end the geometry of the cosmos settled on America
as Hero V. Villain narrative primacy. America got the bomb
and the genie made its appearance.

and it changed him! here was a man who could
examine things right down to an atomic level for detail, and loved doing >> it! but then had cause to cast that same piercing eye over the state of
humanity only to be in for a few more shocks?

He fell prey to the idea of "Celebrity Scientist."
Still to this day no can describe the basics of The Electron.
Maybe decoding that riddle was his destiny but he fought it off
with self annihilation.

### - i dunno if that's totally correct, the world made a celebrity of him because of his novel ideas

Not knocking him down, just saying I don't want to be him.
In a triad of ideas Einstein-Bohm-Bohr.
He (Bohm) preaches the middle road. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI66ZglzcO0&t=1361s
The whole things worth watching time permitting.

Oppenheimer too, who
completed that task, found himself quoting from the hindu bible when he
let that first one off,

In the underlying medium you can't make the same exact mistake twice.
After the second nuclear weapon was used the info system adjusted strategy.

and then stood aghast at what he'd let loose on
the world ("I am become death. The destroyer of worlds" etc...)
scientist
that he was he liked poetry, much to the chagrin of his then peers, one >> of
which even asked him why he even bothered with all that 'stuff'

It was his proudest moment.
A psychopath celebrating the dawn of efficient mass murder.
He could look at Hitler as a little boy in short pants ever afterward.
It's always about ego when self trys to posess control and destroy other.

### - but he wasn't psychopathic, his avid interest in poetry belying this...

I could rhetorically make spaghetti out of that statement.
But in the interest of polite conversation I'll restrain myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPeHO1r8paU

I consider each of my poems to be a glorious moment of intellectual
death as the animal and human within struggle to transcend truth
and start again free from both the shackles of Eden & Paradise.
Life and death sneered at as the upstart imposters they are :-0

unfortunately, humanity's insane! they've departed from the ways of
nature
& the universe and created their very own little crazy world! they're >> >> delusional!

Were passing laws permitting babies to be killed right up till
birth.

### - excuse my cynicism, but why not? we start killing 'em right from >> the
moment of birth in one way or another anyway! screw 'em up, drive them
insane & then put 'em to work down the dreary mines in one form or
another! life seems to be cheap in wallyworld? valueless! except in
terms
of what you can personally produce for the machine?? there's only one
possible route for humanity's survival: Art over science, not science
over
Art

Maybe it's all an equation and people are killing people for reasons
they have no hope of grasping. Mass murder is becoming quite popular again.
It's a sign of the times. Self believing it can kill other without killing self.

### - insanity is insanity, the result of an unbalanced pov... (i don't think schizophrenia is actually insanity for example, and is more likely the 'uninvited' intrusion of a waking dream state upon normal perception, to the point it deranges the person concerned through terror & fear + a bunch of personality-altering drugs they currently use to attenuate/bludgeon its effects, a chemical cosh literally...)

Insanity has many synonyms, I think if forced to choose I would
select Chaos as a hub and build a wheel with 5-16 spokes.
Sometimes destruction, like black holes, is the only option left.

they could step outside of all that and live more in-harmony
with the world but they don't! instead they're living in a
self-conceptualised 'pat-version' of it! (there's yer' proverbial

ship

of
fools right there! sailed by madmen! the ss-wallyworld!) which would >> be
funny if it wasn't quite so tragic?

That's where zen steps in.
Change what can be changed and don't self annihilate on lost causes.

### - change what can be changed... can humanity's currently serious
insanity be changed?

It changes constantly, that's the nature of mass psychosis.
Can humanity heal itself and proceed to a more robust noble future?
Only by taking responsibility and freedom as fundamental partners.
Managing cause and effect in a sane rationale way starting with the
simple things and evolving to elegant solutions.

### - but that's what i was saying? that all their elegant solutions so
far have only actually fucked everything up?

We're in a kindergarten, with very few teachers, janitors, cooks and
school bus drivers. A place like "Lord of The Flies" where devolution
is celebrated. How many died in the 20th century. A computational debt.
The idea of consensus never being reached and civilization paralyzed
by constant analysis of the same tangled heap of ideas.

If one member of humanity escapes or survives then humanity has served
its purpose. Not every turtle that hatches makes it across the beach
and enters the sea. Some do, but not from worrying about the other turtles.

### - it 'is' possible that humanity will never grow up en-mass, that all the rest are only there to ensure the continued survival of these occasional rare blooms and is their function, a bit like a huge bush composed of many twigs & leaves which are ultimately only there to support the few flowers & seeds that it then produces...

I came to see it that way in the context of their are many
worlds and this one is for the brains who cannot build "A Mind"
The mind is the structure, the brain a forest of raw materials.

nature producing only
ever just enough to ensure its continued survival minimally as in only one or 2 turtles out of every 200 ever returning to repeat the process

Most likely true, unless some idea or form unthought of as yet
appears and changes the basic dynamic.

(a

rather shocking/disturbing idea if one considers just how 'many' human beings it has to then produce in order to produce those very few blooms...)

It's about tapping into the totality of existence so as not to get
pinned down and trapped into a position where:
ID Ego Superego
Past Present Future
Pilot Captain Navigator

Don't team up two verses one destroy each other.
The healthy Ego Present Captain as middle bridge most susceptible
to being overcome by the reflections, echos and faulty dissonance.

An argument you know as fluidity, the container and the water in agreement.

one would like to think so, and because where one man can go another can >> go also, and 'many' have successfully made the trip!

i don't think we've got the 'luxury' of millions of years as a buffer,
something far more 'immediate' is required just to stop them
disappearing
up their own dirtbox in the very near future? the 'whole-thing' is
top-heavy, and any previous civilisation that did that eventually
toppled
(we're approximately the 23rd civilisation to have arisen, the previous >> 22
all fell...)

The gear for "Exodus" is installed.
The "Evidence Paradox" at its most convincing deployment.
Here's a riddle: Who Is Who." verses "Who Is They."

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=Ks9QXO_5G6rIjwTm157gAw&q=hillary+they+were+never+going+to+let+me+be+president&btnK=Google+Search&oq=hillary+they+were+never+going+to+let+me+be+president&gs_l=psy-ab.3...7449.38154..39294...0.0..0.559.8293.

4j47j2j5-3......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..0j0i131j0i10j0i22i10i30j0i22i30j33i22i29i30j33i299j33i160.-MgnquCHRdk

Answer in context
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_refereed_game

Three referees and one umpire.
At the highest levels of power this is all understood.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/12/photogalleries/101228-sun-end-year-analemmas-solstice-eclipse-pictures/#/year-in-picture-analemma-sun-path-spain_30691_600x450.jpg

that if we don't get our act together in say the next 500 to 1000 years >> we
wont be going anywhere!

I believe things shall change dramatically on 07/07/19
That is the forty year mark since long range transportation was installed.
Point to point travel, inhabitation and commerce throughout this cosmos. Yet: just a bunch of turtles hatching and returning to their home environ.

### - nice image... although imho (and observation) we've got a damn long way to go to be fit for such an endeavor, lest all we export to other planets is all our own current shit & rubbish which is screwing everything up, including the entire eco-system that gave-rise to us in the first place...

we need inner growth before we can even consider outer growth...

It is like we are in the waste water treatment plant of this
version of the cosmos. The upside to that is there are an almost
infinite number of versions. Seperated but unified by the substrata.
I think inner growth comes from realizing consciosness is primary
and the development of consciousness essential to equilibrium.

can picture buddha calmly sitting there, with the sheer chaos of
so-called
civilisation going-on all around him; everyone all frantically

climbing

all over everyone else and digging each other's eyes out & god knows
what
else to boot... and him quietly saying to them, look ya don't have

to do

all this ya know!

Or remaining silent realizing some of them can't stop clawing.
To build a mind from a human brain is the life process.
To focus on the struggle between The Eternal & The Infinite
brings balance and harmony when the chaos of now-now-now threatens.

### - he maintained that we're all already enlightened but that our heads are somewhere else and thus not in-tune with the way things really are, that humanity isn't just 'young' but is seriously deranged and besotted with strange (and often mechanical) ideas...

I can buy into that.
When we linger to long in a Something Nothing, Everything V. Anything
zone, the zone being neglected starts to creak and squeak demanding
some maintenance activity.

### - but he didn't remain silent did he? he spoke less than everyone
else
for sure but enough was known about his teachings to have remained to
this
day 2500 years later? his silence spoke volumes in that sense, he
'imparted' knowledge rather than teaching it... his basic message,
however, was that you don't 'have' to do it, that there's other options! >>

Agreed. I trust my mind to be pilot captain and navigator.
The brain is an organic three pound quantum computer.
Without a savvy user willing to develop programs(mind)
it is just a rock (skull) holding a jellyfish(brain).

### - well we've all met a few of those jellyfish in our time haven't we lol, although again, i don't really think it can all be so easily
distilled down to the 'brains' in question involved, the physical aspects being only some kinda reflection (and/or point of contact) with the all...

Soul, maybe better, but when you see someone plunge headfirst
into the abyss, sometimes it's better to not know why. A good
example was Jeremy taking politics too seriously. It's all simian
behavior exchanging grooming behaviors (virtue signaling) and
teaming up cooperatively to get fresh bananas from the top of
the tree (mob action mentality)

I'm down with Buddha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmIqIVxUuKs

Buddha-Jesus-King Arthur-Chief Massasoit-Lincoln
Is the narrative spine the boy and girl have created
through competitive gaming. So I pay my respects to it.
The girl is the illusive mastermind hiding behind the boy.
The boy is just playing along out of respect for the girl.
Sun V. Earth

### - shiva stands between vishnu and bramha and blocks the complete view...

So many Gods so few Believers what's a poor temple builder to do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHugEELD8o8

In the end, a good laugh is all they get.

there's a pregnant pause, all heads turned towards him, everyone

frozen

in
mid-thrust, gouge, parry & blow... someone says: what did he he say? >> i
dunno, something about not having to do all this or something...

yeah?

ya
mean i don't have to continue bashing this fuckers head in?? yeah,
something like that...

Jesus was clever at getting people to stop bashing each other's
heads in. So few christians play the game of consciousness with
eternity in mind and reliving their own acts of judgement over and

over.

Until they turn to stone, then dust, then ride the wind thoughtless

### - they need 'practical' knowledge today, actual steps, genuine
self-guidance as opposed to faith alone; they've 'trusted' for far too
long and been taken advantage of for it for far too long... they don't
wanna get 'fooled again'! - now we 'all' have to become jesus's! ;)

Brilliant point. Me, you and Jesus could agree on raising a toast to that.

### - in one of the lost gospels we have jc telling them not to just blindly follow him, that he's only the example of they they themselves
have to become... (clink of glasses heh)

Oh yeah very much so many times.
The idea of "all these things and so much more shall you do."
Definitely understood it's the students task to surpass the
teacher and grow and develop the entire realm of endeavors.

naaah... and everyone just goes back to diggin' each other's eyes out >> >> en-mass like there's no tomorrow lol :)

We've had some eye openers with mob violence here in the states
over the last ten days. A lot of high horse faggots eating crow after
throwing stones. The bloodlust exposed for what it is, a substitute
form of self annihilation.

### - self-mutilation... (nada sadder than a young girl harming
herself...)

Truth!

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