• Equations - Poems - Songs - Dreams [] Are They Alien Life Forms ?

    From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 20:49:25
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    One of Sliders Dopplegangers

    Professor Brian Cox is an English physicist and Professor of Particle Physics in the School of Physics and Astronomy at the University of Manchester in the UK.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wieRZoJSVtw

    Imagine Dragons - Natural
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I647GU3Jsc


    []

    Is Physical Law an Alien Intelligence?
    Alien life could be so advanced it becomes indistinguishable from physics.
    By Caleb Scharf Illustration by Tianhua Mao November 17, 2016



    Perhaps Arthur C. Clarke was being uncharacteristically unambitious. He once pointed out that any sufficiently advanced technology is going to be indistinguishable from magic. If you dropped in on a bunch of Paleolithic farmers with your iPhone and a
    pair of sneakers, you’d undoubtedly seem pretty magical. But the contrast is only middling: The farmers would still recognize you as basically like them, and before long they’d be taking selfies. But what if life has moved so far on that it doesn’t
    just appear magical, but appears like physics?

    After all, if the cosmos holds other life, and if some of that life has evolved
    beyond our own waypoints of complexity and technology, we should be considering
    some very extreme possibilities. Today’s futurists and believers in a machine
    “singularity
    predict that life and its technological baggage might end up so beyond our ken that we wouldn’t even realize we were staring at it. That’s quite a claim, yet it would neatly explain why we have yet to see advanced intelligence
    in the cosmos around
    us, despite the sheer number of planets it could have arisen on—the so-called
    Fermi Paradox.


    For example, if machines continue to grow exponentially in speed and sophistication, they will one day be able to decode the staggering complexity of the living world, from its atoms and molecules all the way up to entire planetary biomes. Presumably
    life doesn’t have to be made of atoms and molecules, but could be assembled from any set of building blocks with the requisite complexity. If so, a civilization could then transcribe itself and its entire physical realm into new forms. Indeed, perhaps
    our universe is one of the new forms into which some other civilization transcribed its world.

    These possibilities might seem wholly untestable, because part of the conceit is that sufficiently advanced life will not just be unrecognizable as such, but
    will blend completely into the fabric of what we’ve thought of as nature. But
    viewed through
    the warped bottom of a beer glass, we can pick out a few cosmic phenomena that—at crazy as it sounds—might fit the requirements.

    For example, only about 5 percent of the mass-energy of the universe consists of ordinary matter: the protons, neutrons, and electrons that we’re composed of. A much larger 27 percent is thought to be unseen, still mysterious stuff. Astronomical
    evidence for this dark, gravitating matter is convincing, albeit still not without question. Vast halos of dark matter seem to lurk around galaxies, providing mass that helps hold things together via gravity. On even larger scales, the web-like
    topography traced by luminous gas and stars also hints at unseen mass.

    Cosmologists usually assume that dark matter has no microstructure. They think it consists of subatomic particles that interact only via gravity and the weak nuclear force and therefore slump into tenuous, featureless swathes. They have arguments to
    support this point of view, but of course we don’t really know for sure. Some
    astronomers, noting subtle mismatches between observations and models, have suggested that dark matter has a richer inner life. At least some component may
    comprise particles
    that interact with one another via long-range forces. It may seem dark to us, but have its own version of light that our eyes cannot see.
    Scharf_BR_spot

    In that case, dark matter could contain real complexity, and perhaps it is where all technologically advanced life ends up or where most life has always been. What better way to escape the nasty vagaries of supernova and gamma-ray bursts than to adopt a
    form that is immune to electromagnetic radiation? Upload your world to the huge
    amount of real estate on the dark side and be done with it.

    If you’re a civilization that has learned how to encode living systems in different substrates, all you need to do is build a normal-matter-to-dark-matter data-transfer system: a dark-matter 3D printer. Perhaps the mismatch of astronomical models and
    observations is evidence not just of self-interacting dark matter, but of dark matter that is being artificially manipulated.


    Or to take this a step further, perhaps the behavior of normal cosmic matter that we attribute to dark matter is brought on by something else altogether: a living state that manipulates luminous matter for its own purposes. Consider that at present we
    have neither identified the dark-matter particles nor come up with a compelling
    alternative to our laws of physics that would account for the behavior of galaxies and clusters of galaxies. Would an explanation in terms of life be any
    less plausible than
    a failure of established laws?

    Part of the fabric of the universe is a product of intelligence.

    The universe does other funky and unexpected stuff. Notably, it began to expand
    at an accelerated rate about 5 billion years ago. This acceleration is conventionally chalked up to dark energy. But cosmologists don’t know why the
    cosmic acceleration
    began when it did. In fact, one explanation with a modicum of traction is that the timing has to do with life—an anthropic argument. The dark energy didn’t become significant until enough time had gone by for life to take hold
    on Earth. For many
    cosmologists, that means our universe must be part of a vast multiverse where the strength of dark energy varies from place to place. We live in one of the places suitable for life like us. Elsewhere, dark energy is stronger and blows the universe apart
    too quickly for cosmic structures to form and life to take root.

    But perhaps there is another reason for the timing coincidence: that dark energy is related to the activities of living things. After all, any very early
    life in the universe would have already experienced 8 billion years of evolutionary time by the time
    expansion began to accelerate. It’s a stretch, but maybe there’s something about life itself that affects the cosmos, or maybe those well-evolved denizens
    decided to tinker with the expansion.

    There are even possible motivations for that action. Life absorbs low-entropy energy (such as visible light from the sun), does useful work with that energy,
    and dumps higher-entropy energy back into the universe as waste heat. But if the surrounding
    universe ever got too warm—too filled with thermal refuse—things would stagnate. Luckily we live in an expanding and constantly cooling cosmos. What better long-term investment by some hypothetical life 5 billion years ago than to get the universe to
    cool even faster? To be sure, it may come to rue its decision: Hundreds of billions of years later the accelerating expansion would dilute matter so quickly that civilizations would run out of fresh sources of energy. Also, an accelerating universe does
    not cool forever, but eventually approaches a floor in temperature.

    One idea for the mechanism of an accelerating cosmic expansion is called quintessence, a relative of the Higgs field that permeates the cosmos. Perhaps some clever life 5 billion years ago figured out how to activate that field. How? Beats me, but it’s
    a thought-provoking idea, and it echoes some of the thinking of cosmologist Freeman Dyson’s famous 1979 paper “Time Without End,” where he looked at life’s ability in the far, far future to act on an astrophysical scale.

    Once we start proposing that life could be part of the solution to cosmic mysteries, there’s no end to the fun possibilities. Although dark-matter life
    is a pretty exotic idea, it’s still conceivable that we might recognize what it is, even capturing
    it in our labs one day (or being captured by it). We can take a tumble down a different rabbit hole by considering that we don’t recognize advanced life because it forms an integral and unsuspicious part of what we’ve considered to be the natural
    world.

    Life’s desire to avoid trouble points to some options. If it has a choice, life always looks for ways to lower its existential risk. You don’t build your nest on the weakest branch or produce trillions of single-celled clones unless you build in some
    variation and backup.

    Maybe there’s something about life itself that affects the cosmos.

    A species can mitigate risk by spreading, decentralizing, and seeding as much real estate as possible. In this context, hyper-advanced life is going to look for ways to get rid of physical locality and to maximize redundancy and flexibility. The quantum
    realm offers good options. The cosmos is already packed with electromagnetic energy. Today, at any instant, about 400 photons of cosmic microwave radiation are streaming through any cubic centimeter of free space. They collectively have less energy than
    ordinary particles such as protons and electrons, but vastly outnumber them. That’s a lot of potential data carriers. Furthermore, we could imagine that these photons are cleverly quantum-mechanically entangled to help with error control.

    By storing its essential data in photons, life could give itself a distributed backup system. And it could go further, manipulating new photons emitted by stars to dictate how they interact with matter. Fronts of electromagnetic radiation could be
    reaching across the cosmos to set in motion chains of interstellar or planetary
    chemistry with exquisite timing, exploiting wave interference and excitation energies in atoms and molecules. The science-fiction writer Stanislaw Lem put forward a similar
    idea, involving neutrinos rather than photons, in the novel His Master’s Voice.

    That’s one way that life could disappear into ordinary physics. But even these ideas skirt the most disquieting extrapolations.

    Toward the end of Carl Sagan’s 1985 science-fiction novel Contact, the protagonist follows the suggestion of an extraterrestrial to study transcendental numbers. After computing to 1020 places, she finds a clearly artificial message embedded in the
    digits of this fundamental number. In other words, part of the fabric of the universe is a product of intelligence or is perhaps even life itself.

    It’s a great mind-bending twist for a book. Perhaps hyper-advanced life isn’t just external. Perhaps it’s already all around. It is embedded in what we perceive to be physics itself, from the root behavior of particles and fields to the phenomena
    of complexity and emergence.

    In other words, life might not just be in the equations. It might be the equations.

    Caleb Scharf is an astrophysicist, the Director of Astrobiology at Columbia University in New York, and a founder of yhousenyc.org, an institute that studies human and machine consciousness. His latest book is The Copernicus Complex: Our Cosmic
    Significance in a Universe of Planets and Probabilities.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, January 31, 2019 06:37:34
    From: slider@atashram.com

    This is the triangular laser beam detector that can sense
    collision of black holes.

    https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1397&bih=859&ei=GnhSXKaQO-mzggfcnqi4Cg&q=lisa+detector&oq=lisa+dete&gs_l=img.1.0.0l2j0i8i30l4.6334.12263..16683...0.0..0.116.850.7j2....3..2....1..gws-wiz-img.....0..0i30j0i5i30.izDzamfqvRs

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_Interferometer_Space_Antenna

    ### - for every one problem science has solved they're actually created 10 more, even worse problems in the process, that'll all have to be solved
    later when science catches up?

    'if' it catches up that is, which i doubt...

    with 'friends' like science who needs enemies??

    it's the friend that stabbed us in the back!

    science is not a friend...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, January 31, 2019 06:30:42
    From: slider@atashram.com

    On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 03:49:25 -0000, LowRider44M <intraphase@gmail.com>
    wrote:


    One of Sliders Dopplegangers

    Professor Brian Cox is an English physicist and Professor of Particle
    Physics in the School of Physics and Astronomy at the University of Manchester in the UK.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wieRZoJSVtw

    Imagine Dragons - Natural
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I647GU3Jsc


    []

    Is Physical Law an Alien Intelligence?
    Alien life could be so advanced it becomes indistinguishable from
    physics.
    By Caleb Scharf Illustration by Tianhua Mao November 17, 2016



    Perhaps Arthur C. Clarke was being uncharacteristically unambitious. He
    once pointed out that any sufficiently advanced technology is going to
    be indistinguishable from magic. If you dropped in on a bunch of
    Paleolithic farmers with your iPhone and a pair of sneakers, you’d undoubtedly seem pretty magical. But the contrast is only middling: The farmers would still recognize you as basically like them, and before
    long they’d be taking selfies. But what if life has moved so far on that
    it doesn’t just appear magical, but appears like physics?

    After all, if the cosmos holds other life, and if some of that life has evolved beyond our own waypoints of complexity and technology, we should
    be considering some very extreme possibilities. Today’s futurists and believers in a machine “singularity” predict that life and its technological baggage might end up so beyond our ken that we wouldn’t
    even realize we were staring at it. That’s quite a claim, yet it would neatly explain why we have yet to see advanced intelligence in the
    cosmos around us, despite the sheer number of planets it could have
    arisen on—the so-called Fermi Paradox.


    For example, if machines continue to grow exponentially in speed and sophistication, they will one day be able to decode the staggering
    complexity of the living world, from its atoms and molecules all the way
    up to entire planetary biomes. Presumably life doesn’t have to be made
    of atoms and molecules, but could be assembled from any set of building blocks with the requisite complexity. If so, a civilization could then transcribe itself and its entire physical realm into new forms. Indeed, perhaps our universe is one of the new forms into which some other civilization transcribed its world.

    These possibilities might seem wholly untestable, because part of the
    conceit is that sufficiently advanced life will not just be
    unrecognizable as such, but will blend completely into the fabric of
    what we’ve thought of as nature. But viewed through the warped bottom of
    a beer glass, we can pick out a few cosmic phenomena that—at crazy as it sounds—might fit the requirements.

    For example, only about 5 percent of the mass-energy of the universe
    consists of ordinary matter: the protons, neutrons, and electrons that we’re composed of. A much larger 27 percent is thought to be unseen,
    still mysterious stuff. Astronomical evidence for this dark, gravitating matter is convincing, albeit still not without question. Vast halos of
    dark matter seem to lurk around galaxies, providing mass that helps hold things together via gravity. On even larger scales, the web-like
    topography traced by luminous gas and stars also hints at unseen mass.

    Cosmologists usually assume that dark matter has no microstructure. They think it consists of subatomic particles that interact only via gravity
    and the weak nuclear force and therefore slump into tenuous, featureless swathes. They have arguments to support this point of view, but of
    course we don’t really know for sure. Some astronomers, noting subtle mismatches between observations and models, have suggested that dark
    matter has a richer inner life. At least some component may comprise particles that interact with one another via long-range forces. It may
    seem dark to us, but have its own version of light that our eyes cannot
    see.
    Scharf_BR_spot

    In that case, dark matter could contain real complexity, and perhaps it
    is where all technologically advanced life ends up or where most life
    has always been. What better way to escape the nasty vagaries of
    supernova and gamma-ray bursts than to adopt a form that is immune to electromagnetic radiation? Upload your world to the huge amount of real estate on the dark side and be done with it.

    If you’re a civilization that has learned how to encode living systems
    in different substrates, all you need to do is build a normal-matter-to-dark-matter data-transfer system: a dark-matter 3D
    printer. Perhaps the mismatch of astronomical models and observations is evidence not just of self-interacting dark matter, but of dark matter
    that is being artificially manipulated.


    Or to take this a step further, perhaps the behavior of normal cosmic
    matter that we attribute to dark matter is brought on by something else altogether: a living state that manipulates luminous matter for its own purposes. Consider that at present we have neither identified the
    dark-matter particles nor come up with a compelling alternative to our
    laws of physics that would account for the behavior of galaxies and
    clusters of galaxies. Would an explanation in terms of life be any less plausible than a failure of established laws?

    Part of the fabric of the universe is a product of intelligence.

    The universe does other funky and unexpected stuff. Notably, it began to expand at an accelerated rate about 5 billion years ago. This
    acceleration is conventionally chalked up to dark energy. But
    cosmologists don’t know why the cosmic acceleration began when it did.
    In fact, one explanation with a modicum of traction is that the timing
    has to do with life—an anthropic argument. The dark energy didn’t become significant until enough time had gone by for life to take hold on
    Earth. For many cosmologists, that means our universe must be part of a
    vast multiverse where the strength of dark energy varies from place to
    place. We live in one of the places suitable for life like us.
    Elsewhere, dark energy is stronger and blows the universe apart too
    quickly for cosmic structures to form and life to take root.

    But perhaps there is another reason for the timing coincidence: that
    dark energy is related to the activities of living things. After all,
    any very early life in the universe would have already experienced 8
    billion years of evolutionary time by the time expansion began to
    accelerate. It’s a stretch, but maybe there’s something about life
    itself that affects the cosmos, or maybe those well-evolved denizens
    decided to tinker with the expansion.

    There are even possible motivations for that action. Life absorbs
    low-entropy energy (such as visible light from the sun), does useful
    work with that energy, and dumps higher-entropy energy back into the
    universe as waste heat. But if the surrounding universe ever got too warm—too filled with thermal refuse—things would stagnate. Luckily we live in an expanding and constantly cooling cosmos. What better
    long-term investment by some hypothetical life 5 billion years ago than
    to get the universe to cool even faster? To be sure, it may come to rue
    its decision: Hundreds of billions of years later the accelerating
    expansion would dilute matter so quickly that civilizations would run
    out of fresh sources of energy. Also, an accelerating universe does not
    cool forever, but eventually approaches a floor in temperature.

    One idea for the mechanism of an accelerating cosmic expansion is called quintessence, a relative of the Higgs field that permeates the cosmos. Perhaps some clever life 5 billion years ago figured out how to activate
    that field. How? Beats me, but it’s a thought-provoking idea, and it
    echoes some of the thinking of cosmologist Freeman Dyson’s famous 1979 paper “Time Without End,” where he looked at life’s ability in the far, far future to act on an astrophysical scale.

    Once we start proposing that life could be part of the solution to
    cosmic mysteries, there’s no end to the fun possibilities. Although dark-matter life is a pretty exotic idea, it’s still conceivable that we might recognize what it is, even capturing it in our labs one day (or
    being captured by it). We can take a tumble down a different rabbit hole
    by considering that we don’t recognize advanced life because it forms an integral and unsuspicious part of what we’ve considered to be the
    natural world.

    Life’s desire to avoid trouble points to some options. If it has a
    choice, life always looks for ways to lower its existential risk. You
    don’t build your nest on the weakest branch or produce trillions of single-celled clones unless you build in some variation and backup.

    Maybe there’s something about life itself that affects the cosmos.

    A species can mitigate risk by spreading, decentralizing, and seeding as
    much real estate as possible. In this context, hyper-advanced life is
    going to look for ways to get rid of physical locality and to maximize redundancy and flexibility. The quantum realm offers good options. The
    cosmos is already packed with electromagnetic energy. Today, at any
    instant, about 400 photons of cosmic microwave radiation are streaming through any cubic centimeter of free space. They collectively have less energy than ordinary particles such as protons and electrons, but vastly outnumber them. That’s a lot of potential data carriers. Furthermore, we could imagine that these photons are cleverly quantum-mechanically
    entangled to help with error control.

    By storing its essential data in photons, life could give itself a distributed backup system. And it could go further, manipulating new
    photons emitted by stars to dictate how they interact with matter.
    Fronts of electromagnetic radiation could be reaching across the cosmos
    to set in motion chains of interstellar or planetary chemistry with
    exquisite timing, exploiting wave interference and excitation energies
    in atoms and molecules. The science-fiction writer Stanislaw Lem put
    forward a similar idea, involving neutrinos rather than photons, in the
    novel His Master’s Voice.

    That’s one way that life could disappear into ordinary physics. But even these ideas skirt the most disquieting extrapolations.

    Toward the end of Carl Sagan’s 1985 science-fiction novel Contact, the protagonist follows the suggestion of an extraterrestrial to study transcendental numbers. After computing to 1020 places, she finds a
    clearly artificial message embedded in the digits of this fundamental
    number. In other words, part of the fabric of the universe is a product
    of intelligence or is perhaps even life itself.

    It’s a great mind-bending twist for a book. Perhaps hyper-advanced life isn’t just external. Perhaps it’s already all around. It is embedded in what we perceive to be physics itself, from the root behavior of
    particles and fields to the phenomena of complexity and emergence.

    In other words, life might not just be in the equations. It might be the equations.

    Caleb Scharf is an astrophysicist, the Director of Astrobiology at
    Columbia University in New York, and a founder of yhousenyc.org, an
    institute that studies human and machine consciousness. His latest book
    is The Copernicus Complex: Our Cosmic Significance in a Universe of
    Planets and Probabilities.

    ### - sci-fi? oddly enough, had an ordinary dream the other night about aliens...

    they were malevolent! and exhibited some quite nasty psychic abilities to
    boot!

    i really wouldn't look for any help there?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 21:25:56
  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to slider on Monday, March 25, 2019 08:06:38
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 12:37:49 AM UTC-5, slider wrote:
    This is the triangular laser beam detector that can sense
    collision of black holes.

    https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1397&bih=859&ei=GnhSXKaQO-mzggfcnqi4Cg&q=lisa+detector&oq=lisa+dete&gs_l=img.1.0.0l2j0i8i30l4.6334.12263..16683...0.0..0.116.850.7j2....3..2....1..gws-wiz-img.....0..0i30j0i5i30.izDzamfqvRs

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_Interferometer_Space_Antenna

    ### - for every one problem science has solved they're actually created 10 more, even worse problems in the process, that'll all have to be solved
    later when science catches up?

    'if' it catches up that is, which i doubt...

    with 'friends' like science who needs enemies??

    it's the friend that stabbed us in the back!

    science is not a friend...

    Attitudes are shifting.

    The real scientist has an open mind.

    We are on the brink of real science because
    all the wrong roads have been used up.

    I own a long range transport system.
    The lesser minds must face the cosmos
    is an equation computated by the basic fabrics
    of abstract geometry. They are two seperate things.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to intraphase@gmail.com on Tuesday, April 09, 2019 08:53:40
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 07:06:38 -0700 (PDT), LowRider44M
    <intraphase@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 12:37:49 AM UTC-5, slider wrote:
    This is the triangular laser beam detector that can sense
    collision of black holes.

    https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1397&bih=859&ei=GnhSXKaQO-mzggfcnqi4Cg&q=lisa+detector&oq=lisa+dete&gs_l=img.1.0.0l2j0i8i30l4.6334.12263..16683...0.0..0.116.850.7j2....3..2....1..gws-wiz-img.....0..0i30j0i5i30.izDzamfqvRs

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_Interferometer_Space_Antenna

    ### - for every one problem science has solved they're actually created 10 >> more, even worse problems in the process, that'll all have to be solved
    later when science catches up?

    'if' it catches up that is, which i doubt...

    with 'friends' like science who needs enemies??

    it's the friend that stabbed us in the back!

    science is not a friend...

    Attitudes are shifting.

    The real scientist has an open mind.

    We are on the brink of real science because
    all the wrong roads have been used up.

    What wrong roads? Quantum mechanics? Originated by Einstein, honed
    by Bohr and polished by Feynmann? No wrong road there, we just don't understand the *why*, but we understand the *how*.

    Classical physics? No wrong road there, it all works. Yep, can't be integrated yet with quantum mechanics, but who knows what will happen
    in the next 50 years or so.

    You, my friend, like the other three people on this board, are full of
    shit.


    I own a long range transport system.
    The lesser minds must face the cosmos
    is an equation computated by the basic fabrics
    of abstract geometry. They are two seperate things.

    Gibberish. And "seperate" s/b "separate". No linguistic or
    grammatical skill, but pretences to understanding and skill with
    higher math? Yeh, right.

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