### - "When a bunch of known corrupt people unite against
one man & spare no effort to ridicule him, blackmail him
& attempt to assassinate his character, blindly follow
that one man! --Marcus Aurelius
;)
### - "When a bunch of known corrupt people unite against
one man & spare no effort to ridicule him, blackmail him
& attempt to assassinate his character, blindly follow
that one man! --Marcus Aurelius
;)
### - "When a bunch of known corrupt people unite against
one man & spare no effort to ridicule him, blackmail him
& attempt to assassinate his character, blindly follow
that one man! --Marcus Aurelius
;)
Here's a classic overthrow Wallyworld diatribe.
Howard Beale, in the movie, NETWORK (1976):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS4aiA17YsM
"You’re beginning to believe the illusions we’re spinning here, you’re beginning to believe that the tube is reality and your own lives
are unreal. You do. Why, whatever the tube tells you: you dress like the tube, you eat like the tube, you raise your children like the tube, you
even think like the tube. This is mass madness, you maniacs.
In God’s name, you people are the real thing,
WE are the illusion.
In God’s name, you people are the real thing, WE are the illusion.”don’t
“I don’t have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It’s a depression. Everybody’s out of work or scared of losing
their job. The dollar buys a nickel’s worth, banks are going bust, shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are running wild in the street and there’s nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there’s no end to it. We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food
is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent
crimes, as if that’s the way it’s supposed to be! We know things are bad – worse than bad, They’re crazy! It’s like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don’t go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is,
‘Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won’t say anything. Just leave us alone!’ Well, I’m not gonna leave you alone! I want you to get MAD! I don’t want you to protest. I don’t want you to riot – I
want you to write to your congressman because I wouldn’t know what toBEING,
tell you to write. I don’t know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know is
that first you’ve got to get mad! You’ve got to say, “I’m a HUMAN
GODDAMNIT! My LIFE has VALUE!!” So, I want you to get up now. I want allanymore!’
of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now, and
go to the window, open it, and stick your head out and yell: “I’m as mad as hell, and I’m not going to take this anymore!!” I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out
and yell – ‘I’m as mad as hell and I’m not going to take this
Things have got to change. But first, you’ve gotta get mad!… You’ve got to say, ‘I’m as mad as hell, and I’m not going to take this anymore!’ Then we’ll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation
and the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the
window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it:
I’M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!!”
You’ve got to say, “I’m a HUMAN BEING, GODDAMNIT! My LIFE has VALUE!!
LowRider wrote...
### - "When a bunch of known corrupt people unite against
one man & spare no effort to ridicule him, blackmail him
& attempt to assassinate his character, blindly follow
that one man! --Marcus Aurelius
;)
Here's a classic overthrow Wallyworld diatribe.
Howard Beale, in the movie, NETWORK (1976):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS4aiA17YsM
"You’re beginning to believe the illusions we’re spinning here, you’re beginning to believe that the tube is reality and your own lives are unreal. You do. Why, whatever the tube tells you: you dress like the tube, you eat like the tube, you raise your children like the tube, you even think like the tube. This is mass madness, you maniacs.
In God’s name, you people are the real thing,
WE are the illusion.
areIn God’s name, you people are the real thing, WE are the illusion.”
“I don’t have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things
badbad. It’s a depression. Everybody’s out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel’s worth, banks are going bust, shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are running wild in the street and there’s nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there’s no end to it. We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that’s the way it’s supposed to be! We know things are
to– worse than bad, They’re crazy! It’s like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don’t go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly
the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, ‘Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won’t say anything. Just leave us alone!’ Well, I’m not gonna leave you alone! I want you
don’tget MAD! I don’t want you to protest. I don’t want you to riot – I
BEING,want you to write to your congressman because I wouldn’t know what to tell you to write. I don’t know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know is that first you’ve got to get mad! You’ve got to say, “I’m a HUMAN
madGODDAMNIT! My LIFE has VALUE!!” So, I want you to get up now. I want all
of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now, and go to the window, open it, and stick your head out and yell: “I’m as
as hell, and I’m not going to take this anymore!!” I want you to get up
anymore!’right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell – ‘I’m as mad as hell and I’m not going to take this
gotThings have got to change. But first, you’ve gotta get mad!… You’ve
anymore!’to say, ‘I’m as mad as hell, and I’m not going to take this
Then we’ll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the
window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it:
I’M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!!”
### - well it's been a funny 'ole day innit hehehe; and here's Art
touchin' me as well!?
('ere, get off... get off!) ahahaha :)))
You’ve got to say, “I’m a HUMAN BEING, GODDAMNIT! My LIFE has VALUE!!
don't it just...
and far more goddamnit!
:)
lives### - "When a bunch of known corrupt people unite against
one man & spare no effort to ridicule him, blackmail him
& attempt to assassinate his character, blindly follow
that one man! --Marcus Aurelius
;)
Here's a classic overthrow Wallyworld diatribe.
Howard Beale, in the movie, NETWORK (1976):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS4aiA17YsM
"You’re beginning to believe the illusions we’re spinning here,
you’re beginning to believe that the tube is reality and your own
are unreal. You do. Why, whatever the tube tells you: you dress likethe
tube, you eat like the tube, you raise your children like the tube,you
even think like the tube. This is mass madness, you maniacs.illusion.”
In God’s name, you people are the real thing,
WE are the illusion.
In God’s name, you people are the real thing, WE are the
the
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bad. It’s a depression. Everybody’s out of work or scared of losing
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shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are running wild in
street and there’s nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, andnewscaster
there’s no end to it. We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food >> > is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TVs while some local
tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violentslowly
crimes, as if that’s the way it’s supposed to be! We know things are >> bad
– worse than bad, They’re crazy! It’s like everything everywhere is >> > going crazy, so we don’t go out anymore. We sit in the house, and
the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is,anything.
‘Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my
toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won’t say
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get MAD! I don’t want you to protest. I don’t want you to riot – I >> don’t
want you to write to your congressman because I wouldn’t know what to
tell you to write. I don’t know what to do about the depression and
inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know isall
that first you’ve got to get mad! You’ve got to say, “I’m a HUMAN >> BEING,
GODDAMNIT! My LIFE has VALUE!!” So, I want you to get up now. I want
of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now,and
go to the window, open it, and stick your head out and yell: “I’m as >> madout
as hell, and I’m not going to take this anymore!!” I want you to get >> up
right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head
and yell – ‘I’m as mad as hell and I’m not going to take thisanymore!’
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to say, ‘I’m as mad as hell, and I’m not going to take this anymore!’
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window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it:
I’M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!!” >>
touchin' me as well!?
('ere, get off... get off!) ahahaha :)))
You’ve got to say, “I’m a HUMAN BEING, GODDAMNIT! My LIFE has VALUE!!
don't it just...
and far more goddamnit!
:)
Here's the world depicted in a six second video
https://i.imgur.com/HUTejar.gifv
Here's the world depicted in a six second video
https://i.imgur.com/HUTejar.gifv
### - haha... although i dunno if that's the world, aspects of it perhaps, but if that was the world then that would equally also be the universe as well no? meaning, the universe is so much bigger than that? that that's
only a little bit of it (there's lots of little different bits) rather
than defining it? a mere pimple on the face of the universe then...
how to define/allude-to the universe? hmm.... the big picture!
as an ocean maybe? vast... unfathomable... incomprehensible
thus we can only know our own tiny little bit? just the bit that's right
on our doorstep...
dammit, we're lucky if we can just know ourselves??
iow: we'll never know, can't ever know... and the bit we can know is
almost nada
and certainly not enough to start getting all confident about it!
nope, our greatest knowledge, is to know/realise is that nothing of what
we know is enough to matter
except maybe to us!
unfortunately, humanity's insane! they've departed from the ways of nature
& the universe and created their very own little crazy world! they're delusional!
they could step outside of all that and live more in-harmony
with the world but they don't! instead they're living in a self-conceptualised 'pat-version' of it! (there's yer' proverbial ship of fools right there! sailed by madmen! the ss-wallyworld!) which would be
funny if it wasn't quite so tragic?
can picture buddha calmly sitting there, with the sheer chaos of so-called civilisation going-on all around him; everyone all frantically climbing
all over everyone else and digging each other's eyes out & god knows what else to boot... and him quietly saying to them, look ya don't have to do
all this ya know!
there's a pregnant pause, all heads turned towards him, everyone frozen in mid-thrust, gouge, parry & blow... someone says: what did he he say? i
dunno, something about not having to do all this or something... yeah? ya mean i don't have to continue bashing this fuckers head in?? yeah,
something like that...
naaah... and everyone just goes back to diggin' each other's eyes out
en-mass like there's no tomorrow lol :)
at which point buddha smiles, thinking hmm... this is obviously gonna take longer than i thought?
that's what's been going on in wallyworld anyway: how to get the children
to grow up!
to leave that fuckin' nursery of theirs and embrace some of the grandeur
of life and the world!
the truth is, people have always had the ability to come and stand where
the buddha was standing, it's just that they're always gonna be 'more' attracted to the bright lights and blaring sounds of the cities on the horizon...
they're not 'sane' enough to have a sane system! they made that system,
the madness of it reflects them!
if you want a remote view of them, take a gander at any reality show and
tv adverts; there they are! all living in 'that' world! aspiring to it! that's what they take for reality! (which is why i liked your 'Network'
post, it's always been one of my fav. movies as it points very clearly at
all that...)
but 'their' world is very different to the real world and the rest of the universe
they need something don't they, they need something to stretch them out a bit, something to help them 'outgrow' their current environment, that if that's an egg then they damn well need to hatch-out of it! (some in every generation do, rare blooms indeed, but never enough yet to change anything much or enough... everything always takes such a long-long time in wallyworld!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz0BE-gl_UI
fuck it. . . no one gets out alive.
live life and enjoy it or don't.
Here's the world depicted in a six second video
https://i.imgur.com/HUTejar.gifv
### - haha... although i dunno if that's the world, aspects of it
perhaps,
but if that was the world then that would equally also be the universe
as
well no? meaning, the universe is so much bigger than that? that that's
only a little bit of it (there's lots of little different bits) rather
than defining it? a mere pimple on the face of the universe then...
We are supposed to inhabit and populate the entire cosmos.
Humanity is a bacteria colony that is being transformed into
7.3 billion viruses capable of jumping from host to host.
As a bacteria colony, humanity is like a series of fire ant mounds.
how to define/allude-to the universe? hmm.... the big picture!
as an ocean maybe? vast... unfathomable... incomprehensible
Each version of the cosmos is a craft with a private ocean.
The only way to jump from cosmos to cosmos is to do business
with The Eternal & The Infinite.
My version of the cosmos is a forty foot sailboat.
This version we share is an ocean liner, with no engines, dead in the
water.
Genesis is a book of math riddles describing the abstract conversation
that keeps each drop of water in the ocean in place.
It's a Point to Sphere repeating equation that keeps each glass like
bead continuing to exist. The cosmos is the information pattern
momentuming across the surface of the beads. This version of the cosmos
shall spawn other versions as shisms.
thus we can only know our own tiny little bit? just the bit that's right
on our doorstep...
dammit, we're lucky if we can just know ourselves??
Yeah, in a complex world, cause and effect is difficult to manage.
I built an abstract self as an eternal identity pattern to force
the eternal and the infinite into compliance.
iow: we'll never know, can't ever know... and the bit we can know is
almost nada
and certainly not enough to start getting all confident about it!
Absolute certainty is dangerous, a range of options and outlooks is best.
nope, our greatest knowledge, is to know/realise is that nothing of what
we know is enough to matter
except maybe to us!
There's great value in being able to be alone with the truth, a cool
qoute.
"He who travels fastest travels alone.
unfortunately, humanity's insane! they've departed from the ways of
nature
& the universe and created their very own little crazy world! they're
delusional!
Were passing laws permitting babies to be killed right up till
birth.
they could step outside of all that and live more in-harmony
with the world but they don't! instead they're living in a
self-conceptualised 'pat-version' of it! (there's yer' proverbial ship
of
fools right there! sailed by madmen! the ss-wallyworld!) which would be
funny if it wasn't quite so tragic?
That's where zen steps in.
Change what can be changed and don't self annihilate on lost causes.
can picture buddha calmly sitting there, with the sheer chaos of
so-called
civilisation going-on all around him; everyone all frantically climbing
all over everyone else and digging each other's eyes out & god knows
what
else to boot... and him quietly saying to them, look ya don't have to do
all this ya know!
Or remaining silent realizing some of them can't stop clawing.
To build a mind from a human brain is the life process.
To focus on the struggle between The Eternal & The Infinite
brings balance and harmony when the chaos of now-now-now threatens.
there's a pregnant pause, all heads turned towards him, everyone frozen
in
mid-thrust, gouge, parry & blow... someone says: what did he he say? i
dunno, something about not having to do all this or something... yeah?
ya
mean i don't have to continue bashing this fuckers head in?? yeah,
something like that...
Jesus was clever at getting people to stop bashing each other's
heads in. So few christians play the game of consciousness with
eternity in mind and reliving their own acts of judgement over and over. Until they turn to stone, then dust, then ride the wind thoughtless
naaah... and everyone just goes back to diggin' each other's eyes out
en-mass like there's no tomorrow lol :)
We've had some eye openers with mob violence here in the states
over the last ten days. A lot of high horse faggots eating crow after throwing stones. The bloodlust exposed for what it is, a substitute
form of self annihilation.
at which point buddha smiles, thinking hmm... this is obviously gonna
take
longer than i thought?
A billion years minimum.
Build a boat, there are many sailors each with a private ocean.
Most have a compressed copy of the civilization they escaped from
to use as a reference point and storehouse of barterable info patterns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVzsQ-RiT9U
Dylan's boat is still seaworthy, Lennon's sank, he'll be staying
on for a least on life minimum. Fucked with the wrong captain and wife.
that's what's been going on in wallyworld anyway: how to get the
children
to grow up!
It's a helter skelter, higgledy piggledy process watching
order emerge from chaos, the old folks cliche; "watching paint dry."
to leave that fuckin' nursery of theirs and embrace some of the grandeur
of life and the world!
It's frightening to leave the backyard when a child.
But the thrill pulls people outward, some are lucky
and have siblings as guides similar to your dreaming endeavor.
the truth is, people have always had the ability to come and stand where
the buddha was standing, it's just that they're always gonna be 'more'
attracted to the bright lights and blaring sounds of the cities on the
horizon...
The city has swallowed many a pilot captain navigator team.
In the infinite one becomes god and falls with the first thought.
That first thought has to be a really good one to land back in
your own cosmos-boat. I use I AM KNOT variations to delay
cause and effect. A sudden injection of two 27 variables alphabets.
One for consciousness and one for geometry. I work the beads of time
until I capture three new ones and establish a new past present and
future.
they're not 'sane' enough to have a sane system! they made that system,
the madness of it reflects them!
A self reinforcing dilemma.
if you want a remote view of them, take a gander at any reality show and
tv adverts; there they are! all living in 'that' world! aspiring to it!
that's what they take for reality! (which is why i liked your 'Network'
post, it's always been one of my fav. movies as it points very clearly
at
all that...)
That was the first time I connected with that bit-sequence 100%.
but 'their' world is very different to the real world and the rest of
the
universe
This universe has resumed growing up. We are IT - IT is us.
This orgy of emotional intoxication is a necessay barrier-stage to cross.
The pendulum has peaked and is returning. The outliers stay insane.
Funny how science addicts renounce evolution if you convincingly
argue that consciousness must evolve also.
they need something don't they, they need something to stretch them out
a
bit, something to help them 'outgrow' their current environment, that if
that's an egg then they damn well need to hatch-out of it! (some in
every
generation do, rare blooms indeed, but never enough yet to change
anything
much or enough... everything always takes such a long-long time in
wallyworld!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz0BE-gl_UI
Just like you shared some handcrafted knowledge with a modest sized
community recently, Buddhas knowledge is preserved because he entered
the fray.
I read some history of him and it was complex. But he built a hub that
could
be duplicated to form many wheels.
Malcolm X - Hypocrisy as Strategy.
Similar to the cat video but elucidated adroitly
https://youtu.be/ZjS0ZVa8oyI
I only ever connected to Pink Floyd on this one point of contact.
Welcome To The Machine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt-udg9zQSE
If people knew what was truly available they would go insane for a while. That's what we are experiencing worldwide,
the restoration of infinite possibilities after a military quarentine.
Dylan's has a tangled relation-ship with the girl-cosmos.
His most autobiographical tune.
Cold Irons Bound
https://youtu.be/9hO-83CIVKM
Dylan understands the girl killed Lennon
Bob Dylan - Duquesne Whistle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mns9VeRguys
Some things can only be said in songs.
fuck it. . . no one gets out alive.
live life and enjoy it or don't.
LowRider wrote...
Here's the world depicted in a six second video
https://i.imgur.com/HUTejar.gifv
### - haha... although i dunno if that's the world, aspects of it
perhaps,
but if that was the world then that would equally also be the universe >> as
well no? meaning, the universe is so much bigger than that? that that's
only a little bit of it (there's lots of little different bits) rather
than defining it? a mere pimple on the face of the universe then...
We are supposed to inhabit and populate the entire cosmos.
Humanity is a bacteria colony that is being transformed into
7.3 billion viruses capable of jumping from host to host.
As a bacteria colony, humanity is like a series of fire ant mounds.
### - have read most of the sci-fi novels along those lines too, and i dunno if that's ever really gonna be the case even given an infinite
amount of time and expense...
it also presupposes humanity growing up
enough to first save their own planet & themselves in order to even
advance to such a technological level,
whereas shamans (for example) have
been arguably visiting other worlds since time immemorial, so just how humanity eventually/actually evolves still has a question mark over it
(would have personally plumped for the latter as being the better advance, there's no 'soul' in technology + if we remain in only that frame of mind we're unlikely to survive the next 3 or 400 years let alone millions...)
how to define/allude-to the universe? hmm.... the big picture!
as an ocean maybe? vast... unfathomable... incomprehensible
Each version of the cosmos is a craft with a private ocean.
The only way to jump from cosmos to cosmos is to do business
with The Eternal & The Infinite.
My version of the cosmos is a forty foot sailboat.
This version we share is an ocean liner, with no engines, dead in the water.
Genesis is a book of math riddles describing the abstract conversation
that keeps each drop of water in the ocean in place.
It's a Point to Sphere repeating equation that keeps each glass like
bead continuing to exist. The cosmos is the information pattern
momentuming across the surface of the beads. This version of the cosmos shall spawn other versions as shisms.
### - i tested you on math quite some time back with some pretty simple geometry and you didn't even know what i was talking about... so the kind of math you're referring to isn't anything am familiar with, which doesn't mean you're wrong and only that i can't keep up with it (it's not a level we can communicate on even intuitively i mean)
thus we can only know our own tiny little bit? just the bit that's right >> on our doorstep...
dammit, we're lucky if we can just know ourselves??
Yeah, in a complex world, cause and effect is difficult to manage.
I built an abstract self as an eternal identity pattern to force
the eternal and the infinite into compliance.
### - the infinite and the eternal within 'yourself' you mean?
iow: we'll never know, can't ever know... and the bit we can know is
almost nada
and certainly not enough to start getting all confident about it!
Absolute certainty is dangerous, a range of options and outlooks is best.
### - agreed about a range of options & outlooks being more reasonable and balanced, we can't afford to close ourselves off to options any more than we can limit ourselves to any one path of endeavor, and this because we do not yet have enough information to act either one way or the other with
any confidence; technological, spiritual or otherwise... we do not know!
nope, our greatest knowledge, is to know/realise is that nothing of what >> we know is enough to matter
except maybe to us!
There's great value in being able to be alone with the truth, a cool qoute.
"He who travels fastest travels alone.
### - is that why jc stopped to pick up the disciples? (kinda kidding here hehe) and then sent them out everywhere to spread the word? but can't really argue with that as am alone with my truth are you are with yours...
i do, however, have a direct line/connection to the Artists in common with them, hence you'll always see me quoting from them as backup to my arguments + most of the great thinkers, writers and artists of humanity have all tended to be on that team apart
from some of the more
technological ones, although you also see a few defections from in their later years too, enistein for one after he'd fully realised what he'd done by giving them the atom bomb,
and yet couldn't have done otherwise lest
the nazi's got it first,
and it changed him! here was a man who could
examine things right down to an atomic level for detail, and loved doing it! but then had cause to cast that same piercing eye over the state of humanity only to be in for a few more shocks?
Oppenheimer too, who
completed that task, found himself quoting from the hindu bible when he
let that first one off,
and then stood aghast at what he'd let loose on
the world ("I am become death. The destroyer of worlds" etc...) scientist that he was he liked poetry, much to the chagrin of his then peers, one of which even asked him why he even bothered with all that 'stuff'
unfortunately, humanity's insane! they've departed from the ways of
nature
& the universe and created their very own little crazy world! they're
delusional!
Were passing laws permitting babies to be killed right up till
birth.
### - excuse my cynicism, but why not? we start killing 'em right from the moment of birth in one way or another anyway! screw 'em up, drive them insane & then put 'em to work down the dreary mines in one form or
another! life seems to be cheap in wallyworld? valueless! except in terms of what you can personally produce for the machine?? there's only one possible route for humanity's survival: Art over science, not science over Art
they could step outside of all that and live more in-harmony
with the world but they don't! instead they're living in a
self-conceptualised 'pat-version' of it! (there's yer' proverbial ship >> of
fools right there! sailed by madmen! the ss-wallyworld!) which would be
funny if it wasn't quite so tragic?
That's where zen steps in.
Change what can be changed and don't self annihilate on lost causes.
### - change what can be changed... can humanity's currently serious insanity be changed?
one would like to think so, and because where one man can go another can
go also, and 'many' have successfully made the trip!
i don't think we've got the 'luxury' of millions of years as a buffer, something far more 'immediate' is required just to stop them disappearing up their own dirtbox in the very near future? the 'whole-thing' is top-heavy, and any previous civilisation that did that eventually toppled (we're approximately the 23rd civilisation to have arisen, the previous 22 all fell...)
that if we don't get our act together in say the next 500 to 1000 years we wont be going anywhere!
can picture buddha calmly sitting there, with the sheer chaos of
so-called
civilisation going-on all around him; everyone all frantically climbing
all over everyone else and digging each other's eyes out & god knows
what
else to boot... and him quietly saying to them, look ya don't have to do >> all this ya know!
Or remaining silent realizing some of them can't stop clawing.
To build a mind from a human brain is the life process.
To focus on the struggle between The Eternal & The Infinite
brings balance and harmony when the chaos of now-now-now threatens.
### - but he didn't remain silent did he? he spoke less than everyone else for sure but enough was known about his teachings to have remained to this day 2500 years later? his silence spoke volumes in that sense, he 'imparted' knowledge rather than teaching it... his basic message,
however, was that you don't 'have' to do it, that there's other options!
there's a pregnant pause, all heads turned towards him, everyone frozen >> in
mid-thrust, gouge, parry & blow... someone says: what did he he say? i
dunno, something about not having to do all this or something... yeah? >> ya
mean i don't have to continue bashing this fuckers head in?? yeah,
something like that...
Jesus was clever at getting people to stop bashing each other's
heads in. So few christians play the game of consciousness with
eternity in mind and reliving their own acts of judgement over and over. Until they turn to stone, then dust, then ride the wind thoughtless
Oasis - D’You Know What I Mean?
We are supposed to inhabit and populate the entire cosmos.
Humanity is a bacteria colony that is being transformed into
7.3 billion viruses capable of jumping from host to host.
As a bacteria colony, humanity is like a series of fire ant mounds.
### - have read most of the sci-fi novels along those lines too, and i
dunno if that's ever really gonna be the case even given an infinite
amount of time and expense...
Could never read sci-fi.
Always knew it was hocus pocus.
it also presupposes humanity growing up
enough to first save their own planet & themselves in order to even
advance to such a technological level,
We see technology differently. I see your dream work-craftsmanship
as information technology embedded in an information processing medium.
whereas shamans (for example) have
been arguably visiting other worlds since time immemorial, so just how
humanity eventually/actually evolves still has a question mark over it
inhabiting and populating another world is a different connundrum
than visiting and mapping.
(would have personally plumped for the latter as being the better
advance,
there's no 'soul' in technology + if we remain in only that frame of
mind
we're unlikely to survive the next 3 or 400 years let alone millions...)
What is present in this world is primitive technology.
It is soul less because its inventors and subscribers
prefer it that way.
cosmoshow to define/allude-to the universe? hmm.... the big picture!
as an ocean maybe? vast... unfathomable... incomprehensible
Each version of the cosmos is a craft with a private ocean.
The only way to jump from cosmos to cosmos is to do business
with The Eternal & The Infinite.
My version of the cosmos is a forty foot sailboat.
This version we share is an ocean liner, with no engines, dead in the
water.
Genesis is a book of math riddles describing the abstract conversation
that keeps each drop of water in the ocean in place.
It's a Point to Sphere repeating equation that keeps each glass like
bead continuing to exist. The cosmos is the information pattern
momentuming across the surface of the beads. This version of the
shall spawn other versions as shisms.
### - i tested you on math quite some time back with some pretty simple
geometry and you didn't even know what i was talking about... so the
kind
of math you're referring to isn't anything am familiar with, which
doesn't
mean you're wrong and only that i can't keep up with it (it's not a
level
we can communicate on even intuitively i mean)
I don't recall being tested, not in an official way.
Such as: "Answer this query so I can validate your knowledge base."
The use of the word "universe" implies a lack of math skills also.
But I don't assume your mired in the 7.3 billion definitions of that
word currently in existence in this world. A powerful counterpoint
to universe is megaverse. A very unpopular word.
rightthus we can only know our own tiny little bit? just the bit that's
on our doorstep...
dammit, we're lucky if we can just know ourselves??
Yeah, in a complex world, cause and effect is difficult to manage.
I built an abstract self as an eternal identity pattern to force
the eternal and the infinite into compliance.
### - the infinite and the eternal within 'yourself' you mean?
The medium or sea that is foundational and indestructible.
Closest match in contemporary science is "hawking radiation"
best.iow: we'll never know, can't ever know... and the bit we can know is
almost nada
and certainly not enough to start getting all confident about it!
Absolute certainty is dangerous, a range of options and outlooks is
### - agreed about a range of options & outlooks being more reasonable
and
balanced, we can't afford to close ourselves off to options any more
than
we can limit ourselves to any one path of endeavor, and this because we
do
not yet have enough information to act either one way or the other with
any confidence; technological, spiritual or otherwise... we do not know!
That is an opinion.
The "Evidence Paradox" is in play.
Those who have evidence can observe theorize experiment and analyize
the results lead to new evidence.
Those who don't have evidence presume no one does.
To present evidence to those who don't have it is to
interfere in their evolution and to risk hostility requiring self
defense.
For those with evidence it is best to accept the "Evidence Paradox."
If humanity is an organism some parts of the whole would serve specific functions.
whatnope, our greatest knowledge, is to know/realise is that nothing of
we know is enough to matter
except maybe to us!
There's great value in being able to be alone with the truth, a cool
qoute.
"He who travels fastest travels alone.
### - is that why jc stopped to pick up the disciples? (kinda kidding
here
hehe) and then sent them out everywhere to spread the word? but can't
really argue with that as am alone with my truth are you are with
yours...
We are in agreement there, always alone as "self" for truth.
Other is not part of self, to see other as other is truth.
i do, however, have a direct line/connection to the Artists in common
with
them, hence you'll always see me quoting from them as backup to my
arguments + most of the great thinkers, writers and artists of humanity
have all tended to be on that team apart
Reference points to move the conversation along with the previous
idea of self truth as editor and deployer of navigation markers of
well expressed thought patterns.
from some of the more
technological ones, although you also see a few defections from in their
later years too, enistein for one after he'd fully realised what he'd
done
by giving them the atom bomb,
He gazed into the abyss and was swallowed by it.
Both he an his son had schizophrenia, his son incapacitated by it.
and yet couldn't have done otherwise lest
the nazi's got it first,
That's a complex value assignment that could be argued a thousand
different ways. Your opinion is well founded but there are many opinions.
I choose not to have one there with the understanding that it's an
open question. The info system we live in shuts of missile silos
worldwide to remind humans worldwide the eternal and the infinite
are the sea upon which the cosmos(info pattern) is sailing.
and it changed him! here was a man who could
examine things right down to an atomic level for detail, and loved doing
it! but then had cause to cast that same piercing eye over the state of
humanity only to be in for a few more shocks?
He fell prey to the idea of "Celebrity Scientist."
Still to this day no can describe the basics of The Electron.
Maybe decoding that riddle was his destiny but he fought it off
with self annihilation.
Oppenheimer too, who
completed that task, found himself quoting from the hindu bible when he
let that first one off,
In the underlying medium you can't make the same exact mistake twice.
After the second nuclear weapon was used the info system adjusted
strategy.
and then stood aghast at what he'd let loose on
the world ("I am become death. The destroyer of worlds" etc...)
scientist
that he was he liked poetry, much to the chagrin of his then peers, one
of
which even asked him why he even bothered with all that 'stuff'
It was his proudest moment.
A psychopath celebrating the dawn of efficient mass murder.
He could look at Hitler as a little boy in short pants ever afterward.
It's always about ego when self trys to posess control and destroy other.
unfortunately, humanity's insane! they've departed from the ways of
nature
& the universe and created their very own little crazy world! they're
delusional!
Were passing laws permitting babies to be killed right up till
birth.
### - excuse my cynicism, but why not? we start killing 'em right from
the
moment of birth in one way or another anyway! screw 'em up, drive them
insane & then put 'em to work down the dreary mines in one form or
another! life seems to be cheap in wallyworld? valueless! except in
terms
of what you can personally produce for the machine?? there's only one
possible route for humanity's survival: Art over science, not science
over
Art
Maybe it's all an equation and people are killing people for reasons
they have no hope of grasping. Mass murder is becoming quite popular
again.
It's a sign of the times. Self believing it can kill other without
killing self.
shipthey could step outside of all that and live more in-harmony
with the world but they don't! instead they're living in a
self-conceptualised 'pat-version' of it! (there's yer' proverbial
beof
fools right there! sailed by madmen! the ss-wallyworld!) which would
funny if it wasn't quite so tragic?
That's where zen steps in.
Change what can be changed and don't self annihilate on lost causes.
### - change what can be changed... can humanity's currently serious
insanity be changed?
It changes constantly, that's the nature of mass psychosis.
Can humanity heal itself and proceed to a more robust noble future?
Only by taking responsibility and freedom as fundamental partners.
Managing cause and effect in a sane rationale way starting with the
simple things and evolving to elegant solutions.
If one member of humanity escapes or survives then humanity has served
its purpose. Not every turtle that hatches makes it across the beach
and enters the sea. Some do, but not from worrying about the other
turtles.
4j47j2j5-3......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..0j0i131j0i10j0i22i10i30j0i22i30j33i22i29i30j33i299j33i160.-MgnquCHRdkone would like to think so, and because where one man can go another can
go also, and 'many' have successfully made the trip!
i don't think we've got the 'luxury' of millions of years as a buffer,
something far more 'immediate' is required just to stop them
disappearing
up their own dirtbox in the very near future? the 'whole-thing' is
top-heavy, and any previous civilisation that did that eventually
toppled
(we're approximately the 23rd civilisation to have arisen, the previous
22
all fell...)
The gear for "Exodus" is installed.
The "Evidence Paradox" at its most convincing deployment.
Here's a riddle: Who Is Who." verses "Who Is They."
https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=Ks9QXO_5G6rIjwTm157gAw&q=hillary+they+were+never+going+to+let+me+be+president&btnK=Google+Search&oq=hillary+they+were+never+going+to+let+me+be+president&gs_l=psy-ab.3...7449.38154..39294...0.0..0.559.8293.
Answer in context
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_refereed_game
Three referees and one umpire.
At the highest levels of power this is all understood.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/12/photogalleries/101228-sun-end-year-analemmas-solstice-eclipse-pictures/#/year-in-picture-analemma-sun-path-spain_30691_600x450.jpg
I thought i heard God say shut the fuck up you
dumb ass.
of course.
:-)
Nice chat...
LowRider wrote...
We are supposed to inhabit and populate the entire cosmos.
Humanity is a bacteria colony that is being transformed into
7.3 billion viruses capable of jumping from host to host.
As a bacteria colony, humanity is like a series of fire ant mounds.
### - have read most of the sci-fi novels along those lines too, and i
dunno if that's ever really gonna be the case even given an infinite
amount of time and expense...
Could never read sci-fi.
Always knew it was hocus pocus.
### - it's not bad as a vehicle to explore many alternate ideas, philosophies & cosmologies, many of them quite deep & inspiring + thought provoking, and with some real classics among them by the likes of say robert heinlein (glory road & moonchild) & a. e. van voght whom i particularly liked at the time, the hero of many his stories being able to move like greased lightning due to having an increased intelligence (the more intelligence he had the faster he could move and dance circles around others heh...)
it also presupposes humanity growing up
enough to first save their own planet & themselves in order to even
advance to such a technological level,
We see technology differently. I see your dream work-craftsmanship
as information technology embedded in an information processing medium.
### - was referring more to the physical technology to reach other stars and thus populate the cosmos at large?
whereas shamans (for example) have
been arguably visiting other worlds since time immemorial, so just how
humanity eventually/actually evolves still has a question mark over it
inhabiting and populating another world is a different connundrum
than visiting and mapping.
### - not according to cc haha, although that parallel-world dream of mine the other night was indeed strange and almost as if i was afraid of maybe getting stranded there if i wasn't careful
(would have personally plumped for the latter as being the better
advance,
there's no 'soul' in technology + if we remain in only that frame of
mind
we're unlikely to survive the next 3 or 400 years let alone millions...) >>
What is present in this world is primitive technology.
It is soul less because its inventors and subscribers
prefer it that way.
### - that, or because they lack soul themselves and thus they always come up with mechanical versions?
cosmoshow to define/allude-to the universe? hmm.... the big picture!
as an ocean maybe? vast... unfathomable... incomprehensible
Each version of the cosmos is a craft with a private ocean.
The only way to jump from cosmos to cosmos is to do business
with The Eternal & The Infinite.
My version of the cosmos is a forty foot sailboat.
This version we share is an ocean liner, with no engines, dead in the
water.
Genesis is a book of math riddles describing the abstract conversation >> > that keeps each drop of water in the ocean in place.
It's a Point to Sphere repeating equation that keeps each glass like
bead continuing to exist. The cosmos is the information pattern
momentuming across the surface of the beads. This version of the
shall spawn other versions as shisms.
### - i tested you on math quite some time back with some pretty simple
geometry and you didn't even know what i was talking about... so the
kind
of math you're referring to isn't anything am familiar with, which
doesn't
mean you're wrong and only that i can't keep up with it (it's not a
level
we can communicate on even intuitively i mean)
I don't recall being tested, not in an official way.
Such as: "Answer this query so I can validate your knowledge base."
The use of the word "universe" implies a lack of math skills also.
But I don't assume your mired in the 7.3 billion definitions of that
word currently in existence in this world. A powerful counterpoint
to universe is megaverse. A very unpopular word.
### - i only tested you surreptitiously so as not to create any friction and didn't make anything of it at the time (was along the lines of time being possibly only a by-product of 3-dimensional perception and thus wouldn't exist from a 4-dimensional pov etc...)
rightthus we can only know our own tiny little bit? just the bit that's
on our doorstep...
dammit, we're lucky if we can just know ourselves??
Yeah, in a complex world, cause and effect is difficult to manage.
I built an abstract self as an eternal identity pattern to force
the eternal and the infinite into compliance.
### - the infinite and the eternal within 'yourself' you mean?
The medium or sea that is foundational and indestructible.
Closest match in contemporary science is "hawking radiation"
### - hawking talks about blackholes gradually losing energy by such
means, i don't see the connection?
best.iow: we'll never know, can't ever know... and the bit we can know is
almost nada
and certainly not enough to start getting all confident about it!
Absolute certainty is dangerous, a range of options and outlooks is
### - agreed about a range of options & outlooks being more reasonable >> and
balanced, we can't afford to close ourselves off to options any more
than
we can limit ourselves to any one path of endeavor, and this because we >> do
not yet have enough information to act either one way or the other with
any confidence; technological, spiritual or otherwise... we do not know!
That is an opinion.
The "Evidence Paradox" is in play.
Those who have evidence can observe theorize experiment and analyize
the results lead to new evidence.
Those who don't have evidence presume no one does.
To present evidence to those who don't have it is to
interfere in their evolution and to risk hostility requiring self defense.
For those with evidence it is best to accept the "Evidence Paradox."
If humanity is an organism some parts of the whole would serve specific functions.
### - most evidence (or data) gives-way to new theories when the original evidence is proven to be wrong or incomplete, the sun orbiting the earth looking correct at the time being a prime example...
nope, our greatest knowledge, is to know/realise is that nothing of >> what
we know is enough to matter
except maybe to us!
There's great value in being able to be alone with the truth, a cool
qoute.
"He who travels fastest travels alone.
### - is that why jc stopped to pick up the disciples? (kinda kidding
here
hehe)
really argue with that as am alone with my truth are you are with
yours...
We are in agreement there, always alone as "self" for truth.
Other is not part of self, to see other as other is truth.
### - my dream self is still me albeit projected into other realms of perception; am i a man dreaming of being a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming i'm a man, paradox etc...
i do, however, have a direct line/connection to the Artists in common
with
them, hence you'll always see me quoting from them as backup to my
arguments + most of the great thinkers, writers and artists of humanity
have all tended to be on that team apart
Reference points to move the conversation along with the previous
idea of self truth as editor and deployer of navigation markers of
well expressed thought patterns.
### - am saying/suggesting that artists down the ages have a very
different pov concerning all this, one that often contradicts the more physically mechanical pov of the rationalists...
from some of the more
technological ones, although you also see a few defections from in their >> later years too, enistein for one after he'd fully realised what he'd
done
by giving them the atom bomb,
He gazed into the abyss and was swallowed by it.
Both he an his son had schizophrenia, his son incapacitated by it.
and yet couldn't have done otherwise lest
the nazi's got it first,
:-)
Nice chat...
### - yeah we didn't do too bad all things considered (smile...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsKuQkE-Od4
peace :)
### - "When a bunch of known corrupt people unite against
one man & spare no effort to ridicule him, blackmail him
& attempt to assassinate his character, blindly follow
that one man! --Marcus Aurelius
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