• Re: where is your next thought coming from?

    From crickett@1:229/2 to slider on Sunday, December 02, 2018 14:27:54
    From: crsds@sbcglobal.net

    slider wrote:

    ### - terrence mckenna reckoned that 50% of what we 'call' thinking is actually only listening ;)

    curious that, no?

    yeah you gotta focus on something.

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  • From crickett@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, December 02, 2018 13:12:16
    From: crsds@sbcglobal.net

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHNbHn3i9S4

    You can hear (and I am sure most Beatles fans have) "Tomorrow Never Knows" a lot and not know really what it is about. Basically it is saying what meditation is all about. The goal of meditation is to go beyond (that is, transcend) waking, sleeping and
    dreaming. So the song starts out by saying, "Turn off your mind, relax and float downstream, it is not dying."

    Then it says, "Lay down all thoughts, surrender to the void – it is shining. That you may see the meaning of within – it is being." From birth to death all we ever do is think: we have one thought, we have another thought, another thought, another
    thought. Even when you are asleep you are having dreams, so there is never a time from birth to death when the mind isn't always active with thoughts. But you can turn off your mind, and go to the part which Maharishi described as: "Where was your last
    thought before you thought it?"

    The whole point is that we are the song. The self is coming from a state of pure awareness, from the state of being. All the rest that comes about in the outward manifestation of the physical world (including all the fluctuations which end up as thoughts
    and actions) is just clutter. The true nature of each soul is pure consciousness. So the song is really about transcending and about the quality of the transcendent.

    I am not too sure if John actually fully understood what he was saying. He knew
    he was onto something when he saw those words and turned them into a song. But to have experienced what the lyrics in that song are actually about? I don't know if he fully
    understood it. (don't worry, he did)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, December 02, 2018 22:07:52
    From: slider@anashram.com

    "Where was your last thought before you thought it?"

    ### - terrence mckenna reckoned that 50% of what we 'call' thinking is
    actually only listening ;)

    curious that, no?

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Monday, December 03, 2018 11:40:01
    From: slider@atashram.com

    ### - terrence mckenna reckoned that 50% of what we 'call' thinking is
    actually only listening ;)

    curious that, no?

    yeah you gotta focus on something.

    ### - it implies telepathy! and that maybe half our 'thoughts' are
    actually someone else's!?

    that we focus on 'self' exclusively and thus imagine every thought/idea to
    be exclusively our own!

    even an alternate explanation for audio-hypnagogia maybe?

    iow: don't think, listen! :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Monday, December 03, 2018 17:20:02
    From: slider@atashram.com

    had a little shot of hypnagogia the other night.
    was watching a series of pictures from a sketch
    book. They were sketched pictures drawn in black
    and white. Can't say i've ever seen anything quite
    like that. Didn't go anywhere, just went to darkness
    after a few minutes. I was not sleeping.

    ### - a controlled entry is everything, but you very nearly got it there!

    one is defo not sleeping at this point of seeing such sharp & clear
    images, and all it needs is to then focus-in on some one detail of it to trigger a WILD + any image will do!

    or, one can hang-back at the gazing at hypnagogia stage just for its own
    sake (which is what it sounds like you did) and have spent many hours by
    now personally doing just that alone for the sheer wonder of experiencing
    such incredible visions and the 4000k-type HD-clarity of them, a
    fascinating experience just in itself! :)

    i dunno 'how' you arrived at the hypnagogic-stage this time, but the whole thing flows a lot better if every step is deliberately done/enacted, as
    WILDs (unlike dilds) don't happen by accident (well they do but are always
    then called something else...)

    plus at least now you're getting to see the hypnagogia instead of only
    hearing them...

    so i think you're gonna make it!

    (old dildos never die, they just slowly lose their overall stiffness?)
    haha :D

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  • From crickett@1:229/2 to All on Monday, December 03, 2018 08:41:22
    From: crsds@sbcglobal.net

    had a little shot of hypnagogia the other night.
    was watching a series of pictures from a sketch
    book. They were sketched pictures drawn in black
    and white. Can't say i've ever seen anything quite
    like that. Didn't go anywhere, just went to darkness
    after a few minutes. I was not sleeping.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Monday, December 03, 2018 18:56:54
    From: slider@anashram.com

    ### - a controlled entry is everything, but you very nearly got it
    there!

    one is defo not sleeping at this point of seeing such sharp & clear
    images, and all it needs is to then focus-in on some one detail of it to
    trigger a WILD + any image will do!

    you mean hold the image at one specific spot?
    instead of looking for your hands, just look at the spot?
    ok i think i can do that, transfer my expertise from dild
    to wild and hold steady.

    ### - once something so clear appears just examine it for some one finer
    detail or another, you switch from gazing generally at and through them to actually focusing-in on some one part of it, the more detailed the
    better... look for details 'in' the images!




    or, one can hang-back at the gazing at hypnagogia stage just for its own
    sake (which is what it sounds like you did) and have spent many hours by
    now personally doing just that alone for the sheer wonder of
    experiencing
    such incredible visions and the 4000k-type HD-clarity of them, a
    fascinating experience just in itself! :)

    i dunno 'how' you arrived at the hypnagogic-stage this time, but the
    whole
    thing flows a lot better if every step is deliberately done/enacted, as
    WILDs (unlike dilds) don't happen by accident (well they do but are
    always
    then called something else...)

    i woke up late in the night and was just watching to see what
    would come up. And this all came up so i just watched it.

    ### - there's no doubt WBTB works, but only to dispense with otherwise
    having to relax in some manner/way so as to be enabled to see some images, having been asleep we wake up all relaxed and limp (like a cat heh) and
    it's while in this state we can get so see the hypnagogia...



    plus at least now you're getting to see the hypnagogia instead of only
    hearing them...

    it seems to happen on its own, all i can do is just 'be' there when
    it does.

    ### - it only happens all on its own using wbtb, but the same (or similar) state can be more deliberately achieved via some small relaxation exercise
    at bedtime, just beginning to feel a bit sleepy is actually enough and
    then switching to hypnagogia hunting... the only problem with wbtb being
    that of becoming dependent on only ever waking up in the night to be
    'able' to WILD, whereas once it's perfected at inducing this same
    hypnagogic state at bedtime it can then be exercised just about anytime
    because it's 'you' that's doing it every time, a clear advantage to
    waiting on chance or setting one's alarm clock...




    so i think you're gonna make it!

    "we'll see won't we"?

    (old dildos never die, they just slowly lose their overall stiffness?)
    haha :D

    it almost seems like magic. but i'm all in to do this.

    ### - 'magical' as opposed to 'magic' is prolly more correct hehehe, i'd
    be personally more inclined to call it a psychic phenomenon than anything
    else; awareness is being allowed to range-out and to touch upon something unnameable... The near unknown ;)

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  • From crickett@1:229/2 to All on Monday, December 03, 2018 09:37:53
    From: crsds@sbcglobal.net

    ### - a controlled entry is everything, but you very nearly got it there!

    one is defo not sleeping at this point of seeing such sharp & clear
    images, and all it needs is to then focus-in on some one detail of it to trigger a WILD + any image will do!

    you mean hold the image at one specific spot?
    instead of looking for your hands, just look at the spot?
    ok i think i can do that, transfer my expertise from dild
    to wild and hold steady.

    or, one can hang-back at the gazing at hypnagogia stage just for its own
    sake (which is what it sounds like you did) and have spent many hours by
    now personally doing just that alone for the sheer wonder of experiencing such incredible visions and the 4000k-type HD-clarity of them, a
    fascinating experience just in itself! :)

    i dunno 'how' you arrived at the hypnagogic-stage this time, but the whole thing flows a lot better if every step is deliberately done/enacted, as
    WILDs (unlike dilds) don't happen by accident (well they do but are always then called something else...)

    i woke up late in the night and was just watching to see what
    would come up. And this all came up so i just watched it.

    plus at least now you're getting to see the hypnagogia instead of only hearing them...

    it seems to happen on its own, all i can do is just 'be' there when
    it does.

    so i think you're gonna make it!

    "we'll see won't we"?

    (old dildos never die, they just slowly lose their overall stiffness?)
    haha :D

    it almost seems like magic. but i'm all in to do this.

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  • From einsiedlerkrebs@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, December 04, 2018 02:34:01
    From: rainbowguardian@web.de

    You two guys are doing black magic!
    Force and Control and Power ower situations or people or dreams or
    whtever i experienced by others onto me as black magic, but what do i
    know, maybe cc is right and everythings normal people do is also black
    magic, since everybodys got some power, even if it is only the power of
    love!

    --
    https://cosmicpurple.blog/

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  • From crickett@1:229/2 to All on Monday, December 03, 2018 21:44:14
    From: crsds@sbcglobal.net

    nobody is doing anything to anybody

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, December 04, 2018 09:52:45
    From: slider@anashram.com

    rainbowguardian wrote...

    You two guys are doing black magic!
    Force and Control and Power ower situations or people or dreams or
    whtever i experienced by others onto me as black magic, but what do i
    know, maybe cc is right and everythings normal people do is also black
    magic, since everybodys got some power, even if it is only the power of
    love!

    ### - you consider lucid dreaming to be black magic?

    the tibetan buddhists use/teach lucid dreaming as an important part of
    their path to self-realisation and emancipation, so how could liberation
    of the spirit be black magic?

    cc called the 'type' of lucid dreaming (WILDs) we're discussing to be: 'dreaming awake' or 'heightened awareness'; an intrinsic part of freeing/liberating one's awareness from the social collective and/or from
    the social convention that keeps everyone obsessively nailed-down to one
    spot in awareness only, the result of which is self-evidentially a slowly
    dying world... that it's our fellow man and his obsessive manipulation of
    the known (on that one spot) that makes them/turns-them-into 'black
    magicians'

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  • From crickett@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, December 04, 2018 10:48:41
    From: crsds@sbcglobal.net

    I've been down to the bottom of a whirlpool of lies
    I ain't lookin' for nothin' in anyone's eyes
    Sometimes my burden is more than I can bear
    It's not dark yet, but it's getting there
    I was born here and I'll die here, against my will
    I know it looks like I'm movin' but I'm standin' still
    Every nerve in my body is so naked and numb
    I can't even remember what it was I came here to get away from
    Don't even hear the murmur of a prayer
    It's not dark yet, but it's getting there

    this is a good song. thanx.
    we ain't goin' nowhere.

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to crickett on Tuesday, December 04, 2018 10:30:13
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 10:41:23 AM UTC-5, crickett wrote:
    had a little shot of hypnagogia the other night.
    was watching a series of pictures from a sketch
    book. They were sketched pictures drawn in black
    and white. Can't say i've ever seen anything quite
    like that. Didn't go anywhere, just went to darkness
    after a few minutes. I was not sleeping.

    That is the place that supplies all the pure water.
    The literal expression of the song you talked about.
    The Nothing where a person can become a Nowhere Man.
    The one time I was there almost 35 linear years ago I WAS FREE.
    To be there one time is to preserve the abstract self as PURE REPOSE.

    First, before it happened I had a delusion-vision.
    I saw myself in a tattered grey space suit without a helmet.
    I laid down exhausted in a dark bedroom and just seemed to cease being.
    I was body less and seemed to be gently moving away from something.
    My perception looked backwards and I saw a basketball sized orb.
    It was about fifty primary colars and small lightning ripples of shades.
    Around it was a haze of pastel mist that could be seen through.
    My only thought, which didn't derail the experience was a begrudging:
    "It is beautiful."
    My perception turned outward and it felt like I was expanding again.
    Eventually some tiny points of light were moving past me towards the sphere. After they thinned out and dryed up I knew I was somewhere no one had ever been.
    I no longer felt momentum or rhythum just pure balance and gentle freedom.
    I still thing of that experience as one of my definitions of God and Holiness. Jesus once said:"The person old in days won't hesitate to ask a little child seven days old about the place of life, and that person will live. For many of the first will be last, and will become a single one."
    In that experience it was impossible to know if the ball of complex light
    I moved away from was my self or all selves, being viewed through eternity.
    In the silent darkness I felt free and safe. The experience ended suddenly.
    But without a jolt, when I said: I AM (k)not ready to be alone(a loan).
    It was like, by being in a non-defined world I would have to engage with
    that realm to define:"I am not ready to be alone."
    I don't know if you'll(crsd) retain access to that state, but probably shall. In order to get there a being has lets go of the Anything-Something-Everything. Those three can never compare to the purity and simplicity of The Nothing.
    Like the Jesus qoute, Zero and One are there alone and at peace with each other.

    Nowhere Man
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4ZE4arxJwc

    Starting Over
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZCxyOcvp5A


    Having thought about the experience many times from many perspectives.

    The Something is the point at the center of The Circle
    The Everything (creation) and The Anything (destruction) are The Circle
    Outside The Circle and deep inside the Center Point is totality: The Nothing. As a beings info pattern expands inward and outward simultaneously those two places merge. In religions the kingdom within you and without you.
    In crude metaphor the rebuilding of the fresh water pipes and sewage pipes.

    Across The Universe - Fiona
    Nothings Going To Change My World
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhMEKiIb86I

    The point of life is to achieve The Nothing.
    Theme:
    "I ain't lookin' for nothin' in anyone's eyes"
    "I'm not looking for The Nothing in The Anyones eyes."


    It Aint Dark Yet
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZgBhyU4IvQ

    Shadows are falling and I been here all day
    It's too hot to sleep and time is running away
    Feel like my soul has turned into steel
    I've still got the scars that the sun didn't let me heal
    There's not even room enough to be anywhere
    It's not dark yet, but it's getting there
    Well my sense of humanity is going down the drain
    Behind every beautiful thing, there's been some kind of pain
    She wrote me a letter and she wrote it so kind
    She put down in writin' what was in her mind
    I just don't see why I should even care
    It's not dark yet, but it's getting there
    Well I been to London and I been to gay Paree
    I followed the river and I got to the sea
    I've been down to the bottom of a whirlpool of lies
    I ain't lookin' for nothin' in anyone's eyes
    Sometimes my burden is more than I can bear
    It's not dark yet, but it's getting there
    I was born here and I'll die here, against my will
    I know it looks like I'm movin' but I'm standin' still
    Every nerve in my body is so naked and numb
    I can't even remember what it was I came here to get away from
    Don't even hear the murmur of a prayer
    It's not dark yet, but it's getting there

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, December 05, 2018 14:03:12
    From: intraphase@gmail.com


    There are said to be black magic tibetan buddhist monks, the yellow
    caps, or black caps, or green caps, or whatever, what do i know!


    Color field computations.
    The oriental spirit mafia.

    The Zero Quest Game
    It's an information based game.
    Create enough unique information and survive.
    You have loads of info shields and shells.
    https://youtu.be/5n_3mnJfHzY?t=2368

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  • From einsiedlerkrebs@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, December 05, 2018 14:04:12
    From: rainbowguardian@web.de

    Am 04.12.2018 um 09:52 schrieb slider:
    rainbowguardian wrote...

    You two guys are doing black magic!
    Force and Control and Power ower situations or people or dreams or
    whtever i experienced by others onto me as black magic, but what do i
    know, maybe cc is right and everythings normal people do is also black
    magic, since everybodys got some power, even if it is only the power
    of love!

    ### - you consider lucid dreaming to be black magic?

    the tibetan buddhists use/teach lucid dreaming as an important part of
    their path to self-realisation and emancipation, so how could liberation
    of the spirit be black magic?

    There are said to be black magic tibetan buddhist monks, the yellow
    caps, or black caps, or green caps, or whatever, what do i know!


    cc called the 'type' of lucid dreaming (WILDs) we're discussing to be: 'dreaming awake' or 'heightened awareness'; an intrinsic part of freeing/liberating one's awareness from the social collective and/or
    from the social convention that keeps everyone obsessively nailed-down
    to one spot in awareness only, the result of which is self-evidentially
    a slowly dying world... that it's our fellow man and his obsessive manipulation of the known (on that one spot) that makes
    them/turns-them-into 'black magicians'


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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, December 05, 2018 22:23:47
    From: slider@anashram.com

    rainbowguardian wrote...

    You two guys are doing black magic!
    Force and Control and Power ower situations or people or dreams or
    whtever i experienced by others onto me as black magic, but what do i
    know, maybe cc is right and everythings normal people do is also black
    magic, since everybodys got some power, even if it is only the power
    of love!
    ### - you consider lucid dreaming to be black magic?
    the tibetan buddhists use/teach lucid dreaming as an important part of
    their path to self-realisation and emancipation, so how could
    liberation of the spirit be black magic?

    There are said to be black magic tibetan buddhist monks, the yellow
    caps, or black caps, or green caps, or whatever, what do i know!

    ### - yeah, i heard that too... such info coming from the now defunct theosophical society (alice bailey/dion fortune et al, all of which i read/studied in my youth...) and were reputedly ultimately responsible for
    all those cheap adverts in the newspapers for magical amulets to make
    people rich and to release the powers of the mind etc etc, those naughty black-buddhists in tibet haha, which may or may not all be true but which
    is more likely an invention of the theosophists themselves claiming their teachings were coming from some mysterious lama, each one of alice
    bailey's books opening with a message from some 'tibetan master' for
    example...

    however, one look at the dalai lama and you know he's not involved in some obscure sect of spiteful/material-buddhists (an oxymoron), WILDing (and
    lucid dreaming generally) being considered by them to be an advanced form
    of meditation important to their survival after death & reincarnation...

    i wouldn't worry about it Bob, the genuine tibetans are ok and are not interested in such things :)





    cc called the 'type' of lucid dreaming (WILDs) we're discussing to be:
    'dreaming awake' or 'heightened awareness'; an intrinsic part of
    freeing/liberating one's awareness from the social collective and/or
    from the social convention that keeps everyone obsessively nailed-down
    to one spot in awareness only, the result of which is self-evidentially
    a slowly dying world... that it's our fellow man and his obsessive
    manipulation of the known (on that one spot) that makes
    them/turns-them-into 'black magicians'




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  • From einsiedlerkrebs@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, December 06, 2018 05:02:31
    From: rainbowguardian@web.de

    Am 05.12.2018 um 22:23 schrieb slider:

    rainbowguardian wrote...

    You two guys are doing black magic!
    Force and Control and Power ower situations or people or dreams or
    whtever i experienced by others onto me as black magic, but what do
    i know, maybe cc is right and everythings normal people do is also
    black magic, since everybodys got some power, even if it is only the
    power of love!
     ### - you consider lucid dreaming to be black magic?
     the tibetan buddhists use/teach lucid dreaming as an important part
    of their path to self-realisation and emancipation, so how could
    liberation of the spirit be black magic?

    There are said to be black magic tibetan buddhist monks, the yellow
    caps, or black caps, or green caps, or whatever, what do i know!

    ### - yeah, i heard that too... such info coming from the now defunct theosophical society (alice bailey/dion fortune et al, all of which i read/studied in my youth...) and were reputedly ultimately responsible
    for all those cheap adverts in the newspapers for magical amulets to
    make people rich and to release the powers of the mind etc etc, those
    naughty black-buddhists in tibet haha, which may or may not all be true
    but which is more likely an invention of the theosophists themselves
    claiming their teachings were coming from some mysterious lama, each one
    of alice bailey's books opening with a message from some 'tibetan
    master' for example...

    however, one look at the dalai lama and you know he's not involved in
    some obscure sect of spiteful/material-buddhists (an oxymoron), WILDing
    (and lucid dreaming generally) being considered by them to be an
    advanced form of meditation important to their survival after death & reincarnation...

    i wouldn't worry about it Bob, the genuine tibetans are ok and are not interested in such things :)





     cc called the 'type' of lucid dreaming (WILDs) we're discussing to
    be: 'dreaming awake' or 'heightened awareness'; an intrinsic part of
    freeing/liberating one's awareness from the social collective and/or
    from the social convention that keeps everyone obsessively
    nailed-down to one spot in awareness only, the result of which is
    self-evidentially a slowly dying world... that it's our fellow man
    and his obsessive manipulation of the known (on that one spot) that
    makes them/turns-them-into 'black magicians'





    There seems to be a ritual in tibetan buddhism where high monks try to
    get rid of thier sexuality in order to live a chastate life. This
    involves a young girl and some sexual ritual. Baba Ram Dass speaks of
    that in his books and he's a trustworthy source! Just for an example!

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to rainbowguardian@web.de on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 14:08:44
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 13:04:12 +0100, einsiedlerkrebs
    <rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:

    Am 04.12.2018 um 09:52 schrieb slider:
    rainbowguardian wrote...

    You two guys are doing black magic!
    Force and Control and Power ower situations or people or dreams or
    whtever i experienced by others onto me as black magic, but what do i
    know, maybe cc is right and everythings normal people do is also black
    magic, since everybodys got some power, even if it is only the power
    of love!

    ### - you consider lucid dreaming to be black magic?

    the tibetan buddhists use/teach lucid dreaming as an important part of
    their path to self-realisation and emancipation, so how could liberation
    of the spirit be black magic?

    There are said to be black magic tibetan buddhist monks, the yellow
    caps, or black caps, or green caps, or whatever, what do i know!

    Not a lot, that is true :)



    cc called the 'type' of lucid dreaming (WILDs) we're discussing to be:
    'dreaming awake' or 'heightened awareness'; an intrinsic part of
    freeing/liberating one's awareness from the social collective and/or
    from the social convention that keeps everyone obsessively nailed-down
    to one spot in awareness only, the result of which is self-evidentially
    a slowly dying world... that it's our fellow man and his obsessive
    manipulation of the known (on that one spot) that makes
    them/turns-them-into 'black magicians'

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