I posted a challenge on 21 May as follows:
Nope, $50 there is no major conflagration between Israel and Iran in
the next 6 months. By that, I mean directly between two nations, not
in between in Syria.
Your response was:
### - 6 months is VERY generous!
you're on! :)
Brian, the 6 month anniversary will be on 21 November, in precisely
three (3) weeks. I look forward to it, because there is slim to zero
chance of a "major conflagration between Israel and Iran" in the next
three weeks, in fact, ever.
Get your bitcoin ready mate, I'll give you my wallet creds in three
weeks time. I'll spend your money, my winnings, wisely :)
Lol...
Nope, $50 there is no major conflagration between Israel and Iran in
the next 6 months. By that, I mean directly between two nations, not
in between in Syria.
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 06:23:34 -0000, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
I posted a challenge on 21 May as follows:
Nope, $50 there is no major conflagration between Israel and Iran in
the next 6 months. By that, I mean directly between two nations, not
in between in Syria.
Your response was:
### - 6 months is VERY generous!
you're on! :)
Brian, the 6 month anniversary will be on 21 November, in precisely
three (3) weeks. I look forward to it, because there is slim to zero
chance of a "major conflagration between Israel and Iran" in the next
three weeks, in fact, ever.
Get your bitcoin ready mate, I'll give you my wallet creds in three
weeks time. I'll spend your money, my winnings, wisely :)
Lol...
TV report: Israel silent as Iran hit by computer virus more violent than >Stuxnet
Tehran strategic networks attacked, Hadashot TV says, hours after Israel >revealed it tipped off Denmark about Iran murder plot, and days after >Rouhani’s phone was found bugged
https://www.timesofisrael.com/tv-report-israel-silent-as-iran-hit-by-computer-virus-more-violent-than-stuxnet/
Iranian infrastructure and strategic networks have come under attack in
the last few days by a computer virus similar to Stuxnet but “more
violent, more advanced and more sophisticated,” and Israeli officials are >refusing to discuss what role, if any, they may have had in the operation,
an Israeli TV report said Wednesday.
The report came hours after Israel said its Mossad intelligence agency had >thwarted an Iranian murder plot in Denmark, and two days after Iran >acknowledged that President Hassan Rouhani’s mobile phone had been bugged. >It also follows a string of Israeli intelligence coups against Iran, >including the extraction from Tehran in January by the Mossad of the
contents of a vast archive documenting Iran’s nuclear weapons program, and >the detailing by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the UN in September
of other alleged Iranian nuclear and missile assets inside Iran, in Syria
and in Lebanon.
“Remember Stuxnet, the virus that penetrated the computers of the Iranian >nuclear industry?” the report on Israel’s Hadashot news asked. Iran “has >admitted in the past few days that it is again facing a similar attack,
from a more violent, more advanced and more sophisticated virus than
before, that has hit infrastructure and strategic networks.”
The Iranians, the TV report went on, are “not admitting, of course, how >much damage has been caused.”
On Sunday, Gholamreza Jalali, the head of Iran’s civil defense agency,
said Tehran had neutralized a new version of Stuxnet, Reuters reported. >“Recently we discovered a new generation of Stuxnet which consisted of >several parts … and was trying to enter our systems,” Jalali said.
The Stuxnet virus was uncovered some eight years ago, and was widely
reported to have been developed together by US and Israeli intelligence.
It penetrated Iran’s rogue nuclear program, taking control and sabotaging >parts of its enrichment processes by speeding up its centrifuges.
Netanyahu is adamant that the Iranian regime remains determined to attain
a nuclear weapons arsenal, and has bitterly opposed the P5+1 powers’ 2015 >deal with Iran. US President Donald Trump, with whom Netanyahu is closely >allied, withdrew from the accord in May.
Referring to Stuxnet, Wednesday’s TV report noted that “in the past, the >US and Israel have been alleged to have worked together on operations.” >Trying to establish whether Israel had any role in the latest cyberattack, >the TV report said: “We’ve tried to clarify here. They’re refusing to >comment.”
The TV report noted that “behind the scenes lately, the Mossad,” under its >director Yossi Cohen, has been “fighting a real shadow war.”
Without attributing responsibility to the Mossad, the report mentioned the >tapping of Rouhani’s phone, noting that the Iranians “had to switch it for >an encrypted model because they understand that someone has been listening
to him for days and weeks.”
On Sunday, Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei urged intensified >efforts to counter enemy “infiltration,” Reuters said.
In a speech to officials in charge of cyber defense, Khamenei said: “In
the face of the enemy’s complex practices, our civil defense should… >confront infiltration through scientific, accurate, and up-to-date… >action,” the report said, quoting Iranian state TV.
Earlier Wednesday, Israeli officials said the Mossad provided its Danish >counterpart with information concerning an alleged plot by Tehran to >assassinate three Iranian opposition figures living in the Scandinavian >country. According to the officials, the Mossad gave Denmark information >about a plot to kill three Iranians suspected of belonging to the
anti-regime Arab Struggle Movement for the Liberation of Ahvaz.
The intelligence reportedly provided by the Mossad prompted the arrest of
a Norwegian national of Iranian origin earlier this month. Denmark on
Tuesday recalled its ambassador to Iran over the incident.
“What Iran hides, Israel will find,” Netanyahu declared in his September >UN speech.
### - quote: "The TV report noted that “behind the scenes lately, the >Mossad,” under its director Yossi Cohen, has been “fighting a real shadow >war.”
heh :)
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 07:05:45 -0000, slider <slider@atashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 06:23:34 -0000, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
I posted a challenge on 21 May as follows:
Nope, $50 there is no major conflagration between Israel and Iran in
the next 6 months. By that, I mean directly between two nations, not
in between in Syria.
Your response was:
### - 6 months is VERY generous!
you're on! :)
Brian, the 6 month anniversary will be on 21 November, in precisely
three (3) weeks. I look forward to it, because there is slim to zero
chance of a "major conflagration between Israel and Iran" in the next
three weeks, in fact, ever.
Get your bitcoin ready mate, I'll give you my wallet creds in three
weeks time. I'll spend your money, my winnings, wisely :)
Lol...
TV report: Israel silent as Iran hit by computer virus more violent than
Stuxnet
Tehran strategic networks attacked, Hadashot TV says, hours after Israel
revealed it tipped off Denmark about Iran murder plot, and days after
Rouhani’s phone was found bugged
https://www.timesofisrael.com/tv-report-israel-silent-as-iran-hit-by-computer-virus-more-violent-than-stuxnet/
Iranian infrastructure and strategic networks have come under attack in
the last few days by a computer virus similar to Stuxnet but “more
violent, more advanced and more sophisticated,” and Israeli officials
are
refusing to discuss what role, if any, they may have had in the
operation,
an Israeli TV report said Wednesday.
The report came hours after Israel said its Mossad intelligence agency
had
thwarted an Iranian murder plot in Denmark, and two days after Iran
acknowledged that President Hassan Rouhani’s mobile phone had been
bugged.
It also follows a string of Israeli intelligence coups against Iran,
including the extraction from Tehran in January by the Mossad of the
contents of a vast archive documenting Iran’s nuclear weapons program,
and
the detailing by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the UN in
September
of other alleged Iranian nuclear and missile assets inside Iran, in
Syria
and in Lebanon.
“Remember Stuxnet, the virus that penetrated the computers of the
Iranian
nuclear industry?” the report on Israel’s Hadashot news asked. Iran “has
admitted in the past few days that it is again facing a similar attack,
from a more violent, more advanced and more sophisticated virus than
before, that has hit infrastructure and strategic networks.”
The Iranians, the TV report went on, are “not admitting, of course, how
much damage has been caused.”
On Sunday, Gholamreza Jalali, the head of Iran’s civil defense agency,
said Tehran had neutralized a new version of Stuxnet, Reuters reported.
“Recently we discovered a new generation of Stuxnet which consisted of
several parts … and was trying to enter our systems,” Jalali said.
The Stuxnet virus was uncovered some eight years ago, and was widely
reported to have been developed together by US and Israeli intelligence.
It penetrated Iran’s rogue nuclear program, taking control and
sabotaging
parts of its enrichment processes by speeding up its centrifuges.
Netanyahu is adamant that the Iranian regime remains determined to
attain
a nuclear weapons arsenal, and has bitterly opposed the P5+1 powers’
2015
deal with Iran. US President Donald Trump, with whom Netanyahu is
closely
allied, withdrew from the accord in May.
Referring to Stuxnet, Wednesday’s TV report noted that “in the past, the >> US and Israel have been alleged to have worked together on operations.”
Trying to establish whether Israel had any role in the latest
cyberattack,
the TV report said: “We’ve tried to clarify here. They’re refusing to >> comment.”
The TV report noted that “behind the scenes lately, the Mossad,” under >> its
director Yossi Cohen, has been “fighting a real shadow war.”
Without attributing responsibility to the Mossad, the report mentioned
the
tapping of Rouhani’s phone, noting that the Iranians “had to switch it >> for
an encrypted model because they understand that someone has been
listening
to him for days and weeks.”
On Sunday, Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei urged
intensified
efforts to counter enemy “infiltration,” Reuters said.
In a speech to officials in charge of cyber defense, Khamenei said: “In
the face of the enemy’s complex practices, our civil defense should…
confront infiltration through scientific, accurate, and up-to-date…
action,” the report said, quoting Iranian state TV.
Earlier Wednesday, Israeli officials said the Mossad provided its Danish
counterpart with information concerning an alleged plot by Tehran to
assassinate three Iranian opposition figures living in the Scandinavian
country. According to the officials, the Mossad gave Denmark information
about a plot to kill three Iranians suspected of belonging to the
anti-regime Arab Struggle Movement for the Liberation of Ahvaz.
The intelligence reportedly provided by the Mossad prompted the arrest
of
a Norwegian national of Iranian origin earlier this month. Denmark on
Tuesday recalled its ambassador to Iran over the incident.
“What Iran hides, Israel will find,” Netanyahu declared in his September >> UN speech.
### - quote: "The TV report noted that “behind the scenes lately, the
Mossad,” under its director Yossi Cohen, has been “fighting a real
shadow
war.”
heh :)
What do you mean "heh"? We have a wager and you as a betting man
would know the meaning of that.
You still have 3 weeks - anything could happen. I could be wrong and
if so, I will be the first to accept it - if, that is, there is any
internet left.
The odds are that the "conflagration" won't happen in that short time
though. Which means, I win and you lose. If that's the case, then
you pay me. Simple as that.
If I'm wrong, and there is any internet left, or even a London or a
Perth, then I'll pay you. I'll need to help you establish a wallet
first, then I'll drop $50 in bitcoin in for you (which will be a small fraction of one btc).
I expect you to treat this wager as a controlled racing wager, except
there you pay the totalisator up front. Just a timing difference :)
Let's see what happens.
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 08:34:47 -0000, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 07:05:45 -0000, slider <slider@atashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 06:23:34 -0000, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
I posted a challenge on 21 May as follows:
Nope, $50 there is no major conflagration between Israel and Iran in >>>>> the next 6 months. By that, I mean directly between two nations, not >>>>> in between in Syria.
Your response was:
### - 6 months is VERY generous!
you're on! :)
Brian, the 6 month anniversary will be on 21 November, in precisely
three (3) weeks. I look forward to it, because there is slim to zero
chance of a "major conflagration between Israel and Iran" in the next
three weeks, in fact, ever.
Get your bitcoin ready mate, I'll give you my wallet creds in three
weeks time. I'll spend your money, my winnings, wisely :)
Lol...
TV report: Israel silent as Iran hit by computer virus more violent than >>> Stuxnet
Tehran strategic networks attacked, Hadashot TV says, hours after Israel >>> revealed it tipped off Denmark about Iran murder plot, and days after
Rouhani’s phone was found bugged
https://www.timesofisrael.com/tv-report-israel-silent-as-iran-hit-by-computer-virus-more-violent-than-stuxnet/
Iranian infrastructure and strategic networks have come under attack in
the last few days by a computer virus similar to Stuxnet but “more
violent, more advanced and more sophisticated,” and Israeli officials
are
refusing to discuss what role, if any, they may have had in the
operation,
an Israeli TV report said Wednesday.
The report came hours after Israel said its Mossad intelligence agency
had
thwarted an Iranian murder plot in Denmark, and two days after Iran
acknowledged that President Hassan Rouhani’s mobile phone had been
bugged.
It also follows a string of Israeli intelligence coups against Iran,
including the extraction from Tehran in January by the Mossad of the
contents of a vast archive documenting Iran’s nuclear weapons program, >>> and
the detailing by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the UN in
September
of other alleged Iranian nuclear and missile assets inside Iran, in
Syria
and in Lebanon.
“Remember Stuxnet, the virus that penetrated the computers of the
Iranian
nuclear industry?” the report on Israel’s Hadashot news asked. Iran “has
admitted in the past few days that it is again facing a similar attack,
from a more violent, more advanced and more sophisticated virus than
before, that has hit infrastructure and strategic networks.”
The Iranians, the TV report went on, are “not admitting, of course, how >>> much damage has been caused.”
On Sunday, Gholamreza Jalali, the head of Iran’s civil defense agency, >>> said Tehran had neutralized a new version of Stuxnet, Reuters reported.
“Recently we discovered a new generation of Stuxnet which consisted of >>> several parts … and was trying to enter our systems,” Jalali said.
The Stuxnet virus was uncovered some eight years ago, and was widely
reported to have been developed together by US and Israeli intelligence. >>> It penetrated Iran’s rogue nuclear program, taking control and
sabotaging
parts of its enrichment processes by speeding up its centrifuges.
Netanyahu is adamant that the Iranian regime remains determined to
attain
a nuclear weapons arsenal, and has bitterly opposed the P5+1 powers’
2015
deal with Iran. US President Donald Trump, with whom Netanyahu is
closely
allied, withdrew from the accord in May.
Referring to Stuxnet, Wednesday’s TV report noted that “in the past, the
US and Israel have been alleged to have worked together on operations.” >>> Trying to establish whether Israel had any role in the latest
cyberattack,
the TV report said: “We’ve tried to clarify here. They’re refusing to >>> comment.”
The TV report noted that “behind the scenes lately, the Mossad,” under >>> its
director Yossi Cohen, has been “fighting a real shadow war.”
Without attributing responsibility to the Mossad, the report mentioned
the
tapping of Rouhani’s phone, noting that the Iranians “had to switch it >>> for
an encrypted model because they understand that someone has been
listening
to him for days and weeks.”
On Sunday, Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei urged
intensified
efforts to counter enemy “infiltration,” Reuters said.
In a speech to officials in charge of cyber defense, Khamenei said: “In >>> the face of the enemy’s complex practices, our civil defense should… >>> confront infiltration through scientific, accurate, and up-to-date…
action,” the report said, quoting Iranian state TV.
Earlier Wednesday, Israeli officials said the Mossad provided its Danish >>> counterpart with information concerning an alleged plot by Tehran to
assassinate three Iranian opposition figures living in the Scandinavian
country. According to the officials, the Mossad gave Denmark information >>> about a plot to kill three Iranians suspected of belonging to the
anti-regime Arab Struggle Movement for the Liberation of Ahvaz.
The intelligence reportedly provided by the Mossad prompted the arrest
of
a Norwegian national of Iranian origin earlier this month. Denmark on
Tuesday recalled its ambassador to Iran over the incident.
“What Iran hides, Israel will find,” Netanyahu declared in his September
UN speech.
### - quote: "The TV report noted that “behind the scenes lately, the
Mossad,” under its director Yossi Cohen, has been “fighting a real
shadow
war.”
heh :)
What do you mean "heh"? We have a wager and you as a betting man
would know the meaning of that.
You still have 3 weeks - anything could happen. I could be wrong and
if so, I will be the first to accept it - if, that is, there is any
internet left.
The odds are that the "conflagration" won't happen in that short time
though. Which means, I win and you lose. If that's the case, then
you pay me. Simple as that.
If I'm wrong, and there is any internet left, or even a London or a
Perth, then I'll pay you. I'll need to help you establish a wallet
first, then I'll drop $50 in bitcoin in for you (which will be a small
fraction of one btc).
I expect you to treat this wager as a controlled racing wager, except
there you pay the totalisator up front. Just a timing difference :)
Let's see what happens.
### - i need an extension! (really laffing...) but will pay-up if you hold
me to the particular time-frame :)
in fact, am always surprised just 'how long' things usually take to get >going? and which is why 6-months seemed like a long time to moi...
e.g., it was 10-weeks after the uk first declared war on germany that >anything war-like actually happened (can't remember off-hand what it was
now, some train incident in europe or maybe a shipping incident) and which >was defo the calm before the proverbial storm hah!
i still think it 'will' inevitably happen though, as do both of those same
2 nations according to themselves... the quotes from that follow-up
article posted separately confirming this:
"Initially, Iran has waged war against Israel primarily by proxies. It >envisions military actions causing exhaustion to the civilian population.
In the 1980s, Iran trained and armed the Hezbollah, a Shi’ite militia in >Lebanon, directing its military efforts to oust Israel from South Lebanon. >Moreover, Iran has supplied more than 120,000 missiles of various ranges
to Hezbollah, which cover most of Israel. The declared goal still is “to >liberate Jerusalem from Zionist rule.” In the meantime, Hezbollah has >assumed control of Lebanon, turning the country into an Iranian satrapy."
"It is an illusion that Iran’s nuclear ambitions can be curbed by >international agreements. The bomb is the best insurance for regime
survival and for achieving hegemony in the region. It is inconceivable
that the mullahs will give it up. As the international community,
including the US, has no appetite for a military confrontation with Iran,
it is left to Israel to prevent its nuclearization. The only way to do it
is by brute force, adding a new dimension to the war conducted already >against Iran. This is an inevitable imperative for Jerusalem."
particularly (and this from the jews themselves):
"The only way to do it is by brute force, adding a new dimension to the
war conducted *already against Iran.* This is an inevitable imperative for >Jerusalem."
***
iow: they're 'already' at war! and is thus only a matter of time before it >all spills-over into an open conflagration when one side or the other
decides they've had enough of all this tip-toeing around each other...
israel repeatedly blowin' the shit outta iran in syria with something now >like 200 incidents to date, pushing iran to the very brink of committing
some kinda serious retaliation...
it will happen! anyone knowing the history of jerusalem will also
understand why!
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 13:44:33 -0000, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 08:34:47 -0000, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 07:05:45 -0000, slider <slider@atashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 06:23:34 -0000, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
I posted a challenge on 21 May as follows:
Nope, $50 there is no major conflagration between Israel and Iran in >>>>>> the next 6 months. By that, I mean directly between two nations,
not
in between in Syria.
Your response was:
### - 6 months is VERY generous!
you're on! :)
Brian, the 6 month anniversary will be on 21 November, in precisely
three (3) weeks. I look forward to it, because there is slim to zero >>>>> chance of a "major conflagration between Israel and Iran" in the next >>>>> three weeks, in fact, ever.
Get your bitcoin ready mate, I'll give you my wallet creds in three
weeks time. I'll spend your money, my winnings, wisely :)
Lol...
TV report: Israel silent as Iran hit by computer virus more violent
than
Stuxnet
Tehran strategic networks attacked, Hadashot TV says, hours after
Israel
revealed it tipped off Denmark about Iran murder plot, and days after
Rouhani’s phone was found bugged
https://www.timesofisrael.com/tv-report-israel-silent-as-iran-hit-by-computer-virus-more-violent-than-stuxnet/
Iranian infrastructure and strategic networks have come under attack
in
the last few days by a computer virus similar to Stuxnet but “more
violent, more advanced and more sophisticated,” and Israeli officials >>>> are
refusing to discuss what role, if any, they may have had in the
operation,
an Israeli TV report said Wednesday.
The report came hours after Israel said its Mossad intelligence agency >>>> had
thwarted an Iranian murder plot in Denmark, and two days after Iran
acknowledged that President Hassan Rouhani’s mobile phone had been
bugged.
It also follows a string of Israeli intelligence coups against Iran,
including the extraction from Tehran in January by the Mossad of the
contents of a vast archive documenting Iran’s nuclear weapons program, >>>> and
the detailing by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the UN in
September
of other alleged Iranian nuclear and missile assets inside Iran, in
Syria
and in Lebanon.
“Remember Stuxnet, the virus that penetrated the computers of the
Iranian
nuclear industry?” the report on Israel’s Hadashot news asked. Iran >>>> “has
admitted in the past few days that it is again facing a similar
attack,
from a more violent, more advanced and more sophisticated virus than
before, that has hit infrastructure and strategic networks.”
The Iranians, the TV report went on, are “not admitting, of course,
how
much damage has been caused.”
On Sunday, Gholamreza Jalali, the head of Iran’s civil defense agency, >>>> said Tehran had neutralized a new version of Stuxnet, Reuters
reported.
“Recently we discovered a new generation of Stuxnet which consisted of >>>> several parts … and was trying to enter our systems,” Jalali said. >>>>
The Stuxnet virus was uncovered some eight years ago, and was widely
reported to have been developed together by US and Israeli
intelligence.
It penetrated Iran’s rogue nuclear program, taking control and
sabotaging
parts of its enrichment processes by speeding up its centrifuges.
Netanyahu is adamant that the Iranian regime remains determined to
attain
a nuclear weapons arsenal, and has bitterly opposed the P5+1 powers’ >>>> 2015
deal with Iran. US President Donald Trump, with whom Netanyahu is
closely
allied, withdrew from the accord in May.
Referring to Stuxnet, Wednesday’s TV report noted that “in the past, >>>> the
US and Israel have been alleged to have worked together on
operations.”
Trying to establish whether Israel had any role in the latest
cyberattack,
the TV report said: “We’ve tried to clarify here. They’re refusing to
comment.”
The TV report noted that “behind the scenes lately, the Mossad,” under >>>> its
director Yossi Cohen, has been “fighting a real shadow war.”
Without attributing responsibility to the Mossad, the report mentioned >>>> the
tapping of Rouhani’s phone, noting that the Iranians “had to switch it >>>> for
an encrypted model because they understand that someone has been
listening
to him for days and weeks.”
On Sunday, Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei urged
intensified
efforts to counter enemy “infiltration,” Reuters said.
In a speech to officials in charge of cyber defense, Khamenei said:
“In
the face of the enemy’s complex practices, our civil defense should… >>>> confront infiltration through scientific, accurate, and up-to-date…
action,” the report said, quoting Iranian state TV.
Earlier Wednesday, Israeli officials said the Mossad provided its
Danish
counterpart with information concerning an alleged plot by Tehran to
assassinate three Iranian opposition figures living in the
Scandinavian
country. According to the officials, the Mossad gave Denmark
information
about a plot to kill three Iranians suspected of belonging to the
anti-regime Arab Struggle Movement for the Liberation of Ahvaz.
The intelligence reportedly provided by the Mossad prompted the arrest >>>> of
a Norwegian national of Iranian origin earlier this month. Denmark on
Tuesday recalled its ambassador to Iran over the incident.
“What Iran hides, Israel will find,” Netanyahu declared in his
September
UN speech.
### - quote: "The TV report noted that “behind the scenes lately, the >>>> Mossad,” under its director Yossi Cohen, has been “fighting a real >>>> shadow
war.”
heh :)
What do you mean "heh"? We have a wager and you as a betting man
would know the meaning of that.
You still have 3 weeks - anything could happen. I could be wrong and
if so, I will be the first to accept it - if, that is, there is any
internet left.
The odds are that the "conflagration" won't happen in that short time
though. Which means, I win and you lose. If that's the case, then
you pay me. Simple as that.
If I'm wrong, and there is any internet left, or even a London or a
Perth, then I'll pay you. I'll need to help you establish a wallet
first, then I'll drop $50 in bitcoin in for you (which will be a small
fraction of one btc).
I expect you to treat this wager as a controlled racing wager, except
there you pay the totalisator up front. Just a timing difference :)
Let's see what happens.
### - i need an extension! (really laffing...) but will pay-up if you
hold
me to the particular time-frame :)
Good to know. Some people of honour still around...
in fact, am always surprised just 'how long' things usually take to get
going? and which is why 6-months seemed like a long time to moi...
This is true. I might just forgive the debt on that basis. Time is a constant in the physical universe but as far as human consciousness is concerned, it's anything *but* a constant.
And who knows, the conflagration could still occur. In the long run,
it's difficult to see how the Israeli/Saudi alliance can forgo a first
strike on Iran.
e.g., it was 10-weeks after the uk first declared war on germany that
anything war-like actually happened (can't remember off-hand what it was
now, some train incident in europe or maybe a shipping incident) and
which
was defo the calm before the proverbial storm hah!
That war started when Chamberlain permitted the Czech overthrow. And
the Austrian overthrow. Poland was a step too far however, and
September 1939 is the official start of the most destructive war in
human history.
i still think it 'will' inevitably happen though, as do both of those
same
2 nations according to themselves... the quotes from that follow-up
article posted separately confirming this:
I agree with you. The 6 month timing is too short.
"Initially, Iran has waged war against Israel primarily by proxies. It
envisions military actions causing exhaustion to the civilian
population.
In the 1980s, Iran trained and armed the Hezbollah, a Shi’ite militia in >> Lebanon, directing its military efforts to oust Israel from South
Lebanon.
Moreover, Iran has supplied more than 120,000 missiles of various ranges
to Hezbollah, which cover most of Israel. The declared goal still is “to >> liberate Jerusalem from Zionist rule.” In the meantime, Hezbollah has
assumed control of Lebanon, turning the country into an Iranian
satrapy."
"It is an illusion that Iran’s nuclear ambitions can be curbed by
international agreements. The bomb is the best insurance for regime
survival and for achieving hegemony in the region. It is inconceivable
that the mullahs will give it up. As the international community,
including the US, has no appetite for a military confrontation with
Iran,
it is left to Israel to prevent its nuclearization. The only way to do
it
is by brute force, adding a new dimension to the war conducted already
against Iran. This is an inevitable imperative for Jerusalem."
particularly (and this from the jews themselves):
"The only way to do it is by brute force, adding a new dimension to the
war conducted *already against Iran.* This is an inevitable imperative
for
Jerusalem."
If the Persians dedicate themselves to nuclear weapon development,
there is no doubt whatsoever that both Israel and Saudi Arabia will
strike preemptively.
iow: they're 'already' at war! and is thus only a matter of time before
it
all spills-over into an open conflagration when one side or the other
decides they've had enough of all this tip-toeing around each other...
israel repeatedly blowin' the shit outta iran in syria with something
now
like 200 incidents to date, pushing iran to the very brink of committing
some kinda serious retaliation...
it will happen! anyone knowing the history of jerusalem will also
understand why!
Hell I understand why and I'm not a jew or an israeli.
On Fri, 02 Nov 2018 08:47:21 -0000, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 13:44:33 -0000, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 08:34:47 -0000, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 07:05:45 -0000, slider <slider@atashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 06:23:34 -0000, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
I posted a challenge on 21 May as follows:
Nope, $50 there is no major conflagration between Israel and Iran in >>>>>>> the next 6 months. By that, I mean directly between two nations, >>>>>>> not
in between in Syria.
Your response was:
### - 6 months is VERY generous!
you're on! :)
Brian, the 6 month anniversary will be on 21 November, in precisely >>>>>> three (3) weeks. I look forward to it, because there is slim to zero >>>>>> chance of a "major conflagration between Israel and Iran" in the next >>>>>> three weeks, in fact, ever.
Get your bitcoin ready mate, I'll give you my wallet creds in three >>>>>> weeks time. I'll spend your money, my winnings, wisely :)
Lol...
TV report: Israel silent as Iran hit by computer virus more violent
than
Stuxnet
Tehran strategic networks attacked, Hadashot TV says, hours after
Israel
revealed it tipped off Denmark about Iran murder plot, and days after >>>>> Rouhani’s phone was found bugged
https://www.timesofisrael.com/tv-report-israel-silent-as-iran-hit-by-computer-virus-more-violent-than-stuxnet/
Iranian infrastructure and strategic networks have come under attack >>>>> in
the last few days by a computer virus similar to Stuxnet but “more >>>>> violent, more advanced and more sophisticated,” and Israeli officials >>>>> are
refusing to discuss what role, if any, they may have had in the
operation,
an Israeli TV report said Wednesday.
The report came hours after Israel said its Mossad intelligence agency >>>>> had
thwarted an Iranian murder plot in Denmark, and two days after Iran
acknowledged that President Hassan Rouhani’s mobile phone had been >>>>> bugged.
It also follows a string of Israeli intelligence coups against Iran, >>>>> including the extraction from Tehran in January by the Mossad of the >>>>> contents of a vast archive documenting Iran’s nuclear weapons program, >>>>> and
the detailing by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the UN in
September
of other alleged Iranian nuclear and missile assets inside Iran, in
Syria
and in Lebanon.
“Remember Stuxnet, the virus that penetrated the computers of the
Iranian
nuclear industry?” the report on Israel’s Hadashot news asked. Iran >>>>> “has
admitted in the past few days that it is again facing a similar
attack,
from a more violent, more advanced and more sophisticated virus than >>>>> before, that has hit infrastructure and strategic networks.”
The Iranians, the TV report went on, are “not admitting, of course, >>>>> how
much damage has been caused.”
On Sunday, Gholamreza Jalali, the head of Iran’s civil defense agency, >>>>> said Tehran had neutralized a new version of Stuxnet, Reuters
reported.
“Recently we discovered a new generation of Stuxnet which consisted of >>>>> several parts … and was trying to enter our systems,” Jalali said. >>>>>
The Stuxnet virus was uncovered some eight years ago, and was widely >>>>> reported to have been developed together by US and Israeli
intelligence.
It penetrated Iran’s rogue nuclear program, taking control and
sabotaging
parts of its enrichment processes by speeding up its centrifuges.
Netanyahu is adamant that the Iranian regime remains determined to
attain
a nuclear weapons arsenal, and has bitterly opposed the P5+1 powers’ >>>>> 2015
deal with Iran. US President Donald Trump, with whom Netanyahu is
closely
allied, withdrew from the accord in May.
Referring to Stuxnet, Wednesday’s TV report noted that “in the past, >>>>> the
US and Israel have been alleged to have worked together on
operations.”
Trying to establish whether Israel had any role in the latest
cyberattack,
the TV report said: “We’ve tried to clarify here. They’re refusing to
comment.”
The TV report noted that “behind the scenes lately, the Mossad,” under
its
director Yossi Cohen, has been “fighting a real shadow war.”
Without attributing responsibility to the Mossad, the report mentioned >>>>> the
tapping of Rouhani’s phone, noting that the Iranians “had to switch it
for
an encrypted model because they understand that someone has been
listening
to him for days and weeks.”
On Sunday, Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei urged
intensified
efforts to counter enemy “infiltration,” Reuters said.
In a speech to officials in charge of cyber defense, Khamenei said:
“In
the face of the enemy’s complex practices, our civil defense should… >>>>> confront infiltration through scientific, accurate, and up-to-date… >>>>> action,” the report said, quoting Iranian state TV.
Earlier Wednesday, Israeli officials said the Mossad provided its
Danish
counterpart with information concerning an alleged plot by Tehran to >>>>> assassinate three Iranian opposition figures living in the
Scandinavian
country. According to the officials, the Mossad gave Denmark
information
about a plot to kill three Iranians suspected of belonging to the
anti-regime Arab Struggle Movement for the Liberation of Ahvaz.
The intelligence reportedly provided by the Mossad prompted the arrest >>>>> of
a Norwegian national of Iranian origin earlier this month. Denmark on >>>>> Tuesday recalled its ambassador to Iran over the incident.
“What Iran hides, Israel will find,” Netanyahu declared in his
September
UN speech.
### - quote: "The TV report noted that “behind the scenes lately, the >>>>> Mossad,” under its director Yossi Cohen, has been “fighting a real >>>>> shadow
war.”
heh :)
What do you mean "heh"? We have a wager and you as a betting man
would know the meaning of that.
You still have 3 weeks - anything could happen. I could be wrong and
if so, I will be the first to accept it - if, that is, there is any
internet left.
The odds are that the "conflagration" won't happen in that short time
though. Which means, I win and you lose. If that's the case, then
you pay me. Simple as that.
If I'm wrong, and there is any internet left, or even a London or a
Perth, then I'll pay you. I'll need to help you establish a wallet
first, then I'll drop $50 in bitcoin in for you (which will be a small >>>> fraction of one btc).
I expect you to treat this wager as a controlled racing wager, except
there you pay the totalisator up front. Just a timing difference :)
Let's see what happens.
### - i need an extension! (really laffing...) but will pay-up if you
hold
me to the particular time-frame :)
Good to know. Some people of honour still around...
in fact, am always surprised just 'how long' things usually take to get
going? and which is why 6-months seemed like a long time to moi...
This is true. I might just forgive the debt on that basis. Time is a
constant in the physical universe but as far as human consciousness is
concerned, it's anything *but* a constant.
And who knows, the conflagration could still occur. In the long run,
it's difficult to see how the Israeli/Saudi alliance can forgo a first
strike on Iran.
### - will happily just take an extension, as am sure it's still
inevitably gonna happen at some point, iran needs that nuclear shit just
like korea needed it: to keep the wolves at bay!
e.g., it was 10-weeks after the uk first declared war on germany that
anything war-like actually happened (can't remember off-hand what it was >>> now, some train incident in europe or maybe a shipping incident) and
which
was defo the calm before the proverbial storm hah!
That war started when Chamberlain permitted the Czech overthrow. And
the Austrian overthrow. Poland was a step too far however, and
September 1939 is the official start of the most destructive war in
human history.
### - i know, poland was the red line... but it still took 10-weeks for >anything to 'actually' happen after chamberlain first declared war on
germany with his: 'we are at war' speech...
i still think it 'will' inevitably happen though, as do both of those
same
2 nations according to themselves... the quotes from that follow-up
article posted separately confirming this:
I agree with you. The 6 month timing is too short.
"Initially, Iran has waged war against Israel primarily by proxies. It
envisions military actions causing exhaustion to the civilian
population.
In the 1980s, Iran trained and armed the Hezbollah, a Shi’ite militia in >>> Lebanon, directing its military efforts to oust Israel from South
Lebanon.
Moreover, Iran has supplied more than 120,000 missiles of various ranges >>> to Hezbollah, which cover most of Israel. The declared goal still is “to >>> liberate Jerusalem from Zionist rule.” In the meantime, Hezbollah has
assumed control of Lebanon, turning the country into an Iranian
satrapy."
"It is an illusion that Iran’s nuclear ambitions can be curbed by
international agreements. The bomb is the best insurance for regime
survival and for achieving hegemony in the region. It is inconceivable
that the mullahs will give it up. As the international community,
including the US, has no appetite for a military confrontation with
Iran,
it is left to Israel to prevent its nuclearization. The only way to do
it
is by brute force, adding a new dimension to the war conducted already
against Iran. This is an inevitable imperative for Jerusalem."
particularly (and this from the jews themselves):
"The only way to do it is by brute force, adding a new dimension to the
war conducted *already against Iran.* This is an inevitable imperative
for
Jerusalem."
If the Persians dedicate themselves to nuclear weapon development,
there is no doubt whatsoever that both Israel and Saudi Arabia will
strike preemptively.
### - agreed, and because they've already dedicated themselves to having >nuclear power stations while we're still trying to keep 'em in the dark
ages, while israel alone has the bomb they felt safe enough (and which is
why it was given to them in the first place) but know it'll be used
against them if any islamic state ever gets hold of it...
iow: they're 'already' at war! and is thus only a matter of time before
it
all spills-over into an open conflagration when one side or the other
decides they've had enough of all this tip-toeing around each other...
israel repeatedly blowin' the shit outta iran in syria with something
now
like 200 incidents to date, pushing iran to the very brink of committing >>> some kinda serious retaliation...
it will happen! anyone knowing the history of jerusalem will also
understand why!
Hell I understand why and I'm not a jew or an israeli.
### - don't have to be a jew to like/study history heh... the history of >jerusalem speaks for itself and has changed hands many times back & forth >between all 3 parties since roman times and before, the only time it
wasn't a total slaughter being when richard the lionheart did a deal with >saladin during the crusades with some kinda agreed partition to the city
(the muslims were allowed to keep the dome on the rock temple for example) >but after Saladin died 6 months later Malik took over and violently took >jerusalem back again (or maybe it was the next one: the islamic version of >rome's caligula lol) with all 3 parties still claiming full possession of >jerusalem to this day!
personally, am surprised they haven't already nuked israel long time, a >couple of well-placed suitcase jobbies would prolly suffice to do the job;
ya gots enough money ya can get anything on the black market right?
and could still happen long before iran ever 'officially' gets anything!
On Fri, 02 Nov 2018 08:47:21 -0000, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 13:44:33 -0000, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 08:34:47 -0000, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 07:05:45 -0000, slider <slider@atashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 06:23:34 -0000, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
I posted a challenge on 21 May as follows:
Nope, $50 there is no major conflagration between Israel and Iran in >>>>>>> the next 6 months. By that, I mean directly between two nations, >>>>>>> not
in between in Syria.
Your response was:
### - 6 months is VERY generous!
you're on! :)
Brian, the 6 month anniversary will be on 21 November, in precisely >>>>>> three (3) weeks. I look forward to it, because there is slim to zero >>>>>> chance of a "major conflagration between Israel and Iran" in the next >>>>>> three weeks, in fact, ever.
Get your bitcoin ready mate, I'll give you my wallet creds in three >>>>>> weeks time. I'll spend your money, my winnings, wisely :)
Lol...
TV report: Israel silent as Iran hit by computer virus more violent
than
Stuxnet
Tehran strategic networks attacked, Hadashot TV says, hours after
Israel
revealed it tipped off Denmark about Iran murder plot, and days after >>>>> Rouhani’s phone was found bugged
https://www.timesofisrael.com/tv-report-israel-silent-as-iran-hit-by-computer-virus-more-violent-than-stuxnet/
Iranian infrastructure and strategic networks have come under attack >>>>> in
the last few days by a computer virus similar to Stuxnet but “more >>>>> violent, more advanced and more sophisticated,” and Israeli officials >>>>> are
refusing to discuss what role, if any, they may have had in the
operation,
an Israeli TV report said Wednesday.
The report came hours after Israel said its Mossad intelligence agency >>>>> had
thwarted an Iranian murder plot in Denmark, and two days after Iran
acknowledged that President Hassan Rouhani’s mobile phone had been >>>>> bugged.
It also follows a string of Israeli intelligence coups against Iran, >>>>> including the extraction from Tehran in January by the Mossad of the >>>>> contents of a vast archive documenting Iran’s nuclear weapons program, >>>>> and
the detailing by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the UN in
September
of other alleged Iranian nuclear and missile assets inside Iran, in
Syria
and in Lebanon.
“Remember Stuxnet, the virus that penetrated the computers of the
Iranian
nuclear industry?” the report on Israel’s Hadashot news asked. Iran >>>>> “has
admitted in the past few days that it is again facing a similar
attack,
from a more violent, more advanced and more sophisticated virus than >>>>> before, that has hit infrastructure and strategic networks.”
The Iranians, the TV report went on, are “not admitting, of course, >>>>> how
much damage has been caused.”
On Sunday, Gholamreza Jalali, the head of Iran’s civil defense agency, >>>>> said Tehran had neutralized a new version of Stuxnet, Reuters
reported.
“Recently we discovered a new generation of Stuxnet which consisted of >>>>> several parts … and was trying to enter our systems,” Jalali said. >>>>>
The Stuxnet virus was uncovered some eight years ago, and was widely >>>>> reported to have been developed together by US and Israeli
intelligence.
It penetrated Iran’s rogue nuclear program, taking control and
sabotaging
parts of its enrichment processes by speeding up its centrifuges.
Netanyahu is adamant that the Iranian regime remains determined to
attain
a nuclear weapons arsenal, and has bitterly opposed the P5+1 powers’ >>>>> 2015
deal with Iran. US President Donald Trump, with whom Netanyahu is
closely
allied, withdrew from the accord in May.
Referring to Stuxnet, Wednesday’s TV report noted that “in the past, >>>>> the
US and Israel have been alleged to have worked together on
operations.”
Trying to establish whether Israel had any role in the latest
cyberattack,
the TV report said: “We’ve tried to clarify here. They’re refusing to
comment.”
The TV report noted that “behind the scenes lately, the Mossad,” under
its
director Yossi Cohen, has been “fighting a real shadow war.”
Without attributing responsibility to the Mossad, the report mentioned >>>>> the
tapping of Rouhani’s phone, noting that the Iranians “had to switch it
for
an encrypted model because they understand that someone has been
listening
to him for days and weeks.”
On Sunday, Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei urged
intensified
efforts to counter enemy “infiltration,” Reuters said.
In a speech to officials in charge of cyber defense, Khamenei said:
“In
the face of the enemy’s complex practices, our civil defense should… >>>>> confront infiltration through scientific, accurate, and up-to-date… >>>>> action,” the report said, quoting Iranian state TV.
Earlier Wednesday, Israeli officials said the Mossad provided its
Danish
counterpart with information concerning an alleged plot by Tehran to >>>>> assassinate three Iranian opposition figures living in the
Scandinavian
country. According to the officials, the Mossad gave Denmark
information
about a plot to kill three Iranians suspected of belonging to the
anti-regime Arab Struggle Movement for the Liberation of Ahvaz.
The intelligence reportedly provided by the Mossad prompted the arrest >>>>> of
a Norwegian national of Iranian origin earlier this month. Denmark on >>>>> Tuesday recalled its ambassador to Iran over the incident.
“What Iran hides, Israel will find,” Netanyahu declared in his
September
UN speech.
### - quote: "The TV report noted that “behind the scenes lately, the >>>>> Mossad,” under its director Yossi Cohen, has been “fighting a real >>>>> shadow
war.”
heh :)
What do you mean "heh"? We have a wager and you as a betting man
would know the meaning of that.
You still have 3 weeks - anything could happen. I could be wrong and
if so, I will be the first to accept it - if, that is, there is any
internet left.
The odds are that the "conflagration" won't happen in that short time
though. Which means, I win and you lose. If that's the case, then
you pay me. Simple as that.
If I'm wrong, and there is any internet left, or even a London or a
Perth, then I'll pay you. I'll need to help you establish a wallet
first, then I'll drop $50 in bitcoin in for you (which will be a small >>>> fraction of one btc).
I expect you to treat this wager as a controlled racing wager, except
there you pay the totalisator up front. Just a timing difference :)
Let's see what happens.
### - i need an extension! (really laffing...) but will pay-up if you
hold
me to the particular time-frame :)
Good to know. Some people of honour still around...
in fact, am always surprised just 'how long' things usually take to get
going? and which is why 6-months seemed like a long time to moi...
This is true. I might just forgive the debt on that basis. Time is a
constant in the physical universe but as far as human consciousness is
concerned, it's anything *but* a constant.
And who knows, the conflagration could still occur. In the long run,
it's difficult to see how the Israeli/Saudi alliance can forgo a first
strike on Iran.
### - will happily just take an extension, as am sure it's still
inevitably gonna happen at some point, iran needs that nuclear shit just
like korea needed it: to keep the wolves at bay!
e.g., it was 10-weeks after the uk first declared war on germany that
anything war-like actually happened (can't remember off-hand what it was >>> now, some train incident in europe or maybe a shipping incident) and
which
was defo the calm before the proverbial storm hah!
That war started when Chamberlain permitted the Czech overthrow. And
the Austrian overthrow. Poland was a step too far however, and
September 1939 is the official start of the most destructive war in
human history.
### - i know, poland was the red line... but it still took 10-weeks for >anything to 'actually' happen after chamberlain first declared war on
germany with his: 'we are at war' speech...
i still think it 'will' inevitably happen though, as do both of those
same
2 nations according to themselves... the quotes from that follow-up
article posted separately confirming this:
I agree with you. The 6 month timing is too short.
"Initially, Iran has waged war against Israel primarily by proxies. It
envisions military actions causing exhaustion to the civilian
population.
In the 1980s, Iran trained and armed the Hezbollah, a Shi’ite militia in >>> Lebanon, directing its military efforts to oust Israel from South
Lebanon.
Moreover, Iran has supplied more than 120,000 missiles of various ranges >>> to Hezbollah, which cover most of Israel. The declared goal still is “to >>> liberate Jerusalem from Zionist rule.” In the meantime, Hezbollah has
assumed control of Lebanon, turning the country into an Iranian
satrapy."
"It is an illusion that Iran’s nuclear ambitions can be curbed by
international agreements. The bomb is the best insurance for regime
survival and for achieving hegemony in the region. It is inconceivable
that the mullahs will give it up. As the international community,
including the US, has no appetite for a military confrontation with
Iran,
it is left to Israel to prevent its nuclearization. The only way to do
it
is by brute force, adding a new dimension to the war conducted already
against Iran. This is an inevitable imperative for Jerusalem."
particularly (and this from the jews themselves):
"The only way to do it is by brute force, adding a new dimension to the
war conducted *already against Iran.* This is an inevitable imperative
for
Jerusalem."
If the Persians dedicate themselves to nuclear weapon development,
there is no doubt whatsoever that both Israel and Saudi Arabia will
strike preemptively.
### - agreed, and because they've already dedicated themselves to having >nuclear power stations while we're still trying to keep 'em in the dark
ages, while israel alone has the bomb they felt safe enough (and which is
why it was given to them in the first place) but know it'll be used
against them if any islamic state ever gets hold of it...
iow: they're 'already' at war! and is thus only a matter of time before
it
all spills-over into an open conflagration when one side or the other
decides they've had enough of all this tip-toeing around each other...
israel repeatedly blowin' the shit outta iran in syria with something
now
like 200 incidents to date, pushing iran to the very brink of committing >>> some kinda serious retaliation...
it will happen! anyone knowing the history of jerusalem will also
understand why!
Hell I understand why and I'm not a jew or an israeli.
### - don't have to be a jew to like/study history heh... the history of >jerusalem speaks for itself and has changed hands many times back & forth >between all 3 parties since roman times and before, the only time it
wasn't a total slaughter being when richard the lionheart did a deal with >saladin during the crusades with some kinda agreed partition to the city
(the muslims were allowed to keep the dome on the rock temple for example) >but after Saladin died 6 months later Malik took over and violently took >jerusalem back again (or maybe it was the next one: the islamic version of >rome's caligula lol) with all 3 parties still claiming full possession of >jerusalem to this day!
personally, am surprised they haven't already nuked israel long time, a >couple of well-placed suitcase jobbies would prolly suffice to do the job;
ya gots enough money ya can get anything on the black market right?
and could still happen long before iran ever 'officially' gets anything!
fact is, israel 'is' currently surrounded by enough conventional shit to
blow them right outta the water, so a preempt (against iran) is basically >their only option!
so not if but when!
So are you going to pay up or are you going to welch on this bet? I
won, fair and square. Pay me.
On Fri, 02 Nov 2018 14:10:35 -0000, slider <slider@atashram.com>to
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2018 08:47:21 -0000, thang ornerythinchus >><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 13:44:33 -0000, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 08:34:47 -0000, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 07:05:45 -0000, slider <slider@atashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 06:23:34 -0000, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
I posted a challenge on 21 May as follows:
Nope, $50 there is no major conflagration between Israel and Iran in >>>>>>>> the next 6 months. By that, I mean directly between two nations, >>>>>>>> not
in between in Syria.
Your response was:
### - 6 months is VERY generous!
you're on! :)
Brian, the 6 month anniversary will be on 21 November, in precisely >>>>>>> three (3) weeks. I look forward to it, because there is slim to zero >>>>>>> chance of a "major conflagration between Israel and Iran" in the next >>>>>>> three weeks, in fact, ever.
Get your bitcoin ready mate, I'll give you my wallet creds in three >>>>>>> weeks time. I'll spend your money, my winnings, wisely :)
Lol...
TV report: Israel silent as Iran hit by computer virus more violent >>>>>> than
Stuxnet
Tehran strategic networks attacked, Hadashot TV says, hours after
Israel
revealed it tipped off Denmark about Iran murder plot, and days after >>>>>> Rouhani’s phone was found bugged
https://www.timesofisrael.com/tv-report-israel-silent-as-iran-hit-by-computer-virus-more-violent-than-stuxnet/
Iranian infrastructure and strategic networks have come under attack >>>>>> in
the last few days by a computer virus similar to Stuxnet but “more >>>>>> violent, more advanced and more sophisticated,” and Israeli officials >>>>>> are
refusing to discuss what role, if any, they may have had in the
operation,
an Israeli TV report said Wednesday.
The report came hours after Israel said its Mossad intelligence agency >>>>>> had
thwarted an Iranian murder plot in Denmark, and two days after Iran >>>>>> acknowledged that President Hassan Rouhani’s mobile phone had been >>>>>> bugged.
It also follows a string of Israeli intelligence coups against Iran, >>>>>> including the extraction from Tehran in January by the Mossad of the >>>>>> contents of a vast archive documenting Iran’s nuclear weapons program, >>>>>> and
the detailing by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the UN in
September
of other alleged Iranian nuclear and missile assets inside Iran, in >>>>>> Syria
and in Lebanon.
“Remember Stuxnet, the virus that penetrated the computers of the >>>>>> Iranian
nuclear industry?” the report on Israel’s Hadashot news asked. Iran >>>>>> “has
admitted in the past few days that it is again facing a similar
attack,
from a more violent, more advanced and more sophisticated virus than >>>>>> before, that has hit infrastructure and strategic networks.”
The Iranians, the TV report went on, are “not admitting, of course, >>>>>> how
much damage has been caused.”
On Sunday, Gholamreza Jalali, the head of Iran’s civil defense agency, >>>>>> said Tehran had neutralized a new version of Stuxnet, Reuters
reported.
“Recently we discovered a new generation of Stuxnet which consisted of >>>>>> several parts … and was trying to enter our systems,” Jalali said. >>>>>>
The Stuxnet virus was uncovered some eight years ago, and was widely >>>>>> reported to have been developed together by US and Israeli
intelligence.
It penetrated Iran’s rogue nuclear program, taking control and
sabotaging
parts of its enrichment processes by speeding up its centrifuges.
Netanyahu is adamant that the Iranian regime remains determined to >>>>>> attain
a nuclear weapons arsenal, and has bitterly opposed the P5+1 powers’ >>>>>> 2015
deal with Iran. US President Donald Trump, with whom Netanyahu is
closely
allied, withdrew from the accord in May.
Referring to Stuxnet, Wednesday’s TV report noted that “in the past, >>>>>> the
US and Israel have been alleged to have worked together on
operations.”
Trying to establish whether Israel had any role in the latest
cyberattack,
the TV report said: “We’ve tried to clarify here. They’re refusing
comment.”
The TV report noted that “behind the scenes lately, the Mossad,” under
its
director Yossi Cohen, has been “fighting a real shadow war.”
Without attributing responsibility to the Mossad, the report mentioned >>>>>> the
tapping of Rouhani’s phone, noting that the Iranians “had to switch it
for
an encrypted model because they understand that someone has been
listening
to him for days and weeks.”
On Sunday, Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei urged
intensified
efforts to counter enemy “infiltration,” Reuters said.
In a speech to officials in charge of cyber defense, Khamenei said: >>>>>> “In
the face of the enemy’s complex practices, our civil defense should… >>>>>> confront infiltration through scientific, accurate, and up-to-date… >>>>>> action,” the report said, quoting Iranian state TV.
Earlier Wednesday, Israeli officials said the Mossad provided its
Danish
counterpart with information concerning an alleged plot by Tehran to >>>>>> assassinate three Iranian opposition figures living in the
Scandinavian
country. According to the officials, the Mossad gave Denmark
information
about a plot to kill three Iranians suspected of belonging to the
anti-regime Arab Struggle Movement for the Liberation of Ahvaz.
The intelligence reportedly provided by the Mossad prompted the arrest >>>>>> of
a Norwegian national of Iranian origin earlier this month. Denmark on >>>>>> Tuesday recalled its ambassador to Iran over the incident.
“What Iran hides, Israel will find,” Netanyahu declared in his >>>>>> September
UN speech.
### - quote: "The TV report noted that “behind the scenes lately, the >>>>>> Mossad,” under its director Yossi Cohen, has been “fighting a real >>>>>> shadow
war.”
heh :)
What do you mean "heh"? We have a wager and you as a betting man
would know the meaning of that.
You still have 3 weeks - anything could happen. I could be wrong and >>>>> if so, I will be the first to accept it - if, that is, there is any
internet left.
The odds are that the "conflagration" won't happen in that short time >>>>> though. Which means, I win and you lose. If that's the case, then
you pay me. Simple as that.
If I'm wrong, and there is any internet left, or even a London or a
Perth, then I'll pay you. I'll need to help you establish a wallet
first, then I'll drop $50 in bitcoin in for you (which will be a small >>>>> fraction of one btc).
I expect you to treat this wager as a controlled racing wager, except >>>>> there you pay the totalisator up front. Just a timing difference :) >>>>>
Let's see what happens.
### - i need an extension! (really laffing...) but will pay-up if you
hold
me to the particular time-frame :)
Good to know. Some people of honour still around...
in fact, am always surprised just 'how long' things usually take to get >>>> going? and which is why 6-months seemed like a long time to moi...
This is true. I might just forgive the debt on that basis. Time is a
constant in the physical universe but as far as human consciousness is
concerned, it's anything *but* a constant.
And who knows, the conflagration could still occur. In the long run,
it's difficult to see how the Israeli/Saudi alliance can forgo a first
strike on Iran.
### - will happily just take an extension, as am sure it's still
inevitably gonna happen at some point, iran needs that nuclear shit just >>like korea needed it: to keep the wolves at bay!
e.g., it was 10-weeks after the uk first declared war on germany that
anything war-like actually happened (can't remember off-hand what it was >>>> now, some train incident in europe or maybe a shipping incident) and
which
was defo the calm before the proverbial storm hah!
That war started when Chamberlain permitted the Czech overthrow. And
the Austrian overthrow. Poland was a step too far however, and
September 1939 is the official start of the most destructive war in
human history.
### - i know, poland was the red line... but it still took 10-weeks for >>anything to 'actually' happen after chamberlain first declared war on >>germany with his: 'we are at war' speech...
i still think it 'will' inevitably happen though, as do both of those
same
2 nations according to themselves... the quotes from that follow-up
article posted separately confirming this:
I agree with you. The 6 month timing is too short.
"Initially, Iran has waged war against Israel primarily by proxies. It >>>> envisions military actions causing exhaustion to the civilian
population.
In the 1980s, Iran trained and armed the Hezbollah, a Shi’ite militia in >>>> Lebanon, directing its military efforts to oust Israel from South
Lebanon.
Moreover, Iran has supplied more than 120,000 missiles of various ranges >>>> to Hezbollah, which cover most of Israel. The declared goal still is “to >>>> liberate Jerusalem from Zionist rule.” In the meantime, Hezbollah has >>>> assumed control of Lebanon, turning the country into an Iranian
satrapy."
"It is an illusion that Iran’s nuclear ambitions can be curbed by
international agreements. The bomb is the best insurance for regime
survival and for achieving hegemony in the region. It is inconceivable >>>> that the mullahs will give it up. As the international community,
including the US, has no appetite for a military confrontation with
Iran,
it is left to Israel to prevent its nuclearization. The only way to do >>>> it
is by brute force, adding a new dimension to the war conducted already >>>> against Iran. This is an inevitable imperative for Jerusalem."
particularly (and this from the jews themselves):
"The only way to do it is by brute force, adding a new dimension to the >>>> war conducted *already against Iran.* This is an inevitable imperative >>>> for
Jerusalem."
If the Persians dedicate themselves to nuclear weapon development,
there is no doubt whatsoever that both Israel and Saudi Arabia will
strike preemptively.
### - agreed, and because they've already dedicated themselves to having >>nuclear power stations while we're still trying to keep 'em in the dark >>ages, while israel alone has the bomb they felt safe enough (and which is >>why it was given to them in the first place) but know it'll be used
against them if any islamic state ever gets hold of it...
iow: they're 'already' at war! and is thus only a matter of time before >>>> it
all spills-over into an open conflagration when one side or the other
decides they've had enough of all this tip-toeing around each other... >>>> israel repeatedly blowin' the shit outta iran in syria with something
now
like 200 incidents to date, pushing iran to the very brink of committing >>>> some kinda serious retaliation...
it will happen! anyone knowing the history of jerusalem will also
understand why!
Hell I understand why and I'm not a jew or an israeli.
### - don't have to be a jew to like/study history heh... the history of >>jerusalem speaks for itself and has changed hands many times back & forth >>between all 3 parties since roman times and before, the only time it
wasn't a total slaughter being when richard the lionheart did a deal with >>saladin during the crusades with some kinda agreed partition to the city >>(the muslims were allowed to keep the dome on the rock temple for example) >>but after Saladin died 6 months later Malik took over and violently took >>jerusalem back again (or maybe it was the next one: the islamic version of >>rome's caligula lol) with all 3 parties still claiming full possession of >>jerusalem to this day!
personally, am surprised they haven't already nuked israel long time, a >>couple of well-placed suitcase jobbies would prolly suffice to do the job; >>ya gots enough money ya can get anything on the black market right?
and could still happen long before iran ever 'officially' gets anything!
fact is, israel 'is' currently surrounded by enough conventional shit to >>blow them right outta the water, so a preempt (against iran) is basically >>their only option!
so not if but when!
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