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    From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, September 14, 2018 10:25:13
    From: slider@anashram.com

    server test

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to allmyslotties@gmail.com on Friday, September 14, 2018 19:22:07
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 03:47:21 -0700 (PDT), slider
    <allmyslotties@gmail.com> wrote:


    server test

    Par-DON?

    ### - heh 'both' my newsagents (opera & thunderbird) have somehow stopped working? can send but not recieve (hence the above outbound test)

    and after several days of this shit, am now reduced to using google groups to receive posts at all, duh...

    why? dunno... tried everything... no progress hah... 2 dead newsagents with no
    explanation (which must be a clue in itself but am fucked if it can be sussed out; 2 different computers, 2 independent newsagents... everything else working
    as per normal...
    bollocks!)

    not even sure 'this' idea is gonna work??

    we'll see :)

    Use Forte Agent. I've been using it for decades, literally. I have a
    *usable* copy if you want me to upload it. Inbuilt yenc etc, very
    very versatile.

    Give me a hoy

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Friday, September 14, 2018 18:07:06
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:25:13 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    server test

    Par-DON?



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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, September 14, 2018 03:47:21
    From: allmyslotties@gmail.com

    server test

    Par-DON?

    ### - heh 'both' my newsagents (opera & thunderbird) have somehow stopped working? can send but not recieve (hence the above outbound test)

    and after several days of this shit, am now reduced to using google groups to receive posts at all, duh...

    why? dunno... tried everything... no progress hah... 2 dead newsagents with no explanation (which must be a clue in itself but am fucked if it can be sussed out; 2 different computers, 2 independent newsagents... everything else working
    as per normal...
    bollocks!)

    not even sure 'this' idea is gonna work??

    we'll see :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, September 14, 2018 05:06:33
    From: allmyslotties@gmail.com

    server test

    Par-DON?

    ### - heh 'both' my newsagents (opera & thunderbird) have somehow stopped
    working? can send but not recieve (hence the above outbound test)

    and after several days of this shit, am now reduced to using google groups
    to receive posts at all, duh...

    why? dunno... tried everything... no progress hah... 2 dead newsagents with
    no explanation (which must be a clue in itself but am fucked if it can be sussed out; 2 different computers, 2 independent newsagents... everything else working as per normal..
    . bollocks!)

    not even sure 'this' idea is gonna work??

    we'll see :)

    Oh yeah. I forgot.

    Fuck Gaggle Gurps...

    ### - it's a bit weird that 'both' agents should fail at the same time? thus am
    thinking it's nada to actually do with them and is rather some other systemic problem involved...

    e.g., a couple of times before it all shut down, messages popped up saying something about invalid certificates of summat, and do ya wanna continue anyway
    (that was in opera...) and then it stopped receiving altogether, shortly afterwards thunderbird too
    stopped with a connection-error message...

    tried them both on another comp that's been on there for years, not a chance! wtf! hah! :)

    so am kinda doubtful if installing yet another agent will likely solve the prob...

    looks like the fuckin' fucker's fucked! :)

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to allmyslotties@gmail.com on Friday, September 14, 2018 19:26:17
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 03:47:21 -0700 (PDT), slider
    <allmyslotties@gmail.com> wrote:


    server test

    Par-DON?

    ### - heh 'both' my newsagents (opera & thunderbird) have somehow stopped working? can send but not recieve (hence the above outbound test)

    and after several days of this shit, am now reduced to using google groups to receive posts at all, duh...

    why? dunno... tried everything... no progress hah... 2 dead newsagents with no
    explanation (which must be a clue in itself but am fucked if it can be sussed out; 2 different computers, 2 independent newsagents... everything else working
    as per normal...
    bollocks!)

    not even sure 'this' idea is gonna work??

    we'll see :)

    Oh yeah. I forgot.

    Fuck Gaggle Gurps...

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to slider on Saturday, September 22, 2018 11:31:21
    From: slider@anashram.co.uk

    On 22/09/2018 11:28, slider wrote:
    is it working again??

    ### - yeaaaa :)


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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, September 22, 2018 11:28:47
    From: slider@anashram.co.uk

    is it working again??

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  • From alky judas@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, September 22, 2018 09:12:10
    From: crsds@sbcglobal.net

    is it working again??

    fuck yeah , let's get going with something.

    what's the word over in England today?

    we are all waiting for the main event here
    in America in Cavanaugh v. Ford . Did he
    dry hump her or does he even know this lady?
    Which reminds me of a time where i dry humped
    this girl back in college. I wasn't at college
    she was. I came late in the evening (1:30PM)
    booty call. OK, that's all i remember. lol!

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, October 13, 2018 17:47:35
    From: slider@atashram.com

    ### - is it working? :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, October 13, 2018 18:05:39
    From: slider@atashram.com

    - is it working? :)

    ### - yeaaaaaaaa! 'finally' fixed the fucker! :D

    some prob or another re some screwed up message left on the server
    screwing everything up hah!

    a reinstallation not fixing it before several times, even with several variations of same, but a new install as being a 'portable' device to a
    new folder fuckin' fixed it... ohhh yes!

    the bastard! what a freakin' headache that was?? took a whole month to
    repair!?

    had been utterly reliable for years before that! and then suddenly nada??

    still don't really know exactly why hehehe...

    but who cares!

    the opera bitch is back! :)))

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, October 14, 2018 16:55:43
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 17:47:35 +0100, slider <slider@atashram.com>
    wrote:

    ### - is it working? :)

    Who gives a fuck?

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, October 14, 2018 16:56:44
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 18:05:39 +0100, slider <slider@atashram.com>
    wrote:


    - is it working? :)

    ### - yeaaaaaaaa! 'finally' fixed the fucker! :D

    some prob or another re some screwed up message left on the server
    screwing everything up hah!

    a reinstallation not fixing it before several times, even with several >variations of same, but a new install as being a 'portable' device to a
    new folder fuckin' fixed it... ohhh yes!

    the bastard! what a freakin' headache that was?? took a whole month to >repair!?

    What? With an IQ of 160+, surely you would have been able to fix this
    small IT problem in a jiffy?

    :)


    had been utterly reliable for years before that! and then suddenly nada??

    still don't really know exactly why hehehe...

    but who cares!

    the opera bitch is back! :)))

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to thangolossus@gmail.com on Sunday, October 14, 2018 13:24:59
    From: slider@atashram.com

    On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 09:56:44 +0100, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    - is it working? :)

    ### - yeaaaaaaaa! 'finally' fixed the fucker! :D

    some prob or another re some screwed up message left on the server
    screwing everything up hah!

    a reinstallation not fixing it before several times, even with several
    variations of same, but a new install as being a 'portable' device to a
    new folder fuckin' fixed it... ohhh yes!

    the bastard! what a freakin' headache that was?? took a whole month to
    repair!?

    What? With an IQ of 160+, surely you would have been able to fix this
    small IT problem in a jiffy?

    :)

    ### - the 'point' is i didn't give-up with a difficult problem and made it through in the end, kept at it till it yielded, something you will never
    be able to do in (and with) your own life because you're now stuck with
    your head firmly/permanently jammed up your own material-minded asshole,
    the biggest tragedy in all this being that you actually did it all to yourself?! you effectively put 'yourself' in jail and threw away the key
    duh...

    and now all ya gots to show for it is a new truck and a few other
    ultimately valueless baubles?? (no wonder then you have to keep boasting
    about it heh; you're merely a material-worshiping moron with no
    imagination beyond that...)

    e.g., slider to thang: let's talk about philosophy...

    thang replies: no let's talk about my new truck! did you know it's only
    done 3000 miles??

    intelligent?? lol riiiiiiight... :D :D :D

    so it's alright thang, go back to your 'truck' and enjoy it while you
    still can...

    if you're lucky you 'might' have 15-summers left to play with it, only by
    then both you 'and' your new 'toy' will be completely fucked and ready for
    the scrapheap...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57CjU62qYs

    what a waste! :)

    I could be the driver in an articulated lorry
    I could be a poet I wouldn't need to worry
    I could be a teacher in a classroom full of scholars
    I could be the sergeant in a squadron full of wallahs
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    Because I chose to play the fool in a six-piece band,
    First-night nerves every one-night stand.
    I should be glad to be so inclined.
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    But I don't mind.

    I could be a lawyer with stratagems and ruses
    I could be a doctor with poultices and bruises
    I could be a writer with a growing reputation
    I could be the ticket man at Fulham Broadway Station
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    Because I chose to play the fool in a six-piece band,
    First-night nerves every one-night stand.
    I should be glad to be so inclined.
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    But I don't mind.

    I could be the catalyst that sparks the revolution
    I could be an inmate in a long-term institution
    I could dream to wide extremes, I could do or die
    I could yawn and be withdrawn and watch the world go by
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    Because I chose to play the fool in a six-piece band,
    First-night nerves every one-night stand.
    I should be glad to be so inclined.
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    But I don't mind.

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, October 21, 2018 12:07:07
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 13:24:59 +0100, slider <slider@atashram.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 09:56:44 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    - is it working? :)

    ### - yeaaaaaaaa! 'finally' fixed the fucker! :D

    some prob or another re some screwed up message left on the server
    screwing everything up hah!

    a reinstallation not fixing it before several times, even with several
    variations of same, but a new install as being a 'portable' device to a
    new folder fuckin' fixed it... ohhh yes!

    the bastard! what a freakin' headache that was?? took a whole month to
    repair!?

    What? With an IQ of 160+, surely you would have been able to fix this
    small IT problem in a jiffy?

    :)

    ### - the 'point' is i didn't give-up with a difficult problem and made it >through in the end, kept at it till it yielded, something you will never
    be able to do in (and with) your own life because you're now stuck with
    your head firmly/permanently jammed up your own material-minded asshole,
    the biggest tragedy in all this being that you actually did it all to >yourself?! you effectively put 'yourself' in jail and threw away the key >duh...

    and now all ya gots to show for it is a new truck and a few other
    ultimately valueless baubles?? (no wonder then you have to keep boasting >about it heh; you're merely a material-worshiping moron with no
    imagination beyond that...)

    e.g., slider to thang: let's talk about philosophy...

    thang replies: no let's talk about my new truck! did you know it's only
    done 3000 miles??

    intelligent?? lol riiiiiiight... :D :D :D

    so it's alright thang, go back to your 'truck' and enjoy it while you
    still can...

    if you're lucky you 'might' have 15-summers left to play with it, only by >then both you 'and' your new 'toy' will be completely fucked and ready for >the scrapheap...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57CjU62qYs

    what a waste! :)

    I could be the driver in an articulated lorry
    I could be a poet I wouldn't need to worry
    I could be a teacher in a classroom full of scholars
    I could be the sergeant in a squadron full of wallahs
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    Because I chose to play the fool in a six-piece band,
    First-night nerves every one-night stand.
    I should be glad to be so inclined.
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    But I don't mind.

    I could be a lawyer with stratagems and ruses
    I could be a doctor with poultices and bruises
    I could be a writer with a growing reputation
    I could be the ticket man at Fulham Broadway Station
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    Because I chose to play the fool in a six-piece band,
    First-night nerves every one-night stand.
    I should be glad to be so inclined.
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    But I don't mind.

    I could be the catalyst that sparks the revolution
    I could be an inmate in a long-term institution
    I could dream to wide extremes, I could do or die
    I could yawn and be withdrawn and watch the world go by
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    Because I chose to play the fool in a six-piece band,
    First-night nerves every one-night stand.
    I should be glad to be so inclined.
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    But I don't mind.

    What a ranting raving nutcase you are :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, October 21, 2018 11:29:22
    From: slider@anashram.com

    thang wrote...


    - is it working? :)

    ### - yeaaaaaaaa! 'finally' fixed the fucker! :D

    some prob or another re some screwed up message left on the server
    screwing everything up hah!

    a reinstallation not fixing it before several times, even with several >>>> variations of same, but a new install as being a 'portable' device to
    a
    new folder fuckin' fixed it... ohhh yes!

    the bastard! what a freakin' headache that was?? took a whole month to >>>> repair!?

    What? With an IQ of 160+, surely you would have been able to fix this
    small IT problem in a jiffy?

    :)

    ### - the 'point' is i didn't give-up with a difficult problem and made
    it
    through in the end, kept at it till it yielded, something you will never
    be able to do in (and with) your own life because you're now stuck with
    your head firmly/permanently jammed up your own material-minded asshole,
    the biggest tragedy in all this being that you actually did it all to
    yourself?! you effectively put 'yourself' in jail and threw away the key
    duh...

    and now all ya gots to show for it is a new truck and a few other
    ultimately valueless baubles?? (no wonder then you have to keep boasting
    about it heh; you're merely a material-worshiping moron with no
    imagination beyond that...)

    e.g., slider to thang: let's talk about philosophy...

    thang replies: no let's talk about my new truck! did you know it's only
    done 3000 miles??

    intelligent?? lol riiiiiiight... :D :D :D

    so it's alright thang, go back to your 'truck' and enjoy it while you
    still can...

    if you're lucky you 'might' have 15-summers left to play with it, only
    by
    then both you 'and' your new 'toy' will be completely fucked and ready
    for
    the scrapheap...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57CjU62qYs

    what a waste! :)

    I could be the driver in an articulated lorry
    I could be a poet I wouldn't need to worry
    I could be a teacher in a classroom full of scholars
    I could be the sergeant in a squadron full of wallahs
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    Because I chose to play the fool in a six-piece band,
    First-night nerves every one-night stand.
    I should be glad to be so inclined.
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    But I don't mind.

    I could be a lawyer with stratagems and ruses
    I could be a doctor with poultices and bruises
    I could be a writer with a growing reputation
    I could be the ticket man at Fulham Broadway Station
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    Because I chose to play the fool in a six-piece band,
    First-night nerves every one-night stand.
    I should be glad to be so inclined.
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    But I don't mind.

    I could be the catalyst that sparks the revolution
    I could be an inmate in a long-term institution
    I could dream to wide extremes, I could do or die
    I could yawn and be withdrawn and watch the world go by
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    Because I chose to play the fool in a six-piece band,
    First-night nerves every one-night stand.
    I should be glad to be so inclined.
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    But I don't mind.

    What a ranting raving nutcase you are :)

    ### - you couldn't catch a ball even to save your life could ya hehehe :)

    incapable (or just afraid) of 'genuine' conversation, you merely resort to kicking the man instead of the ball duh... (but that's such a cheap-trick around here? sooo transparent + is a completely unintelligent response
    imho...)

    that, being the way you are (intellectually & emotionally truncated i
    mean), you really needed to at least meet me halfway for any of this to actually 'go' anywhere, plus have even gone out of my way and right out on
    a limb to extend a helping hand to you, even to standing on my head in
    order to do so lol, but all to no avail because you remain to date
    staunchly + quite willfully obtuse... and there's nada anyone can ever do
    about that except you... and maybe not even then apparently heh... so
    you're stuck! (in the mud!)

    in many ways you actually remind me of some dude on that other 'magick'
    (with a 'k') newsgroup, who just contradicted everything one might
    say/suggest, in what they on there referred to as: 'training' (a simple
    enough technique designed to reduce ego etc etc; so as to maybe open one
    up to receiving new ideas...) never realising that we did something
    actually very similar here too? (i don't mean that guy bassos, he was
    actually pretty cool, very sharp indeed and i liked him, only i don't
    think he trusted me too much and subsequently broke-off all conversation altogether mid-stream... he did, however, give me something quite
    invaluable and i can only hope i returned the compliment...)

    and, accepting no one's suggestions/knowledge but your own; there's
    nothing more i can really do for you thang than i've already done and/or
    have tried to do for you... you do, however, still have my book on WILDs & WILDing to refer to, and most of what i've been 'trying' to show you/bring
    to your attention is in there, albeit in a vastly simplified form that
    even a 'child' should be able to get-hold of heh... including also a
    bone-fide method of putting 'yourself' in-touch with something ultimately ineffable, if not indescribable, if you will but take up the challenge to actually see it all for (and by) yourself... plus maybe then some of the 'other' things i've been saying/suggesting will also make sense to you
    once you establish these most fundamental/basic of principles involved +
    any corresponding reference points, of which there are many... otherwise
    it's like talking to a brick wall! (or prick-wall in jeremy's case heh;
    lol he's such an arrogant/conceited little prick! a know-all who knows
    nada! and is, as a result, just another blind leader of the blind
    ultimately... and likes it that way!? duh!)

    best advise is to try the WILD thing thang (heh @ the alliteration) - to
    put your beloved 'encyclopedia' to one-side for just a little while, and, without prejudging it, thus give yourself the opportunity to see/know
    something 'else' about ourselves and the dead-end world we've perceptually made/created for ourselves and are now completely stuck in... a wallyworld
    of useless (plus ultimately destructive) endeavour indeed! a cesspit (and
    pool) of human shite, dumped on the world! (like quicksand it sucks ya
    down the moment ya puts your foot in it!)

    and that's it sport! everything else is just shite! just endless arguing over... nothing!

    and you seem quite happy/content with that?? (i don't get anything out of
    such exchanges myself and, because you can't seem to respond in any other
    way, it's finally become boring/tedious...)

    we need Art in our lives to temper a raging intellect mate (don't all
    wanna end up like spock, or schmuck as i like to call him hehe, do we!)
    and if ya can't accept it from moi then maybe you'll accept it from
    yourself... and in only a month (or less) from now you 'could' just know
    some of all this for yourself too, only you'll have to make that effort yourself or you just ain't ever gonna know are ya!

    so have a gud day thang! plus i wish ya only the best of luck in all
    things mate!

    peace :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to thangolossus@gmail.com on Monday, October 22, 2018 07:46:06
    From: slider@anashram.com

    ### - lol so you didn't even 'read' my book then eh? 'coz you show me 'anywhere' in my book that i even 'mention' setting alarms and shit and
    i'll GIVE you $1000 you lying fucking cunt! the whole 'point' of writing
    it being as an almighty 'upgrade' to lucid dreaming as it stands and is
    almost dead in the water because of all that convoluted add-on crap! you fucking ignorant arsehole! LOL!

    i take it all back thang; DON'T read it! it's totally wasted on someone
    like you anyway so you can stick it where the sun don't shine, you read
    someone else's book not mine!

    and fyi... Art as in culture, and not some stupid fucking cheap & boringly inane soap on the goddamn wallyworld tv geez... what a fucking moron! :D

    in fact just forget the whole thing and go play with your new 'toy' ya
    prick, plus you can have a little bet with yourself now to see who ends up
    on the scrapheap first: you OR your new car!

    fuck you! am done with it! and with you too! you ain't ever gonna touch something more than you already know! and you don't know shit!

    so bye thang! enjoy your ignorance! that's ALL ya gots left now to wallow
    in!

    the end.






    On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 05:26:12 +0100, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 11:29:22 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    thang wrote...


    - is it working? :)

    ### - yeaaaaaaaa! 'finally' fixed the fucker! :D

    some prob or another re some screwed up message left on the server >>>>>> screwing everything up hah!

    a reinstallation not fixing it before several times, even with
    several
    variations of same, but a new install as being a 'portable' device >>>>>> to
    a
    new folder fuckin' fixed it... ohhh yes!

    the bastard! what a freakin' headache that was?? took a whole month >>>>>> to
    repair!?

    What? With an IQ of 160+, surely you would have been able to fix
    this
    small IT problem in a jiffy?

    :)

    ### - the 'point' is i didn't give-up with a difficult problem and
    made
    it
    through in the end, kept at it till it yielded, something you will
    never
    be able to do in (and with) your own life because you're now stuck
    with
    your head firmly/permanently jammed up your own material-minded
    asshole,
    the biggest tragedy in all this being that you actually did it all to
    yourself?! you effectively put 'yourself' in jail and threw away the
    key
    duh...

    and now all ya gots to show for it is a new truck and a few other
    ultimately valueless baubles?? (no wonder then you have to keep
    boasting
    about it heh; you're merely a material-worshiping moron with no
    imagination beyond that...)

    e.g., slider to thang: let's talk about philosophy...

    thang replies: no let's talk about my new truck! did you know it's
    only
    done 3000 miles??

    intelligent?? lol riiiiiiight... :D :D :D

    so it's alright thang, go back to your 'truck' and enjoy it while you
    still can...

    if you're lucky you 'might' have 15-summers left to play with it, only >>>> by
    then both you 'and' your new 'toy' will be completely fucked and ready >>>> for
    the scrapheap...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57CjU62qYs

    what a waste! :)

    I could be the driver in an articulated lorry
    I could be a poet I wouldn't need to worry
    I could be a teacher in a classroom full of scholars
    I could be the sergeant in a squadron full of wallahs
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    Because I chose to play the fool in a six-piece band,
    First-night nerves every one-night stand.
    I should be glad to be so inclined.
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    But I don't mind.

    I could be a lawyer with stratagems and ruses
    I could be a doctor with poultices and bruises
    I could be a writer with a growing reputation
    I could be the ticket man at Fulham Broadway Station
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    Because I chose to play the fool in a six-piece band,
    First-night nerves every one-night stand.
    I should be glad to be so inclined.
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    But I don't mind.

    I could be the catalyst that sparks the revolution
    I could be an inmate in a long-term institution
    I could dream to wide extremes, I could do or die
    I could yawn and be withdrawn and watch the world go by
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    Because I chose to play the fool in a six-piece band,
    First-night nerves every one-night stand.
    I should be glad to be so inclined.
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    But I don't mind.

    What a ranting raving nutcase you are :)

    ### - you couldn't catch a ball even to save your life could ya hehehe
    :)

    I detest team sports mainly because they are simply a tamer version of
    the Games of Rome in Empire days - a distraction from the misery of
    short vicious lifespans. So, no, I probably couldn't catch a ball to
    save my life - literally.

    On the other hand, I can run to save my life and I can fight and I
    have excellent survival instincts. All of these things can, and will
    if push comes to shove, save my life.


    incapable (or just afraid) of 'genuine' conversation, you merely resort
    to
    kicking the man instead of the ball duh... (but that's such a
    cheap-trick
    around here? sooo transparent + is a completely unintelligent response
    imho...)

    No, I'm trying to burn away your mental ossification so we *can* in
    fact converse. Nothing cheap about it. Your idea of genuine
    conversation seems to be a conversation where the other side
    (non-slider) must agree with and accept everything that your side
    (slider) says and does. That's not the ideal way to mature your
    outlook. While I think you may have concepts of use to me, you
    haven't articulated them yet. I know I have concepts and ideas and
    facts which can be of use to you, but you can't let yourself accept
    them. Again, not ideal for maturity of thought.

    When I bash you, it's frustration. None so blind as those who WILL
    not see.


    that, being the way you are (intellectually & emotionally truncated i
    mean), you really needed to at least meet me halfway for any of this to
    actually 'go' anywhere, plus have even gone out of my way and right out
    on
    a limb to extend a helping hand to you, even to standing on my head in
    order to do so lol, but all to no avail because you remain to date
    staunchly + quite willfully obtuse... and there's nada anyone can ever
    do
    about that except you... and maybe not even then apparently heh... so
    you're stuck! (in the mud!)

    You will not ever push your idea of wally world (if it is an idea) or
    your way of life (with which I disagree on principle) on me and I will
    never, ever be receptive in that regard.

    I don't know what else you think you have up your sleeve but if you
    have anything of interest you simply haven't articulated it clearly.
    Until you do, I'm not interested.


    in many ways you actually remind me of some dude on that other 'magick'
    (with a 'k') newsgroup, who just contradicted everything one might
    say/suggest, in what they on there referred to as: 'training' (a simple
    enough technique designed to reduce ego etc etc; so as to maybe open one
    up to receiving new ideas...) never realising that we did something
    actually very similar here too? (i don't mean that guy bassos, he was
    actually pretty cool, very sharp indeed and i liked him, only i don't
    think he trusted me too much and subsequently broke-off all conversation
    altogether mid-stream... he did, however, give me something quite
    invaluable and i can only hope i returned the compliment...)

    Why didn't he trust you? Did you ever ask?


    and, accepting no one's suggestions/knowledge but your own; there's
    nothing more i can really do for you thang than i've already done and/or
    have tried to do for you... you do, however, still have my book on
    WILDs &
    WILDing to refer to, and most of what i've been 'trying' to show
    you/bring
    to your attention is in there, albeit in a vastly simplified form that
    even a 'child' should be able to get-hold of heh... including also a
    bone-fide method of putting 'yourself' in-touch with something
    ultimately
    ineffable, if not indescribable, if you will but take up the challenge
    to
    actually see it all for (and by) yourself... plus maybe then some of the
    'other' things i've been saying/suggesting will also make sense to you
    once you establish these most fundamental/basic of principles involved +
    any corresponding reference points, of which there are many... otherwise
    it's like talking to a brick wall! (or prick-wall in jeremy's case heh;
    lol he's such an arrogant/conceited little prick! a know-all who knows
    nada! and is, as a result, just another blind leader of the blind
    ultimately... and likes it that way!? duh!)

    Look, I'm a light sleeper. I dream ok, every night, and for what
    dreaming is (cleaning out the daily cupboard's cobwebs) I find it
    interesting and rarely have nightmares. I don't have the interest in
    trying to dissect my dreams or enter a lucid dreaming state because
    for one thing, I don't think I sleep soundly enough to start with.
    Also, I share a bed with my wife and I don't think she would
    appreciate me waking up with an alarm every hour or less to try to
    train myself to enter a lucid state. She's a fairly down to earth
    Italian lady and my explanations would fall on deaf ears and I would
    be the proud recipient undoubtedly of a rolling pin over the cranium (figuratively speaking).

    Cannot do. Sorry.

    And while Jeremy is a pain in the arse and I suspect his conceit is a
    cover up for life's wounds, he does state things from time to time
    here which are relevant and useful. For instance, he pointed out that
    any dream we have cannot be mystical or greater than the sum of its
    origins because all dreams are the product of experiences during our
    waking state which are then mangled and twisted in our subconscious
    sleep state. Too many people put too much emphasis on the "meaning"
    of dreams when in fact, they mean nothing at all except for being manifestations of desires or anxieties perhaps buried during our
    waking state. On that, I agreed with him. He also has a proper
    respect for science and technology and logic - which I also share.
    That can't be taken away from him.


    best advise is to try the WILD thing thang (heh @ the alliteration) - to
    put your beloved 'encyclopedia' to one-side for just a little while,
    and,
    without prejudging it, thus give yourself the opportunity to see/know
    something 'else' about ourselves and the dead-end world we've
    perceptually
    made/created for ourselves and are now completely stuck in... a
    wallyworld
    of useless (plus ultimately destructive) endeavour indeed! a cesspit
    (and
    pool) of human shite, dumped on the world! (like quicksand it sucks ya
    down the moment ya puts your foot in it!)

    It's not fucking dead end! We may not like being conscious and self
    aware, but for beasts on who that delight has been foisted, we're
    dealing with it pretty well, all things considered.

    We've landed on the moon, a vehicle has just left the solar system and entered interstellar space, we cured polio and small pox, we've
    decreased infant mortality from over 75% to almost zero - the list
    goes on. We have some problems but so far, we are a fucking amazing
    species. Amazing.

    I do not agree with you nor do I accept any part of what you so
    obscurely try to relate.


    and that's it sport! everything else is just shite! just endless arguing
    over... nothing!

    and you seem quite happy/content with that?? (i don't get anything out
    of
    such exchanges myself and, because you can't seem to respond in any
    other
    way, it's finally become boring/tedious...)

    No, Buddha said don't look for happiness, it's not to be found. I
    don't waste time on searching for happiness or even contentment, I
    look for reality and even if reality is disappointing, it is what it
    is. As Popeye said, "I yam what I yam".

    So, me and my Isuzu MU-X, four wheel driving (after I've learnt how
    to, so I don't fuck up the car), getting away into the bush with the
    missus, smoking dope, trying to extend my life span and thinking,
    thinking thinking all the time - that'll do for an objective in life
    for the time being, until something better comes along.


    we need Art in our lives to temper a raging intellect mate (don't all
    wanna end up like spock, or schmuck as i like to call him hehe, do we!)
    and if ya can't accept it from moi then maybe you'll accept it from
    yourself... and in only a month (or less) from now you 'could' just know
    some of all this for yourself too, only you'll have to make that effort
    yourself or you just ain't ever gonna know are ya!

    Art? Art Vandaleer? Is that you?


    so have a gud day thang! plus i wish ya only the best of luck in all
    things mate!

    Fuck luck. We make our own luck. Famous saying...


    peace :)

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Monday, October 22, 2018 12:26:12
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 11:29:22 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    thang wrote...


    - is it working? :)

    ### - yeaaaaaaaa! 'finally' fixed the fucker! :D

    some prob or another re some screwed up message left on the server
    screwing everything up hah!

    a reinstallation not fixing it before several times, even with several >>>>> variations of same, but a new install as being a 'portable' device to >>>>> a
    new folder fuckin' fixed it... ohhh yes!

    the bastard! what a freakin' headache that was?? took a whole month to >>>>> repair!?

    What? With an IQ of 160+, surely you would have been able to fix this >>>> small IT problem in a jiffy?

    :)

    ### - the 'point' is i didn't give-up with a difficult problem and made
    it
    through in the end, kept at it till it yielded, something you will never >>> be able to do in (and with) your own life because you're now stuck with
    your head firmly/permanently jammed up your own material-minded asshole, >>> the biggest tragedy in all this being that you actually did it all to
    yourself?! you effectively put 'yourself' in jail and threw away the key >>> duh...

    and now all ya gots to show for it is a new truck and a few other
    ultimately valueless baubles?? (no wonder then you have to keep boasting >>> about it heh; you're merely a material-worshiping moron with no
    imagination beyond that...)

    e.g., slider to thang: let's talk about philosophy...

    thang replies: no let's talk about my new truck! did you know it's only
    done 3000 miles??

    intelligent?? lol riiiiiiight... :D :D :D

    so it's alright thang, go back to your 'truck' and enjoy it while you
    still can...

    if you're lucky you 'might' have 15-summers left to play with it, only
    by
    then both you 'and' your new 'toy' will be completely fucked and ready
    for
    the scrapheap...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57CjU62qYs

    what a waste! :)

    I could be the driver in an articulated lorry
    I could be a poet I wouldn't need to worry
    I could be a teacher in a classroom full of scholars
    I could be the sergeant in a squadron full of wallahs
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    Because I chose to play the fool in a six-piece band,
    First-night nerves every one-night stand.
    I should be glad to be so inclined.
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    But I don't mind.

    I could be a lawyer with stratagems and ruses
    I could be a doctor with poultices and bruises
    I could be a writer with a growing reputation
    I could be the ticket man at Fulham Broadway Station
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    Because I chose to play the fool in a six-piece band,
    First-night nerves every one-night stand.
    I should be glad to be so inclined.
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    But I don't mind.

    I could be the catalyst that sparks the revolution
    I could be an inmate in a long-term institution
    I could dream to wide extremes, I could do or die
    I could yawn and be withdrawn and watch the world go by
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    Because I chose to play the fool in a six-piece band,
    First-night nerves every one-night stand.
    I should be glad to be so inclined.
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    But I don't mind.

    What a ranting raving nutcase you are :)

    ### - you couldn't catch a ball even to save your life could ya hehehe :)

    I detest team sports mainly because they are simply a tamer version of
    the Games of Rome in Empire days - a distraction from the misery of
    short vicious lifespans. So, no, I probably couldn't catch a ball to
    save my life - literally.

    On the other hand, I can run to save my life and I can fight and I
    have excellent survival instincts. All of these things can, and will
    if push comes to shove, save my life.


    incapable (or just afraid) of 'genuine' conversation, you merely resort to >kicking the man instead of the ball duh... (but that's such a cheap-trick >around here? sooo transparent + is a completely unintelligent response >imho...)

    No, I'm trying to burn away your mental ossification so we *can* in
    fact converse. Nothing cheap about it. Your idea of genuine
    conversation seems to be a conversation where the other side
    (non-slider) must agree with and accept everything that your side
    (slider) says and does. That's not the ideal way to mature your
    outlook. While I think you may have concepts of use to me, you
    haven't articulated them yet. I know I have concepts and ideas and
    facts which can be of use to you, but you can't let yourself accept
    them. Again, not ideal for maturity of thought.

    When I bash you, it's frustration. None so blind as those who WILL
    not see.


    that, being the way you are (intellectually & emotionally truncated i
    mean), you really needed to at least meet me halfway for any of this to >actually 'go' anywhere, plus have even gone out of my way and right out on
    a limb to extend a helping hand to you, even to standing on my head in
    order to do so lol, but all to no avail because you remain to date
    staunchly + quite willfully obtuse... and there's nada anyone can ever do >about that except you... and maybe not even then apparently heh... so
    you're stuck! (in the mud!)

    You will not ever push your idea of wally world (if it is an idea) or
    your way of life (with which I disagree on principle) on me and I will
    never, ever be receptive in that regard.

    I don't know what else you think you have up your sleeve but if you
    have anything of interest you simply haven't articulated it clearly.
    Until you do, I'm not interested.


    in many ways you actually remind me of some dude on that other 'magick'
    (with a 'k') newsgroup, who just contradicted everything one might >say/suggest, in what they on there referred to as: 'training' (a simple >enough technique designed to reduce ego etc etc; so as to maybe open one
    up to receiving new ideas...) never realising that we did something
    actually very similar here too? (i don't mean that guy bassos, he was >actually pretty cool, very sharp indeed and i liked him, only i don't
    think he trusted me too much and subsequently broke-off all conversation >altogether mid-stream... he did, however, give me something quite
    invaluable and i can only hope i returned the compliment...)

    Why didn't he trust you? Did you ever ask?


    and, accepting no one's suggestions/knowledge but your own; there's
    nothing more i can really do for you thang than i've already done and/or
    have tried to do for you... you do, however, still have my book on WILDs & >WILDing to refer to, and most of what i've been 'trying' to show you/bring
    to your attention is in there, albeit in a vastly simplified form that
    even a 'child' should be able to get-hold of heh... including also a >bone-fide method of putting 'yourself' in-touch with something ultimately >ineffable, if not indescribable, if you will but take up the challenge to >actually see it all for (and by) yourself... plus maybe then some of the >'other' things i've been saying/suggesting will also make sense to you
    once you establish these most fundamental/basic of principles involved +
    any corresponding reference points, of which there are many... otherwise
    it's like talking to a brick wall! (or prick-wall in jeremy's case heh;
    lol he's such an arrogant/conceited little prick! a know-all who knows
    nada! and is, as a result, just another blind leader of the blind >ultimately... and likes it that way!? duh!)

    Look, I'm a light sleeper. I dream ok, every night, and for what
    dreaming is (cleaning out the daily cupboard's cobwebs) I find it
    interesting and rarely have nightmares. I don't have the interest in
    trying to dissect my dreams or enter a lucid dreaming state because
    for one thing, I don't think I sleep soundly enough to start with.
    Also, I share a bed with my wife and I don't think she would
    appreciate me waking up with an alarm every hour or less to try to
    train myself to enter a lucid state. She's a fairly down to earth
    Italian lady and my explanations would fall on deaf ears and I would
    be the proud recipient undoubtedly of a rolling pin over the cranium (figuratively speaking).

    Cannot do. Sorry.

    And while Jeremy is a pain in the arse and I suspect his conceit is a
    cover up for life's wounds, he does state things from time to time
    here which are relevant and useful. For instance, he pointed out that
    any dream we have cannot be mystical or greater than the sum of its
    origins because all dreams are the product of experiences during our
    waking state which are then mangled and twisted in our subconscious
    sleep state. Too many people put too much emphasis on the "meaning"
    of dreams when in fact, they mean nothing at all except for being manifestations of desires or anxieties perhaps buried during our
    waking state. On that, I agreed with him. He also has a proper
    respect for science and technology and logic - which I also share.
    That can't be taken away from him.


    best advise is to try the WILD thing thang (heh @ the alliteration) - to
    put your beloved 'encyclopedia' to one-side for just a little while, and, >without prejudging it, thus give yourself the opportunity to see/know >something 'else' about ourselves and the dead-end world we've perceptually >made/created for ourselves and are now completely stuck in... a wallyworld
    of useless (plus ultimately destructive) endeavour indeed! a cesspit (and >pool) of human shite, dumped on the world! (like quicksand it sucks ya
    down the moment ya puts your foot in it!)

    It's not fucking dead end! We may not like being conscious and self
    aware, but for beasts on who that delight has been foisted, we're
    dealing with it pretty well, all things considered.

    We've landed on the moon, a vehicle has just left the solar system and
    entered interstellar space, we cured polio and small pox, we've
    decreased infant mortality from over 75% to almost zero - the list
    goes on. We have some problems but so far, we are a fucking amazing
    species. Amazing.

    I do not agree with you nor do I accept any part of what you so
    obscurely try to relate.


    and that's it sport! everything else is just shite! just endless arguing >over... nothing!

    and you seem quite happy/content with that?? (i don't get anything out of >such exchanges myself and, because you can't seem to respond in any other >way, it's finally become boring/tedious...)

    No, Buddha said don't look for happiness, it's not to be found. I
    don't waste time on searching for happiness or even contentment, I
    look for reality and even if reality is disappointing, it is what it
    is. As Popeye said, "I yam what I yam".

    So, me and my Isuzu MU-X, four wheel driving (after I've learnt how
    to, so I don't fuck up the car), getting away into the bush with the
    missus, smoking dope, trying to extend my life span and thinking,
    thinking thinking all the time - that'll do for an objective in life
    for the time being, until something better comes along.


    we need Art in our lives to temper a raging intellect mate (don't all
    wanna end up like spock, or schmuck as i like to call him hehe, do we!)
    and if ya can't accept it from moi then maybe you'll accept it from >yourself... and in only a month (or less) from now you 'could' just know
    some of all this for yourself too, only you'll have to make that effort >yourself or you just ain't ever gonna know are ya!

    Art? Art Vandaleer? Is that you?


    so have a gud day thang! plus i wish ya only the best of luck in all
    things mate!

    Fuck luck. We make our own luck. Famous saying...


    peace :)

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 10:47:27
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 07:46:06 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    ### - lol so you didn't even 'read' my book then eh? 'coz you show me >'anywhere' in my book that i even 'mention' setting alarms and shit and
    i'll GIVE you $1000 you lying fucking cunt! the whole 'point' of writing
    it being as an almighty 'upgrade' to lucid dreaming as it stands and is >almost dead in the water because of all that convoluted add-on crap! you >fucking ignorant arsehole! LOL!

    i take it all back thang; DON'T read it! it's totally wasted on someone
    like you anyway so you can stick it where the sun don't shine, you read >someone else's book not mine!

    and fyi... Art as in culture, and not some stupid fucking cheap & boringly >inane soap on the goddamn wallyworld tv geez... what a fucking moron! :D

    in fact just forget the whole thing and go play with your new 'toy' ya
    prick, plus you can have a little bet with yourself now to see who ends up
    on the scrapheap first: you OR your new car!

    fuck you! am done with it! and with you too! you ain't ever gonna touch >something more than you already know! and you don't know shit!

    so bye thang! enjoy your ignorance! that's ALL ya gots left now to wallow
    in!

    the end.

    Hopefully. You are showing signs of bipolar affective disorder. Up
    and then down, wash, rinse, repeat...

    Too bad, you were probably once quite a reasonable, well adjusted,
    resourceful productive member of society (yeah, sure :)






    On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 05:26:12 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 11:29:22 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    thang wrote...


    - is it working? :)

    ### - yeaaaaaaaa! 'finally' fixed the fucker! :D

    some prob or another re some screwed up message left on the server >>>>>>> screwing everything up hah!

    a reinstallation not fixing it before several times, even with
    several
    variations of same, but a new install as being a 'portable' device >>>>>>> to
    a
    new folder fuckin' fixed it... ohhh yes!

    the bastard! what a freakin' headache that was?? took a whole month >>>>>>> to
    repair!?

    What? With an IQ of 160+, surely you would have been able to fix
    this
    small IT problem in a jiffy?

    :)

    ### - the 'point' is i didn't give-up with a difficult problem and
    made
    it
    through in the end, kept at it till it yielded, something you will
    never
    be able to do in (and with) your own life because you're now stuck
    with
    your head firmly/permanently jammed up your own material-minded
    asshole,
    the biggest tragedy in all this being that you actually did it all to >>>>> yourself?! you effectively put 'yourself' in jail and threw away the >>>>> key
    duh...

    and now all ya gots to show for it is a new truck and a few other
    ultimately valueless baubles?? (no wonder then you have to keep
    boasting
    about it heh; you're merely a material-worshiping moron with no
    imagination beyond that...)

    e.g., slider to thang: let's talk about philosophy...

    thang replies: no let's talk about my new truck! did you know it's
    only
    done 3000 miles??

    intelligent?? lol riiiiiiight... :D :D :D

    so it's alright thang, go back to your 'truck' and enjoy it while you >>>>> still can...

    if you're lucky you 'might' have 15-summers left to play with it, only >>>>> by
    then both you 'and' your new 'toy' will be completely fucked and ready >>>>> for
    the scrapheap...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57CjU62qYs

    what a waste! :)

    I could be the driver in an articulated lorry
    I could be a poet I wouldn't need to worry
    I could be a teacher in a classroom full of scholars
    I could be the sergeant in a squadron full of wallahs
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    Because I chose to play the fool in a six-piece band,
    First-night nerves every one-night stand.
    I should be glad to be so inclined.
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    But I don't mind.

    I could be a lawyer with stratagems and ruses
    I could be a doctor with poultices and bruises
    I could be a writer with a growing reputation
    I could be the ticket man at Fulham Broadway Station
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    Because I chose to play the fool in a six-piece band,
    First-night nerves every one-night stand.
    I should be glad to be so inclined.
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    But I don't mind.

    I could be the catalyst that sparks the revolution
    I could be an inmate in a long-term institution
    I could dream to wide extremes, I could do or die
    I could yawn and be withdrawn and watch the world go by
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    Because I chose to play the fool in a six-piece band,
    First-night nerves every one-night stand.
    I should be glad to be so inclined.
    What a waste!
    What a waste!
    But I don't mind.

    What a ranting raving nutcase you are :)

    ### - you couldn't catch a ball even to save your life could ya hehehe
    :)

    I detest team sports mainly because they are simply a tamer version of
    the Games of Rome in Empire days - a distraction from the misery of
    short vicious lifespans. So, no, I probably couldn't catch a ball to
    save my life - literally.

    On the other hand, I can run to save my life and I can fight and I
    have excellent survival instincts. All of these things can, and will
    if push comes to shove, save my life.


    incapable (or just afraid) of 'genuine' conversation, you merely resort
    to
    kicking the man instead of the ball duh... (but that's such a
    cheap-trick
    around here? sooo transparent + is a completely unintelligent response
    imho...)

    No, I'm trying to burn away your mental ossification so we *can* in
    fact converse. Nothing cheap about it. Your idea of genuine
    conversation seems to be a conversation where the other side
    (non-slider) must agree with and accept everything that your side
    (slider) says and does. That's not the ideal way to mature your
    outlook. While I think you may have concepts of use to me, you
    haven't articulated them yet. I know I have concepts and ideas and
    facts which can be of use to you, but you can't let yourself accept
    them. Again, not ideal for maturity of thought.

    When I bash you, it's frustration. None so blind as those who WILL
    not see.


    that, being the way you are (intellectually & emotionally truncated i
    mean), you really needed to at least meet me halfway for any of this to
    actually 'go' anywhere, plus have even gone out of my way and right out
    on
    a limb to extend a helping hand to you, even to standing on my head in
    order to do so lol, but all to no avail because you remain to date
    staunchly + quite willfully obtuse... and there's nada anyone can ever
    do
    about that except you... and maybe not even then apparently heh... so
    you're stuck! (in the mud!)

    You will not ever push your idea of wally world (if it is an idea) or
    your way of life (with which I disagree on principle) on me and I will
    never, ever be receptive in that regard.

    I don't know what else you think you have up your sleeve but if you
    have anything of interest you simply haven't articulated it clearly.
    Until you do, I'm not interested.


    in many ways you actually remind me of some dude on that other 'magick'
    (with a 'k') newsgroup, who just contradicted everything one might
    say/suggest, in what they on there referred to as: 'training' (a simple
    enough technique designed to reduce ego etc etc; so as to maybe open one >>> up to receiving new ideas...) never realising that we did something
    actually very similar here too? (i don't mean that guy bassos, he was
    actually pretty cool, very sharp indeed and i liked him, only i don't
    think he trusted me too much and subsequently broke-off all conversation >>> altogether mid-stream... he did, however, give me something quite
    invaluable and i can only hope i returned the compliment...)

    Why didn't he trust you? Did you ever ask?


    and, accepting no one's suggestions/knowledge but your own; there's
    nothing more i can really do for you thang than i've already done and/or >>> have tried to do for you... you do, however, still have my book on
    WILDs &
    WILDing to refer to, and most of what i've been 'trying' to show
    you/bring
    to your attention is in there, albeit in a vastly simplified form that
    even a 'child' should be able to get-hold of heh... including also a
    bone-fide method of putting 'yourself' in-touch with something
    ultimately
    ineffable, if not indescribable, if you will but take up the challenge
    to
    actually see it all for (and by) yourself... plus maybe then some of the >>> 'other' things i've been saying/suggesting will also make sense to you
    once you establish these most fundamental/basic of principles involved + >>> any corresponding reference points, of which there are many... otherwise >>> it's like talking to a brick wall! (or prick-wall in jeremy's case heh;
    lol he's such an arrogant/conceited little prick! a know-all who knows
    nada! and is, as a result, just another blind leader of the blind
    ultimately... and likes it that way!? duh!)

    Look, I'm a light sleeper. I dream ok, every night, and for what
    dreaming is (cleaning out the daily cupboard's cobwebs) I find it
    interesting and rarely have nightmares. I don't have the interest in
    trying to dissect my dreams or enter a lucid dreaming state because
    for one thing, I don't think I sleep soundly enough to start with.
    Also, I share a bed with my wife and I don't think she would
    appreciate me waking up with an alarm every hour or less to try to
    train myself to enter a lucid state. She's a fairly down to earth
    Italian lady and my explanations would fall on deaf ears and I would
    be the proud recipient undoubtedly of a rolling pin over the cranium
    (figuratively speaking).

    Cannot do. Sorry.

    And while Jeremy is a pain in the arse and I suspect his conceit is a
    cover up for life's wounds, he does state things from time to time
    here which are relevant and useful. For instance, he pointed out that
    any dream we have cannot be mystical or greater than the sum of its
    origins because all dreams are the product of experiences during our
    waking state which are then mangled and twisted in our subconscious
    sleep state. Too many people put too much emphasis on the "meaning"
    of dreams when in fact, they mean nothing at all except for being
    manifestations of desires or anxieties perhaps buried during our
    waking state. On that, I agreed with him. He also has a proper
    respect for science and technology and logic - which I also share.
    That can't be taken away from him.


    best advise is to try the WILD thing thang (heh @ the alliteration) - to >>> put your beloved 'encyclopedia' to one-side for just a little while,
    and,
    without prejudging it, thus give yourself the opportunity to see/know
    something 'else' about ourselves and the dead-end world we've
    perceptually
    made/created for ourselves and are now completely stuck in... a
    wallyworld
    of useless (plus ultimately destructive) endeavour indeed! a cesspit
    (and
    pool) of human shite, dumped on the world! (like quicksand it sucks ya
    down the moment ya puts your foot in it!)

    It's not fucking dead end! We may not like being conscious and self
    aware, but for beasts on who that delight has been foisted, we're
    dealing with it pretty well, all things considered.

    We've landed on the moon, a vehicle has just left the solar system and
    entered interstellar space, we cured polio and small pox, we've
    decreased infant mortality from over 75% to almost zero - the list
    goes on. We have some problems but so far, we are a fucking amazing
    species. Amazing.

    I do not agree with you nor do I accept any part of what you so
    obscurely try to relate.


    and that's it sport! everything else is just shite! just endless arguing >>> over... nothing!

    and you seem quite happy/content with that?? (i don't get anything out
    of
    such exchanges myself and, because you can't seem to respond in any
    other
    way, it's finally become boring/tedious...)

    No, Buddha said don't look for happiness, it's not to be found. I
    don't waste time on searching for happiness or even contentment, I
    look for reality and even if reality is disappointing, it is what it
    is. As Popeye said, "I yam what I yam".

    So, me and my Isuzu MU-X, four wheel driving (after I've learnt how
    to, so I don't fuck up the car), getting away into the bush with the
    missus, smoking dope, trying to extend my life span and thinking,
    thinking thinking all the time - that'll do for an objective in life
    for the time being, until something better comes along.


    we need Art in our lives to temper a raging intellect mate (don't all
    wanna end up like spock, or schmuck as i like to call him hehe, do we!)
    and if ya can't accept it from moi then maybe you'll accept it from
    yourself... and in only a month (or less) from now you 'could' just know >>> some of all this for yourself too, only you'll have to make that effort
    yourself or you just ain't ever gonna know are ya!

    Art? Art Vandaleer? Is that you?


    so have a gud day thang! plus i wish ya only the best of luck in all
    things mate!

    Fuck luck. We make our own luck. Famous saying...


    peace :)

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