• mash those nuts

    From chorro@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, August 23, 2018 13:36:00
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    here is the most funnyest thing shorty
    ever said: "we are NOT masturbators".

    oh yes you are, the whole shitty affair
    was one big jack off. you are giant
    pud pullers. jack off kings and queens
    if i ever did see any. mr. opposite
    always had it backwards. Lying sack of
    shit.

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Monday, August 27, 2018 16:42:38
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    A top federal official in charge of handling complaints about student loans stepped down on Monday, blasting the Trump administration for protecting predatory lenders at the expense of borrowers.

    Seth Frotman, the student loan ombudsman at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, said in his resignation letter that millions of borrowers had been harmed by “sweeping changes” at the bureau under Mick Mulvaney, President Trump’s budget
    director, who became the bureau’s acting director in November.

    “You have used the bureau to serve the wishes of the most powerful financial companies in America,” Mr. Frotman wrote to Mr. Mulvaney. “The current leadership of the bureau has abandoned its duty to fairly and robustly enforce the law.”

    In his letter, Mr. Frotman accused Mr. Mulvaney and his top lieutenants of undermining the bureau’s career staff and interfering with their efforts to oversee student lenders. Last year, Mr. Mulvaney’s team suppressed the publication of a report
    drawing attention to legally questionable fees charged on college students’ bank accounts, Mr. Frotman said.

    Three months ago, Mr. Mulvaney folded the ombudsman’s office into the bureau’s consumer information unit, removing some of its independence.

    Mr. Frotman is not the only federal student lending official to leave after clashing with the Trump administration. The Education Department, which manages
    the government’s $1.4 trillion portfolio of federal student loans owed by nearly 43 million
    borrowers, lost its top student aid executive last year. James Runcie, the head
    of the agency’s Federal Student Aid office, quit over what he said was political interference with his unit’s work.

    ***

    They're handing over everything in the country to predatory businesses
    just as fast as they possibly can.

    .

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  • From chorro@1:229/2 to All on Monday, August 27, 2018 17:25:39
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    shit happens.

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, August 28, 2018 08:07:00
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    Aug 10
    Education Secretary Betsy DeVos formally moved to scrap a regulation that would
    have forced for-profit colleges to prove that the students they enroll are able
    to attain decent-paying jobs, the most drastic in a series of policy shifts that will free the
    scandal-scarred, for-profit sector from safeguards put in effect during the Obama era.

    ***

    Gail Collins comments on the development above:
    DeVos, meanwhile, is worried about the government making “burdensome” demands on the for-profit schools. We will take a break for a minute to sigh.

    DeVos loves for-profit education — you may remember she championed an overhaul of the Michigan school system, which replaced troubled public schools with truly terrible charter schools, most of them for-profit.

    So she’s chipping away at anything the for-profits don’t like.

    DeVos has stuffed her department with people from the for-profit education industry. The guy who’s supposed to be overseeing fraud investigations is a former dean of a for-profit named DeVry University, which paid $100 million to settle a lawsuit over
    misleading marketing tactics.

    ***

    Aug. 23
    When Congress created its academic support fund three years ago, lawmakers had in mind a pot of money that would increase student access to art and music, mental health and technology programs at the nation’s most impoverished schools.

    But back-to-back school shootings this year and inquiries from the state of Texas have prompted the education secretary, Betsy DeVos, to examine whether to
    allow states to tap the school enrichment fund for another purpose: guns.

    Such a move would reverse a longstanding position taken by the federal government that it should not pay to outfit schools with weaponry. It would also undermine efforts by Congress to restrict the use of federal funding on guns. As recently as March,
    Congress passed a school safety bill that allocated $50 million a year to local
    school districts, but expressly prohibited the use of the money for firearms.

    But the Every Student Succeeds Act, signed into law in 2015, is silent on weapons purchases, and that omission would allow Ms. DeVos to use her discretion to approve or deny any state or district plans to use the enrichment
    grants under the measure for
    firearms and firearm training, unless Congress clarifies the law or bans such funding through legislative action.

    ***

    It's sheer genius. Spend our education dollars on hokey for-profit
    schools, and on arming teachers and administrators. It's idiotic.
    But it's not all bad news today kids, due to how the courts keep
    blocking terrible things Trump and Pruitt's EPA tried to do.
    The article below is from another organization I support with
    financial contributions, the NRDC.

    Bucking Trump Agenda, Court Reinstates Clean Water Rule in 26 States

    By Courtney Lindwall
    August 21, 2018

    http://tinyurl.com/y8bgkql5

    Excerpts:

    Victory! A federal judge in South Carolina recently reinstated water protections in 26 states, following a lawsuit filed by environmental groups against the Trump administration for illegally suspending the Clean Water Rule early this year. The law
    clarifies which bodies of water are covered by the Clean Water Act’s pollution-control programs. Although implementation is still on hold in 24 states, the ruling is a decisive win for the environment—and for the millions
    of Americans whose water
    supplies are now better protected from pollution.

    The water supply of one in three Americans is at stake.
    The Clean Water Rule improves protections for numerous water bodies, including streams feeding the water supplies of about one-third of all Americans. These safeguards limit pollution like wastewater discharge from power plants, which contains toxic
    metals such as mercury and arsenic. Though the Trump administration plans to repeal the Clean Water Rule outright (something that will spark yet another legal showdown), the suspension of the rule in the meantime threatened ecosystems and our drinking
    water. The longer the Clean Water Rule was on hold, the longer Trump threatened
    our communities’ health.

    It’s not about “puddles.”
    The Trump administration, alongside industry forces, has tried to misrepresent the Clean Water Rule as an attempt to regulate “nearly every puddle” and trample on property rights. This couldn’t be farther from the truth. The Clean Water Rule
    explicitly excludes puddles, and what’s more, it protects only those waters with a “demonstrated and significant impact on the physical, chemical, and biological condition of downstream water bodies...

    Environmentalists are on a roll!
    Albeit partial, this win is the latest in a recent string of legal triumphs against the Trump administration’s environmental rollbacks. In fact, this is the seventh victory over the course of just one week (but who’s counting?). To name a few,
    workers at chemical plants had their rights to basic safety measures affirmed. The endangered vaquita porpoise won out against deadly gillnets. And opponents of the dirty Keystone XL pipeline are celebrating a court order demanding a more thorough
    environmental review.

    ***

    They keep trying to poison people, but the courts keep stopping them.
    So far...

    .

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, August 29, 2018 15:10:40
    From: slider@anashram.com

    shit happens.

    ### - ceo's opening words at the world's largest fertiliser company's
    annual conference haha :D

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, August 29, 2018 08:57:19
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    chorro:
    shit happens.

    Daily, for most of us.

    chorro:
    "nuttin' is what's gonna happen.
    nada. lotta talk about nuttin'
    meanwhile, have another beer"

    Well, is it nuttin' or is it shit that will happen? :)
    Research also happens...
    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-45283401

    "There is no safe level of alcohol consumption"

    .

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, September 01, 2018 15:15:15
    From: slider@anashram.com

    jeremy wrote...

    "There is no safe level of alcohol consumption"

    ### - nonsense! isn't that like saying/suggesting nicotine is evil?
    (national scapegoats!)

    and 'coz yeah, it's 'alcohol & nicotine' that's been causing all the
    increased cancer in the world??

    it's 'alcohol & nicotine' that's only recently revised the cancer average
    from 3 in 1 to 2 in 1??

    people have been drinking for 1000's upon 1000's of years & smoking in the
    west for the last several 100 years, and that's what's suddenly revised
    the average from 3 to 2 like that???

    riiiight...

    the real question there is: why would they knowingly deflect like that?
    the reasons they did so previously with smoking is clear: particulates pollution from petrol/gas is what was actually causing the increase in
    lung cancers, that and the increase in artificial radioactive isotopes
    from all those nuclear tests in the past; smoking only exacerbating the situation rather than actually causing it directly, yet they openly blamed smoking and made 'that' the scapegoat for it all... this attack on alcohol being then perhaps a kind of indirect/tacit warning about yet another expected/anticipated increase in disease that they're gonna announce +
    then blame everything on...

    plus why don't you ever 'question' these things?

    why do you instead always unquestionably 'trust' them no matter 'what'
    they say??

    plus what's the betting that in only a year or so they 'again' reverse
    their above new position?

    dated july 27th 2018: (from only last month!) https://www.wideopeneats.com/10-health-benefits-get-drinking-daily-glass-wine/

    it appears trump isn't the 'only' one that's been applying this continuing policy of 'reversals & contradiction' eh?

    don't be such a sucker for bs!

    thang's the same: whatever they 'announce' in the media is always true??

    we live in the era of fake-fucking news for christsakes!

    ya can't possibly 'trust' that!?

    :)

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, September 01, 2018 11:38:59
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    It was a large new global study, funded by a foundation that is
    heavily concerned with public health (Gates), with no reason
    to be biased one way or another. They are simply interested
    in finding out what is healthy.

    To me, even a single drink a day seems like a lot.
    Yet previous studies had deemed that level mildly beneficial.
    Turns out it's mildly detrimental.

    And the thing is, most drinkers don't have just one.
    They usually have more than one. The data clearly show the
    rate of illness rising with the amount of drinking.

    These studies still haven't made it down to my level of drinking.
    One drink a day would still be 30 drinks a month. My partner
    and I average maybe 1 or 2 per month. :) Even the effect size
    for 1 drink a day is not a huge deal, but it's big enough that
    from what I've heard said here, Chris and his wife should maybe
    give it some thought.

    .

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, September 01, 2018 12:42:44
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    You are the one who doesn't know.
    And no one proposed banning alcohol.

    The article even said: there is no safe level of driving,
    or indeed any safe level of *living* at all. :)

    But you're incapable of rationally evaluating good data.
    You've proven that many times now.

    .

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, September 01, 2018 20:29:02
    From: slider@anashram.org

    It was a large new global study, funded by a foundation that is
    heavily concerned with public health (Gates), with no reason
    to be biased one way or another. They are simply interested
    in finding out what is healthy.

    ### - they don't... know - not for sure!

    but they don't mind 'playing' it every time like they do??

    no matter WHAT they say they're right! and then perforce their not right...

    data can be compiled any way they want?

    but shuffle it around a bit and it says/suggests something else?!

    so pay no attention to their bragging/boasting they always know what's
    best, they haven't a clue!




    To me, even a single drink a day seems like a lot.
    Yet previous studies had deemed that level mildly beneficial.
    Turns out it's mildly detrimental.

    ### - it metabolises very quickly in our system @ the rate of about a unit
    per hour, our body has no problem dealing with it unless your liver ain't working too well to begin with or you have a genetic condition like the australian aborigines do that makes them alcohol intolerant...




    And the thing is, most drinkers don't have just one.
    They usually have more than one. The data clearly show the
    rate of illness rising with the amount of drinking.

    ### - so because we don't exactly know just how much or too little is
    good/bad for us, we should just abstain altogether? outlaw it completely??

    what's next: ban weed?? (oop's no, they already did that one and have
    started relenting due to its benefits outweighing its bad, riiight...)

    do you realise the 'shit' they gave us about weed being the devil for chistsakes?? lol :)

    i mean, they really went to town on it didn't they lol - reefer madness
    ffs! heh :)

    only 'now' it's turning out to be an amazing almost-cure-all wonder
    fucking drug!?!?

    make up your fucking minds already! lol :)





    These studies still haven't made it down to my level of drinking.
    One drink a day would still be 30 drinks a month. My partner
    and I average maybe 1 or 2 per month. :) Even the effect size
    for 1 drink a day is not a huge deal, but it's big enough that
    from what I've heard said here, Chris and his wife should maybe
    give it some thought.

    ### - i would have imagined that, in the 70-odd 'years' he's been hangin' around on this planet, that he kinda knows himself enough by now where
    drink is concerned?

    in truth, when i was young, i knew the difference between right & wrong,
    but it still took me many, many years more to know just what's good and
    what's bad for me, personally :)

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, September 01, 2018 12:48:20
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    From Vox

    'Firehosing':
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nknYtlOvaQ0

    This is a disturbing video. And I think it's... right.
    I must admit that I'm not well-prepared to live in a world like this.
    It's the antithesis of everything I've ever stood for.

    .

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to slider on Saturday, September 01, 2018 13:42:30
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 12:50:59 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    But you're incapable of rationally evaluating good data.
    You've proven that many times now.

    ### - a 'gaslighting malignant narcissist' heh

    that's you to a tee jeremy!

    you've been like that for years!

    :)

    Naw. You just resort to name-calling and gaslighting
    every time you lose an argument (which is... usually).
    It's an unethical form of arguing you've pursued for years.

    .

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, September 01, 2018 20:50:59
    From: slider@anashram.org

    But you're incapable of rationally evaluating good data.
    You've proven that many times now.

    ### - a 'gaslighting malignant narcissist' heh

    that's you to a tee jeremy!

    you've been like that for years!

    :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, September 01, 2018 21:54:04
    From: slider@anashram.org

    From Vox

    'Firehosing':
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nknYtlOvaQ0

    This is a disturbing video. And I think it's... right.
    I must admit that I'm not well-prepared to live in a world like this.
    It's the antithesis of everything I've ever stood for.

    ### - looks like they (and you heh) are only 'now' just beginning to
    catch-on to it all by eh?

    yet it's been going on for decades! it's nothing... new!

    and because the answer's obvious: bamboozled people are easier to
    manipulate!

    you've been living in exactly that world all your life jeremy!

    as indeed has everyone :)

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, September 01, 2018 14:32:22
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    It has always existed, but not to anywhere near the extent
    it does lately in the US. And the world should not run that way.
    Nor should even a simple discussion.

    ***

    Important principles of 'firehosing':

    "Research shows that if we hear a lie from multiple sources,
    we think of it as more credible. The same is true for lies we
    hear repeatedly."

    "They don't care that much about the truth. Much of their propaganda
    is either completely false or has a kernel of truth."

    Masha Gessen: "they just create sort of this unmanageable volume
    of falsehoods. You have to engage with what he said, even though
    it's false. There is nothing quite so humiliating and disempowering
    as trying to prove the truth. It's sullying - you feel you've engaged
    with something that shouldn't be..."

    "The ultimate goal... is to rob concepts like 'facts' and 'reality'
    of their power. To reduce truth to just a position."

    "Essentially, 'reality' becomes about picking sides."

    ***

    That is a disgusting travesty. And unfortunately, Slider, it is
    how you usually conduct an argument. It's all you did regarding
    that major research just posted. You just picked a side and then
    yammered about it, meaninglessly. It's almost all you ever do.

    .

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  • From chorro@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, September 01, 2018 15:28:34
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    big bullshit, gaslighting to the 't'.

    umpire sez "you're fucking out"

    getta outta here. (points to the dugout)

    game over. beat it.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, September 02, 2018 00:08:05
    From: slider@anashram.com

    big bullshit, gaslighting to the 't'.

    umpire sez "you're fucking out"

    getta outta here. (points to the dugout)

    game over. beat it.

    ### - (throws his headgear on the ground...)

    oh for cryin' out loud, what have i done now??? (really laffing hehehe...)

    am i really THAT bad already??

    am outta here... jeez :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, September 02, 2018 00:03:58
    From: slider@anashram.com

    That is a disgusting travesty. And unfortunately, Slider, it is
    how you usually conduct an argument. It's all you did regarding
    that major research just posted. You just picked a side and then
    yammered about it, meaninglessly. It's almost all you ever do.

    ### - no, i merely voiced my 'own' opinion first and then 'found' things
    to back it up...

    and is actually more like any time it starts going the way 'you' don't want/like, and/or you have your pov challenged, you merely deflect to
    attacking the person you're talking with and switch from talking with them
    to talking at them... just like you're doing right now: deliberately
    derailing any further debate because you've lost interest in it by dint of possibly being in error :)

    the points i made are valid + reasonable enough from a sceptics objective
    (thus doubting) pov + have endless historical examples to back it up...

    truth is, that bamboozling shit's been with us since time immemorial, it's
    only 'you' it's all new to! and you've become typically fanatical about it!

    whereas i've been talking about this shit in a very relaxed manner for the
    last 20 years in one form or another lol :)

    and it's all there in the archive in b/w to anyone to see! endless
    examples!

    else prove me wrong! (you should enjoy doing that heh) although every time
    i challenge you to actually do that... you can't??

    give concrete examples please, that should be easy enough 'if' what you
    say is so correct?

    but you can't can you, so you switch to gaslighting instead duh :)

    which, incidentally, *isn't* the best example of intelligence i've ever
    come across either heh...

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  • From Jeremy H. Donovan@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, September 01, 2018 19:09:09
    From: jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com

    Was Chris talking to you or to me?
    I honestly couldn't tell.

    As I see it, for months now I've been
    doing the equivalent of a person in 1940
    trying to warn people about Nazi tactics.
    And they're all just like "hey, it's
    always been like this, stop bothering me
    you asshole".

    .

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  • From chorro@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, September 01, 2018 19:29:24
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    not referring to slider here.
    take a guess gasbag.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, September 02, 2018 06:44:13
    From: slider@anashram.com

    As I see it, for months now

    ### - ahem, cough-cough... for around the last 24+ months, actually!



    I've been
    doing the equivalent of a person in 1940
    trying to warn people about Nazi tactics.
    And they're all just like "hey, it's
    always been like this, stop bothering me
    you asshole".

    ### - iow: completely outta date/behind the times haha :)

    besides, right-wing tactics are well-known and have been since the
    year-dot...

    the 'owners' simply wanna keep what they gots, they don't change??

    they upgrade but they don't... change!

    it's them keeping everything the way it is! under the thumb!

    the left resists/modifies them (purports to keep them in-check) and is ultimately how the left came into being!

    the only difference tho' between now & 100 years ago politically being the right now has access to computers! :)

    your whole argument being that trumpy-boy's worse than anything ever
    before??

    well hello, the 'whole world' is worse than it's ever been before! has
    never 'been' so fucking bad!

    is (and has been) literally teetering on the brink of disaster for the
    longest time!

    and it's ALWAYS the right-wing that pushes that envelope!

    imho trumpy's policies are only prolly currently 95% of what just about
    'any' right-wing leader would be doing right now anyway! it's what the
    times call for! sharp cuts in public spending & increased austerity! (for
    the poor that is, of course heh...) the rest is all just his showboating
    and grandstanding + playing to the crowd and loving it! reveling in it!

    and because in reality he's just a... front-man!

    and not even a very good one at that...

    a wannabe superstar prez!

    (at least clinton played sax?)

    :)

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to jewedus on Monday, September 03, 2018 10:00:49
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 3:28:34 PM UTC-7, jewedus wrote:
    big bullshit, gaslighting to the 't'.

    umpire sez "you're fucking out"

    getta outta here. (points to the dugout)

    game over. beat it.

    (Was Chris talking to you or to me?
    I honestly couldn't tell.)

    not referring to slider here.
    take a guess gasbag.

    Well, you eventually did a nice job of looking up the term,
    as I suggested. The most accurate short description you located was:

    "specifically when an abuser manipulates information in such a way as
    to make a victim question his or her sanity. Gaslighting intentionally
    makes someone doubt their memories or perception of reality."

    Now you just need to learn how to apply that description to
    real-world examples.

    Hint: more than one person here *has* recently attempted this,
    but it wasn't me. And if you thought I tried to do that to you
    (or others), I'd say you're simply mistaken and challenge you to
    quote it taking place. Merely being critical and/or exposing
    irrational argumentats (even ridiculing people) isn't 'gaslighting'.

    So after review the ump's call is overturned.
    And guess what, there's still no 'ump' here anyway. :)

    .

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Monday, September 03, 2018 11:13:07
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    Since it's Labor Day, a cartoon on the subject:

    Non Sequitur by Wiley:
    https://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2018/09/02

    .

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to slider on Monday, September 03, 2018 11:03:25
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 10:44:15 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:

    I've been
    doing the equivalent of a person in 1940
    trying to warn people about Nazi tactics.
    And they're all just like "hey, it's
    always been like this, stop bothering me
    you asshole".

    ### - iow: completely outta date/behind the times haha :)

    besides, right-wing tactics are well-known and have been since the year-dot...

    What's happening now is not much like anything that came before.
    You keep refusing to see the facts in order to hold onto your
    cynical worldview.

    Examples pop up almost daily of how different this situation is.
    Below are quotes from three eulogies given at John McCain's funeral.
    Trump was playing golf that day since he wasn't welcome there.

    George W. Bush:
    “He was honorable, always recognizing that his opponents were still patriots and human beings. He loved freedom, with the passion of a man who knew its absence. He respected the dignity inherent in every life, a dignity that does not stop at borders
    and cannot be erased by dictators. Perhaps above all, John detested the abuse of power. He could not abide bigots and swaggering despots.”

    Barack Obama:
    “John cared about the institutions of self-government — our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, rule of law and separation of powers. … He understood that if we get in the habit of bending the truth to suit political expediency or party orthodoxy,
    our democracy will not work. … John understood, as J.F.K. understood, as Ronald Reagan understood, that part of what makes our country great is that our
    membership is based not on our bloodline; not on what we look like, what our last names are.”

    Meghan McCain (McCain's daughter):
    “The America of John McCain is generous and welcoming and bold. She is resourceful and confident and secure. She meets her responsibilities. She speaks quietly because she is strong. America does not boast because she has no
    need to. The America of
    John McCain has no need to be made great again because America was always great.”

    (The cathedral then broke into applause, not exactly a common occurrence during
    a eulogy.)

    John McCain was a Republican senator, of course. He was also a
    Republican candidate for president. Yet Republican president Trump
    is not even welcome at his funeral. That shit is unlike anything that
    has ever happened in our country before in sooo many ways, up to
    and including our last two former presidents from BOTH parties
    regularly denouncing the bum. :)


    your whole argument being that trumpy-boy's worse than anything ever before??

    well hello, the 'whole world' is worse than it's ever been before! has never 'been' so fucking bad!

    Specifically that Trumpy-boy is much worse, yes. So you seem to agree,
    but then you make an exaggerated generic assertion that's irrational.
    One more time: you ignore the facts just in order to hold onto your
    own cynical worldview.

    To state it generically as a formula: your cynical opinion always
    trumps any number of facts. (Just as it does for Trump, btw.)

    See, 'your opinion' is not ever in any way 'equal' to a large
    well-conducted global scientific study by an unbiased organization.
    Those two things just aren't in any way equal. They never will be.

    And why do you do it? Well, to repeat something important from above:
    "The ultimate goal... is to rob concepts like 'facts' and 'reality'
    of their power. To reduce truth to just a position. Essentially,
    'reality' becomes about picking sides."

    Unfortunately, you do this almost as often as Trump does. You merely
    do it in the service of a different ideology, one that is perhaps
    less damaging than his is, but it's the same tactic.

    .

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