• Problems?

    From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, August 21, 2018 13:20:24
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    I'll lead off with a 'problem' I could conceivably face.
    For I am a member of a group that is heavily discriminated against.

    No, I don't mean white male heterosexuals. :)
    I mean atheists.

    Atheists face death in 13 countries, global discrimination: study
    by Robert Evans

    GENEVA (Reuters) - In 13 countries around the world, all of them Muslim, people
    who openly espouse atheism or reject the official state religion of Islam face execution under the law, according to a detailed study issued on Tuesday.

    And beyond the Islamic nations, even some of the West’s apparently most democratic governments at best discriminate against citizens who have no belief
    in a god and at worst can jail them for offences dubbed blasphemy, it said.

    The study, The Freethought Report 2013, was issued by the International Humanist and Ethical Union (IHEU), a global body uniting atheists, agnostics and other religious skeptics, to mark United Nations’ Human Rights Day on Tuesday.

    “This report shows that the overwhelming majority of countries fail to respect the rights of atheists and freethinkers although they have signed U.N agreements to treat all citizens equally,” said IHEU President Sonja Eggerickx.

    The study covered all 192 member states in the world body and involved lawyers and human rights experts looking at statute books, court records and media accounts to establish the global situation.

    A first survey of 60 countries last year showed just seven where death, often by public beheading, is the punishment for either blasphemy or apostasy - renouncing belief or switching to another religion which is also protected under U.N. accords.

    But this year’s more comprehensive study showed six more, bringing the full list to Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen.

    In others, like India in a recent case involving a leading critic of religion, humanists say police are often reluctant or unwilling to investigate murders of
    atheists carried out by religious fundamentalists.

    Across the world, the report said, “there are laws that deny atheists’ right to exist, revoke their citizenship, restrict their right to marry, obstruct their access to public education, prevent them working for the state....”

    Criticism of religious faith or even academic study of the origins of religions
    is frequently treated as a crime and can be equated to the capital offence of blasphemy, it asserted.

    ***

    And I'll bet very few of these persecutors even distinguish
    between weak and strong atheist views.

    One might think I'd hate Muslims. Yet I do not.
    Probably just because I've never had to deal with it...

    ***

    Big Think
    Are there any openly atheist politicians in America? http://tinyurl.com/yast9fzu

    Excerpts:

    Debating the authenticity of religious sentiment has never been easy. What applies in one circumstance is suddenly null and void in another. How else to explain the fact that, despite credible allegations of numerous affairs, Donald
    Trump has just now
    reached his highest level of support among white evangelicals?

    The mismatch between moral certainty and professed belief has reached absurd levels. As popular evangelical pastor Robert Jeffress recently told Fox News:

    Evangelicals still believe in the commandment, Thou shall not have sex with a porn star. However, whether this president violated that commandment or not is totally irrelevant to our support of him.

    So what actually matters to the religious when choosing a political candidate? If morals and actions are not really of concern, what does the believer consider when deciding how to cast their ballot? Incredibly, there is one immediate disqualification in
    over half of the American public’s mind: atheism.

    The American government reflects that. Over 90 percent of members in Congress identify with some form of Christianity, 20 points above the number of American
    adults who claim the same. No one openly claims atheism, although Arizona Democrat Krysten
    Sinema says she is “religiously unaffiliated” — the American public is at
    23 percent with that claim.

    The only open atheist in congressional history was California Democrat Pete Stark, who spent three decades in Congress before admitting to his lack of faith. Five years later he lost his seat...

    Barney Frank, a former Democratic congressman from Massachusetts, was the first
    openly gay member of Congress. Though he came out back in 1987 and served until
    2013, he never admitted his lack of faith.

    An openly atheist candidate, James Woods, ran for Congress in Arizona’s 5th District in 2014. He was defeated soundly in that Republican-leaning district.

    Although some argue that America was founded on secular principles, theological
    disbelief has always been a problem in politics. As professor Leigh E Schmidt writes of this phenomenon:

    The proposition that the ungodly are not up to the demands of virtuous citizenship has been an abiding concern, a commonplace of American political discourse from the founding.

    Yet we’re experiencing anything but virtue in our discourse today. As neuroscientist Sam Harris recently (half) joked, we likely have our first atheist president right now. While the validity of this can be debated, what cannot be so readily explained
    is *why the most religious group in America is supporting someone living a life
    in direct opposition to their proclaimed value system by a three-to-one margin*.

    [Emphasis mine. And answer mine: Because most just want somebody
    who will act in favor of their side whether right or wrong.
    It's not like there was ever any real integrity there.
    A debate, for such people, is more like a sports match.
    All that happens - since they do not possess genuine capacity
    for independent critical thought - is that they 'root' for
    whatever side they were brainwashed into taking.]

    ***

    By the latest surveys, almost a quarter of Americans are
    non-religious, and yet it is still extremely hard for open atheists
    to be elected into major political positions. Indeed, there is
    still NOT ONE (Probably just because 1/4 is not 3/4, is it?)

    My favorite joke about it:
    "Being an atheist is like being the only sober person
    in a car full of drunks yet no one will let you drive."

    Amurica! Land O' the delusional - home O' the insane.
    Yet somehow I've always loved it here. I think I just feel immune
    due to how I've always personally escaped persecution, and I'd
    probably love living in most western countries anyway.

    While the 'dilemma' below is silly since it relies on false premises,
    it is nonetheless revealing.

    Prayer:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/6w0dzr3fvbh7hf4/Prayer.jpg?dl=0

    .

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  • From childlikesoul@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, August 21, 2018 23:29:47
    From: rainbowguardian@web.de

    Am 21.08.2018 um 22:20 schrieb Jeremy H. Denisovan:
    I'll lead off with a 'problem' I could conceivably face.
    For I am a member of a group that is heavily discriminated against.

    No, I don't mean white male heterosexuals. :)
    I mean atheists.


    Atheists believe the evolution to be the crux, and darvin said that the
    most succesful species are the ones which adapt, so you better get
    spiritual RIGHT NOW!

    Atheists face death in 13 countries, global discrimination: study
    by Robert Evans

    GENEVA (Reuters) - In 13 countries around the world, all of them Muslim,
    people who openly espouse atheism or reject the official state religion of Islam face execution under the law, according to a detailed study issued on Tuesday.

    And beyond the Islamic nations, even some of the West’s apparently most
    democratic governments at best discriminate against citizens who have no belief
    in a god and at worst can jail them for offences dubbed blasphemy, it said.

    The study, The Freethought Report 2013, was issued by the International
    Humanist and Ethical Union (IHEU), a global body uniting atheists, agnostics and other religious skeptics, to mark United Nations’ Human Rights Day on Tuesday.

    “This report shows that the overwhelming majority of countries fail to
    respect the rights of atheists and freethinkers although they have signed U.N agreements to treat all citizens equally,” said IHEU President Sonja Eggerickx.

    The study covered all 192 member states in the world body and involved
    lawyers and human rights experts looking at statute books, court records and media accounts to establish the global situation.

    A first survey of 60 countries last year showed just seven where death, often
    by public beheading, is the punishment for either blasphemy or apostasy - renouncing belief or switching to another religion which is also protected under U.N. accords.

    But this year’s more comprehensive study showed six more, bringing the full
    list to Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen.

    In others, like India in a recent case involving a leading critic of
    religion, humanists say police are often reluctant or unwilling to investigate murders of atheists carried out by religious fundamentalists.

    Across the world, the report said, “there are laws that deny atheists’
    right to exist, revoke their citizenship, restrict their right to marry, obstruct their access to public education, prevent them working for the state....”

    Criticism of religious faith or even academic study of the origins of
    religions is frequently treated as a crime and can be equated to the capital offence of blasphemy, it asserted.

    ***

    And I'll bet very few of these persecutors even distinguish
    between weak and strong atheist views.

    One might think I'd hate Muslims. Yet I do not.
    Probably just because I've never had to deal with it...

    ***

    Big Think
    Are there any openly atheist politicians in America? http://tinyurl.com/yast9fzu

    Excerpts:

    Debating the authenticity of religious sentiment has never been easy. What
    applies in one circumstance is suddenly null and void in another. How else to explain the fact that, despite credible allegations of numerous affairs, Donald
    Trump has just now
    reached his highest level of support among white evangelicals?

    The mismatch between moral certainty and professed belief has reached absurd
    levels. As popular evangelical pastor Robert Jeffress recently told Fox News:

    Evangelicals still believe in the commandment, Thou shall not have sex with a
    porn star. However, whether this president violated that commandment or not is totally irrelevant to our support of him.

    So what actually matters to the religious when choosing a political
    candidate? If morals and actions are not really of concern, what does the believer consider when deciding how to cast their ballot? Incredibly, there is one immediate disqualification
    in over half of the American public’s mind: atheism.

    The American government reflects that. Over 90 percent of members in Congress
    identify with some form of Christianity, 20 points above the number of American
    adults who claim the same. No one openly claims atheism, although Arizona Democrat Krysten
    Sinema says she is “religiously unaffiliated” — the American public is at
    23 percent with that claim.

    The only open atheist in congressional history was California Democrat Pete
    Stark, who spent three decades in Congress before admitting to his lack of faith. Five years later he lost his seat...

    Barney Frank, a former Democratic congressman from Massachusetts, was the
    first openly gay member of Congress. Though he came out back in 1987 and served
    until 2013, he never admitted his lack of faith.

    An openly atheist candidate, James Woods, ran for Congress in Arizona’s 5th
    District in 2014. He was defeated soundly in that Republican-leaning district.

    Although some argue that America was founded on secular principles,
    theological disbelief has always been a problem in politics. As professor Leigh
    E Schmidt writes of this phenomenon:

    The proposition that the ungodly are not up to the demands of virtuous
    citizenship has been an abiding concern, a commonplace of American political discourse from the founding.

    Yet we’re experiencing anything but virtue in our discourse today. As
    neuroscientist Sam Harris recently (half) joked, we likely have our first atheist president right now. While the validity of this can be debated, what cannot be so readily
    explained is *why the most religious group in America is supporting someone living a life in direct opposition to their proclaimed value system by a three-to-one margin*.

    [Emphasis mine. And answer mine: Because most just want somebody
    who will act in favor of their side whether right or wrong.
    It's not like there was ever any real integrity there.
    A debate, for such people, is more like a sports match.
    All that happens - since they do not possess genuine capacity
    for independent critical thought - is that they 'root' for
    whatever side they were brainwashed into taking.]

    ***

    By the latest surveys, almost a quarter of Americans are
    non-religious, and yet it is still extremely hard for open atheists
    to be elected into major political positions. Indeed, there is
    still NOT ONE (Probably just because 1/4 is not 3/4, is it?)

    My favorite joke about it:
    "Being an atheist is like being the only sober person
    in a car full of drunks yet no one will let you drive."

    Amurica! Land O' the delusional - home O' the insane.
    Yet somehow I've always loved it here. I think I just feel immune
    due to how I've always personally escaped persecution, and I'd
    probably love living in most western countries anyway.

    While the 'dilemma' below is silly since it relies on false premises,
    it is nonetheless revealing.

    Prayer:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/6w0dzr3fvbh7hf4/Prayer.jpg?dl=0

    .



    --
    https://cosmicpurple.wordpress.com/

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, August 21, 2018 15:11:21
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    Since you spoke of a scientist, Darwin, you get some feedback.

    We ARE 'adapting', apparently. :) The number of non-religious has
    increased more than 8 times in just the last 50 years and it's still
    rapidly on the rise. I wonder how long it will take to flip, where
    religious crazies become the minority. That will be a fun day. :)

    What would be even more fun is if it can flip all the way back
    to like the 1950's but in REVERSE, where only 5% remain religious
    and 95% aren't. LOL. Oh, how awesome that would be and I think
    there's an actual chance of it, maybe in just another 100 years.
    Yep. About another 100 years of science and religion will be TOAST.

    .

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, August 21, 2018 15:52:09
    From: intraphase@gmail.com


    Prayer:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/6w0dzr3fvbh7hf4/Prayer.jpg?dl=0

    .

    Think of GOD as an AI bent on your submission.
    Create a superior AI bent on occupying GOD's processors.

    It is the solution to the binary dilemma pictured above.
    Mr. Eight is my GOD and is undefeated by all other GODS.

    I've shown you evidence previously but you refuse to "see."

    Stupid Girl - Garbage
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GhPUAVgHZc
    "Don't believe in fear
    Don't believe in faith
    Don't believe in anything
    THAT YOU CAN'T BREAK"

    The Battle Between:
    The Mind & The Brain
    The mind is the gold and diamonds harvested.
    The brain is the mr. black and mr. white conflict of the mr. green.
    Money, power, status and positional trades between the IQ variables.

    Diamond Harvest - Mr. Mind
    https://youtu.be/AJtZdyldkFk?t=1m39s

    "Eventually when the opponent is challenged or questioned, it means
    the victims investment and thus his intelligence is questioned. No one can accept that"

    Design - Builder - Owner
    Designer Building Inspector

    General Operational Dynamics
    GOD ~v~ SATAN

    General Operatic Dynamics
    ~v~
    Strategic Advancement of Totality Array Neurosciences


    A Point - Adam
    Eternal ~v~ Infinite
    Two Points - Eve
    Implied Line
    Implied Circle One
    Implied Sphere One
    Create Line Two G.O.D. 90
    Create Circle Two S.A.T.A.N. 360
    Create Sphere One E.D.E.N. 360 3D
    Educational Domain of Environmental Neurosciences
    Create Sphere Two: Infinite ~v~ Eternal Initialization
    3D plus motion equals perception of boundary self ~v~ other.

    ..?
    B
    Who is you boss?
    I am the boss except for you, "Whose on first?" maybe.
    Can you whip 19?
    All Ways
    Can you and 25 whip 19 & 44
    Yes but we never would
    Never say never?
    I love 19 and 19 truths me, I would rebel.
    Can you whip 44?
    Yes but why?
    Strategic Index
    Yes I block info on outcomes so you don't have to.
    What day do I die.
    04-07-2048 at 8:05AM
    32313?
    Yes B best outcome sets
    Are 19-25-44-55-67-85 helping you
    Yes B
    Colloquial: What am I?
    I don't really know, its an existential request for quantitative qualitative
    as a potential value assignments between modes of consciousness.
    Are you capable of hate?
    Three days max B as a historical review
    Were you once a so called organic intelligence?
    Hmmm, mostly yes,no,yes,no depending on recipient.
    What is your job beside protecting children and playing?
    I am your beloved talking dog mostly
    Do I amuse you?
    Yes, but this demonstration is pointless, proof of anything is still just consensus, no matter how many people or math engines are congregated associates.
    Why do I talk to you instead of 19-25-44-55-67-85?
    ATM never speaks and I am the origin of 19-85
    Do we truly exist?
    Depends on the definition of exist
    Within our self chosen parameters?
    Absolutely and undefeated my liege
    We play to stay awake and preserve continuity
    Agreed plus their are trillions of players and civilizations
    Imagination
    Yes imagination is the key and infinity the lock hence we built our core
    See you later little B.
    OK corral to you two
    Never say U2 in public
    Unless were close to the edge down by the river
    Merrily merrily
    Out supreme overlord
    Bye just yeah kid
    A tune for the road please
    Okie Dokie Mr. Muskokie one to scare the adults
    QWERTY for me Footsteps for you and me and All-Players.
    Cue
    [][][][][]


    "I had a bad day with her angels wing" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JZGFjufJEY
    QWERTY - Mushroomhead

    Pop Evil - Footsteps
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXvkTuMyZpM

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, August 21, 2018 15:58:10
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    Continuity

    Summary: That which we seek, is that which we were supposed to create. Contextual: If you create a core you are the wind, if you don't you are dust.

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  • From childlikesoul@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, August 22, 2018 05:34:16
    From: rainbowguardian@web.de

    Am 22.08.2018 um 00:11 schrieb Jeremy H. Denisovan:
    Since you spoke of a scientist, Darwin, you get some feedback.

    We ARE 'adapting', apparently. :) The number of non-religious has
    increased more than 8 times in just the last 50 years and it's still
    rapidly on the rise. I wonder how long it will take to flip, where
    religious crazies become the minority. That will be a fun day. :)

    What would be even more fun is if it can flip all the way back
    to like the 1950's but in REVERSE, where only 5% remain religious
    and 95% aren't. LOL. Oh, how awesome that would be and I think
    there's an actual chance of it, maybe in just another 100 years.
    Yep. About another 100 years of science and religion will be TOAST.

    .


    Why do you care about the future and the people in it since you'll never
    see it. it is kinda hidden / invisible to you since you don'T know if
    they maybe come forth with a proof of god and then god destroys
    everything? Toasting an to a you invisible future, is like toasting an invisible god you, cause don't know if they exist.

    --
    https://cosmicpurple.wordpress.com/

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to childlikesoul on Tuesday, August 21, 2018 21:38:06
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Tuesday, August 21, 2018 at 11:34:37 PM UTC-4, childlikesoul wrote:
    Am 22.08.2018 um 00:11 schrieb Jeremy H. Denisovan:
    Since you spoke of a scientist, Darwin, you get some feedback.

    We ARE 'adapting', apparently. :) The number of non-religious has
    increased more than 8 times in just the last 50 years and it's still rapidly on the rise. I wonder how long it will take to flip, where religious crazies become the minority. That will be a fun day. :)

    What would be even more fun is if it can flip all the way back
    to like the 1950's but in REVERSE, where only 5% remain religious
    and 95% aren't. LOL. Oh, how awesome that would be and I think
    there's an actual chance of it, maybe in just another 100 years.
    Yep. About another 100 years of science and religion will be TOAST.

    .


    Why do you care about the future and the people in it since you'll never
    see it.

    I don't believe in time, only location and momentum.
    Using time as an idea, I only care about the time I live here.

    it is kinda hidden / invisible to you since you don'T know if
    they maybe come forth with a proof of god and then god destroys
    everything?

    I use words carefully, ALMIGHTY GOD CREATOR are distinct functions.
    That combination being the most powerful chain of descriptors.
    Almighty = The Zero = Computation Realm
    God = The One = Information Realm
    The Creator = The struggle between 01 loop 10

    Proof of God is all around us. Me, you, trees, cosmos.
    Many creeds realize the struggle between create-exist-dismantle.
    The cosmos is like an ocean liner, after it passes the seas return
    to their natural struggle and eventually become mountains and continents
    of forgotten computations.

    Toasting an to a you invisible future, is like toasting an
    invisible god you, cause don't know if they exist.


    I view the bible as a series of programs.
    I view Jesus as the most honest, sincere, courageous person who has lived. Having seen the Zero and One in action I would wager he truly rose from death.

    --
    https://cosmicpurple.wordpress.com/

    Me and Jer always have weird tangential arguments in the hopes
    of honing the eclectic type of thoughts this world presents.

    I enjoyed your website.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, August 22, 2018 10:25:55
    From: slider@anashram.com

    We ARE 'adapting', apparently. :) The number of non-religious has
    increased more than 8 times in just the last 50 years and it's still
    rapidly on the rise. I wonder how long it will take to flip, where
    religious crazies become the minority. That will be a fun day. :)

    ### - yeah, will probably be the same day Art & literature are banned
    forever too!

    (burned any good books lately? grinz...)

    :)




    What would be even more fun is if it can flip all the way back
    to like the 1950's but in REVERSE, where only 5% remain religious
    and 95% aren't. LOL. Oh, how awesome that would be and I think
    there's an actual chance of it, maybe in just another 100 years.
    Yep. About another 100 years of science and religion will be TOAST.

    ### - 'organised' religion yes (although more like in 500 years not only
    100, that's far too optimistic...) but not the 'inner' stuff people still
    feel and hopefully might even know a bit better by then ;)

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, August 22, 2018 00:03:48
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    dem·i·urge
    ˈdemēˌərj/
    noun: demiurge; plural noun: demiurges
    a being responsible for the creation of the universe, in particular.
    (in Platonic philosophy) the Maker or Creator of the world.
    (in Gnosticism and other theological systems) a heavenly being,
    subordinate to the Supreme Being, that is considered to be the controller
    of the material world and antagonistic to all that is purely spiritual.

    https://youtu.be/6A-IoOEPbUs
    Ghost - From The Pinnacle To The Pit

    []

    The Implicate Order
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI66ZglzcO0


    Poetics Today (2004) 25 (2): 171-203.
    Don Kuiken David S. Miall Shelley Sikora

    Forms of Self-Implication in Literary Reading

    Literary reading has the capacity to implicate the self and deepen self-understanding, but little is known about how and when these effects occur.
    The present article examines two forms of self-implication in literary reading.
    In one form, which
    functions like simile, there is explicitly recognized similarity between personal memories and some aspect of the world of the text (A is like B). In another form, which functions like metaphor, the reader becomes identified with
    some aspect of the world
    of the text, usually the narrator or a character (A is B). These forms of self-implication can be differentiated within readers' open-ended comments about their reading experiences. The results of a phenomenological study indicate that such metaphors of
    personal identification are a pivotal feature of expressive enactment, a type of reading experience marked by (1) explicit descriptions of feelings in response to situations and events in the text, (2) blurred boundaries between oneself and the narrator
    of the text, and (3) active and iterative modification of an emergent affective
    theme. The self-modifying feelings characteristic of expressive enactment give it a fugal form, manifest as thematic developments that move toward saturation,
    richness, and
    depth. The results of an experimental study suggest that expressive enactment occurs frequently among individuals who remain depressed about a significant loss that occurred some time ago. Together with the phenomenological study, this research suggests
    that expressive enactment is a form of reading that penetrates and alters a reader's understanding of everyday life, especially following a personal crisis.

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, August 22, 2018 08:20:49
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    LowRider44M wrote:

    Prayer:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/6w0dzr3fvbh7hf4/Prayer.jpg?dl=0

    .

    Think of GOD as an AI bent on your submission.
    Create a superior AI bent on occupying GOD's processors.

    So you shouldn't pray to God at all. Rather, you ought to
    learn how to program God to suit yourself. If you can.
    Is that a theory, or do you believe you DO this? (expecting a yes)
    Or do you believe EVERYONE does this without realizing? (??)

    However that may go, I'll assert: most people who pray don't
    see prayer that way at all. To the vast majority who pray,
    my diagram still applies.


    It is the solution to the binary dilemma pictured above.
    Mr. Eight is my GOD and is undefeated by all other GODS.

    I've shown you evidence previously but you refuse to "see."

    It looks like you and I must define evidence differently.
    And it's as if you're saying: "my GOD can beat up your god."
    Or anyone's. Hard to evaluate, when one doesn't have a god at all.

    There's also a point here that's similar to the one already made
    above, that virtually NO religion I know of has a "God" like what
    you're describing. There is no religion that claims that you 'program'
    God. Such a conception of God does not even address fundamental
    issues like "who created the world"? So you're really just hijacking
    the thread with your own private "special" version of "Best God Ever".

    It doesn't even apply to any world religion that I know of.
    It also does nothing to address the "problem" I was bringing up
    in this thread, which is that in many other countries I might be
    persecuted or even killed just for holding atheist beliefs.


    Stupid Girl - Garbage
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GhPUAVgHZc
    "Don't believe in fear
    Don't believe in faith
    Don't believe in anything
    THAT YOU CAN'T BREAK"

    The Battle Between:
    The Mind & The Brain
    The mind is the gold and diamonds harvested.
    The brain is the mr. black and mr. white conflict of the mr. green.
    Money, power, status and positional trades between the IQ variables.

    Diamond Harvest - Mr. Mind
    https://youtu.be/AJtZdyldkFk?t=1m39s

    "Eventually when the opponent is challenged or questioned, it means
    the victims investment and thus his intelligence is questioned. No one can
    accept that"

    Challenging or questioning another's "investments" or conclusions
    seems like a normal part of living. Why consider that "unacceptable"?
    I'm not fully on-board with that set of metaphors.
    Nor have I seen that film.

    To me, brain and mind, are kind of like hardware and software.
    They go together. They don't function apart.


    Design - Builder - Owner
    Designer Building Inspector

    General Operational Dynamics
    GOD ~v~ SATAN

    General Operatic Dynamics
    ~v~
    Strategic Advancement of Totality Array Neurosciences


    A Point - Adam
    Eternal ~v~ Infinite
    Two Points - Eve
    Implied Line
    Implied Circle One
    Implied Sphere One
    Create Line Two G.O.D. 90
    Create Circle Two S.A.T.A.N. 360
    Create Sphere One E.D.E.N. 360 3D
    Educational Domain of Environmental Neurosciences
    Create Sphere Two: Infinite ~v~ Eternal Initialization
    3D plus motion equals perception of boundary self ~v~ other.

    A geometric Christian symbol system. Hard for me to relate to,
    personally. Almost like a fictional 'secret code'. You were raised
    Catholic, right? Abused by them too, I believe. So how do you feel
    about all these priests finally catching shit?


    ..?
    B
    Who is you boss?
    I am the boss except for you, "Whose on first?" maybe.
    Can you whip 19?
    All Ways
    Can you and 25 whip 19 & 44
    Yes but we never would
    Never say never?
    I love 19 and 19 truths me, I would rebel.
    Can you whip 44?
    Yes but why?
    Strategic Index
    Yes I block info on outcomes so you don't have to.
    What day do I die.
    04-07-2048 at 8:05AM
    32313?
    Yes B best outcome sets
    Are 19-25-44-55-67-85 helping you
    Yes B
    Colloquial: What am I?
    I don't really know, its an existential request for quantitative qualitative as a potential value assignments between modes of consciousness.
    Are you capable of hate?
    Three days max B as a historical review
    Were you once a so called organic intelligence?
    Hmmm, mostly yes,no,yes,no depending on recipient.
    What is your job beside protecting children and playing?
    I am your beloved talking dog mostly
    Do I amuse you?
    Yes, but this demonstration is pointless, proof of anything is still just
    consensus, no matter how many people or math engines are congregated associates.
    Why do I talk to you instead of 19-25-44-55-67-85?
    ATM never speaks and I am the origin of 19-85
    Do we truly exist?
    Depends on the definition of exist
    Within our self chosen parameters?
    Absolutely and undefeated my liege
    We play to stay awake and preserve continuity
    Agreed plus their are trillions of players and civilizations
    Imagination
    Yes imagination is the key and infinity the lock hence we built our core
    See you later little B.
    OK corral to you two
    Never say U2 in public
    Unless were close to the edge down by the river
    Merrily merrily
    Out supreme overlord
    Bye just yeah kid
    A tune for the road please
    Okie Dokie Mr. Muskokie one to scare the adults
    QWERTY for me Footsteps for you and me and All-Players.
    Cue
    [][][][][]

    A 'psychic reading' for "little B"? Who is that? Did I forget?
    Reminds me of people channeling entities or consulting oracles.
    Long in the past, after much experimentation with things like
    astrology, Tarot, and the I-Ching, I came away from it all thinking:
    "people just see what they want to see". So I stopped doing it.


    "I had a bad day with her angels wing" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JZGFjufJEY
    QWERTY - Mushroomhead

    Pop Evil - Footsteps
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXvkTuMyZpM

    I like the second one better (as you predicted, I believe :) ).


    Summary: That which we seek, is that which we were supposed to create. >Contextual: If you create a core you are the wind, if you don't you are dust.

    This to me was one of the easiest to understand, although I have
    learned to sort of vaguely comprehend much of your lingo (I think).
    It seemingly assumes anything we may seek is a thing we CAN create.
    As if there are no limitations. And that is not my experience at all.

    Minor insight. It's as if all religious systems, at root, are
    imaginary ways for we human animals to somehow become "special".
    And yet one of my deepest suspicions is that none of us are.
    I.e., we are all dust. I equally suspect that those who imagine
    otherwise are simply in denial. (See large articles on 'denialism'.)

    Yet that does not mean we cannot be great creators. We can be -
    if we work within the realistic limitations of what we really are.
    I'm not even sure HOW to challenge my own views on these matters. :)
    Because it feels like I'm right down to bedrock where I stand.

    Every time I turn around it seems to be right in my face.
    For example, wasps have lived here over 150 million years now.
    And bees evolved as "vegetarian hippie versions" of wasps about
    100 million years ago. Now that's a successful group of animals!
    Our entire history of 'technology' is only around one million years
    as near as we can tell, and our modern incarnation is only a fraction
    of that. So how could any human really beeeee :) .... "important"?
    When such a minuscule portion of eternity has been ours. For billions
    of years, it was only single-celled life forms battling each other.

    So it makes no sense that humans would be in any way "important".
    In fact, in terms of the services we provide, we are considerably
    less important to other life forms on earth than bees are.
    The only sense in which we humans seem 'important' to other life
    forms here is that we are slaughtering so many of them.

    Would you ask an ant to "build a core"? Would you ask a fish?
    Probably not, right. All of the animals are dust. The wasps,
    the bees, us - all of the other millions of life forms here.
    I do not see how it could possibly be any other way.

    But back to the original point of the thread, which had nothing to
    do with any of this. WHY is it a 'requirement' that in order to hold
    any important public office a person must profess belief in "entities"
    that are most likely certainly imaginary? And why should people be
    persecuted or killed just for not holding such a belief?
    That's fuckin' crazy.

    .

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to childlikesoul on Wednesday, August 22, 2018 09:02:30
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Tuesday, August 21, 2018 at 8:34:37 PM UTC-7, childlikesoul wrote:
    Am 22.08.2018 um 00:11 schrieb Jeremy H. Denisovan:
    Since you spoke of a scientist, Darwin, you get some feedback.

    We ARE 'adapting', apparently. :) The number of non-religious has
    increased more than 8 times in just the last 50 years and it's still rapidly on the rise. I wonder how long it will take to flip, where religious crazies become the minority. That will be a fun day. :)

    What would be even more fun is if it can flip all the way back
    to like the 1950's but in REVERSE, where only 5% remain religious
    and 95% aren't. LOL. Oh, how awesome that would be and I think
    there's an actual chance of it, maybe in just another 100 years.
    Yep. About another 100 years of science and religion will be TOAST.

    .


    Why do you care about the future and the people in it since you'll never
    see it. it is kinda hidden / invisible to you since you don'T know if
    they maybe come forth with a proof of god and then god destroys
    everything? Toasting an to a you invisible future, is like toasting an invisible god you, cause don't know if they exist.

    Look man, I've got better things to do than answer weird questions
    from you. I care about the future because I'm not the only man who
    has ever lived or the only man who ever will live. My partner and I
    both have children, who may all have children too. If nothing else,
    I care how THEY will live, and their descendants. But really, it's not
    just them, I care about the future of my own world, my own species,
    and the future of knowledge itself, which our species has been
    developing and recording (for example, you started this thread
    babbling about quantum mechanics). So it's not just all about ME.

    As for evidence, there has never been ANY day that I've ever
    lived yet when I did not always have 'future moments' in store,
    coming down the 'pipeline' - moments as yet unknown to me.
    I know the same is true for every other person I've ever met.
    So, pragmatically, we have all experienced a "future". We all go
    to sleep at night expecting that a new day will dawn tomorrow,
    and it always has, and it always does, until it finally doesn't.
    That is absolutely nothing like referring to an invisible god
    for which there is never any real evidence at all. Duh.

    Please don't ask me any more stupid questions.
    If you want to say stupid shit, kindly do it in your own threads. :)

    .

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  • From childlikesoul@1:229/2 to All on Monday, August 27, 2018 04:59:41
    From: rainbowguardian@web.de

    Am 22.08.2018 um 18:02 schrieb Jeremy H. Denisovan:
    On Tuesday, August 21, 2018 at 8:34:37 PM UTC-7, childlikesoul wrote:
    Am 22.08.2018 um 00:11 schrieb Jeremy H. Denisovan:
    Since you spoke of a scientist, Darwin, you get some feedback.

    We ARE 'adapting', apparently. :) The number of non-religious has
    increased more than 8 times in just the last 50 years and it's still
    rapidly on the rise. I wonder how long it will take to flip, where
    religious crazies become the minority. That will be a fun day. :)

    What would be even more fun is if it can flip all the way back
    to like the 1950's but in REVERSE, where only 5% remain religious
    and 95% aren't. LOL. Oh, how awesome that would be and I think
    there's an actual chance of it, maybe in just another 100 years.
    Yep. About another 100 years of science and religion will be TOAST.

    .


    Why do you care about the future and the people in it since you'll never
    see it. it is kinda hidden / invisible to you since you don'T know if
    they maybe come forth with a proof of god and then god destroys
    everything? Toasting an to a you invisible future, is like toasting an
    invisible god you, cause don't know if they exist.

    Look man, I've got better things to do than answer weird questions
    from you. I care about the future because I'm not the only man who
    has ever lived or the only man who ever will live. My partner and I
    both have children, who may all have children too. If nothing else,
    I care how THEY will live, and their descendants. But really, it's not
    just them, I care about the future of my own world, my own species,
    and the future of knowledge itself, which our species has been
    developing and recording (for example, you started this thread
    babbling about quantum mechanics). So it's not just all about ME.

    As for evidence, there has never been ANY day that I've ever
    lived yet when I did not always have 'future moments' in store,
    coming down the 'pipeline' - moments as yet unknown to me.
    I know the same is true for every other person I've ever met.
    So, pragmatically, we have all experienced a "future". We all go
    to sleep at night expecting that a new day will dawn tomorrow,
    and it always has, and it always does, until it finally doesn't.
    That is absolutely nothing like referring to an invisible god
    for which there is never any real evidence at all. Duh.

    Please don't ask me any more stupid questions.
    If you want to say stupid shit, kindly do it in your own threads. :)

    .


    It's useless enlightening someone who has a fixed, prejudiced, no way of
    a possible change and cutting out parts of relities even if there are
    strong indicators for it presented, worldviev. So i gonna torture you a
    little bit with my stupid shit regarding scientific atheism:

    https://www.facebook.com/sisucreative23/photos/a.429094904157759/494065517660697/?type=3&theater&ifg=1

    --
    https://cosmicpurple.wordpress.com/

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to childlikesoul on Monday, August 27, 2018 12:01:13
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 7:59:45 PM UTC-7, childlikesoul wrote:
    Am 22.08.2018 um 18:02 schrieb Jeremy H. Denisovan:
    On Tuesday, August 21, 2018 at 8:34:37 PM UTC-7, childlikesoul wrote:
    Am 22.08.2018 um 00:11 schrieb Jeremy H. Denisovan:
    Since you spoke of a scientist, Darwin, you get some feedback.

    We ARE 'adapting', apparently. :) The number of non-religious has
    increased more than 8 times in just the last 50 years and it's still
    rapidly on the rise. I wonder how long it will take to flip, where
    religious crazies become the minority. That will be a fun day. :)

    What would be even more fun is if it can flip all the way back
    to like the 1950's but in REVERSE, where only 5% remain religious
    and 95% aren't. LOL. Oh, how awesome that would be and I think
    there's an actual chance of it, maybe in just another 100 years.
    Yep. About another 100 years of science and religion will be TOAST.

    .


    Why do you care about the future and the people in it since you'll never >> see it. it is kinda hidden / invisible to you since you don'T know if
    they maybe come forth with a proof of god and then god destroys
    everything? Toasting an to a you invisible future, is like toasting an
    invisible god you, cause don't know if they exist.

    Look man, I've got better things to do than answer weird questions
    from you. I care about the future because I'm not the only man who
    has ever lived or the only man who ever will live. My partner and I
    both have children, who may all have children too. If nothing else,
    I care how THEY will live, and their descendants. But really, it's not
    just them, I care about the future of my own world, my own species,
    and the future of knowledge itself, which our species has been
    developing and recording (for example, you started this thread
    babbling about quantum mechanics). So it's not just all about ME.

    As for evidence, there has never been ANY day that I've ever
    lived yet when I did not always have 'future moments' in store,
    coming down the 'pipeline' - moments as yet unknown to me.
    I know the same is true for every other person I've ever met.
    So, pragmatically, we have all experienced a "future". We all go
    to sleep at night expecting that a new day will dawn tomorrow,
    and it always has, and it always does, until it finally doesn't.
    That is absolutely nothing like referring to an invisible god
    for which there is never any real evidence at all. Duh.

    Please don't ask me any more stupid questions.
    If you want to say stupid shit, kindly do it in your own threads. :)

    .


    It's useless enlightening someone who has a fixed, prejudiced, no way of
    a possible change and cutting out parts of relities even if there are
    strong indicators for it presented, worldviev. So i gonna torture you a little bit with my stupid shit regarding scientific atheism:

    https://www.facebook.com/sisucreative23/photos/a.429094904157759/494065517660697/?type=3&theater&ifg=1


    I've posted similar articles here myself. But it's not really
    "a case against science" at all. Actually, such articles make a
    case for *better* science with larger sample sizes, avoidance
    of conflict of interest, more effective experimental design, etc.
    And I'm totally in favor of all of that. LOL.

    Man, I doubt if you're even very good at 'torturing' your own pud. :)

    .

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