From: allreadydun@gmail.com

hey nothing to rag on about today?
son of a bitch! it MUST be a good day then.
do you feel lucky on 7-11 ? hell yes!

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

it's always something. . .

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 3:34:34 PM UTC-7, fuckowski wrote:

hey nothing to rag on about today?
son of a bitch! it MUST be a good day then.
do you feel lucky on 7-11 ? hell yes!

A good day for regressive autocratic nationalism, I suppose.
Something to rag on? Hell yes.

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

Reporter Shows The Links Between The Men Behind Brexit
And The Trump Campaign

TERRY GROSS
NPR

July 19, 2018

http://tinyurl.com/y8kuzhly

The Guardian's Carole Cadwalladr's investigation into Cambridge Analytica's role in Brexit has led her to Russian connections and the Trump campaign. She says British investigators are now "working very closely with the FBI."

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Observer's Carole Cadwalladr wins Orwell journalism prize
Reporter recognised for ‘amazing’ investigation into Cambridge Analytica

25 Jun 2018

The Observer and Guardian reporter Carole Cadwalladr has won the Orwell journalism prize for her investigation into the collapsed political consultancy
Cambridge Analytica.

The prize is awarded by the Orwell Foundation for the best political writing of
the year, with the support of the family of the writer George Orwell.

Cadwalladr said her experience of reporting the story, which resulted in the Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg issuing a public apology for the misuse of user data, had been “like being strapped to a freight train for the last 18 months”.

“What we are seeing here is a systemic failure,” Cadwalladr told an audience in central London after collecting the prize. “Our laws do not work and our regulators are unable to regulate. We do not have the information we need from the big tech
platforms.”

The judges praised her “whole set of amazing stories” and said they believed that “if George Orwell had been here he would have been unanimous in
choosing our winner”.

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Electoral law has been broken – this is a fight for the soul of our democracy Despite inadequate rules and toothless regulators, we must battle to safeguard our voting system

Carole Cadwalladr
8 Jul 2018
The Guardian

http://tinyurl.com/ybhqsgc5

Excerpts:

Matthew Elliott, the CEO of Vote Leave, the campaign headed by Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, both now government ministers, took the extraordinary step of
leaking the interim report of an Electoral Commission investigation which is still under way.

This found the campaign guilty of breaking electoral rules and law. Laws which are the bedrock of our entire electoral system.

Vote Leave, the official referendum campaign that was partly funded with taxpayers’ money, looks to have committed what may be one of the biggest incidents of electoral fraud in Britain in more than a century.

Two weeks ago, the Electoral Commission announced that “urgent action” needed to be taken, that it couldn’t regulate online campaigning, that radical new laws were desperately needed. It’s a huge step forward in terms of safeguarding future
elections. But we don’t have these new laws yet. We have the old ones. A feeble legislative framework with almost no powers to compel evidence and the capacity to impose only tiny fines.

Because what the Electoral Commission didn’t say is that the powers that it now admits are inadequate are the same ones it is using to investigate alleged Vote Leave spending and other offences by other campaigns. Multiple offences. Because the
investigation into Vote Leave is just one of a number of ongoing inquiries into
potential crimes. Many of which were facilitated by new technology. By the tech
platforms. By – above all – Facebook. Because – and this is the key point
– this is an
election that took place in darkness.

Campaigning has moved online, into the black boxes of the tech platforms, where
it’s unseen, unaccounted for. And we have no idea which adverts were shown to
which people. How people were targeted, and what data it was based on. We don’t know how
much money was spent on which ads by whom or even in which country they were based. We don’t know what lies were told to whom, by whom (though we know there were lies told, an Observer investigation proved that).

Official investigations under way so far include: overspending by Vote Leave, overspending by Leave.EU, coordination between Vote Leave and BeLeave, the source of at least £12m in donations in gifts and loans by Arron Banks’s company to Leave.EU, the
use of data by all campaigns including the role of Cambridge Analytica, its Canadian affiliate, AIQ and Banks’s Eldon insurance company. In addition, there are also pressing and urgent questions about – but no official investigation into – the
source of a donation made to the DUP.

And there is the extraordinary and shocking evidence that the Observer has recently unearthed about Banks’s connections to Russia. We know that Banks has lied about his relationship to the Russian government, we know – he has admitted it – that he
was offered financial and other inducements by individuals connected to the Russian government, and we have his word that he didn’t take them. But Banks’s word is a debased currency. Today, we report that we have seen documents which suggest he had
at least 11 meetings with Russian government officials, seven more than he has previously admitted.

There’s no confirmed investigation into this. Other inquiries have been woefully underpowered and hopelessly delayed. When a 15-month investigation by the Electoral Commission finally found Leave.EU guilty of multiple breaches of electoral law in May,
Liam Byrne, Labour’s shadow digital minister, told the Observer that the delay in referring the matter to the police was “catastrophic”.

In America, where journalists have been at the frontline of what has felt like a state of emergency since November 2016, there has been no doubt about what the Observer’s revelations concerning the main Brexit funder’s relationship
to Russia means.

No investigation into this has even opened yet. And the , looking into Banks’s finances and whether his holding company “was the true source of donations made to referendum campaigners”, is probably a lost cause.

This is the biggest donation ever made in British politics – at least £12m in gifts and loans – and it’s being investigated by an underpowered body staffed by civil servants with few if any powers. It’s seeking to disentangle
a vast web of
complex finance structures many of which lead to offshore jurisdictions. It doesn’t have the specialist investigators or powers required to even attempt this. It hasn’t referred the case to a statutory body that could. Justice is not being served.

And if evidence of wrongdoing is uncovered, it will all be too late. By the time any of these investigations is referred to the police, who then have to conduct their own inquiries before deciding whether to bring charges, Britain will have exited the EU.

The only ray of hope is Elizabeth Denham, the UK’s Canadian information commissioner. She’s about to announce the findings of – triggered by a – into the use of data in digital campaigning that has become the biggest ever data protection
investigation, anywhere, employing more than 60 people and liaising with law enforcement bodies around the world including, it is believed, the FBI.

Data crimes are real crimes. And electoral crimes are real crimes too. It’s vital we remember that our laws are the thin tissue between the world we know and the world we don’t want to be. Because without electoral laws, without respecting them,
policing them, safeguarding them, we slip towards becoming another Russia, or at least Turkey.

What has become clear in the nearly two years that I’ve been reporting on this story is that the law will not save us. The laws didn’t work. The regulators couldn’t regulate. The system – built on self-regulation and self-policing – failed. It
relied upon goodwill and trust and in the face of a one-off, bitterly divisive issue, that goodwill and trust dissolved. We went into the referendum with the equivalent of Dad’s Army and a couple of vintage rifles to protect us from a hostile new world
of data manipulation, black-box platforms and advanced cyber-warfare techniques
harnessed by hostile foreign powers.

But this isn’t just a legal or a regulatory failure. It’s a political failure. It’s on the government. It’s on an opposition that is failing to hold the government to account.

The overspending scheme that Shahmir Sanni so compellingly came forward to tell
the Observer about – that Vote Leave’s CEO said they’d been found guilty of – involved two of Theresa May’s ministers and two of her closest advisers. , involves
the party that holds the balance of power in her government: the DUP.

Theresa May came to power off the back of this election. She holds power because of it. Her entire political agenda is based on pushing through the result of it. She will receive weekly briefings from the security agencies about threats to our democracy.
But she cannot be trusted to safeguard it. We need questions asked of ministers. Of the prime minister. We need a proper police-led investigation by the National Crime Agency or a similar authority with proper powers capable of investigating complex
fraud, offshore finance, Russian subversion techniques. And we need to be not OK with any of this.

***

Revealed: Leave.EU campaign met Russian officials as many as 11 times
Founder Arron Banks was offered lucrative deals in talks with the ambassador

Carole Cadwalladr and Peter Jukes
8 July 2018
The Guardian

http://tinyurl.com/y75fv5pr

Arron Banks’ Leave.EU campaign team met with Russian embassy officials as many as 11 times in the run-up to the EU referendum and in the two months beyond, documents seen by the Observer suggest – seven more times than Banks has admitted. The same
documents suggest the Russian embassy extended a further four invitations to Brexit’s biggest funder, but it is not known if they were accepted.

It is the third time the number of such meetings has been revised upwards. For two years, Banks insisted his only contact with the Russian government consisted of one “boozy lunch” with the Russian ambassador.

After the Observer revealed a month ago that he had had multiple meetings at which he had been offered lucrative business deals, Banks told a parliamentary inquiry into fake news he had had “two or three” meetings.

Last week, when pressed by the New York Times, he admitted a fourth meeting. But the Observer has seen evidence that suggests there were at least seven more. When questioned about this, Banks offered no response.

The Observer has seen details, and the Sunday Times published an email given to
it by Banks, suggesting possible deals were presented at the fourth of these meetings, on 17 November 2015, the same day that the Leave.EU group – which he helped fund –
officially launched its campaign.

***

Carole Cadwalladr's original article from May 2017:

'The great British Brexit robbery: how our democracy was hijacked'

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy

(If you didn't read this before, you should read it too.)

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

Oooh boy, let's build some more pipelines and go get more oil
and money. This is like... as deep as these fuckers go.

***

Scientific American

It's Time to Stop Investing in New Oil and Gas Pipelines

We can't trust the administration to do the right thing, so we need to convince
investors to take their money elsewhere

By Tracey Osborne, Remington Franklin on July 12, 2018

http://tinyurl.com/y8zpl4cr

Last week the now-former head of the Environmental Protection Agency, Scott Pruitt, resigned amid a series of ethical breaches, including his cozy relationship with fossil fuel lobbyists. Government ethics experts said Pruitt’s connection to lobbyists
working for the Canadian energy company Enbridge, at the time when the EPA approved expansion of an Enbridge pipeline, raised red flags. So-called environmental regulators like Scott Pruitt certainly can’t be trusted to uphold environmental laws.

The good news is that for every pipeline that is approved, we’re seeing vehement resistance. Last month Minnesota regulators approved Line 3, another controversial Enbridge pipeline that would cross lakes on Ojibwe treaty lands, affecting indigenous
wild rice harvest, hunting and fishing. Following the news, Honor the Earth Executive Director and activist Winona LaDuke said “They have gotten their Standing Rock. We will do everything that is needed to stop this pipeline.”

Resistance to pipelines like Line 3 is growing because pipeline spills are so common—much more common than you would think. Indigenous and environmental groups will continue to resist new pipelines because spills jeopardize land and
livelihoods,
especially when the pipeline crosses ecologically and culturally important places. These are some of the issues we are tracking as part of the Climate Alliance Mapping Project, an initiative we started to address issues of climate
justice through
research, maps and digital stories.

The U.S. version of our map shows data pertinent to domestic climate justice demands, including: oil and gas pipelines and spills, power plants, waterways, native lands (as designated by the Bureau of Indian Affairs) and public lands. We are working with
climate justice organizations and indigenous peoples across the Americas to add
digital stories with photos and narrations that talk about the social and environmental impacts of oil and gas infrastructure.

But public data already tells a story about pipeline spills. Since 1986 there have been over 8,000 "significant" oil and gas spills reported by the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) of the U.S. Department of
Transportation.
That's equivalent to a major spill every two day for the past 32 years. “Significant” spills have a very specific definition—they either caused a
fire, left someone injured, involved a large volume of oil or gas release or resulted in over $50,000
in damages. PHMSA classifies over 1,500 of these incidents as "serious," meaning the spill resulted in a fatality or injury requiring in-patient hospitalization. Our interactive U.S. Climate Justice Map visualizes these spills alongside other data and
stories.

New pipelines are also being resisted because they make no sense in the context
of climate change. Take the now iconic Keystone XL, a pipeline that would carry
tar sands, some of the most carbon-intensive oil. According to a 2015 study funded by the
Department of Energy, Canadian tar sands emits 18 percent more greenhouse gases
when processed into gasoline compared to conventional crude. This exacerbates climate change at a time when a rapid transition from fossil fuel to renewable energy is
urgently needed.

Given the narrowing carbon budget, which is the amount of carbon that can be emitted before breaching the 2°C degree limit to avoid dangerous climate change, two thirds of proven fossil fuel reserves must not be consumed. Under the more stringent 1.5 C
degree target, 83 percent of fossil fuels must remain unburned and underground,
according to a 2016 article. These numbers mean that any new fossil fuel infrastructure is simply incompatible with urgent climate goals.

Despite the ubiquity of spills and the scientific evidence that new fossil fuel
infrastructure is inconsistent with climate action, regulators continue to approve new pipelines. In November of last year TransCanada’s existing Keystone pipeline spilled
9,700 barrels of crude oil in rural South Dakota making it the 7th largest oil spill in the US since 2010.

Just four days later, Nebraska regulators granted the extension of the Keystone
pipeline as Keystone XL. If completed, Keystone XL will transport 830,000 barrels of heavy crude daily from the Alberta tar sands to Nebraska, where it connects to refineries
as far south as the Gulf Coast in Texas. Although rejected by former President Obama due to the pipeline’s negligible impact on the nation’s economy, employment, gas prices and energy security, it was approved during Trump’s first days in office
through an executive order.

To be sure, companies like Enbridge and TransCanada claim new pipelines will be
safer than existing ones, and that alternative forms of transport like rail present their own risks. However, this argument assumes that new fossil fuel production is
inevitable. Given the social, environmental and economic risks, we must begin the phase-out of fossil fuel infrastructure and instead invest in renewable energy. The popularity of electric vehicles such as those made by Tesla demonstrates the enormous
potential for a renewable energy transition in the transportation sector that can be eventually powered by solar and wind as we green the electrical grid.

Proponents of new pipelines also argue that these infrastructure projects create important jobs. Upon signing the executive order to approve Keystone XL,
President Trump remarked “A lot of jobs, 28,000 jobs. Great construction jobs.” According to a
report by Cornell University, however, expected construction jobs are closer to
2,500–4,650 and just 35 percent are likely to be permanent, based on data from the U.S. State Department. Pipeline opponents note that renewable energy would be a better
place to invest the $7 billion slated for Keystone XL. According to a World Bank report, wind and solar produce about 13.5 jobs per $1 million dollars spent in the U.S., compared to the 5.2 jobs created in oil and gas.

Trump recently approved number two EPA official Andrew Wheeler as Pruitt’s interim replacement. Wheeler is a former coal lobbyist, signaling the continuation of a troubling pattern of environmental regulators with uncomfortably close ties to the fossil
fuel companies they are supposed to regulate.

Because we can’t expect environmental regulators under the Trump Administration to make decisions on the behalf of people and the planet, fossil
fuel divestment provides one of the more powerful actions we can take. Rainforest Action Network and
several other environmental and indigenous organizations have assessed the private banks most responsible for backing fossil fuel development such as pipelines and are calling on us to divest from these banks and invest in sustainable alternatives.

We would be joining universities, foundations, pension funds, faith-based groups, family businesses, non-profit organizations, cities and individuals around the world—representing commitments of $6 trillion in assets—that have joined the Divest-
Invest movement. Now more than ever, we need broad public participation in the Divest-Invest movement in order to shift investments away from new fossil fuel infrastructure like pipelines toward a clean and renewable energy future.

***

Just Look at the map of 'serious' and 'significant' oil spills: https://climatealliancemap.org/usa-map/

For 30 years, an average of *50 serious oil spills* a year.
U.S. alone. 1500 since the mid-80s. Over 8000 significant
spills since 1986 - a spill every 2 days for the last 32 years.
And Trump keeps lying his ass off about the job creation.

So they've already slopped the black goop all over the country.
But they won't stop sloppin' until the world boils over unless
we make 'em stop. Divest and Invest. And convert from fossil
fuels to alternatives. The people need to make it happen now
whether the stupid government helps out or not.

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

I think I may have figured out what is wrong with Trump's brain! :)
Further tests are necessary, but it's a pretty good possibility.

***

Study Shows Air Pollution Makes Genetic Changes in the Brain

Coarse particles and heavy metals can activate disease-causing genes

BY JASON DALEY | JUN 6 2018

There’s little question that air pollution is toxic for the human body. Studies have shown that particulate matter in the air can lead to lung disease,
heart disease, strokes, and lung cancer. But researchers thought the brain might be protected due to
the blood brain barrier—a natural system that filters out foreign substances and certain neurotransmitters before they circulate in the brain. A new study from researchers at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles shows that many heavy metals found
in the air may make it into brain tissue, and those pollutants are activating genes that may lead to cancers or neurodegenerative disorders.

To understand how air pollution impacts the brain, doctor Julia Ljubimova, director of the Nanomedicine Research Center at Cedars-Sinai, produced air with
the same chemical makeup as that found in Riverside, California, in the Los Angeles Basin. She and
her team then subjected rats to the air, with different groups of rats breathing the polluted air for two weeks, one to three months, and 12 months. After examining the rodent brains, the researchers found higher than normal concentrations of heavy
metals including cadmium, cobalt, lead, nickel, vanadium, and zinc accumulated in the rats exposed to the pollution for a month or more. Even more disturbing,
coarse particles of the pollutants had switched on certain genes. The research appears in the
journal Scientific Reports.

“Initially I was even skeptical we could find anything. For example, a smoker
has to smoke 20 years to develop lung cancer,” Ljubimova says, “so I was not sure that in three, six, or 12 months of exposure we would detect changes in these animals’
brains at the genomic level. I was very, very surprised when we found so many changes.”

So how are these heavy metals making it into the brain despite the blood brain barrier? The coarse particulate material gets in through the lungs, which absorb the pollution particles into the bloodstream and may somehow beat the blood brain barrier,
which can weaken due to high blood pressure, inflammation, and other stresses. Particulates inhaled through the nose have a more direct route into the brain through the olfactory system and may accumulate through that pathway. Once in the brain, the
metals cause inflammation, switching on certain genes including those that cause both benign and malignant tumors, and others that are suspected of causing neurodegenerative disorders like Parkinson’s, ALS, Alzheimer’s, and
other types of dementia—
something that other recent studies have also found.

There are still many questions the study can’t answer. For instance, do these
heavy metals accumulate throughout a lifetime, or can the body flush them out? And most importantly, can a study on rats translate to humans? While Ljubimova says it’s
likely that the same systems are at work in humans and rodents, her team is also studying Cedars-Sinai’s archive of human brain tissue to see if there’s evidence of these coarse particles accumulating in the brains of people who lived in areas with
air pollution.

Ljubimova says that while the pollutants in her study were based on Los Angeles, she guesses many of the same effects are happening in cities across the world with similar loads of coarse pollutants. The hope, she says, is that the study and future
follow-ups will galvanize policymakers to take a closer look at the health impacts of industry, auto emissions, agriculture, and military activities in L.A. and other areas with pollution problems. She points out that more and more
people are being
exposed to questionable air as urbanization expands, and scientists don’t know all the possible organs and ill effects exposure can cause.

“We thought that nature protected the brain through the blood brain barrier,” she says. “But now we see that no, air pollution affects even isolated and protected organs such as the brain. This is important information for thinking about new
developments and ways to protect the public.”

***

Trump has spent so much of his own time in congested cities around the
big high-rise buildings and bad traffic of downtowns that the pollution
has almost undoubtedly damaged his brain to the point of making him
into a pathological liar who is criminally insane. I really think this
may explain it. :)

In any case, whether or not I'm merely being facetious, Trump's
administration IS making more pollution just about as fast as any
group of politicians possibly could, so all people worldwide should
thank him for that, as I myself did on Twitter just days ago.

"White House @WhiteHouse July 24
Opioids killed more people last year than either car accidents or
gun violence. We cannot let stigma or silence prevent us from
confronting this crisis. President Trump is asking every American
to consider sharing their story."

David Worrell Jul 25
Replying to @WhiteHouse @POTUS
"Pollution kills far more people than opioids do. Your administration
is making far MORE air and water pollution for all the world to die in.
That's my story."

And what I said isn't just a story, either; it's the truth.

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From: slider@anashram.com

### - oh well folks the t-break's obviously over lol :)

plus now we see the 'real' reason for all his other prior posts, as he obviously had this trumpy-one already prepared but tried to disguise it by waffling-on about other things first so he couldn't be outright accused of mania hahaha...

but which is still better than nada i suppose heh!

you made an attempt to be more... varied!

a small improvement if nothing else...

could 'shame' then be the cure for OCD? :)

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:43:49 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:

could 'shame' then be the cure for OCD? :)

No, or I'd have cured you of it long ago. :)

Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort was today found
guilty on 8 Fraud charges.

Also, his former attorney Michael Cohen has pleaded guilty
to multiple charges, and has confessed that he arranged payments
to two women at the direction of Trump.

I mean, damn near half of Trump's people are objectively scumbags.
What do people need to see, anyway? He's a GIANT, scummy rat.
King rat needs to go down soon. I don't want gangsters in power.

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/paul-manafort-split-verdict-says-nothing-on-trump-russia-and-the-2016-election

8 convictions, 10 nada burgers.

doesn't help Mueller at all.
But oh yeah Manafort is going to
the pokie. watch for a pardon
coming very soon after all this
horseshit is finished.
see you just can't win, it's a hopeless
trip.

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From: slider@anashram.org

I don't want gangsters in power.

### - probably nowhere left on the planet you can get away from that
anymore...

gangsters are 'running' the show!

it's THEIR show! :)

as for the Don of 'Dons' (heh) t'aint nada you can do about it pal, might
as well try to intimidate your local Cos mob hah! plus was 'put' in there
by the 1+19% to make things 'right' again (no pun intended...) what
joe-public thinks being irrelevant to their aims/goals of getting 'their'
world (of money!) back in order again! they don't give 2-fucks about
anything else! - meanwhile, they're back to demonising the left so the
current don will have a better chance of getting a second term...

same as it ever was really, only worse :)

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 3:45:52 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:

I don't want gangsters in power.

### - probably nowhere left on the planet you can get away from that anymore...

gangsters are 'running' the show!

it's THEIR show! :)

as for the Don of 'Dons' (heh) t'aint nada you can do about it pal, might
as well try to intimidate your local Cos mob hah! plus was 'put' in there
by the 1+19% to make things 'right' again (no pun intended...) what joe-public thinks being irrelevant to their aims/goals of getting 'their' world (of money!) back in order again! they don't give 2-fucks about
anything else! - meanwhile, they're back to demonising the left so the current don will have a better chance of getting a second term...

same as it ever was really, only worse :)

It's hard to believe you really believe all that. To me, it seems
like a lot of rationalizations designed to prove to yourself that
everything is futile. The 8 Obama years were not very much like
what's happening now. The same forces existed, but they weren't
nearly as much in control. That proves things can swing the other way,
and since they can, then they could be swung even further that way.
And probably will be, eventually.

Yes, there has lately been a large worldwide swing back to the right.
But the advantage of that is that it should become apparent how
destructive it is. Then there will be another reactionary swing back
to the left. And yeah, government needs to be a bit left of center,
because it is a collective endeavor. We actually agree on that. :)

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

All the President’s Crooks
One of them, Mr. Trump’s own lawyer, has now implicated him in a crime.

NY Times Editorial
Aug. 21, 2018

From the start of the Russia investigation, President Trump has been working to
discredit the work and the integrity of the special counsel, Robert Mueller; praising men who are blatant grifters, cons and crooks; insisting that he’s personally done
nothing wrong; and reminding us that he hires only the best people.

On Tuesday afternoon, the American public was treated to an astonishing split-screen moment involving two of those people, as Mr. Trump’s former campaign chief was convicted by a federal jury in Virginia of multiple crimes carrying years in prison at
the same time that his longtime personal lawyer pleaded guilty in federal court
in New York to his own lengthy trail of criminality, and confessed that he had committed at least some of the crimes “at the direction of” Mr. Trump himself.

Let that sink in: Mr. Trump’s own lawyer has now accused him, under oath, of committing a felony.

Only a complete fantasist — that is, only President Trump and his cult — could continue to claim that this investigation of foreign subversion of an American election, which has already yielded dozens of other indictments and several guilty pleas, is
a “hoax” or “scam” or “rigged witch hunt.”

The conviction of Paul Manafort, who ran the Trump campaign for three months in
2016, was a win for prosecutors even though jurors were unable to reach a verdict on 10 of the 18 counts against him. On the other eight, which included bank fraud, tax fraud
and a failure to report a foreign bank account, the jury agreed unanimously that Mr. Manafort was guilty. He is scheduled to go on trial in a separate case
next month in Washington, D.C., on charges including money laundering, witness tampering, lying to
authorities and failing to register as a foreign agent. Mr. Manafort faces many
decades behind bars, although he will probably serve less than that under federal sentencing guidelines.

A few hundred miles to the north, in New York City, Michael “I’m going to mess your life up” Cohen stood before a federal judge and pleaded guilty to multiple counts of bank and tax fraud as well as federal campaign-finance violations involving
hush-money payments he made to women who said they’d had sex with Mr. Trump. Mr. Cohen, who spent years as Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer and “fix-it guy” (his own words), was under investigation by federal prosecutors in Manhattan, to whom Mr.
Mueller referred his case. In April, F.B.I. agents raided Mr. Cohen’s office,
home and hotel room looking for evidence of criminality on a number of fronts. Apparently they found it.

Mr. Cohen didn’t agree at Tuesday’s hearing to cooperate with prosecutors, but if he eventually chooses to, that could spell even bigger trouble for Mr. Trump. Mr. Cohen has been involved in many of Mr. Trump’s dealings with Russia, including his
aborted effort to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, and could shed light on connections between the Trump presidential campaign and Russian officials involved in the 2016 election interference.

But back to Tuesday’s news. Mr. Manafort was not an original target of the inquiry by Mr. Mueller, who was appointed in May of last year to look into possible ties between the Trump campaign and efforts by Russian government officials to interfere in
the election. But Mr. Mueller’s mandate authorized him to investigate any other crimes that arose in the course of his work. It didn’t take long. As soon as he and his lawyers started sniffing around, the stench of Mr. Manafort’s illegality was
overpowering.

As a longtime lobbyist and political consultant who worked for multiple Republican candidates and presidents, Mr. Manafort had a habit of lying to banks to get multimillion-dollar loans and hiding his cash in offshore accounts
when tax time rolled round.
In at least one case, he falsely characterized $1.5 million as a loan to avoid paying taxes on it, then later told banks that the loan had been “forgiven”
so he could get another loan.

He also enriched himself by working for some of the world’s most notorious thugs and autocrats, including Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines, Jonas Savimbi in Angola and Mobutu Sese Seko of the Democratic Republic of Congo. He helped elect the pro-
Kremlin Viktor Yanukovych as president of Ukraine, a job that earned him millions until Mr. Yanukovych was ousted from power in 2014.

Despite this mercenary history — or perhaps, more disturbingly, because of it
— Donald Trump, while running on promises to clean up Washington, hired Mr. Manafort to run his presidential campaign, a job he may well have kept but for news reports that
he was receiving and hiding millions of dollars from his work on behalf of Mr. Yanukovych.

What does it tell you about Mr. Trump that he would choose to lead his campaign
someone like Mr. Manafort, whom even on Tuesday he called a “good man”? It tells you that Mr. Trump is consistent, and consistently contemptuous of honesty and ethics,
because he has surrounded himself with people of weak, if not criminal, character throughout his career.

***

And that's not all. Mueller's investigation has now uncovered
about half-a-dozen criminals among Trump's appointees (these are
not just charges, they are guilty pleas and convictions.
His team has indicted a dozen Russians to boot. That's about
he furthest thing imaginable from a 'witch hunt', so that lie,
that Trump is still repeating to this day, may go down in history
a King Rat's personal "tag line". Witch hunt! Witch hunt! LOL. :)
What a creepy motherfucker.

I thought we had seen the bottom of the barrel with Dubya.
But not even close. And IS Trump really the bottom? If he does
get impeached, could it be that Pence might be even worse?
Pence is a religious nut.

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From: slider@anashram.com

On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 17:23:15 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 3:45:52 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:

I don't want gangsters in power.

### - probably nowhere left on the planet you can get away from that
anymore...

gangsters are 'running' the show!

it's THEIR show! :)

as for the Don of 'Dons' (heh) t'aint nada you can do about it pal,
might
as well try to intimidate your local Cos mob hah! plus was 'put' in
there
by the 1+19% to make things 'right' again (no pun intended...) what
joe-public thinks being irrelevant to their aims/goals of getting
'their'
world (of money!) back in order again! they don't give 2-fucks about
anything else! - meanwhile, they're back to demonising the left so the
current don will have a better chance of getting a second term...

same as it ever was really, only worse :)

It's hard to believe you really believe all that. To me, it seems
like a lot of rationalizations designed to prove to yourself that
everything is futile.

### - am merely trying to prove to you that everything you've done &
imagine you 'could' have done so far, is/was utterly futile, and is/was ultimately just a lot of hissing & spitting on your part to absolutely no real-world effect whatsoever, other than that of bombarding us all here
with complaints... at best you've merely added to (or tried to increase)
the emotional hysteria surrounding the whole thing but that's all, it's
just all in your head that you're even involved at all... and 'coz there
isn't a goddamn thing you can 'actually' do to change anything as you're
merely an emotional-engaged bystander that's actually playing-into the
whole frenzy thing 'they've' deliberately created!

The 8 Obama years were not very much like
what's happening now. The same forces existed, but they weren't
nearly as much in control. That proves things can swing the other way,
and since they can, then they could be swung even further that way.
And probably will be, eventually.

### - obama had everything when he first took office (both houses) and
then they slowly tied his hands till there was almost nothing he could do
of any moment, that's the way it works! you've had left-wing governments
before and the world is 'still' a goddamn mess! the left don't control anything! at best they can have 'maybe' as much as a 5% influence, and
that's when their in power!

Yes, there has lately been a large worldwide swing back to the right.
But the advantage of that is that it should become apparent how
destructive it is. Then there will be another reactionary swing back
to the left. And yeah, government needs to be a bit left of center,
because it is a collective endeavor. We actually agree on that. :)

### - a 'temporary' swing back to the left only heh, 'coz the right-wing
'own' everything including the media! so it's never long before they're
back in and have everyone blaming all the then problems on the left!

if people from the 80% were more 'politically' educated they would never
in a million years vote other than left every time, and i mean every time without fail! and this because they'd realise the importance of voting the right down at every opportunity who are, after all, only a minority group!
the right-wing should never ever win! 'they' do all, however, realise the
total importance of them all voting every time ('because' they're a
minority group!) and then collectively work at tipping & eroding the
balance by hook & by crook (with the emphasis on crook!) down from an
80/20 split to more 50/50 where they then at least 'get' a chance to win!
plus just look at the trouble they go to to achieve exactly that??

if you (or anyone) really wants to DO something about the situation
'for-real', then you'd have to educate the 80% majority accordingly (in
france, for example, their populace since the french revolution, has
always been traditionally more politically educated than most, thus the
far right-wing hardly ever get in there! people taking to the streets if
it even 'looks' that way lol, even so they still don't exactly have
perfect lives nor a perfect society, and are actually rather racist and
thus right-wing lol!)

so ya see, there's nada you can 'really' do jeremy! you can make a lot of
noise and a fuss but it doesn't 'actually' DO anything, other than just
giving your peers a headache heh...

by rights (again no pun intended) the right should NEVER ever get into government! EVER!

so they BUY their way in! every time! they're the gangsters with 'all' the power remember?

as for the 'current' don; he's just applying the age-old, time-tested
'divide & rule' method globally! and because while everyone's at each
other's throats he's getting a window to do what he wants! (the brits conquered/expanded the known world by applying just that principle alone!)

face it, there's absolutely 'nothing' you (or anyone) can do short of
shooting the fucker!

and then they'd just go-get another one anyway!?

thus futile!

the 'best' that can thus genuinely be done, being to 'realise' all that
(and the futility of getting involved) and then find some way to live
'beside' it all without letting it drive you nuts hehe...

whatever ways ya looks at it all: we 'still' live in an almost totally
barbaric world of masters & brutalised slaves! the 'whole thing' no better
than one huge concentration camp! (albert camus said that too: slave camps under the banner of freedom? spot-on!)

plus i don't mean to sound condescending, but don'tcha think i've maybe
stood at the exact same place you're standing now? (years ago i mean...)
and hated the fuckers! (laffing...) cursed them boodclaat! (jamaican
slang...) even despaired of the world and the horrible state of it! even despised humanity for being such... cunts! :)

heh, it was just after an election here that put the right-wing straight
back into power after 'years' of their crap making life harder for people!
i was sooo sure they were gone THIS time?? but nooo... the fucking
'idiots' had only gone and voted them all back in??? lol i just couldn't
accept it!!! i'd stayed up all night watching the election results, and by
6am in the morning it became clear we were all gonna get 'yet another'
5-years of it, damn you! damn you all to hell! (laffing...) and i guess i
was pretty upset! (defo an understatement heh...)

i gots in my car and stormed-off, fuming basically hah! it was just
getting light and i headed up to an old piece of common land/open park and
the cafe they have at the top there, cussin' and spittin' the whole way (lol...) only it was a bit early and the little cafe hadn't opened yet so
i sat on a nearby bench as far away as possible from anyone else while
keeping in eye-shot of the cafe; i definitely wasn't very pleased with
humanity today! :)))

fuming i was, sitting there on my bench, when i finally heard the sound of shutters going up at around 7am, i'll go get me a tea and a sandwich, and
god help them if they even so much as 'look' at me sideways! heads will
roll! (so not exactly a happy camper that day huh lol...)

got up and wandered in there prolly looking like hell anyway (hah) maybe
even just hoping to start something! today i was NOT humanity's friend!
some young girl serving i was ready to bite her frickin' head-off mate,
and i don't care who she was! fucking humanity! bunch of cunts! ALL of 'em!

and then in a soft spanish accent i gets: good morning.. sir (nobody calls
me sir!?) what would you like this good morning? i was ready to savage
someone (whatdoifuckin'-want??? under my breath...) but something in her
soft tone halted me some, wrong-footed me, forced a terse/clipped reply
outta me, she was only very young, maybe only 17 or 18, very attractive
and softly spoken, only a kid! -tea and one of those (pointing at a cheese sandwich) and i definitely wasn't going to say 'please'! fact of the
matter was, she didn't give me a chance, there wasn't even a single gap in
her behaviour that could possibly justify me being mean to her? mad as i
was i just couldn't let myself sully her or her mood in any way and she
wasn't doing anything wrong! so i bit my lip! still nodded instead of
saying thank you or anything (slider in a bad mood hehe) and headed back
to my bench... only it was a different slider that arrived back there...
and now there i am, sipping tea and munching on a fresh sandwich somewhat mollified by just her acceptable behaviour & youth alone... i realised
then that i liked women, women are alright in their own way, they might be totally ignorant just like the rest of 'em but they're still nice? 'she'
was nice! then considered that just over half the population of the world
are women! and with that i'd just let-off more than half of humanity! -the
last of my anger & despair drained away; i'd just forgiven/let-off more
than half of the cunts! i didn't really hate humanity after all! at least
not all of them, not the majority of them... i smiled prolly for the first
time in hours haha, and ate my sandwich and drank my tea, suddenly calm
now, everything was alright again! YES they really ARE a bunch of ignorant cunts! damned ignorant! but their women ain't so bad... and i've indeed
met quite a few decent chaps in my time too... suddenly it was quite nice sitting there on that bench, on that hill in the early morning, surrounded
by trees looking down over southern london at the early morning
rush-hour... finished my sandwich and my tea feeling like a weight had
just been lifted off of me... and went back home... bunch of cunts yes!
heh... but i still liked 'em even if they ARE all fucked up 'and' fucking stupid to boot... they're all just a bit fucked up is all :)

and i haven't 'involved' myself in politics ever since!

the end. :)

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 12:43:10 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:

On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 17:23:15 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
wrote:

On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 3:45:52 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:

I don't want gangsters in power.

### - probably nowhere left on the planet you can get away from that
anymore...

gangsters are 'running' the show!

it's THEIR show! :)

as for the Don of 'Dons' (heh) t'aint nada you can do about it pal,
might
as well try to intimidate your local Cos mob hah! plus was 'put' in
there
by the 1+19% to make things 'right' again (no pun intended...) what
joe-public thinks being irrelevant to their aims/goals of getting
'their'
world (of money!) back in order again! they don't give 2-fucks about
anything else! - meanwhile, they're back to demonising the left so the
current don will have a better chance of getting a second term...

same as it ever was really, only worse :)

It's hard to believe you really believe all that. To me, it seems
like a lot of rationalizations designed to prove to yourself that everything is futile.

### - am merely trying to prove to you that everything you've done &
imagine you 'could' have done so far, is/was utterly futile, and is/was ultimately just a lot of hissing & spitting on your part to absolutely no real-world effect whatsoever, other than that of bombarding us all here
with complaints... at best you've merely added to (or tried to increase)
the emotional hysteria surrounding the whole thing but that's all, it's
just all in your head that you're even involved at all... and 'coz there isn't a goddamn thing you can 'actually' do to change anything as you're merely an emotional-engaged bystander that's actually playing-into the
whole frenzy thing 'they've' deliberately created!

Oh. Well, if that's it, then that's all completely wrong. :)
I do all kinds of things to help that you never see here at all.

The 8 Obama years were not very much like
what's happening now. The same forces existed, but they weren't
nearly as much in control. That proves things can swing the other way,
and since they can, then they could be swung even further that way.
And probably will be, eventually.

### - obama had everything when he first took office (both houses) and
then they slowly tied his hands till there was almost nothing he could do
of any moment, that's the way it works! you've had left-wing governments before and the world is 'still' a goddamn mess! the left don't control anything! at best they can have 'maybe' as much as a 5% influence, and
that's when their in power!

Obama accomplished a lot. His 8 years were relatively stable ones.
Nothing even close to the circus-like nightmare we have now.

Yes, there has lately been a large worldwide swing back to the right.
But the advantage of that is that it should become apparent how
destructive it is. Then there will be another reactionary swing back
to the left. And yeah, government needs to be a bit left of center,
because it is a collective endeavor. We actually agree on that. :)

### - a 'temporary' swing back to the left only heh, 'coz the right-wing 'own' everything including the media! so it's never long before they're
back in and have everyone blaming all the then problems on the left!

But the right wing does not own everything, or the media.
There are many powerful progressive companies and media outlets.
You reason from incorrect premises.

if people from the 80% were more 'politically' educated they would never
in a million years vote other than left every time, and i mean every time without fail! and this because they'd realise the importance of voting the right down at every opportunity who are, after all, only a minority group! the right-wing should never ever win! 'they' do all, however, realise the total importance of them all voting every time ('because' they're a
minority group!) and then collectively work at tipping & eroding the
balance by hook & by crook (with the emphasis on crook!) down from an
80/20 split to more 50/50 where they then at least 'get' a chance to win! plus just look at the trouble they go to to achieve exactly that??

if you (or anyone) really wants to DO something about the situation 'for-real', then you'd have to educate the 80% majority accordingly (in france, for example, their populace since the french revolution, has
always been traditionally more politically educated than most, thus the
far right-wing hardly ever get in there! people taking to the streets if
it even 'looks' that way lol, even so they still don't exactly have
perfect lives nor a perfect society, and are actually rather racist and
thus right-wing lol!)

Part of the reason I post about it so much is to educate.
Of course. And I do that in other forums as well, not just here.

so ya see, there's nada you can 'really' do jeremy! you can make a lot of noise and a fuss but it doesn't 'actually' DO anything, other than just giving your peers a headache heh...

by rights (again no pun intended) the right should NEVER ever get into government! EVER!

so they BUY their way in! every time! they're the gangsters with 'all' the power remember?

You admitted people could stop it by becoming educated about
the issues. Gangsters can be put in jail. Two of Trump's gangsters
are going down right now.

as for the 'current' don; he's just applying the age-old, time-tested
'divide & rule' method globally! and because while everyone's at each
other's throats he's getting a window to do what he wants! (the brits conquered/expanded the known world by applying just that principle alone!)

face it, there's absolutely 'nothing' you (or anyone) can do short of shooting the fucker!

and then they'd just go-get another one anyway!?

Trump's position is *very* shaky now. And he hasn't even been in
power 2 years. I still think he'll go down. Even if he doesn't,
his political power will be severely undermined and blocked.
And if he does go down, the 'next one' - Pence - although he may
be 'worse' in some ways - won't be able to do much, because Trump
will have served as a bad example (and a warning) - and as another
terrible disgrace to the right wing.

Pence would then be an entirely different KIND of battle
if it comes to that. It's a battle that can also be won.

There are MANY severe problems, of course. I'm not blind to them.
For example, although the majority of the people are progressive,
the Supreme Court is far more right wing. That's because Republican
presidents have appointed 14 out of the last 18 justices.
But that merely means that the people - for the most part -
CANNOT rely on the courts right now. They MUST rely on the
ballot box until we can balance out the courts.

There are MANY other major problems. Huge problems. Since I remain
heavily involved I'm acutely aware of most of them. I wouldn't
discuss them with you for the most part since you just 'run away'.

thus futile!

You're only proving the point I originally made. :) It's a bunch
of rationalizations designed to prove to yourself that everything
is 'futile' and 'nothing can be done'. But it's all bad reasoning.

the 'best' that can thus genuinely be done, being to 'realise' all that
(and the futility of getting involved) and then find some way to live 'beside' it all without letting it drive you nuts hehe...

I already live beside it without letting it drive me nuts AND
get involved in fixing things. They're not mutually exclusive. :)
To believe that is just another error in reasoning.

whatever ways ya looks at it all: we 'still' live in an almost totally barbaric world of masters & brutalised slaves! the 'whole thing' no better than one huge concentration camp! (albert camus said that too: slave camps under the banner of freedom? spot-on!)

plus i don't mean to sound condescending, but don'tcha think i've maybe
stood at the exact same place you're standing now? (years ago i mean...)
and hated the fuckers! (laffing...) cursed them boodclaat! (jamaican slang...) even despaired of the world and the horrible state of it! even despised humanity for being such... cunts! :)

heh, it was just after an election here that put the right-wing straight
back into power after 'years' of their crap making life harder for people!
i was sooo sure they were gone THIS time?? but nooo... the fucking
'idiots' had only gone and voted them all back in??? lol i just couldn't accept it!!! i'd stayed up all night watching the election results, and by 6am in the morning it became clear we were all gonna get 'yet another' 5-years of it, damn you! damn you all to hell! (laffing...) and i guess i
was pretty upset! (defo an understatement heh...)

i gots in my car and stormed-off, fuming basically hah! it was just
getting light and i headed up to an old piece of common land/open park and the cafe they have at the top there, cussin' and spittin' the whole way (lol...) only it was a bit early and the little cafe hadn't opened yet so
i sat on a nearby bench as far away as possible from anyone else while keeping in eye-shot of the cafe; i definitely wasn't very pleased with humanity today! :)))

fuming i was, sitting there on my bench, when i finally heard the sound of shutters going up at around 7am, i'll go get me a tea and a sandwich, and
god help them if they even so much as 'look' at me sideways! heads will
roll! (so not exactly a happy camper that day huh lol...)

got up and wandered in there prolly looking like hell anyway (hah) maybe
even just hoping to start something! today i was NOT humanity's friend!
some young girl serving i was ready to bite her frickin' head-off mate,
and i don't care who she was! fucking humanity! bunch of cunts! ALL of 'em!

and then in a soft spanish accent i gets: good morning.. sir (nobody calls
me sir!?) what would you like this good morning? i was ready to savage someone (whatdoifuckin'-want??? under my breath...) but something in her
soft tone halted me some, wrong-footed me, forced a terse/clipped reply
outta me, she was only very young, maybe only 17 or 18, very attractive
and softly spoken, only a kid! -tea and one of those (pointing at a cheese sandwich) and i definitely wasn't going to say 'please'! fact of the
matter was, she didn't give me a chance, there wasn't even a single gap in her behaviour that could possibly justify me being mean to her? mad as i
was i just couldn't let myself sully her or her mood in any way and she wasn't doing anything wrong! so i bit my lip! still nodded instead of
saying thank you or anything (slider in a bad mood hehe) and headed back
to my bench... only it was a different slider that arrived back there...
and now there i am, sipping tea and munching on a fresh sandwich somewhat mollified by just her acceptable behaviour & youth alone... i realised
then that i liked women, women are alright in their own way, they might be totally ignorant just like the rest of 'em but they're still nice? 'she'
was nice! then considered that just over half the population of the world
are women! and with that i'd just let-off more than half of humanity! -the last of my anger & despair drained away; i'd just forgiven/let-off more
than half of the cunts! i didn't really hate humanity after all! at least
not all of them, not the majority of them... i smiled prolly for the first time in hours haha, and ate my sandwich and drank my tea, suddenly calm
now, everything was alright again! YES they really ARE a bunch of ignorant cunts! damned ignorant! but their women ain't so bad... and i've indeed
met quite a few decent chaps in my time too... suddenly it was quite nice sitting there on that bench, on that hill in the early morning, surrounded
by trees looking down over southern london at the early morning
rush-hour... finished my sandwich and my tea feeling like a weight had
just been lifted off of me... and went back home... bunch of cunts yes! heh... but i still liked 'em even if they ARE all fucked up 'and' fucking stupid to boot... they're all just a bit fucked up is all :)

and i haven't 'involved' myself in politics ever since!

the end. :)

Well, I've certainly felt that way many times over the decades,
going all the way back to Nixon, and I sympathize. But in practical
terms, you merely gave up after a bad loss - on the grounds of a
series of false premises.

More women could be elected to political office, you know. In general,
women might be more likely to treat our own mother (earth) and the
'children' of earth (people and animals) better. And yet some women
are raving right-wing loonies. You realize that I hope. And many men
are politically astute and conscious of what would benefit the world.
If that wasn't the case the world would already be destroyed.

I wonder if you have noticed: you are a man. :) So am I.

The only real way to totally lose everything is to give up,
despairing that any constructive actions would be 'futile'.
Iow, 'your way' is just exactly how we could lose everything.
I'd urge you to reconsider. Of course, I already have many times. :)

.

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From: slider@anashram.com

in practical
terms, you merely gave up after a bad loss - on the grounds of a
series of false premises.

### - a series of false hopes actually... more usually had nothing to do
with it previously, but had emotionally 'invested' in the outcome this
time because that's what i'd wanted for everyone else and myself... the
right wing were hated at the time so there was a good chance peeps would finally wake up to voting the fuckers out... lol bollocks they did! hah
not a chance! at the last minute the suckers had gone-for all the standard soundbites! a harsh lesson! and that was 30-years ago! got my fingers
burned see? left it alone after that... ultimately, nothing will change
until 'people' change and because of that then 'want' something different/better than the current bollocks-system... a political education alone just isn't enough as it stands, as all that does to otherwise
ignorant peeps is to whip them up into an emotional frenzy who'll likely
do something quite stupid when they don't then get their own way...

'rabble-rousing' isn't (and can never be...) the way to peace...

it's gotta come from within or not at all :)

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

It's hard to believe you really believe all that. To me, it seems
like a lot of rationalizations designed to prove to yourself that everything is futile.

### - am merely trying to prove to you that everything you've done &
imagine you 'could' have done so far, is/was utterly futile, and is/was ultimately just a lot of hissing & spitting on your part to absolutely no real-world effect whatsoever, other than that of bombarding us all here
with complaints... at best you've merely added to (or tried to increase)
the emotional hysteria surrounding the whole thing but that's all, it's
just all in your head that you're even involved at all... and 'coz there isn't a goddamn thing you can 'actually' do to change anything as you're merely an emotional-engaged bystander that's actually playing-into the
whole frenzy thing 'they've' deliberately created!

USA is 50 small countries called states, 48 of them are sane and two are criminally insane. The law is whatever mood they woke up in that day.
They want a revolution, but won't take up arms to seize power and force obedience to their "inner convictions." Somewhere between 45-65% wish they would so life could go on after a healthy civil war.
That's what Jer can't face his side is afraid to fight for what they want.

At 3:00 explains the mirage.
https://youtu.be/bb6JeX6dvEk
There were many hushed up crimes.
That's why America threw Hillary overboard.

After Hilary castrated Bernie there was no investigation either.
How Jeremy switches camps is something that I only understand from psych 101. Politics is a substitute for war, lately people think it's a cheap substitute. Trump is very clever in not feeding the call to violence, let the psychos do it.

The left is now the "Bitter Clingers with their Lattes and Electric Cars." Instead of the right "Bitter Clingers with their Bibles and their Guns."

I'm a never voted gray hat.
Watching a movie that replays every eight years.
Everyone here gets one shot at the brass ring of truth, I'm already gone.
The war between bacteria colonies devouring its host is a pure nihilistic zero.

I dig you Jer, but you fell for the mirage that is politics. Only war is final. Check out the #walkaway videos on you tube as people detox their mind from hate.

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 6:53:38 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:

lowrider wrote...

That's what Jer can't face his side is afraid to fight for what they want.

### - imho, what we're witnessing here are the last dying gasps of an ego that's already shedding its shells, and it's desperate clinging to the
last + fading vestiges of control before it disappears altogether...

and because without crowing over trump what 'would' he even have left to say!? thus it's the 'silence' he's actually scared of; silence & the
silent void that follows upon a ruined, shattered ego that finally
realises it can never be put back together again...

thus humpty-dumpty... dies.

the next line going-on about phoenix's then rising from out the ashes or summat hehehe :)

***

"He who dies not before he dies is ruined when he dies." --Jakob Böhme

"Born again? wtf is THAT for christsakes??" --a rationally exasperated nickodemus onetime to jc

hahaha ;)

Your so-called "humble opinions" there are just offensive and dumb.
Also the furthest thing possible from humble. :)

.

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From: slider@anashram.com

lowrider wrote...

That's what Jer can't face his side is afraid to fight for what they
want.

### - imho, what we're witnessing here are the last dying gasps of an ego that's already shedding its shells, and it's desperate clinging to the
last + fading vestiges of control before it disappears altogether...

and because without crowing over trump what 'would' he even have left to
say!? thus it's the 'silence' he's actually scared of; silence & the
silent void that follows upon a ruined, shattered ego that finally
realises it can never be put back together again...

thus humpty-dumpty... dies.

the next line going-on about phoenix's then rising from out the ashes or
summat hehehe :)

***

"He who dies not before he dies is ruined when he dies." --Jakob B�hme

"Born again? wtf is THAT for christsakes??" --a rationally exasperated nickodemus onetime to jc

hahaha ;)

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 5:39:05 PM UTC-7, LowRider44M wrote:

It's hard to believe you really believe all that. To me, it seems
like a lot of rationalizations designed to prove to yourself that everything is futile.

### - am merely trying to prove to you that everything you've done & imagine you 'could' have done so far, is/was utterly futile, and is/was ultimately just a lot of hissing & spitting on your part to absolutely no real-world effect whatsoever, other than that of bombarding us all here with complaints... at best you've merely added to (or tried to increase) the emotional hysteria surrounding the whole thing but that's all, it's just all in your head that you're even involved at all... and 'coz there isn't a goddamn thing you can 'actually' do to change anything as you're merely an emotional-engaged bystander that's actually playing-into the whole frenzy thing 'they've' deliberately created!

USA is 50 small countries called states, 48 of them are sane and two are

criminally insane.

I have trouble believing that even you are unable to see how crazy that statement is. :) You think two ENTIRE STATES are "criminally insane".
Really?? That in itself is batshit crazy. Which two, supposedly? :)

The law is whatever mood they woke up in that day.
They want a revolution, but won't take up arms to seize power and force obedience to their "inner convictions." Somewhere between 45-65% wish they would so life could go on after a healthy civil war.
That's what Jer can't face his side is afraid to fight for what they want.

To again and again take up arms to seize power is one of the
insane patterns the human race must END to survive as a species.
And Thucydides can go suck it. :)

At 3:00 explains the mirage.
https://youtu.be/bb6JeX6dvEk
There were many hushed up crimes.
That's why America threw Hillary overboard.

You're gonesville, baby. :) You're rootin' at the sports match.
When Cohen pleaded guilty and Manafort was convicted, Sean Hannity
went on a rant about Hillary. LOL. And here you are, still talking
about her too. Talk about major "denialism".. Hillary's not even
in the game. Not even a player. You're living in the past.

After Hilary castrated Bernie there was no investigation either.
How Jeremy switches camps is something that I only understand from psych 101.

It's totally easy to explain. I *didn't* switch sides. I was always
moderate liberal and always in the camp of candidates I determined
currently best able to advance policies/actions I believe the world
most needs. To me, it's NOT a 'sports match' between two sides,
although it might seem that way due to how I think the Republicans disgracefully crippled themselves by advancing loons and gangsters.
My assessments are not infallible, though, and change in real-time
based on circumstances, evidence, realistic options, and strategy.

Politics is a substitute for war, lately people think it's a cheap

substitute.

Trump is very clever in not feeding the call to violence, let the psychos do

it.

The left is now the "Bitter Clingers with their Lattes and Electric Cars." Instead of the right "Bitter Clingers with their Bibles and their Guns."

Yeah, like some dumb 'sports match' between big teams. :)
(You imagine)

I'm a never voted gray hat.
Watching a movie that replays every eight years.
Everyone here gets one shot at the brass ring of truth, I'm already gone.
The war between bacteria colonies devouring its host is a pure nihilistic

zero.

I dig you Jer, but you fell for the mirage that is politics. Only war is

final.

I find your stance pessimistic, anachronistic, and pointless.
If only war is final, then the human species is doomed.
And good riddance to it. :) But I am not at all sure of that.
My ethos is to do the most I can to preserve life until the end.

Check out the #walkaway videos on you tube as people detox their mind from

hate.

Given the views you claim to hold, I'm really not interested.
I don't hate anyone. Not even these clueless gangsters. I just want
them all OUT of power before they totally fuck over the earth.

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

I dig you Jer, but you fell for the mirage that is politics. Only war is

final.

I find your stance pessimistic, anachronistic, and pointless.
If only war is final, then the human species is doomed.

Welcome to reality.

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 9:53:38 PM UTC-4, slider wrote:

lowrider wrote...

That's what Jer can't face his side is afraid to fight for what they want.

### - imho, what we're witnessing here are the last dying gasps of an ego that's already shedding its shells, and it's desperate clinging to the
last + fading vestiges of control before it disappears altogether...

and because without crowing over trump what 'would' he even have left to say!? thus it's the 'silence' he's actually scared of; silence & the
silent void that follows upon a ruined, shattered ego that finally
realises it can never be put back together again...

thus humpty-dumpty... dies.

the next line going-on about phoenix's then rising from out the ashes or summat hehehe :)

***

"He who dies not before he dies is ruined when he dies." --Jakob Böhme

"Born again? wtf is THAT for christsakes??" --a rationally exasperated nickodemus onetime to jc

hahaha ;)

It's a nationwide phenomenon here.
My older sister like me has never voted.
Somehow CNN convinced her Trump is Adolph Anti Christ.
I'm talking a 65 year old dope smoking pagan who raised three adopted kids. People are watching the mental health of their loved ones deteriorate rapidly. My niece came 200 miles take my sister, her mother, for eye surgery.
My sister goes off on some homicidal rant because my niece had some sort of Trump sticker on her car. Long story short my niece told her to "fuck off"
and left her to find another ride. They haven't spoken since.

I'm grateful to Jer for a 1000 interesting conversations but he's in deeper than he was with CC. He called this planet Mother Earth in your convo.

Here is Jer's Mom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGW9i_9qBa4

I had mother issues.
I know you had your share Slides.
But damn Jer's got issues he still never shared.

My ego, vision of self, is self being kind to self. Others come and go.
If I have a warm dry bed and a full belly all is well, a a good smoke is joy. Its all so simple.

Here is me slagging what CNN did to my sister. Taught her to hate.
Clutch - Burning Beard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o1pPE6l0Vo

Every day I wake up we drink a lot of coffee and watch the CNN
Every day I wake up to a bowl of clover honey and let the locusts fly in Lobsterbacks attack the town again ( << great line!! )
Wrap all my things in aluminum
Beams of darkness streak across the sky
Pink rays from the ancient satellite
Every time I look out my window same three dogs looking back at me
Every time I open my windows cranes fly in to terrorize me
The power of the Holy Ghost
The power of the Holy Ghost

Shadow of the New Praetorian
Tipping cows in fields Elysian
Saturnalia for all you have
The seven habits of the highly infected calve

Swan diving off the tongues of crippled giants
International Business Machine
Choking on bits of barley bread crumbs
Oh this burning beard I have come undone
It’s just as I’ve feared. I have, I have come undone

Bugger dumb the last of academe
Okkam’s razor makes the cutting clean
Shaven like a banker, lilac vegetal.
Break the glass ceiling and golden parachute on down
The power of the Holy Ghost comes to town
Shadow of the New Praetorian
Tipping cows in fields Elysian
Saturnalia for all you have
The seven habits of the highly infected calve

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 7:48:55 PM UTC-7, LowRider44M wrote:

On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 9:53:38 PM UTC-4, slider wrote:

lowrider wrote...

That's what Jer can't face his side is afraid to fight for what they want.

### - imho, what we're witnessing here are the last dying gasps of an ego that's already shedding its shells, and it's desperate clinging to the last + fading vestiges of control before it disappears altogether...

and because without crowing over trump what 'would' he even have left to say!? thus it's the 'silence' he's actually scared of; silence & the silent void that follows upon a ruined, shattered ego that finally realises it can never be put back together again...

thus humpty-dumpty... dies.

the next line going-on about phoenix's then rising from out the ashes or summat hehehe :)

***

"He who dies not before he dies is ruined when he dies." --Jakob Böhme

"Born again? wtf is THAT for christsakes??" --a rationally exasperated nickodemus onetime to jc

hahaha ;)

It's a nationwide phenomenon here.
My older sister like me has never voted.
Somehow CNN convinced her Trump is Adolph Anti Christ.
I'm talking a 65 year old dope smoking pagan who raised three adopted kids. People are watching the mental health of their loved ones deteriorate

rapidly.

My niece came 200 miles take my sister, her mother, for eye surgery.
My sister goes off on some homicidal rant because my niece had some sort of Trump sticker on her car. Long story short my niece told her to "fuck off" and left her to find another ride. They haven't spoken since.

I'm grateful to Jer for a 1000 interesting conversations but he's in deeper than he was with CC. He called this planet Mother Earth in your convo.

Here is Jer's Mom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGW9i_9qBa4

'Mother' just in the sense of supporting all life here.
And that's indisputable. What a silly argument you just made. :)

I had mother issues.
I know you had your share Slides.
But damn Jer's got issues he still never shared.

Jer's just asked you a ton of questions you can't answer. That's all. :)

My ego, vision of self, is self being kind to self. Others come and go.
If I have a warm dry bed and a full belly all is well, a a good smoke is joy. Its all so simple.

Sounds a little too simple? How do all those bizarre symbol systems
and AI Gods arise out of that? Hmmm? :)

Here is me slagging what CNN did to my sister. Taught her to hate.

Sez you, eh? Well, if she really 'hates', that's just her problem.
CNN didn't "teach her" to "hate". They just report the news the way
they see it. I'm beginning to think you're as brainwashed as Trump. :)

Clutch - Burning Beard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o1pPE6l0Vo

Every day I wake up we drink a lot of coffee and watch the CNN
Every day I wake up to a bowl of clover honey and let the locusts fly in Lobsterbacks attack the town again ( << great line!! )
Wrap all my things in aluminum
Beams of darkness streak across the sky
Pink rays from the ancient satellite
Every time I look out my window same three dogs looking back at me
Every time I open my windows cranes fly in to terrorize me
The power of the Holy Ghost
The power of the Holy Ghost

Shadow of the New Praetorian
Tipping cows in fields Elysian
Saturnalia for all you have
The seven habits of the highly infected calve

Swan diving off the tongues of crippled giants
International Business Machine
Choking on bits of barley bread crumbs
Oh this burning beard I have come undone
It’s just as I’ve feared. I have, I have come undone

Bugger dumb the last of academe
Okkam’s razor makes the cutting clean
Shaven like a banker, lilac vegetal.
Break the glass ceiling and golden parachute on down
The power of the Holy Ghost comes to town
Shadow of the New Praetorian
Tipping cows in fields Elysian
Saturnalia for all you have
The seven habits of the highly infected calve

Uh huh. The sort of hallucinogenic imagery you favor all right.
All of a sudden it's not as simple as a bed, a meal, and a smoke.
Go figure...

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 7:51:21 PM UTC-7, LowRider44M wrote:

I dig you Jer, but you fell for the mirage that is politics. Only war is

final.

I find your stance pessimistic, anachronistic, and pointless.
If only war is final, then the human species is doomed.

Welcome to reality.

Since it's not a reality yet, the welcome is hollow.

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

I had mother issues.
I know you had your share Slides.
But damn Jer's got issues he still never shared.

Jer's just asked you a ton of questions you can't answer. That's all. :)

Ask one question.
Tons of questions are for interrogations.

My ego, vision of self, is self being kind to self. Others come and go.
If I have a warm dry bed and a full belly all is well, a a good smoke is

joy.

Its all so simple.

Sounds a little too simple? How do all those bizarre symbol systems
and AI Gods arise out of that? Hmmm? :)

Inevitability of evolution. Eventually 0 = 0 , the rest is artistry.

Here is me slagging what CNN did to my sister. Taught her to hate.

Sez you, eh? Well, if she really 'hates', that's just her problem.
CNN didn't "teach her" to "hate". They just report the news the way
they see it. I'm beginning to think you're as brainwashed as Trump. :)

Brainwashing, repetition, aggravation, impotence, rage addiction, flash mobs. Both sides are doing it, so consensus makes it acceptable to be miserable.

So me and Slides told you about our mom issues long ago, your turn Jer.
Oh that's right you forgot because it was a respectful dignified exchange. Nobody weaponized it or turned honesty into tawdry double entendres.
My sisters declining mental health mirrors your own. Repetition, repetition...

SOOO About your Mom? That's my one question. Tell me about your Mom.

While we're waiting
I'm always home, I'm uncool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3w-giInUC8

Uh huh. The sort of hallucinogenic imagery you favor all right.
All of a sudden it's not as simple as a bed, a meal, and a smoke.
Go figure...

It took nonillions of computational units, synchronized to three counter clockwise spins, moving at 160 miles per second, to produce that small red sphere of light in the forest. Fathom that.

I don't need to run from the mystery. I am the mystery.
All I am saying is take responsibility for your actions.

WE GET IT. You don't like Trump
But each person here is an individual self.
We can't become you if you are already you.
10,000 more Trump sucks articles won't change that.

It's about repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition,repetition, repetition... It's sad to an observer.
Like an autistic child banging his head on a wall wearing a safety helmet.

SO, TELL US ABOUT YOUR MOM!

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Only the freaks care about Manafort and Cohen.
The real people are mourning the death of Molly Tibbets.

You are in a hate bubble.
Real life is dying all around you.
Another 10,000 Trump is Satan articles won't change it.

Politics is the opiate of the masses. The new religious zealots.

10,821 days
Or 29 years, 7 months, 16 days
Alternative time units

10,821 days can be converted to one of these units:

934,934,400 seconds
15,582,240 minutes
259,704 hours
10,821 days
1545 weeks and 6 days

Then I lay my body down.
I've seen my final moment.
I am at peace with this world.
I met Jesus once, I thought he was a demon.
I gave him a ride anyway. I am at peace with him.

56. Jesus said, "Whoever has come to know the world has
discovered a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass, of
that person the world is not worthy."

I have a copy of this civilization. Just watching it again. :-0

In my time of dying - Led Zep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyyT8dgaVY8

In My Time of Dying
Led Zeppelin
In my time of dying, want nobody to mourn
All I want for you to do is take my body home
Well, well, well, so I can die easy
Well, well, well, so I can die easy
Jesus, gonna make up/out siviers
Jesus, gonna make up my dyin' bed
Meet me, Jesus, meet me
Oh meet me in the middle of the air
If my wings should fail me, Lord
Oh please meet me with another pair
Well, well, well, so I can die easy
Well, well, well, so I can die easy
Jesus, gonna make up
Somebody, somebody
Oh, oh Jesus gonna make up
Jesus gonna make you my dyin' bed
Oh, Saint Peter, at the gates of heaven
Won't you let me in
I never did no harm
I never did no wrong
Oh, Gabriel, let me blow your horn
Let me blow your horn
Oh, I never did, did no harm
I've only been this young once
I never thought I'd do anybody no wrong
No, not once
Oh, I did somebody some good
Somebody some good yeah
Oh, did somebody some good yeah
I must have did somebody some good yeah
Oh I believe I did
I see the smiling faces
I know I must have left some traces
And I see them in the streets
And I see them in the field
And I hear them shouting under my feet
And I know it's got to be real
Oh, Lord, deliver me
All the wrong I've done
You can deliver me, Lord
I only wanted to have some fun
Hear the angels marchin'
Hear the' marchin', hear them marchin'
Hear them marchin', the' marchin'
It's got to be my Jesus
Oh, it's got to be, it's got to be my Jesus
it's got to be my oh
it's got to be my Jesus
Oh take me home
Come on, come on I can hear the answer, sing it
Oh, here they come
Here they come
Here they come
Bye-bye
Bye-bye
Bye-bye
Bye-bye
Bye-bye
Oh, feels pretty good, don't you?
Pretty good, I feel
(Oh, Georgina)
Oh, yeah
Oh, I see him
Come on
(Take it)
Oh, don't you make it my dyin', dyin', dyin'
Cough, "that's gonna be the one, isn't it?"
"Come have a listen, then"
Oh yes, thank you

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From: slider@anashram.com

Your so-called "humble opinions" there are just offensive and dumb.
Also the furthest thing possible from humble. :)

### - smile, you can't read the book i write to lowrider maan heh, so it
all sounds like something else to you and that makes ya suspicious & angry
is all... truth is i talk to him very differently than how i ever talk to
you, or chris, or even to thang come to that who's apparently in a class
of his own anyway hah... meaning; i can speak to Art sometimes like you'll never be able to, i get him! plus i think he kinda understands me too
although we don't always see eye to eye due to past/ancient
misunderstandings that never really got fully cleared up (i.e., because
it's possible to go too far with someone and then there's really just no
coming back from that...) so our relationship is always a little somewhat strained, strange vibes crossing the pond and everything heh; long-range badminton/ping-pong hehehe... (you try it too but you're far more clumsy
than he ever is so you're very easy to dodge and to send it spinning back/returned to sender - plus you really shouldn't do that btw, because
one day you'll do it to the wrong person mate who doesn't give a shit and they'll mess you up, possibly even permanently! don't do it even as a joke unless you can actually really handle the consequences you'll potentially
set in motion... there's always someone bigger/stronger and ya can't
always tell who they are, don't do it...)

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 11:37:06 PM UTC-4, slider wrote:

Your so-called "humble opinions" there are just offensive and dumb.
Also the furthest thing possible from humble. :)

### - smile, you can't read the book i write to lowrider maan heh, so it
all sounds like something else to you and that makes ya suspicious & angry
is all... truth is i talk to him very differently than how i ever talk to you, or chris, or even to thang come to that who's apparently in a class
of his own anyway hah... meaning; i can speak to Art sometimes like you'll never be able to, i get him! plus i think he kinda understands me too although we don't always see eye to eye due to past/ancient
misunderstandings that never really got fully cleared up (i.e., because
it's possible to go too far with someone and then there's really just no coming back from that...) so our relationship is always a little somewhat strained, strange vibes crossing the pond and everything heh; long-range badminton/ping-pong hehehe... (you try it too but you're far more clumsy
than he ever is so you're very easy to dodge and to send it spinning back/returned to sender - plus you really shouldn't do that btw, because
one day you'll do it to the wrong person mate who doesn't give a shit and they'll mess you up, possibly even permanently! don't do it even as a joke unless you can actually really handle the consequences you'll potentially
set in motion... there's always someone bigger/stronger and ya can't
always tell who they are, don't do it...)

We have no bills other than me having to lie about the Twin Towers.
You said "It is just another hole in the ground." I had to disagree to
save face. People were hysterical. And I overteased you about the Tao in
your karma bum days. The two times I encountered you in dreamland you
were calm, strong, alert and a gentleman.

I always knew the towers were coming down, they radiated a tragic vibe.
The last day I worked was the day John died. I wish I was still asleep.
I had 7200 days of sleep before I woke up 7/7/79. I tried to get it back and have not slept a wink since. People like John and Bob and Jesus convinced me not to be a total dickhead about everything. Live and let live is best, if possible

Mind Guerilla
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVYXWVs0Prc

Mr. Eight on smoking ciggies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e84siaoHOjM

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

Fair is fair.
My mom was a policewoman.
She got the job the same day the doctor told her she was pregnant with me.
When she left the doctors office a fierce wind was blowing in her face.
She struggled to make it all the way home in the driving wind but made it.
She has borderline personality disorder.
She was named after a french actress Marguerite.
Touching, holding, or kissing her children was difficult.
My grandmother and oldest sister raised me after my nine months in police HQ.
I know why she is my mother and would never speak of it because it is private. Suffice to say, most of my family members had insurance policies I wrote for $. She tried really hard to be a good mother and failed horribly.
That is why I love her, even though it was impossible she felt compelled to try.
She is eighty-seven and still makes me soup once a month and is pretty healthy. She is a devout catholic so I am very respectful when I talk religion with her. From the moment I was born to this very day I have known these soul children.

Lovely Rita
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysDwR5SIR1Q

The two sisters on the couch are Hagar & Sarah. Or "May Bee Knots."
In my private reality this journey takes 3.5 seconds of 64-0 hub time.
One could see it as a computation on behalf of possible future partners.


But I mean no harm nor put fault
On anyone that lives in a vault
But it's alright, Ma, if I can't please him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYajHZ4QUVM

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From: slider@anashram.com

People like John and Bob and Jesus convinced me not to be a total
dickhead about everything. Live and let live is best, if possible

### - 'live & let live' is actually very sane - advanced! :)

'wars' have been fought (in the past) before ever arriving at such a balanced/sober conclusion...

against all the odds they made-it in south africa (just about) just as it
was all going down the can... (or maybe only 'because' it was just about
to all go down, but they made it!)

and where one man 'can' go another can follow...

and because '2nd-stage reason' began right there!

reason 2.0 :)

peace...

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