thank you boss may i have another?
Brian my boy Vini's book
might sober you up some.
But it was just my imagination once again runnin' way with me
Tell you it was just my imagination runnin' away with me
### -better change your shampoo or whatever then 'coz it's apparently
givin' ya hallucinations
i'm not that far off amigo.
### - having spent the better part of 20 years in this gaff, i prolly >couldn't BE more hardened to insults and digs?
what i have difficulty with, however, and accordingly, are complements??? >(cringe factor of 7 or 8 lol)
like this one today hahaha...
Tibor Pajer Brian, I like your book very much! Your logical and
observative aproach to the different states of consciousness is simple >excellent! :) I recommend it to everybody!
***
and english isn't even his first language hah! :)
and, is only a shame jeremy couldn't have been 'as-objective' in 'his'
review huh...
:D
On Sun, 08 Jul 2018 21:19:48 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.org>
wrote:
### - having spent the better part of 20 years in this gaff, i prolly
couldn't BE more hardened to insults and digs?
what i have difficulty with, however, and accordingly, are
complements???
(cringe factor of 7 or 8 lol)
like this one today hahaha...
Tibor Pajer Brian, I like your book very much! Your logical and
observative aproach to the different states of consciousness is simple
excellent! :) I recommend it to everybody!
***
and english isn't even his first language hah! :)
and, is only a shame jeremy couldn't have been 'as-objective' in 'his'
review huh...
:D
Well done.
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:00:59 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2018 21:19:48 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.org>
wrote:
### - having spent the better part of 20 years in this gaff, i prolly
couldn't BE more hardened to insults and digs?
what i have difficulty with, however, and accordingly, are
complements???
(cringe factor of 7 or 8 lol)
like this one today hahaha...
Tibor Pajer Brian, I like your book very much! Your logical and
observative aproach to the different states of consciousness is simple
excellent! :) I recommend it to everybody!
***
and english isn't even his first language hah! :)
and, is only a shame jeremy couldn't have been 'as-objective' in 'his'
review huh...
:D
Well done.
### - hahaha you're trying to make me cringe innit lol...
so how about this one?
Scott Robinson on Facebook, 7th June 2018:
I am preparing to plug Brian Aherne's (slider's) book big time on my >unworlding group just this morning since this awesome book has just
provided me with a milestone experience, my first ever totally lucid WILD
from a waking state. This is the first really great, original book I've
found in a long time...
(i like it, but it still has a cringe-factor of around 8 lol and perforce >will have to go into hiding if it gets any worse haha...) :)
Can’t you feel that sun a-shinin’?
Groundhog runnin’ by the country stream
This must be the day that all of my dreams come true
So happy just to be alive
Underneath the sky of blue
On this new morning, new morning
On this new morning with you
It's the depths of winter here and I've got laryngitis. I do not
share your feelings nor do I share your view.
On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 09:10:51 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:00:59 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2018 21:19:48 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.org>
wrote:
### - having spent the better part of 20 years in this gaff, i prolly
couldn't BE more hardened to insults and digs?
what i have difficulty with, however, and accordingly, are
complements???
(cringe factor of 7 or 8 lol)
like this one today hahaha...
Tibor Pajer Brian, I like your book very much! Your logical and
observative aproach to the different states of consciousness is simple >>>> excellent! :) I recommend it to everybody!
***
and english isn't even his first language hah! :)
and, is only a shame jeremy couldn't have been 'as-objective' in 'his' >>>> review huh...
:D
Well done.
### - hahaha you're trying to make me cringe innit lol...
Not at all. You have done well. You've created a literary work
regardless of objective merit and self-published within limited
financial means. You've attained an audience and critical acclaim. It
is a feather in your cap and I will not withhold congratulations
because we don't see eye to eye on a lot of things.
In my last full career, I employed many professionals (law and
accounting and one electrical engineer) and I always congratulated
those who did well (and generated fees). It's simple Organisational
and Behavioural Theory 101 - some call it Theory Y (look it up), I
call it deserved merit.
On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 02:35:59 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 09:10:51 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:00:59 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2018 21:19:48 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.org>
wrote:
### - having spent the better part of 20 years in this gaff, i prolly >>>>> couldn't BE more hardened to insults and digs?
what i have difficulty with, however, and accordingly, are
complements???
(cringe factor of 7 or 8 lol)
like this one today hahaha...
Tibor Pajer Brian, I like your book very much! Your logical and
observative aproach to the different states of consciousness is simple >>>>> excellent! :) I recommend it to everybody!
***
and english isn't even his first language hah! :)
and, is only a shame jeremy couldn't have been 'as-objective' in 'his' >>>>> review huh...
:D
Well done.
### - hahaha you're trying to make me cringe innit lol...
Not at all. You have done well. You've created a literary work
regardless of objective merit and self-published within limited
financial means. You've attained an audience and critical acclaim. It
is a feather in your cap and I will not withhold congratulations
because we don't see eye to eye on a lot of things.
### - no need to applaud ffs, can just throw money instead? (really
laffing hahaha...)
In my last full career, I employed many professionals (law and
accounting and one electrical engineer) and I always congratulated
those who did well (and generated fees). It's simple Organisational
and Behavioural Theory 101 - some call it Theory Y (look it up), I
call it deserved merit.
### - yeah well, i wasn't trained to write so had to sweat blood to
produce that for general consumption (there was actually a lot of 'zen' >involved in writing all that & compiling it) ;)
To me, it just sounds like he's not very good at it,
either WILD or DILD. There are several indications throughout
his account that he's not really going or staying fully lucid,
not even in WILD. And this dreaming certainly wasn't very 'stable'.
His WILD was as wild as any DILD. :)
To me, it just sounds like he's not very good at it,
either WILD or DILD. There are several indications throughout
his account that he's not really going or staying fully lucid,
not even in WILD. And this dreaming certainly wasn't very 'stable'.
His WILD was as wild as any DILD. :)
### - he's just an average, plus apparently fairly good, dildo-er of old
by all accounts... and accordingly auto-transfers his more usual expectations (from dilding) to WILDing thus this initial melange, but
would expect that to improve due to the increased directness & simplicity of going WILD...
dild-o's apparently having to first correct/get-over their already fairly ingrained ways of rather clumsily handling dreaming from that perspective alone, most of which never reaches (or reached) full lucidity anyway (dildo-rehab required? heh...) - comments like 'never before' tending to suggest a marked + strikingly noticeable difference in perception on his part compared to what he's used to; was all i was commenting on... and because i think i know, from experience, precisely what that is & why...
and imho is just a shame you don't have any of your own 'actual' + more 'recent' experiences to refer to in all this, instead of being reduced to eternally playing this intellectual guessing-game of what you 'think' it all 'sounds' like to you etc etc? and all of it questionably negative hehehe...
iow: you really can't 'do' this stuff from one's armchair, like you're doing, and then honestly profess to know enough to critique it; dilds
maybe yes but WILDs no? and because the 'proof of the pudding' and all
that heh, 'is' in the actual eating thereof...
I know very well that lucid dreaming can seem as 'stable' and
real-seeming as the daily world. I've experienced that many times.
That dude seemed shocked by it, as if it was unusual for him.
I know very well that lucid dreaming can seem as 'stable' and
real-seeming as the daily world. I've experienced that many times.
That dude seemed shocked by it, as if it was unusual for him.
### - fact is high lucidity is a rarity amongst dild-doers unless you're ex-castaneda apparently heh, and this mainly because you seem to be the
only one who can (maybe) dild with full lucidity, we only have your word
for this + i haven't actually met any others in all this time claiming anything similar...
added to which dilds can't be turned on/off like WILDs can, dilds are a completely random affair...
so in truth you're merely trolling :)
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 8:10:34 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:
I know very well that lucid dreaming can seem as 'stable' and
real-seeming as the daily world. I've experienced that many times.
That dude seemed shocked by it, as if it was unusual for him.
### - fact is high lucidity is a rarity amongst dild-doers unless you're
ex-castaneda apparently heh, and this mainly because you seem to be the
only one who can (maybe) dild with full lucidity, we only have your word
for this + i haven't actually met any others in all this time claiming
anything similar...
Aside from sleep lab experiments, we have only a person's word
for ANYTHING they experience in LD, in both DILD and WILD.
This includes you, bub.
added to which dilds can't be turned on/off like WILDs can, dilds are a
completely random affair...
so in truth you're merely trolling :)
Apparently, you don't know what the word trolling means.
I made a clear, meaningful statement on dreaming in general.
In no valid sense of the word was it trolling.
So what if DILD can't be 'turned on or off'? Neither can your
heartbeat, or your appetite, or your sex drive, or even your
curiosity. (And besides, to some degree it can be turned on, using
your *intent* to do it.)
### - heh i meant trolling in the sense of you deliberately making negative-type comments in an otherwise fairly positive thread in order to merely mar the tone of the thing and to perhaps pull it off into an
argument (the uglier the better from your pov), something you've always personally done but also loudly bellyache about like there's no tomorrow whenever someone does it to you? (+ that's also how i know you know you're doing it quite deliberately too... you're trolling!) :)
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 17:30:16 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
wrote:
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 8:10:34 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:
I know very well that lucid dreaming can seem as 'stable' and
real-seeming as the daily world. I've experienced that many times.
That dude seemed shocked by it, as if it was unusual for him.
### - fact is high lucidity is a rarity amongst dild-doers unless you're >> ex-castaneda apparently heh, and this mainly because you seem to be the
only one who can (maybe) dild with full lucidity, we only have your word >> for this + i haven't actually met any others in all this time claiming
anything similar...
Aside from sleep lab experiments, we have only a person's word
for ANYTHING they experience in LD, in both DILD and WILD.
This includes you, bub.
### - smile, am just saying i just haven't met (nor spoken to) 'anyone' (other than you) claiming 'full' lucidity in dilds as being common is all
whereas most people usually remark just how clear & vivid everything is
when experiencing a WILD for the first t ime 'compared' to a dild, which
then equals only 'you' versus quite a few peeps by now mentioning an unexpected lucidity when WILDing (is often seen/remarked-on too when peeps use wbtb to lucid dream and unwittingly WILD but think it's a dild...)
added to which dilds can't be turned on/off like WILDs can, dilds are a
completely random affair...
so in truth you're merely trolling :)
Apparently, you don't know what the word trolling means.
I made a clear, meaningful statement on dreaming in general.
In no valid sense of the word was it trolling.
### - heh i meant trolling in the sense of you deliberately making negative-type comments in an otherwise fairly positive thread in order to merely mar the tone of the thing and to perhaps pull it off into an
argument (the uglier the better from your pov), something you've always personally done but also loudly bellyache about like there's no tomorrow whenever someone does it to you? (+ that's also how i know you know you're doing it quite deliberately too... you're trolling!) :)
So what if DILD can't be 'turned on or off'? Neither can your
heartbeat, or your appetite, or your sex drive, or even your
curiosity. (And besides, to some degree it can be turned on, using
your *intent* to do it.)
### - no, there's no conscious switch to dilds thus it's a purely chuck-it-and-chance-it technique that may or may not even work;
the addon's etc... whereas WILDs are the complete opposite, and only
actually function correctly/fully when quite consciously induced... big difference! - plus highlights a quite obvious advantage that WILDs then
have over dilds from the off... a much easier and far more straightforward method of lucid dreaming that had been basically shelved/overlooked for
all the wrong reasons... until now :)
smile, you plead ignorance as that merely allows you to continue to
'pretend' to debate, or do i have to remind you of your own initial
thoughts on this very matter that you then went to all the trouble of trolling my book with under the guise of being a balanced review??
(grinz...) :D
quote:
"The author does make clear that the major advantage of WILD is the
ability to do lucid dreaming virtually at will, and to remain aware throughout the entire process, and that is truly an advantage."
so... 'there' you DO at least 'comprehend' what kind an advantage such a thing 'might' represent, but now today you totally don't?? riiiight...
that's trolling! (or possibly just alzheimers heh, who knows)
:)
### - smile, am just saying i just haven't met (nor spoken to) 'anyone'
(other than you) claiming 'full' lucidity in dilds as being common is
all
Grin, I told you long ago that I did know several other people
among Castaneda's students - and personally knew two people well -
one male and one female - who were expert at both WILD and DILD.
Neither person regarded either method as being "better" (although it's
great to be good at both methods if you're into LD). Neither person
ever made a big 'issue' out of WILD vs. DILD at all.
Indeed, YOU are the first person I ever encountered who made a
huge issue out of it, and to this day I think that's stupid. :)
Castaneda himself didn't do that either. He was always more like...
well, how a person does dreaming is personal to them.
You act like you think you're the only one who ever does it.
Wesselman was doing it back in the 90s. Castaneda gave us a few
methods for WILD too back then. They didn't work for me,
personally, but... he did give us a few.
whereas most people usually remark just how clear & vivid everything is
when experiencing a WILD for the first t ime 'compared' to a dild, which
then equals only 'you' versus quite a few peeps by now mentioning an
unexpected lucidity when WILDing (is often seen/remarked-on too when
peeps
use wbtb to lucid dream and unwittingly WILD but think it's a dild...)
That's almost a non-sequitur. They're probably just unsure whether
they went back to sleep or not. And it probably doesn't even matter,
since if they manage to enter LD soon after going to back sleep then
they're still in the early non-REM stages of sleep (I've done that
many times).
I have concluded, after reexamining my own experiences
over the years that there probably is a big difference in the
'stability' of dreaming scenes depending on whether you go lucid in
non-REM or in REM. And THAT is almost certainly why you believe
there's such a big difference between DILD and WILD. It's really the
big difference non-REM and REM. WILD happens right on the edge of
nREM-1, so the dream scenes are more 'stable'.
And I get that, but I learned to maintain lucidity in both states.
Because I worked hard to do it. The REM state is weirder and less
stable (also often much more interesting), but if you're determined
to stay lucid, you totally can in either state. There may even be
subtle differences between NREM1 and NREM2 LD. But I learned using
methods that forced me to hyper-monitor the state of my awareness
and also made me tremendously determined, so I learned that it
doesn't matter how 'stable' dream scenes are or what they morph
into, you can still maintain lucidity if you work hard at it.
are aadded to which dilds can't be turned on/off like WILDs can, dilds
completely random affair...
so in truth you're merely trolling :)
Apparently, you don't know what the word trolling means.
I made a clear, meaningful statement on dreaming in general.
In no valid sense of the word was it trolling.
### - heh i meant trolling in the sense of you deliberately making
negative-type comments in an otherwise fairly positive thread in order
to
merely mar the tone of the thing and to perhaps pull it off into an
argument (the uglier the better from your pov), something you've always
personally done but also loudly bellyache about like there's no tomorrow
whenever someone does it to you? (+ that's also how i know you know
you're
doing it quite deliberately too... you're trolling!) :)
I'm just trying to present a more well-rounded view of dreaming.
And maybe get you to be more objective about your obsession.
On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 00:10:51 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
wrote:
### - smile, am just saying i just haven't met (nor spoken to) 'anyone'
(other than you) claiming 'full' lucidity in dilds as being common is
all
Grin, I told you long ago that I did know several other people
among Castaneda's students - and personally knew two people well -
one male and one female - who were expert at both WILD and DILD.
Neither person regarded either method as being "better" (although it's great to be good at both methods if you're into LD). Neither person
ever made a big 'issue' out of WILD vs. DILD at all.
### - such 'lack' of discernment is/was 'their' problem innit, and yours
too apparently heh...
missed the boat much? (grinz...)
Indeed, YOU are the first person I ever encountered who made a
huge issue out of it, and to this day I think that's stupid. :)
### - 'anything' you don't understand always seems stupid to you, which
imho precisely defines what 'stupid' actually is lol + all depends on what you 'want' to understand! - like once you wanted to 'understand' the Cos
and wouldn't hear anything said against them, then castaneda, now all THIS crap instead?? and that's precisely what you don't understand! mostly coz
you don't wanna and because you're incapable of being more objectively detached and as such incapable of evaluating anything properly; you're all 'opinion' and no evidence that isn't... secondhand :)
either put-up or shut up?
Castaneda himself didn't do that either. He was always more like...
well, how a person does dreaming is personal to them.
### - yeah... and then everything cc said/suggested turned out to be shite right? lol
so you really shouldn't listen to him about anything right?? and were actually very angry about how 'wrong' he was and now you're quoting from
him like that qualifies what *you're* saying??
and you don't see any problem with that! LOL! :)))
You act like you think you're the only one who ever does it.
Wesselman was doing it back in the 90s. Castaneda gave us a few
methods for WILD too back then. They didn't work for me,
personally, but... he did give us a few.
### - laberge basically 'discovered' the whole thing (initially mapped it anyway) and yet 'still' totally underestimated their actual value?! yes
many mistakes have been made! and not actually realising just what WILDs actually + really ARE + why they are etc etc, was definitely one of the biggest blunders/fumbles ever i reckon! - lol talk about dropping the
ball?? - still, 'someone' had to be the champion of dilds innit i suppose heh, and he (laberge) did a fairly good job too! only now it's roll-over beethoven time 'coz the 'other' exact side of the coin has arrived and
wont be denied examination any longer hah! (and that's cool because it clarifies things + adds a whole new part to it; the missing part!)
whereas most people usually remark just how clear & vivid everything is
when experiencing a WILD for the first t ime 'compared' to a dild, which >> then equals only 'you' versus quite a few peeps by now mentioning an
unexpected lucidity when WILDing (is often seen/remarked-on too when
peeps
use wbtb to lucid dream and unwittingly WILD but think it's a dild...)
That's almost a non-sequitur. They're probably just unsure whether
they went back to sleep or not. And it probably doesn't even matter,
since if they manage to enter LD soon after going to back sleep then they're still in the early non-REM stages of sleep (I've done that
many times).
### - give it up jeremy, you really DON'T know wtf you're talking about
and literally now making it up as you go along lol...
you've done nada mate! not enough anyway, and ALL of it almost completely unconscious dildo-ing at best thus useless! unless ya wanna be a cc-nut
that is, you'd easily qualify for that lol, opp's sorry, you did already hahaha :)))
I have concluded, after reexamining my own experiences
over the years that there probably is a big difference in the
'stability' of dreaming scenes depending on whether you go lucid in
non-REM or in REM. And THAT is almost certainly why you believe
there's such a big difference between DILD and WILD. It's really the
big difference non-REM and REM. WILD happens right on the edge of
nREM-1, so the dream scenes are more 'stable'.
### - all sounds great 'in theory' jeremy, but that's ALL you gots! just
more armchair theory to justify other armchair theory! it's rem and it's
not rem and all that bollocks?? lol, you're like a scientist pontificating
on Picasso or van gogh lol; it's all numbers and no content, experience
nor style! splashed across a grid that's labeled perspective hah; it's all crap! and conceptual/contextual crap at that! it's all lies & distortion!
you can't do, you can only theorise :)
All that gives me more reason to believe my theory is right.
### - laberge basically 'discovered' the whole thing (initially mapped
it
anyway) and yet 'still' totally underestimated their actual value?! yes
many mistakes have been made! and not actually realising just what WILDs
actually + really ARE + why they are etc etc, was definitely one of the
biggest blunders/fumbles ever i reckon! - lol talk about dropping the
ball?? - still, 'someone' had to be the champion of dilds innit i
suppose
heh, and he (laberge) did a fairly good job too! only now it's roll-over
beethoven time 'coz the 'other' exact side of the coin has arrived and
wont be denied examination any longer hah! (and that's cool because it
clarifies things + adds a whole new part to it; the missing part!)
Actually, Laberge is yet another person who didn't seem to think
WILDs were all that special compared to DILDs.
He wouldn't have
either since he was another person like me who could maintain
full lucidity in DILD and he was exposed to many people in the labs
who could do both WILD and DILD.
So it wasn't a big deal to him either.
And he was totally right not to make a big deal out of it.
On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 23:33:37 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
wrote:
BIG mistake! - huge! - WILDs didn't fit... the theory!
so he discarded 'em instead of reexamining the theory...
And he was totally right not to make a big deal out of it.
### - ahahaha is that right??
riiiiiight... :D
and well, we're gonna actually find that out now innit!
'coz when 'enough' peeps are doing/using it the demand will arise to find out!
so all ya gots to do now is live long enough to wait and see :)
point being: the question is still pending, it hasn't actually 'been' answered yet...
and this no-matter what you just so 'happen' to currently... 'believe' :)
(laberge 'seems' like a decent-enough chap, decent enough to maybe even admit his error when confronted with it, we'll see... what *you'll* do if he does, however, is far less certain haha; you'll prolly go and shoot-up los vegas or summat lol...)
lol what WILL you do if i AM right jeremy? how WILL you handle it??
just how 'much' would it fuck you up if am right! :)))
and will you take a bet on it!
Well, you don't seem to have any testable theories at all, Slider.
My theories could all be thoroughly tested in sleep labs.
But after the way you've behaved,
you sound like fucking robots.
frasier's dad wrote... :)
you sound like fucking robots.
### - awww don't go on so dad... niles is off the hook now :)
Mr. WILD has no coherent theory on WILDs. Go figure...
I didn't say it needed to be an 'academic theory'. You're unqualified
to create one anyway. *Any* coherent theory of how it fits would do.
On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 21:57:41 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
wrote:
I didn't say it needed to be an 'academic theory'. You're unqualified
to create one anyway. *Any* coherent theory of how it fits would do.
### - smile, it's a 'non-academic' minimum masters-level dissertation/essay, that ends with:
"Is there a philosophy to lucid dreaming? Is there something, a meaning behind it all? There undoubtedly is, albeit currently hidden from view,
and discovering, unravelling and understanding that philosophy is
obviously going to take time and experience, not because it’s particularly
difficult but because it’s a whole new field of endeavour containing as yet unrealised reference points. The implications and ramifications of
this hypothesis, I’m waging, could well be far-reaching, if not immense, in terms of obtaining a greater understanding of ourselves and the nature of the world around us." --closing lines from: The WILD Way To Lucid Dreaming, by slider...
the whole thing's an hypothesis, so you'll just have to take it out of
that heh...
besides which, i don't see you actually doing/offering anything better?
so then either put up or shut up innit hehehe...
have done 'my' bit... what have 'you' accomplished lately that's even remotely similar? nada.
am perfectly happy with it, it's getting rave reviews + have also sold another 14 copies just this month alone bringing total sales of it to now 206 currently :)
let's just see ya getting anywhere even 'near' beating that on word-of-mouth alone??
you can't & you wont because you've basically got 'nada' original to even say/offer...
heh :D happy days!
some jockey won 7 races at Del Mar.
Set some of record, but i didn't bet
any race on him. (fuck i should have).
### - imagine just a 1-buck accumulator bet on that little lot eh?
(first win goes onto the second which goes onto the third etc etc 7 times heh)
some jockey won 7 races at Del Mar.
Set some of record, but i didn't bet
any race on him. (fuck i should have).
some jockey won 7 races at Del Mar.
Set some of record, but i didn't bet
any race on him. (fuck i should have).
### - imagine just a 1-buck accumulator bet on that little lot eh?
(first win goes onto the second which goes onto the third etc etc 7
times
heh)
yeah i was telling this to my wife this morning.
i will get the payouts of this guy and compute
what a two dollar bet would turn in to on a parlay ride.
let me get my calculator out and figure this. be back
in a while.
### - just in case i 'may' have doubted anything; the universe then comes back at me with this :)
Charlie: (today)
Now I remember why it took me so long to read this book. Something in me must have known the end would indeed be the sweetest, most refreshing
piece of work I’ve ever read in my life on this planet.
So for over a year I read a little here and a little there, only to be blown back after gently closing the last page. My name is Charlie, and, I have read more than six books concerning the intricacies of lucid dreaming (Journey to Ixtalan, The Art of Dreaming, Lucid Dreaming Plain & Simple,
A Field Guide to Lucid Dreaming, The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep &
The WILD Way to Lucid Dreaming), and, to this day, have yet to see one
with the switch-blade accuracy it includes.
This book is no less than a revolutionary piece of art. With everything concerning debate stripped away to leave only the exact process so as to keep the reader from jumping to conclusions about this or that, The WILD Way To Lucid Dreaming TRULY is the most practical of all guides created.
***
alright alright fuck me, that's enough! i submit haha! :D
damn, it's almost enough to make me blush?
+ says he's gonna write some of the the above on amazon US as a review (cool)
cheers universe for reminding me that not 'everyone' i've cast my pearl(s) before is/was a swine?
ahahaha :)
So could you maybe tell us like every 100 sales or something?
### - oh alright then if it really bugs ya 'that' much hehehe... ;)
but ONLY if you'll do the same re trump?
deal?
So could you maybe tell us like every 100 sales or something?
So could you maybe tell us like every 100 sales or something?
### - oh alright then if it really bugs ya 'that' much hehehe... ;)
but ONLY if you'll do the same re trump?
deal?
I know it may be hard for you to see this, but Trump is
really much more important than who learns lucid dreaming.
And it doesn't bug me much. Just giving you a little shit. :)
So could you maybe tell us like every 100 sales or something?
### - oh alright then if it really bugs ya 'that' much hehehe... ;)
but ONLY if you'll do the same re trump?
deal?
I know it may be hard for you to see this, but Trump is
really much more important than who learns lucid dreaming.
### - 'he' wont be around forever, whereas LDing's gonna be around for the foreseeable future!
you missed a good offer! :)
And it doesn't bug me much. Just giving you a little shit. :)
### - yeah that's just what the worlds needs right now innit: 'more' shit??
does seem to be what you're best at though, i'll give ya that hehehe...
loves 'shit' ahaha...
(in my best terry thomas voice...) you absolute 'swine' :)
### - just found this posted in ref. to 'The WILD Way' in another group on fb, by a nice young lady who's only just joined our WILDs & WILDing group, and with spectacular results! :)
Mia: I've had a wonderful success with this method and can't sing its
praises high enough. 11 wilds now in only 3 weeks or thereabouts from only ever reading about lucid dreaming before. If someone hadn't recommended
this book to me I would probably be still wondering what the heck is going on, as I was having some weird experiences on going to bed and didn't
realise what it was.
This book not only cleared that all up, but has also opened up a whole new world of being to me just like that! Plus I've never felt so good in
myself either? I feel really healthy and there's a spring in my step that just wasn't there before! I 'love' this experience and can't recommend it enough. xx
***
so you see chris, they 'can' get it! - and love it!
where they 'go' with it all, however, might just be another matter
altogether haha :)
(oooh look! i've learned to lucid dream with my head up my ass again!)
wouldn't surprise me in the least hehehe :)
### - just found this posted in ref. to 'The WILD Way' in another group
on
fb, by a nice young lady who's only just joined our WILDs & WILDing
group,
and with spectacular results! :)
Mia: I've had a wonderful success with this method and can't sing its
praises high enough. 11 wilds now in only 3 weeks or thereabouts from
only
ever reading about lucid dreaming before. If someone hadn't recommended
this book to me I would probably be still wondering what the heck is
going
on, as I was having some weird experiences on going to bed and didn't
realise what it was.
This book not only cleared that all up, but has also opened up a whole
new
world of being to me just like that! Plus I've never felt so good in
myself either? I feel really healthy and there's a spring in my step
that
just wasn't there before! I 'love' this experience and can't recommend
it
enough. xx
***
If you were going to boil down the recipe-technique
as in DILD For Dummies, what would I do.
I had some vague occular imagery with closed eyes and
I tried spinning it as I moved forward into it to mixed results.
Yesterday I was forced to wake up early for important tasks.
Couldn't believe the complexity and color and mobility in scenario.
I just don't seem to remember jack squat by the time I wake up.
What's a basic tip for WILD.
LowRider wrote...
### - just found this posted in ref. to 'The WILD Way' in another group >> on
fb, by a nice young lady who's only just joined our WILDs & WILDing
group,
and with spectacular results! :)
Mia: I've had a wonderful success with this method and can't sing its
praises high enough. 11 wilds now in only 3 weeks or thereabouts from
only
ever reading about lucid dreaming before. If someone hadn't recommended
this book to me I would probably be still wondering what the heck is
going
on, as I was having some weird experiences on going to bed and didn't
realise what it was.
This book not only cleared that all up, but has also opened up a whole >> new
world of being to me just like that! Plus I've never felt so good in
myself either? I feel really healthy and there's a spring in my step
that
just wasn't there before! I 'love' this experience and can't recommend >> it
enough. xx
***
If you were going to boil down the recipe-technique
as in DILD For Dummies, what would I do.
I had some vague occular imagery with closed eyes and
I tried spinning it as I moved forward into it to mixed results.
Yesterday I was forced to wake up early for important tasks.
Couldn't believe the complexity and color and mobility in scenario.
I just don't seem to remember jack squat by the time I wake up.
What's a basic tip for WILD.
### - to simply wait in conscious expectation/anticipation of first seeing some of this hypnagogic imagery, the clearer/sharper the better, and to then quite deliberately attempt to examine some of it's finer detail... that this very act of shifting/changing focus from gazing at (and through) such imagery to actually examining some of it being the very thing that then pull/zooms us into a full WILD (a sensation of rushing forward into it)
and that's really all there is to the whole thing! :)
The 'best' practice by far (iow: the 'full' practice) being to learn to arrive at seeing this imagery from the starting point of being fully awake in the daily world, iow: at one's normal bedtimes rather than deliberately waking up in the night (wbtb) and/or until one has in fact just awoken
from a whole night of sleep... that although both those methods work just fine, more is learned/gleaned from being able to shift from full waking to full WILDing, something that's fairly easily accomplished just by deliberately relaxing for a few minutes after first laying down, one isn't aiming for complete relaxation and only for a similar state to that of having woken during the night and/or after waking after a full night's sleep, something that's fairly easy to achieve when first going to bed because our already ingrained routine is to do just that anyway albeit usually completely unconsciously...
20 minutes or so of mildly relaxing using one's breathing to relax the
body is child's play especially after a little practice at it, most total newbies taking around about a week to reach this relaxed-enough stage, something that reveals itself as the body feeling slightly different, floaty or lite, and/or slightly tingly or even enlarged in parts, particularly in the hands and forearms which feel like they've expanded (one guy describing his hands as feeling like grapefruits, another lady described her whole body as feeling like a blob etc) that once this bodily change is noted it's then time to begin looking for said imagery and about forgetting the body altogether...
as you've already seen such imagery you already now know what you're looking for, it doesn't have to go as far as whole scenic views and movies as such as even a single static image will do (any clear image in fact)
and then it's only a matter of trial & effort in examining that imagery (a few days maybe) in such a way so as to trigger a WILD...
so only 3 steps/stages then:
1, when starting from scratch; keeping 'perfectly still' and relaxing the body till it feels slightly different (something that can, of course, be obviated by waking in the night or early morning when one is already relaxed enough, only i consider this to be rather lazy as it's ultimately better to learn to initiate each & every stage and thus be fully conscious of each and every stage personally + quite deliberately...)
2, having now reached a slightly altered state of awareness whereby the body feels noticeably different in some way as described, and still not having moved even an inch, pulling one's now fully gathered attention (gathered by deliberately relaxing i mean) onto the hypnagogia itself, which at this point often only starts-off with the odd splash of colour
and floating blobs, but which clears up marvelously over the next few minutes and the longer one stares at it/through it... the point here being to keep one's eyes perfectly still too and thus only really look at the ones that appear in one's direct line of sight, slight movement of the
eyes at this early point having the effect of making it all disappear again...
3, once some very clear and sharp images show up; deliberately then making an attempt to examine some of it's finer details... iow: one shifts one's focus from gazing at/through them to actually examining them/looking right at them, and it's this last that triggers the WILD...
most of the beginner-difficulties so far have all been along the lines of getting to actually see some hypnagogia in the first place and then that
of keeping their eyes still and not chasing after them, and then the last bit of examining some of their details in the right way so as to get pulled/zoomed-in by them...
only the relaxing part is tricky but can be easily achieved by more or
less just about any method of deliberately relaxing, the one i recommend
is thus:
For the first I’d initially suggest getting yourself into bed and lying down on your left side with your knees together and your legs slightly bent. Give your body a little time to adjust to the exertion involved of getting into bed and settling down into a comfortable position. Just lie there for a few minutes in the dark until your breathing and heart-rate gradually slow down to a steady rhythm.
After about five minutes, when your breathing has settled right down and has become steady and regular, deliberately take a long, deep breath by breathing slowly in through your nose until no more air can get in. Don’t force anything or cork your throat by letting go and relaxing your chest once fully inflated. Keep your throat held open and hold that breath for about four or five seconds or so and then let it out again very slowly through the mouth while at the same time trying to feel any residual tension in your muscles draining out of your body and sinking down through the bed and into the floor. Make a conscious attempt as you breathe out to feel your whole body becoming even more relaxed than it was before, as though it was sinking down into the bed. Aim via these breaths to let your body become so relaxed that if anyone were at one point to lift one of
your arms and let it go again, the arm would just flop right back to where it was under its own weight without any help from you. Do this long breath just the once and then let your body return to breathing again under its own steam. Spend a few moments breathing normally, just letting your body breathe as it may, and then, after a little while, deliberately take another long slow breath in through your nose feeling your whole body
tense up slightly as you control the intake of air, letting your lungs
fill up as much as they can without forcing anything, again holding that breath when it reaches the top by maintaining the ever so slight pressure of breathing in (i.e. by not corking your throat in order to hold it
locked in) for another count of four or five seconds before slowly letting that breath out through your mouth while at the same time deliberately letting go of your body as though you were weightless. When all the air is naturally out (again without forcing anything) let your body return to its usual way of breathing for a couple of minutes or so, noting how much more your body feels relaxed each time.
Repeat this exercise several times over the course of the next few minutes and you’ll probably be surprised at just how tense you actually were, even
though your body felt completely relaxed before. A good example of this is around the head, neck and shoulders area which seems to sink ever deeper than before into the pillow each time you do the long breath out. Try to detect any residual muscle tension from your body sink down into the bed and floor as a mild sensation similar to that of going down in an
elevator. Pay particular attention to these areas of the head, neck and shoulders, working through them in sequence if necessary until they all feel completely relaxed and as sunken into your pillow as they’re likely to get.
Keep this up for about ten to twenty minutes in total, alternating between normal breathing and the occasional long controlled one and/or until you experience a sensation of feeling like a complete dead weight, trying each time to aim for that feeling of being so relaxed that if someone were to lift your arm and let it go again it would just flop back to your side.
You may also feel at this point a very slight overall tingling sensation,
a kind of spreading numbness in your limbs, and also notice that your breathing is now beginning to be composed of slow, far slighter breaths coming more from the lower part of your abdomen (belly breaths). This is perfect. Don’t try to force this situation to come about, let it occur naturally through using your breathing to release muscle tension. This is precisely the easy state of mental and physical relaxation one is aiming for in order to begin trying to lucid dream, and this feeling of bodily lightness or largeness coupled with belly breaths confirms it.
The second method consists of doing exactly the same breathing exercises for a few moments to get started, but this time systematically working all the way up from your toes to the top of your head, gradually releasing all bodily tension from each area down through the bed and into the ground as you go. Again, spending at least fifteen to twenty minutes or so on this, the time it takes to reach a state of relaxation gradually becoming
shorter with each session as your ability to relax at will progresses. Don’t worry if it takes longer in the initial stages, you are learning to consciously relax your body and it takes a little practice. You may have
to try for forty minutes the first few times to reach and recognise this state of being but, rest assured, you’ll quickly get it all down
to under twenty minutes or so with familiarity and practice. In the meantime, just enjoy it for what it is; the setting out upon a new adventure. Don’t rush things. Enjoy every part and stage of it!
In order later to reach a state of lucid dreaming, it’s also very important during these relaxation exercises not to move or change your
body position or posture at all, particularly during the last few minutes of doing them. During the first few minutes get yourself into a
comfortable enough position and try to maintain it and to also perfect
that position by tweaking it minutely here and there until you don’t need to settle down or move anymore. After that don’t even move an inch.
The end result of relaxing without moving like this is eventually to achieve a mild sensation of floating, or of the body having slightly expanded in some way. At this point the hands will possibly sometimes feel kind of puffy or enlarged. Other times it’s as though one can no longer tell the exact proportion or size of bodily areas you happen to focus on.
Once you’ve reached this floating feeling of relaxation, the next step is to absolutely and deliberately turn your attention completely 'away' from all and any sensations of the body altogether, totally ignoring them. Having served their purpose they are no longer important. Peer instead at the blank dark screen you can see just behind your closed eyes. Don’t move
at all and hang on to that feeling of lightness or floating and stare at the darkness that’s right there in front of your face until you begin to notice the odd blob or streak of colour appearing and disappearing at random. Your body may feel a little strange at this point but just totally ignore it (or any other sensations) by deliberately placing and holding your full attention ‘only’ on what your eyes can see.
At this point, consciously adjust your focus so it’s as though you are looking at an area about ten to fifteen inches away from your face. Keep your eyes closed and let any blobs and splashes of colour come and go as they please. Don’t attempt to control these effects in any way, just keep watching for them by staring straight ahead until you perhaps notice the appearance of an image of some kind. This is the next stage.
The following images can be rather faint and fleeting (fast), not really giving you the time to focus on them properly, but that’s okay, don’t worry about it, just let them come and go as they please and wait for the next one to appear. Having already made yourself relax you shouldn’t be thinking about your body or your breathing at all by having deliberately forced your attention away from them onto only what your closed eyes can see. Don’t try to do anything other than watch those images come and go, the same way as those blobs and streaks of colour did, especially since at this point you are nearly ready to attempt entering into a dreaming state.
Check out this wild Nascar crash.
https://youtu.be/pbdiddLtDg4?t=320
the other night/morning my daughter was on her
way to work on the freeway and her little Mazda
hydro-planed. she did a 360 and ended up in
the center divider. total loss on her car.
so what kind of car do you want this time AJ Foyt?
she didn't hit anyone else, 6 cop cars came and
bailed her out. Nice to have friends in the business.
### - just found this posted in ref. to 'The WILD Way' in another group on fb, by a nice young lady who's only just joined our WILDs & WILDing group, and with spectacular results! :)
Mia: I've had a wonderful success with this method and can't sing its
praises high enough. 11 wilds now in only 3 weeks or thereabouts from only ever reading about lucid dreaming before. If someone hadn't recommended
this book to me I would probably be still wondering what the heck is going on, as I was having some weird experiences on going to bed and didn't
realise what it was.
This book not only cleared that all up, but has also opened up a whole new world of being to me just like that! Plus I've never felt so good in
myself either? I feel really healthy and there's a spring in my step that just wasn't there before! I 'love' this experience and can't recommend it enough. xx
***
so you see chris, they 'can' get it! - and love it!
where they 'go' with it all, however, might just be another matter
altogether haha :)
(oooh look! i've learned to lucid dream with my head up my ass again!)
wouldn't surprise me in the least hehehe :)
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