• the Dark Night of the Soul (wooo...)

    From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 01:44:55
    From: slider@anashram.com

    Eckhart Tolle on the Dark Night of the Soul

    The “dark night of the soul” is a term that goes back a long time. Yes, I have also experienced it. It is a term used to describe what one could
    call a collapse of a perceived meaning in life…an eruption into your life
    of a deep sense of meaninglessness. The inner state in some cases is very close to what is conventionally called depression. Nothing makes sense anymore, there’s no purpose to anything. Sometimes it’s triggered by some external event, some disaster perhaps, on an external level. The death of someone close to you could trigger it, especially premature death, for
    example if your child dies. Or you had built up your life, and given it meaning – and the meaning that you had given your life, your activities,
    your achievements, where you are going, what is considered important, and
    the meaning that you had given your life for some reason collapses.

    It can happen if something happens that you can’t explain away anymore,
    some disaster which seems to invalidate the meaning that your life had
    before. Really what has collapsed then is the whole conceptual framework
    for your life, the meaning that your mind had given it. So that results
    in a dark place. But people have gone into that, and then there is the possibility that you emerge out of that into a transformed state of consciousness. Life has meaning again, but it’s no longer a conceptual meaning that you can necessarily explain. Quite often it’s from there
    that people awaken out of their conceptual sense of reality, which has collapsed.

    They awaken into something deeper, which is no longer based on concepts in
    your mind. A deeper sense of purpose or connectedness with a greater life
    that is not dependent on explanations or anything conceptual any longer.
    It’s a kind of re-birth. The dark night of the soul is a kind of death
    that you die. What dies is the egoic sense of self. Of course, death is always painful, but nothing real has actually died there – only an
    illusory identity. Now it is probably the case that some people who’ve
    gone through this transformation realized that they had to go through
    that, in order to bring about a spiritual awakening. Often it is part of
    the awakening process, the death of the old self and the birth of the true self.

    The first lesson in A Course in Miracles says “Nothing I see in this room means anything”, and you’re supposed to look around the room at whatever you happen to be looking at, and you say “this doesn’t mean anything”, “that doesn’t mean anything”. What is the purpose of a lesson like that? It’s a little bit like re-creating what can happen during the dark night of the soul. It’s the collapse of a mind-made meaning, conceptual meaning, of life… believing that you understand “what it’s all about”. With A Course in Miracles, it’s a voluntary relinquishment of the human mind-made meaning that is projected, and you go voluntary into saying “I don’t know what this means”, “this doesn’t mean anything”. You wipe the
    board clean. In the dark night of the soul it collapses.

    You are meant to arrive at a place of conceptual meaninglessness. Or one
    could say a state of ignorance – where things lose the meaning that you
    had given them, which was all conditioned and cultural and so on. Then
    you can look upon the world without imposing a mind-made framework of
    meaning. It looks of course as if you no longer understand anything.
    That’s why it’s so scary when it happens to you, instead of you actually consciously embracing it. It can bring about the dark night of the soul –
    to go around the Universe without any longer interpreting it compulsively,
    as an innocent presence. You look upon events, people, and so on with a
    deep sense of aliveness. Your sense the aliveness through your own sense
    of aliveness, but you are not trying to fit your experience into a
    conceptual framework anymore.

    ***

    ### - heh, when all the 'conceptual-meaning' has gone out of everything
    (like Sartre graphically describes onetime while sitting in some local
    park) descriptions per se become redundant... except perhaps in an attempt
    to maybe describe something to someone else still living 'in' that world...

    although perforce it wont be quite the normal description one might
    otherwise more usually expect, and may indeed appear more like a metaphor
    or even a parable.... a lack of access to those defining terms and the confining rules that accompany them, more often resulting in the person attempting that description/explanation (or whatever) possibly sounding
    like they're almost speaking another language altogether, even though the
    terms employed are still completely familiar albeit maybe kinda
    poetic-sounding in nature, or in extreme cases possibly even totally
    deranged! (have actually met a few peeps like that haha; everyone thought
    (and still thinks) they're nuts...)

    to 'lose' that ability to 'conceptualise' a world and relate to it
    accordingly (i.e., exclusively), ultimately freeing a person from the
    burden of living in a manufactured lie, while at the same time effectively barring them from ever rejoining that somewhat rather exclusive club...

    thus a true outsider is born and comes into the world, or rather: departs
    from a fake/imagined one and enters into the actual/real one ;)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 06:35:20
    From: slider@anashram.com

    so young grasshopper i ask you (and everyone else here)
    just what the fuck are we all doing here on this planet?

    i don't expect you to have the answer or an answer.
    i just want you to be aware of it.

    I'll probably never know either but at least i want to
    go on record for at least considering it. what else
    can a poor boy do?

    ### - that's a very 'human-only' question?

    meaning: can ya hear 'any' other species besides us asking anything like
    that?? :)

    personally, i don't think there IS an answer to such a question...

    at least not a rational one!

    doesn't exist!

    might as well ask why is flying in dreaming so usual/normal?

    we just so happen to be here is all...

    NO 'reason' to (or for) it except the one's we've made up ourselves
    because 'reason' is what 'we' like and prefer to relate to, so we 'expect' there to BE answers & reasons!

    whereas, in a non-conceptualised universe, everything just... is :)

    'accepting' that's the situation, however, is another matter altogether

    we 'want' there to be... reasons... for everything!

    and there's just ain't :)

    i.e., when sartre was sitting in his park 'tripping' the question of
    'origin' didn't even arise! everything was too 'in-the-moment' to even
    consider 'thinking' of such a thing... in fact he'd ceased to reason (and
    thus think) altogether, and was now perceiving without it...

    no 'reason' = no questions!

    = just an overpowering sense of an ever-present... 'Now'

    :)

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  • From fuckowski@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, June 26, 2018 20:38:36
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    so young grasshopper i ask you (and everyone else here)
    just what the fuck are we all doing here on this planet?

    i don't expect you to have the answer or an answer.
    i just want you to be aware of it.

    I'll probably never know either but at least i want to
    go on record for at least considering it. what else
    can a poor boy do?

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  • From fuckowski@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 09:04:39
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    At least, not outside...
    Imagination and Our World of Make-Believe:
    How Adults Play Together In Their Make-Believe Realities :)

    http://tinyurl.com/y9w3p68x


    ha ha the plug of the century.
    step right up folks get it here.
    ok ok i'll order the fucker.
    I better not be disappointed again.

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to fuckowski on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 08:10:40
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 8:38:37 PM UTC-7, fuckowski wrote:
    so young grasshopper i ask you (and everyone else here)
    just what the fuck are we all doing here on this planet?

    What are the grasshoppers doing here?
    How about the jellyfish. What are they doing here?
    Viruses?

    etc.

    Slider seldom gets anything right, but he actually put his finger
    right on one of the key issues here - at least, as soon as we get
    beyond the Eckhart Tolle (which takes about 2 seconds).

    Yeah, I know you guys are all egoless and enlightened and shit.
    LOL. I.e. you're so not, not any more than Sartre or Tolle or
    anyone else has been.

    At least, not outside...
    Imagination and Our World of Make-Believe:
    How Adults Play Together In Their Make-Believe Realities :)

    http://tinyurl.com/y9w3p68x

    .

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  • From fuckowski@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 07:52:32
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    ### - that's a very 'human-only' question?

    i guess it is but we just don't what the others
    (species) are doing now do we ?

    She said, 'There is no reason'
    And the truth is plain to see
    But I wandered through my playing cards
    And would not let her be
    One of sixteen vestal virgins

    this is what i thought when you wrote your response.
    THE truth is plain to see, maybe too plain. ha ha

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 18:00:10
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Wed, 27 Jun 2018 16:10:40 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 8:38:37 PM UTC-7, fuckowski wrote:
    so young grasshopper i ask you (and everyone else here)
    just what the fuck are we all doing here on this planet?

    What are the grasshoppers doing here?
    How about the jellyfish. What are they doing here?
    Viruses?

    etc.

    Slider seldom gets anything right, but he actually put his finger
    right on one of the key issues here - at least, as soon as we get
    beyond the Eckhart Tolle (which takes about 2 seconds).

    Yeah, I know you guys are all egoless and enlightened and shit.
    LOL. I.e. you're so not, not any more than Sartre or Tolle or
    anyone else has been.

    ### - heh you liked sartres' story 'The Wall' didn't you?? :)

    well that was written based on the realisations am talking about, that he experienced himself and that i directly referred to; the story of one man losing everything/having everything stripped-away all in one night while
    being (and because of being) forced to face his inescapable mortality in
    the morning...

    'call' it what you will (did anyone even mention 'enlightenment except
    you??) it IS still possible to lose that rational side of us and perceive accordingly/differently...

    unfortunately, for you, you 'cling' so tightly to your own ego, that
    you're unlikely to ever experience anything like that yourself; vinny experienced it and is moved to report on it (took a trip up his own
    thunder mountain didn't hehehe, cool... something even 'you' were unable
    to stop him from doing, even though you tried) so it's kinda laughable
    really that you should then cite his report in favour of your own argument
    when it actually (IF you'd understood it correctly that is heh)
    contradicts your whole pov AND argument to boot lol (it's a bit like you quoting sartres' story in the park as supporting your pov lol: ridiculous!)

    truth is, many peeps lose their rational sides altogether, often
    disastrously, but in a few cases they don't also lose their underpinnings
    and, as such, are still able to function highly albeit very differently to normal... in my experience, those who manage to continue functioning
    usually had some kinda intellectual training in some field or another, and
    as such are still able to apply it to some degree, it's the ones without
    any developed intellect that tend to lose it altogether and thus appear to
    turn into grinning idiots heh... and i think you'd be one of them hahaha ;)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 18:11:01
    From: slider@anashram.com

    ### - that's a very 'human-only' question?

    i guess it is but we just don't what the others
    (species) are doing now do we ?

    ### - do we even look to see what they're doing?

    they're not hiding anything ya know heh, they don't know anything about
    lying :)



    She said, 'There is no reason'
    And the truth is plain to see
    But I wandered through my playing cards
    And would not let her be
    One of sixteen vestal virgins

    this is what i thought when you wrote your response.
    THE truth is plain to see, maybe too plain. ha ha

    ### - if you can accept the premise that humanity has gone-off into it's
    very 'own' multifaceted version of everything: a strictly conceptualised version of reality) and is indulging in it's very 'own' interpretation
    which they themselves have superimposed upon the backdrop of an underlying reality that mankind no longer perceives except only in its very own
    limited + rationalised terms, then it's not so difficult to accept that we
    can maybe also get some of that awareness back that all the rest of nature apparently shares but which humanity deliberately ignores in favour of all
    it's 'own' ideas...

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 21:51:25
    From: slider@anashram.com

    At least, not outside...
    Imagination and Our World of Make-Believe:
    How Adults Play Together In Their Make-Believe Realities :)

    http://tinyurl.com/y9w3p68x


    ha ha the plug of the century.
    step right up folks get it here.
    ok ok i'll order the fucker.
    I better not be disappointed again.

    ### - is that 'link' plus or minus jeremy's amazon% commission, of just vinny's?

    heh :P

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  • From fuckowski@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 13:42:24
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    i can accept. yes i can.
    but can the rest of the peckerheads ??

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 21:57:44
    From: slider@anashram.com

    i can accept. yes i can.
    but can the rest of the peckerheads ??

    ### - they can! indeed they can!

    but first they gotta stretch their wings a bit and begin to see/experience
    the world in a deeper (less superficial) manner than usual? and because as
    it is, they have absolutely nada to compare their current perception (of
    the world) to?

    and there's only one way (currently anyway) that can do that for 'em!

    yes, you've guessed it hehehe...

    and it's kinda... WILD ;)

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to slider on Thursday, June 28, 2018 09:58:17
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Wednesday, June 27, 2018 at 10:00:11 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Jun 2018 16:10:40 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 8:38:37 PM UTC-7, fuckowski wrote:
    so young grasshopper i ask you (and everyone else here)
    just what the fuck are we all doing here on this planet?

    What are the grasshoppers doing here?
    How about the jellyfish. What are they doing here?
    Viruses?

    etc.

    Slider seldom gets anything right, but he actually put his finger
    right on one of the key issues here - at least, as soon as we get
    beyond the Eckhart Tolle (which takes about 2 seconds).

    Yeah, I know you guys are all egoless and enlightened and shit.
    LOL. I.e. you're so not, not any more than Sartre or Tolle or
    anyone else has been.

    ### - heh you liked sartres' story 'The Wall' didn't you?? :)

    well that was written based on the realisations am talking about, that he experienced himself and that i directly referred to; the story of one man losing everything/having everything stripped-away all in one night while being (and because of being) forced to face his inescapable mortality in
    the morning...

    'call' it what you will (did anyone even mention 'enlightenment except
    you??) it IS still possible to lose that rational side of us and perceive accordingly/differently...

    unfortunately, for you, you 'cling' so tightly to your own ego, that
    you're unlikely to ever experience anything like that yourself; vinny experienced it and is moved to report on it (took a trip up his own
    thunder mountain didn't hehehe, cool... something even 'you' were unable
    to stop him from doing, even though you tried) so it's kinda laughable
    really that you should then cite his report in favour of your own argument when it actually (IF you'd understood it correctly that is heh)
    contradicts your whole pov AND argument to boot lol (it's a bit like you quoting sartres' story in the park as supporting your pov lol: ridiculous!)

    truth is, many peeps lose their rational sides altogether, often disastrously, but in a few cases they don't also lose their underpinnings and, as such, are still able to function highly albeit very differently to normal... in my experience, those who manage to continue functioning
    usually had some kinda intellectual training in some field or another, and
    as such are still able to apply it to some degree, it's the ones without
    any developed intellect that tend to lose it altogether and thus appear to turn into grinning idiots heh... and i think you'd be one of them hahaha ;)

    Mr. Egoless writes another irrational attack post. :)
    Everyday 'selflessly' assisting 4 or 5 other people to arrive
    at 'profound' states of 'conceptual meaninglessness'.
    What a valuable service, albeit a terribly ironic one.

    .

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, June 28, 2018 18:34:56
    From: slider@anashram.com

    Mr. Egoless writes another irrational attack post. :)

    ### - lol it was YOU who was doing the 'attacking' heh..

    moi? am only parrying the blows of a grinning idiot haha :D



    Everyday 'selflessly' assisting 4 or 5 other people to arrive
    at 'profound' states of 'conceptual meaninglessness'.
    What a valuable service, albeit a terribly ironic one.

    ### - not something you'll ever personally understand nor experience

    mainly due to the fact that you carry your 'self-importance' around as
    though afraid of breaking it!

    so don't worry about it, it doesn't at all concern you :D

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:11:53
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    More of the same. It's all so egoless! :)

    Always defending or promoting imaginary crap too.
    Read the book. "Imagination and Our World of Make-Believe" http://tinyurl.com/yceyf6zh

    Also, notice what it says below it:
    "4 New from $12.73"
    (it doesn't say any of the copies were 'used', so that was
    another minor attempt at deception on your part, Slider)

    .

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Thursday, June 28, 2018 23:47:19
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 22:43:25 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 1:02:19 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    Also, notice what it says below it:
    "4 New from $12.73"

    (it doesn't say any of the copies were 'used', so that was
    another minor attempt at deception on your part, Slider)

    ### - slight anticipatory error only + you're a moron who'd rather look
    for reasons to bitch/troll rather than getting down to what am going-on
    about, and who accordingly + quite obviously *doesn't* have vinny's best
    interests at heart??

    LOL folks! i just betcha that it was 'you' who helped him to select the
    extended channels and enrollment in knp as being a food idea huh? huh?
    am
    i right? - why else make such a fuss unless it somehow puts 'you' in a
    bad
    light?? - cracking up hahaha, plus talk about poetic justice roflmao!
    squirm you pig in your own shite! hahaha!)

    Just another example of your endless idiocy and egomania.
    I had no input on it. I didn't even realize it was an option.


    but if you don't tell him... i certainly will?

    that it's ok for amazon's own online bookshops to compete with vinny's
    offer by 'undercutting' his price, and then paying him only 35% instead
    of
    70% via his extended channels distribution network because peeps bought
    from them instead of from him?? amazon, and their so-called affiliates
    (so-called because wouldn't be surprised if they actually owned some of
    'em too) splitting the 35% share??

    I merely note that Vini made that decision himself. My first
    thought upon seeing your post was just to forward it to him,
    in case he wasn't already aware of all this.

    ### - well at least you did 'that' hah! :)

    the 'rest' is you just merely resorting to trolling because ya ain't gots anything else besides 'trump' on your plate to winge & whine about like a
    baby lol (trump did this & trump did that?)



    I can tell you one thing. He talked more than once about being fine
    with giving away free copies of this book and made it clear that
    his main concern was just getting it out there, rather than making
    a lot of profit from it. So there's that to consider.

    ### - no problem giving them away free when ya 'know' you're giving them
    away + it's your 'choice' to do so... (they do provide an 'honest' means
    to give stuff away as all authors do, promotionally...)




    have worked with amazom for just over 2 years and know what am talking
    about bozo...

    plus have no reason to mislead vinny, whom i like :)

    Yeah, you're "Vini's best friend" now. Just as you're Chris's. :)

    ### - i actually gots on very well with vinny 'after' we'd cleared up all
    the shite 'you'd' been throwing about hah! apologised to me he did, and,
    even offered to let me rejoin his music server thingy as a gesture... and declined 'only' because i suspected you were quite possibly gonna use that
    to attempt to hack people's computers heh... although i didn't tell him
    that at the time




    so then, wanna see some 'magic'? (woooo...)

    nothing up my sleeves hehehe, but any day now on vinny's amazon page
    (and
    unless he changes his settings with amazon 'as' suggested) there'll be
    used copies available that haven't even been fuckin' printed yet!

    now how did i know that??

    woooooo :)

    Above, I merely noted how you were initially deceptive about the
    'used' part of it. Because you were. Yet it may well be as you say.
    I don't think Vini cares much, but there's no harm in making it clear.

    ### - it's not deceptive if it's correct, plus is rather presumptuous of
    you to suggest so without at least first inquiring what was meant by it in
    the context it was said/placed?

    but then that's you all-over innit: mr presumptuous! (never checks things
    out properly and that's why he always gots into so much trouble) :)

    you're obsessed with proving me wrong innit haha! just like you are with
    old trumpy lol...

    a total 'lack' of imagination to do anything else iow: heh!

    ***

    here's a 'worthy' challenge for ya if you sooo keen on setting the world
    to rights from villains & tricksters? go confront amazon with their shit?
    i was too scared to do it myself (heh) plus, after several exchanges with
    them, and then realising what they's actually all about, i decided to drop
    it instead of risking treading on the tail of a tiger, as their bs
    programs are, and remain, optional...

    although that's not how 'they' sell it to ya's hah! - earn 'more' they
    say??
    ,
    riiiight... for them! (it's a pure con! involving 1000's upon 1000's of authors! a global ripoff!)

    me? i considered myself to be in a difficult situation as amazon 'were' actually helping me in so many other ways to get out there? why make
    trouble? plus who knows what power/influence they may or may not have in getting someone blacklisted/blackballed if ya pissed them off...

    nah, being 'optional' clinched it for moi... but what about all those
    other poor slobs unwittingly hacking their lives away just to feed amazon another 35% of their own royalties??

    it's all wrong ya know, and because they must be literally raking it in,
    both in their kdp programs AND their affiliates... AT authors express
    expense!

    but who'd ever be big enough to call them out on it, to stop 'em? - you?

    heh, 'did' actually consider the publicity it 'could' potentially bring if
    it all came out was was proven to BE a con/fraud... lol ya couldn't 'buy'
    such publicity no? - not to mention the compensation to millions of
    authors they might have to pay back and the stink that would raise?

    might though have sold millions of books in the process eh? millions!

    more importantly: all those peeps who might have read it so soon rather
    than later??

    but well, you know... i ain't exactly a rabble-rouser :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, June 28, 2018 21:02:17
    From: slider@anashram.org

    Also, notice what it says below it:
    "4 New from $12.73"

    (it doesn't say any of the copies were 'used', so that was
    another minor attempt at deception on your part, Slider)

    ### - slight anticipatory error only + you're a moron who'd rather look
    for reasons to bitch/troll rather than getting down to what am going-on
    about, and who accordingly + quite obviously *doesn't* have vinny's best interests at heart??

    LOL folks! i just betcha that it was 'you' who helped him to select the extended channels and enrollment in knp as being a food idea huh? huh? am
    i right? - why else make such a fuss unless it somehow puts 'you' in a bad light?? - cracking up hahaha, plus talk about poetic justice roflmao!
    squirm you pig in your own shite! hahaha!)

    but if you don't tell him... i certainly will?

    that it's ok for amazon's own online bookshops to compete with vinny's
    offer by 'undercutting' his price, and then paying him only 35% instead of
    70% via his extended channels distribution network because peeps bought
    from them instead of from him?? amazon, and their so-called affiliates (so-called because wouldn't be surprised if they actually owned some of
    'em too) splitting the 35% share??

    have worked with amazom for just over 2 years and know what am talking
    about bozo...

    plus have no reason to mislead vinny, whom i like :)

    so then, wanna see some 'magic'? (woooo...)

    nothing up my sleeves hehehe, but any day now on vinny's amazon page (and unless he changes his settings with amazon 'as' suggested) there'll be
    used copies available that haven't even been fuckin' printed yet!

    now how did i know that??

    woooooo :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, June 29, 2018 00:14:50
    From: slider@anashram.com

    ### - hang on a minute, it 'does' actually say 'used'??

    More Buying Choices
    $12.73(4 used & new offers)

    please remind me to NEVER take your word for 'anything' EVER again???

    fuckin' hell!

    LOL :D :D :D

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to slider on Thursday, June 28, 2018 14:43:25
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 1:02:19 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    Also, notice what it says below it:
    "4 New from $12.73"

    (it doesn't say any of the copies were 'used', so that was
    another minor attempt at deception on your part, Slider)

    ### - slight anticipatory error only + you're a moron who'd rather look
    for reasons to bitch/troll rather than getting down to what am going-on about, and who accordingly + quite obviously *doesn't* have vinny's best interests at heart??

    LOL folks! i just betcha that it was 'you' who helped him to select the extended channels and enrollment in knp as being a food idea huh? huh? am
    i right? - why else make such a fuss unless it somehow puts 'you' in a bad light?? - cracking up hahaha, plus talk about poetic justice roflmao!
    squirm you pig in your own shite! hahaha!)

    Just another example of your endless idiocy and egomania.
    I had no input on it. I didn't even realize it was an option.


    but if you don't tell him... i certainly will?

    that it's ok for amazon's own online bookshops to compete with vinny's
    offer by 'undercutting' his price, and then paying him only 35% instead of 70% via his extended channels distribution network because peeps bought
    from them instead of from him?? amazon, and their so-called affiliates (so-called because wouldn't be surprised if they actually owned some of
    'em too) splitting the 35% share??

    I merely note that Vini made that decision himself. My first
    thought upon seeing your post was just to forward it to him,
    in case he wasn't already aware of all this.

    I can tell you one thing. He talked more than once about being fine
    with giving away free copies of this book and made it clear that
    his main concern was just getting it out there, rather than making
    a lot of profit from it. So there's that to consider.


    have worked with amazom for just over 2 years and know what am talking
    about bozo...

    plus have no reason to mislead vinny, whom i like :)

    Yeah, you're "Vini's best friend" now. Just as you're Chris's. :)


    so then, wanna see some 'magic'? (woooo...)

    nothing up my sleeves hehehe, but any day now on vinny's amazon page (and unless he changes his settings with amazon 'as' suggested) there'll be
    used copies available that haven't even been fuckin' printed yet!

    now how did i know that??

    woooooo :)

    Above, I merely noted how you were initially deceptive about the
    'used' part of it. Because you were. Yet it may well be as you say.
    I don't think Vini cares much, but there's no harm in making it clear.

    .

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, June 29, 2018 18:51:03
    From: slider@anashram.com

    our resident fake news expert wrotes... :)

    On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 4:14:52 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    ### - hang on a minute, it 'does' actually say 'used'??

    More Buying Choices
    $12.73(4 used & new offers)

    please remind me to NEVER take your word for 'anything' EVER again???

    fuckin' hell!

    LOL :D :D :D

    I've checked this on three different devices: a Kindle,
    an Android phone, and a Windows PC. After you actually click INTO
    the individual book item itself it says exactly what I said it does:

    "Paperback
    $12.95
    4 New from $12.73"

    And if you then click further INTO those 4 offers, you see that all
    of the offers are indeed for 'New'. This is true on all three devices.

    You're probably being fooled because you're only looking at the
    "generic" message that Amazon provides BEFORE one clicks into any
    actual specific item. So, as usual, the error was your own.

    ### - it's only just started, and, if 'left' that way, in another couple
    of weeks there'll be used and new offers even in the listings for sellers themselves, you'll see...

    none of which detracts at all from a new & used offering on amazon's front fuckin' page!

    basically, you saw exactly what i was talking about immediately! but for
    some weird fucked-up reason known only to you; 'chose' to notice that
    inside it only says 'new' and then deliberately USED that to suggest i was
    was being deceptive in some manner altogether?? (lol wtf! + how convoluted)

    i mean, that's pretty fucked up jeremy even for you!? you painted it that
    i was completely in
    error! was being deceptive? saw what i meant and having found no repeat of
    that further-in, chose to suggest that it wasn't correct at all??

    iow: you lied! quite deceptively hah! and misled others about it to the
    point of contradicting moi
    altogether!?

    you didn't 'need' to do that because it was obvious there was indeed 'something' to what i was saying/suggesting, yet quite deliberately seized
    on a trivial point (+ are you sure you even clicked 'all' offers and not
    just the new ones inside? they offer several combinations ya know! duh)
    just in order to make me out to be wrong in some way? is it really THAT important to you?? (really weird stuff maan lol, the mind boggles hah!)

    i suppose in some ways it's quite gratifying that you're now 'forced' to actually 'lie' + 'invent' shit in order to find something wrong with your
    truly hehehe (jus' can't let it go can ya lol, only question being: who's actually got whom on a string here? heh;) - and 'then' you have the damned 'cheek' to lecture about ethics like you actually have any??? (you're
    actually 'the' most 'unethical' person have ever met if the way you've
    treated other people on here is anything to go by; literally dozens of
    examples of your brutality-shit towards others! completely 'unethical' behaviour even by your OWN recent but alas quite temporary definition!
    hah...)

    that you would actually + genuinely: 'stoop' sooo... LOW??

    lol i almost feel sorry for ya heh, but can't :)






    ***

    Further trophies from Mr. Egoless:

    "is that 'link' plus or minus jeremy's amazon% commission,
    of [sic] just vinny's?"

    I receive no commissions.

    " i just betcha that it was 'you' who helped him to select the
    extended channels and enrollment in knp as being a food idea huh?
    huh? am i right? - why else make such a fuss unless it somehow
    puts 'you' in a bad light?? - cracking up hahaha, plus talk about
    poetic justice roflmao! squirm you pig in your own shite! hahaha!"

    I had no input on the matter.

    Merely observe once again how Mr. Egoless shows the profound
    nature of his having undergone... "the dark night of the soul". :)

    ### - hahaha am merely taking the 'piss' jeremy! LOL... :D

    you're such an easy target!?

    plus now you've quite deliberately 'LIED' and openly 'MISLED' people, who
    the fuck is EVER gonna take another word you say seriously ever again?? certainly not moi buster! :)

    you 'deliberately' lied/misconstrued!

    and you didn't even need to hehehe...

    plus, no 'doubt' your trumpy reports all gets the very same treatment huh?

    a spin-doctor! riiiiiiiiiiiiight.......

    methinks that loose screw of yours is finally workin' it way loose
    altogether dave :D

    you're really quite mad you know!

    and the 'grinning idiot' you, can't be that far off now eh?

    and because the only bit currently missing to complete that, is the
    'grinning' bit! :)

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to slider on Friday, June 29, 2018 09:58:04
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 4:14:52 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    ### - hang on a minute, it 'does' actually say 'used'??

    More Buying Choices
    $12.73(4 used & new offers)

    please remind me to NEVER take your word for 'anything' EVER again???

    fuckin' hell!

    LOL :D :D :D

    I've checked this on three different devices: a Kindle,
    an Android phone, and a Windows PC. After you actually click INTO
    the individual book item itself it says exactly what I said it does:

    "Paperback
    $12.95
    4 New from $12.73"

    And if you then click further INTO those 4 offers, you see that all
    of the offers are indeed for 'New'. This is true on all three devices.

    You're probably being fooled because you're only looking at the
    "generic" message that Amazon provides BEFORE one clicks into any
    actual specific item. So, as usual, the error was your own.

    ***

    Further trophies from Mr. Egoless:

    "is that 'link' plus or minus jeremy's amazon% commission,
    of [sic] just vinny's?"

    I receive no commissions.

    " i just betcha that it was 'you' who helped him to select the
    extended channels and enrollment in knp as being a food idea huh?
    huh? am i right? - why else make such a fuss unless it somehow
    puts 'you' in a bad light?? - cracking up hahaha, plus talk about
    poetic justice roflmao! squirm you pig in your own shite! hahaha!"

    I had no input on the matter.

    Merely observe once again how Mr. Egoless shows the profound
    nature of his having undergone... "the dark night of the soul". :)

    .

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Friday, June 29, 2018 11:36:41
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    Hmm. I wonder if a "dark night of the soul" most often comes from...
    having extended an interaction with Slider or anyone like him?
    You know, I think that may be closer to being right.
    Fortunately, it has little effect on me. :)

    .

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Friday, June 29, 2018 19:56:02
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 19:36:41 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hmm. I wonder if a "dark night of the soul" most often comes from...
    having extended an interaction with Slider or anyone like him?
    You know, I think that may be closer to being right.
    Fortunately, it has little effect on me. :)

    ### - hehehe very LITTLE has any effect on you! (there's 'dense' material involved haha:)

    plus you're sooo far up your own ego that nothing else matters to ya
    anymore?

    including even the truth apparently!

    can ya still even tell the difference anymore?

    and 'coz fake news has become your reality :)

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Friday, June 29, 2018 12:03:03
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    You're just incapable of really touching me, that's all.

    .

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Friday, June 29, 2018 20:08:55
    From: slider@anashram.org

    On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 20:03:03 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    You're just incapable of really touching me, that's all.

    ### - who'd wanna touch you? gay much??

    (ewww/shudder lol) :P

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to thangolossus@gmail.com on Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:26:29
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Thu, 05 Jul 2018 02:16:20 +0100, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 27 Jun 2018 01:44:55 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    Eckhart Tolle on the Dark Night of the Soul

    The “dark night of the soul” is a term that goes back a long time.
    Yes, I
    have also experienced it. It is a term used to describe what one could
    call a collapse of a perceived meaning in life…an eruption into your
    life
    of a deep sense of meaninglessness. The inner state in some cases is
    very
    close to what is conventionally called depression. Nothing makes sense
    anymore, there’s no purpose to anything. Sometimes it’s triggered by
    some
    external event, some disaster perhaps, on an external level. The death
    of
    someone close to you could trigger it, especially premature death, for
    example if your child dies. Or you had built up your life, and given it
    meaning – and the meaning that you had given your life, your activities, >> your achievements, where you are going, what is considered important,
    and
    the meaning that you had given your life for some reason collapses.

    What is this stupid quest for "meaning" that these dime a dozen street
    corner philosophers like Tolle talk about? Fuck meaning. There is no
    god, no afterlife, no reason and no sense. That, folks, is the
    meaning of life :)

    We are all just surviving. A hundred years ago there was no such
    thing as 'clinical depression" - we were all busy trying to survive.

    This is all bullshit Slider. Move on.

    ### - wasn't lauding tolle particularly, only what he was saying here in
    ref. to Reality Vs. a conceptualised version thereof, and the subsequent collapsing 'of' that 'man-made invented' version during a period more
    often poetically referred to as being 'the dark night of the soul'

    (i.e., like media news; i don't care particularly 'who' says it or 'where'
    it comes from at the time, only that it was said/stated... in many
    instances completely inadvertently as in adverts on the tv for cars
    stating that it's 'quality that matters not quantity', wherein they quite
    often hit the nail right on the head (about life) albeit they're actually talking about something else entirely...)

    when it comes to 'meaning' i don't think there is one! so people are rather/ultimately only seeking a 'connection' to everything that they've
    lost, and/or intuit that's there but which they can't connect to,
    something that's just outta reach...

    something you yourself once described as being the case? (you know/feel
    there's something more there that you haven't been able to touch/reach
    etc, quite a common feeling...)

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, July 05, 2018 09:16:20
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Wed, 27 Jun 2018 01:44:55 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    Eckhart Tolle on the Dark Night of the Soul

    The “dark night of the soul” is a term that goes back a long time. Yes, I >have also experienced it. It is a term used to describe what one could
    call a collapse of a perceived meaning in life…an eruption into your life >of a deep sense of meaninglessness. The inner state in some cases is very >close to what is conventionally called depression. Nothing makes sense >anymore, there’s no purpose to anything. Sometimes it’s triggered by some >external event, some disaster perhaps, on an external level. The death of >someone close to you could trigger it, especially premature death, for >example if your child dies. Or you had built up your life, and given it >meaning – and the meaning that you had given your life, your activities, >your achievements, where you are going, what is considered important, and
    the meaning that you had given your life for some reason collapses.

    What is this stupid quest for "meaning" that these dime a dozen street
    corner philosophers like Tolle talk about? Fuck meaning. There is no
    god, no afterlife, no reason and no sense. That, folks, is the
    meaning of life :)

    We are all just surviving. A hundred years ago there was no such
    thing as 'clinical depression" - we were all busy trying to survive.

    This is all bullshit Slider. Move on.


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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Monday, July 16, 2018 13:50:41
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 20:08:55 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.org>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 20:03:03 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan ><david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    You're just incapable of really touching me, that's all.

    ### - who'd wanna touch you? gay much??

    (ewww/shudder lol) :P

    lol

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to thangolossus@gmail.com on Tuesday, July 17, 2018 09:52:23
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 06:50:41 +0100, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 20:08:55 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.org>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 20:03:03 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
    <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    You're just incapable of really touching me, that's all.

    ### - who'd wanna touch you? gay much??

    (ewww/shudder lol) :P

    lol

    ### - it means i 'did' touch him and he doesn't like it!

    plus i think he's maybe now tryin' to write a book of his own?

    riiiight... :)

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to fuckowski on Tuesday, July 17, 2018 15:15:05
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 11:38:37 PM UTC-4, fuckowski wrote:
    so young grasshopper i ask you (and everyone else here)
    just what the fuck are we all doing here on this planet?

    i don't expect you to have the answer or an answer.
    i just want you to be aware of it.

    I'll probably never know either but at least i want to
    go on record for at least considering it. what else
    can a poor boy do?

    We are in the past.
    Each identity was copied and recreated approx 500K
    A one celled organism expanded to a many celled organism.
    Everyone here is now the editor of many futures if they survive.
    God's sweet vengeance. Force them to be their own God's and watch.

    A simple elegant solution.
    I AM at peace secure and abundant, impossible to kill without 500k votes. Everyone equal to God in freedoms and responsibility future tied to past. Promoting everyone, watch the battles between pasts, presents and futures.

    Bittersweet Symphony
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lyu1KKwC74

    I'm a lawyer in one future.
    A judge in another, a defendant in one, a prosecutor in another.
    Another day in an ever evolving infinite eternal cosmos generating waves.

    I'm a loser.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgSPaXgAdzE

    "Getting crazy with the cheese whiz."

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to intraphase@gmail.com on Wednesday, July 18, 2018 09:32:02
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 15:15:05 -0700 (PDT), LowRider44M
    <intraphase@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 11:38:37 PM UTC-4, fuckowski wrote:
    so young grasshopper i ask you (and everyone else here)
    just what the fuck are we all doing here on this planet?

    i don't expect you to have the answer or an answer.
    i just want you to be aware of it.

    I'll probably never know either but at least i want to
    go on record for at least considering it. what else
    can a poor boy do?

    We are in the past.
    Each identity was copied and recreated approx 500K
    A one celled organism expanded to a many celled organism.
    Everyone here is now the editor of many futures if they survive.
    God's sweet vengeance. Force them to be their own God's and watch.

    A simple elegant solution.
    I AM at peace secure and abundant, impossible to kill without 500k votes. >Everyone equal to God in freedoms and responsibility future tied to past. >Promoting everyone, watch the battles between pasts, presents and futures.

    Bittersweet Symphony
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lyu1KKwC74

    I'm a lawyer in one future.
    A judge in another, a defendant in one, a prosecutor in another.
    Another day in an ever evolving infinite eternal cosmos generating waves.

    I'm a loser.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgSPaXgAdzE

    "Getting crazy with the cheese whiz."

    You strike me as someone who has cognitive issues - perhaps
    schizophrenia?. Your thoughts are very disordered. Am I close?

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, July 18, 2018 09:29:32
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 09:52:23 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 06:50:41 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 20:08:55 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.org>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 20:03:03 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
    <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    You're just incapable of really touching me, that's all.

    ### - who'd wanna touch you? gay much??

    (ewww/shudder lol) :P

    lol

    ### - it means i 'did' touch him and he doesn't like it!

    plus i think he's maybe now tryin' to write a book of his own?

    Really? What makes you think that?


    riiiight... :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to thangolossus@gmail.com on Wednesday, July 18, 2018 23:46:34
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 02:29:32 +0100, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 09:52:23 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 06:50:41 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
    <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 20:08:55 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.org>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 20:03:03 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
    <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    You're just incapable of really touching me, that's all.

    ### - who'd wanna touch you? gay much??

    (ewww/shudder lol) :P

    lol

    ### - it means i 'did' touch him and he doesn't like it!

    plus i think he's maybe now tryin' to write a book of his own?

    Really? What makes you think that?

    ### - just a vibe that's it must appear absolutely intolerable to someone
    like jeremy having to watch/suffer all these morons around him producing
    works of literature, when 'he' thinks/just-knows he would produce
    something far better & real? hehehe ;)

    2 types of writers in the world see? the one's who like writing just for
    it's own sake (wordsmiths) who can maybe even make a good living from it; storytellers...and others who write because they honestly feel they've got something to say ;)

    and i think old jer's got a whole 'heap' he'd like to say!

    looks kinda... pregnant! (hahaha...)

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, August 08, 2018 09:00:13
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 23:46:34 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 02:29:32 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 09:52:23 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 06:50:41 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
    <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 20:08:55 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.org>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 20:03:03 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
    <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    You're just incapable of really touching me, that's all.

    ### - who'd wanna touch you? gay much??

    (ewww/shudder lol) :P

    lol

    ### - it means i 'did' touch him and he doesn't like it!

    plus i think he's maybe now tryin' to write a book of his own?

    Really? What makes you think that?

    ### - just a vibe that's it must appear absolutely intolerable to someone >like jeremy having to watch/suffer all these morons around him producing >works of literature, when 'he' thinks/just-knows he would produce
    something far better & real? hehehe ;)

    I think it's even more intolerable for a genius like him
    (narcissistic, actually) to see common folk like me set up for the
    remainder of their lives on the back of their own hard work.

    He's sharing a bungalow somewhere in Cali, I forget where, which is
    probably rented. He wrote some software once which got him some kudos
    but even the echos of that accomplishment have died over time. He has
    old age and bitterness to look forward to because that's the way his personality is built and it can't be changed. He almost certainly
    doesn't have a nest egg on which to base his travels and comforts as
    he segues into senescence - and in a country like the US, pure
    capitalism and no welfare at all, that can lead to a very
    uncomfortable retirement.

    How can a genius superman like Jerome fail where so many substandard
    intellects have succeeded?

    A book won't solve his woes.


    2 types of writers in the world see? the one's who like writing just for
    it's own sake (wordsmiths) who can maybe even make a good living from it; >storytellers...and others who write because they honestly feel they've got >something to say ;)

    I'm the former. I can't be bothered being the latter even though I
    have a lot to say, but I keep that between my ears usually.

    and i think old jer's got a whole 'heap' he'd like to say!

    You can say that again!


    looks kinda... pregnant! (hahaha...)

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to thang ornerythinchus on Wednesday, August 08, 2018 11:37:24
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 6:00:17 PM UTC-7, thang ornerythinchus wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 23:46:34 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 02:29:32 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 09:52:23 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 06:50:41 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
    <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 20:08:55 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.org>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 20:03:03 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
    wrote:

    You're just incapable of really touching me, that's all.

    ### - who'd wanna touch you? gay much??

    (ewww/shudder lol) :P

    lol

    ### - it means i 'did' touch him and he doesn't like it!

    plus i think he's maybe now tryin' to write a book of his own?

    Really? What makes you think that?

    ### - just a vibe that's it must appear absolutely intolerable to someone >like jeremy having to watch/suffer all these morons around him producing >works of literature, when 'he' thinks/just-knows he would produce
    something far better & real? hehehe ;)

    I think it's even more intolerable for a genius like him
    (narcissistic, actually) to see common folk like me set up for the
    remainder of their lives on the back of their own hard work.

    Millions of people publish books each year and billions do
    what they can to live their own lives as best they can. Neither
    of those facts is even slightly disturbing to me. I've chosen
    how I want to live too, to the extent that I was able.


    He's sharing a bungalow somewhere in Cali, I forget where, which is
    probably rented.

    Yeah, he's eating breakfast somewhere every morning, walking around,
    going to different places and shit. Sleeping in his bed at night.
    Reading books. Listening to music. Doing things with his woman.
    Wearing the same old clothes. Hell, I don't know what all that
    cunt fucking does. Who cares.


    He wrote some software once which got him some kudos
    but even the echos of that accomplishment have died over time.

    Yeah, one summer he worked in a lumber yard. One time he worked in
    the mail room of a publishing company. Another time he worked in the
    packing department of some fabric warehouse. Then he was a shipping
    and receiving manager for some retail department store. Another
    time he was a market analyst for a company building databases for
    major oil companies. Then once he managed an office that got people
    cheapy divorces. That's not the half of it. But he hasn't done any
    of those things in decades. It has all faded away.

    LOL. What a total dipstick. Talking about you now. :)

    Last I heard from people who work where I did last, we still
    have every major government client we had when I was there,
    and the sales from the product line I created/managed even made
    a big comeback and drove most of their corporate revenue last year.
    I was told they're now even about to bring back my old position
    (eliminated when they laid me off 3 years ago). I thought wow,
    you bastards. :) I even wondered for a second if I could go
    get my job back again but quickly realized I DON'T WANT IT. :)
    So they're still making plenty of money off of my software,
    and 3 years after I left still upwards of 60 million people are
    being protected every day by that software. I built it to be
    highly flexible so as to last for many years, and so far it IS.
    That company has changed corporate owners twice since I left,
    but I provided a foundation that can be built on for years to come.

    The last major client I heard they are trying to sell my software
    happened to be the Northern Territory of Australia. But I don't
    know if they succeeded or not. :)


    He has old age and bitterness to look forward to becuse that's
    the way his personality is built and it can't be changed.
    He almost certainly doesn't have a nest egg on which to base his
    travels and comforts as he segues into senescence - and in a
    country like the US, pure capitalism and no welfare at all,
    that can lead to a very uncomfortable retirement.

    LOL. What an angry, vengeful, clueless douche. :)

    So here's some important stuff about me. How well I do materially
    has a minimal effect on how happy I am. At times I've lived a
    fairly wealthy lifestyle (lately and for over a decade now) and
    a dirt-poor lifestyle, and pretty much everything in between.

    In the 1980's, for about 5 years I lived in a shack of around 350
    square feet. When it rained I had to put out every pot I owned
    to catch leaks from the roof. I slept on a thin futon in a space
    sort of like a closet. There was no air conditioning, just a fan,
    and a wall heater you had to stand by to get warm in the winter.
    I didn't own a TV or a car - and rode a bike. I gave blood at
    a blood bank to get money for food and worked part-time at a
    low wage while going to school full time, studying what I pleased.
    Looking back it was one of the happiest 5 years of my life. :)
    If I had to do something like that again, I easily could.
    I can see myself 80 years old in some ratty trailer in the desert.
    Who knows if that will happen but if it did I'd be totally FINE.
    And if I was ever not fine, I'd just go out and "meet the coyotes",
    happy to let them have me at last. :)

    If I'm healthy and have books and music and writing paper and some
    wilderness areas to play in then I am more than fine. It doesn't matter
    if I'm making $100,000 a year or $20,000 a year. I've been that way
    all my life. Living in luxury doesn't change me much, except that it
    can impact the luxury-level of my travels, which I can take or leave.

    Either way, I spend most of my time exploring new ideas, sounds,
    knowledge of all kinds, and wilderness areas. That's what I love.
    Give me a new book of poems, a new album of tunes, and a cool place
    to hike and I'm happy - even if I'm eating beans out of a can.
    When you add in that my son has grown into an awesome man, that I'm
    debt free, and that all my time is now my own, then shit, this is
    practically paradise. Naw, it won't end pretty. Never does for anyone.
    But it's mostly been great and still is.

    You know, I'm so damn lucky I'll bet you a $1000 right now
    that I'll just drop dead all of a sudden some day. I won't be one
    to suffer for years; I'll just drop dead, like snap. Because that's
    just how fucking LUCKY I've always been.

    This one goes out to life itself. :)

    Lucky
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ_Ahg52QBA

    I 'm lucky for my fingers
    Lucky bed to sleep
    Lucky thoughts that linger
    Lucky as I leap
    Sometimes I turn my mind to days
    Before we broke in two
    Yeah but I'm lucky, so lucky
    For the time I spent with you
    Now some would call it destiny
    Say we don't control our fate
    Yeah but me I don't believe that stuff
    See I believe you make your own luck
    Sometimes. I turn my mind to days
    Before we broke in two
    But I'm lucky, so lucky
    For the time I spent with you
    What more could I ask for?
    What more could I do?
    What more could I ask for?
    I owe so much to you
    Well I'm lucky I'm still dreaming
    Lucky to have cried
    Yeah even lucky for the bad luck
    Just lucky to have tried
    Sometimes I turn my mind to days
    Before we broke in two
    Yeah but I'm lucky, so lucky
    For the times I spent with you
    For the times I spent with you


    How can a genius superman like Jerome fail where so many substandard intellects have succeeded?

    A book won't solve his woes.

    I don't have 'woes', other than those every being must face.
    And I don't really think of life in terms of success or failure.
    That may be my biggest flaw - who knows - but I've been largely
    happy for decades now, in and out of what many might judge success
    or failure, so if I had to "define it" I'd say I'm a "success".
    And I'll be that way until I'm not. Everyone has to die.

    The 25-year-old woman I live with - a child of the internet
    heavily invested in its memes - enjoys assigning a meme to everyone
    around here. The meme she chose for me is "Happy Gary". :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXBqf4Gfuo0

    And she nailed it. No, I don't LOOK like that on the outside
    it's not in any way obvious by watching me - it never has been -
    but that IS what I'm really like inside most of the time. :)
    No one here has a clue about that, not after all these years.

    I'm like a human being with a "cloaking device". I could tell
    anyone a hundred weird secrets about myself and they would forget
    all of them within a few days of the telling. "Cloaking device". :)

    It honestly wouldn't matter if I wrote the most amazing book on earth.
    I guarantee NOTHING would come of it. The cloaking device would see
    to it, and I know this. So why should I care? That's just the way
    things are.


    2 types of writers in the world see? the one's who like writing just for >it's own sake (wordsmiths) who can maybe even make a good living from it; >storytellers...and others who write because they honestly feel they've got >something to say ;)

    I'm the former. I can't be bothered being the latter even though I
    have a lot to say, but I keep that between my ears usually.

    and i think old jer's got a whole 'heap' he'd like to say!

    You can say that again!


    looks kinda... pregnant! (hahaha...)

    Yeah. But I may or may not write. I don't have to do anything.
    I've been 'pregnant' for 35 years. :)

    Every day I'm surrounded by amazing beauty and it's more than enough.
    My greatest gift has been to shamelessly squander a million gifts.
    Doing so somehow leaves me a delicious freedom. Inside the mind or
    out there in the great world, Happy Gary's just lookin' for the
    next adventure, until he's not.

    Remember old Silvio Manuel - the man behind the scenes? The one who
    'is the darkness'? Well, in the darkness he's happy - even dancing.
    You'll all forget all of this within just a day or two - if you ever
    hear it at all. Guaranteed. So who cares? And who cares if I write
    a book or not? Not me. :)

    .

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, August 08, 2018 16:04:25
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    Don’t Get Down, Get Outside: How Awe-Inspiring Nature Heals
    By Glen Martin

    About three years ago, UC Berkeley psychology PhD candidate Craig L. Anderson started investigating the components and implications of awe. Not the bad kind of awe — the sort you might experience if a mushroom cloud suddenly loomed on
    the horizon. But
    the good kind, specifically the variety associated with nature and all its manifold wonders: A sunset on a South Pacific atoll, icebergs calving from an Alaskan glacier, a hike through alpine meadows. Or in Anderson’s case, river-rafting.

    Working through the Berkeley Social Interaction Lab, headed by well-known happiness expert and Cal psychology professor Dacher Keltner, Anderson began collecting data on veterans who participated in rafting trips down the South Fork of the American River.
    That included members of Cal Vets, Berkeley’s student veterans association, and participants with the Sierra Club’s Military Outdoors Program, an outreach effort headed by Robert Vessels, a former infantryman with the U.S. Army’s 10 th Mountain
    Division who served combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and later took his bachelor’s degree from Cal in Middle Eastern studies.

    As documented in California , that early work appeared to confirm that a nature
    fix was a pretty good Rx for post traumatic stress, instilling an immediate feeling of joy and inculcating an improved outlook over the longer term. Now, three years later,
    Anderson’s research has been completed and the results published in the journal Emotion. And the evidence seems clear: Nature heals, and it heals by creating a sense of awe.

    Indeed, says Anderson, the lead author of the Emotion paper, awe isn’t simply
    one of the positive emotive responses that springs from exposure to nature: It’s the prime mover, the root from which all desirable emotional states such
    as happiness,
    contentment, giddy ecstasy, amusement, and so on, emerge.

    Awe was the only emotion directly associated with nature. People would find contentment with their job, or gratitude from a stranger’s kind act, or joy at watching a favored sports team win—but only exposure to nature could induce awe.
    “We conducted two studies,” says Anderson. “In the first, we tracked 124 veterans and underserved youth who went on either one-day or four-day whitewater rafting trips. Participants filled out diaries at the end of each day on their experiences and
    emotional responses, and we followed up with surveys on each of the participants a week later. We wanted to track six emotions: awe, amusement, contentment, gratitude, joy and pride.”

    The second study employed a similar number of subjects, but focused on the role
    nature played in affecting emotion on a daily basis rather than pegging it to a
    rare but exhilarating experience such as a whitewater rafting trip. Subjects kept diaries on
    their quotidian routines, noting the degree of “nature” they experienced (e.g., from walking or hiking in a park) and their resultant emotional states.

    In both studies, says Anderson, awe was the only element that predicted whether
    people would feel less stressed and more “healed.” Further, awe was the only emotion directly associated with nature. People would find contentment with their job, or
    gratitude from a stranger’s kind act, or joy at watching a favored sports team win—but only exposure to nature could induce awe.

    “Only awe could predict whether people get better [from PTSD],” says Anderson. “There was no such relationship with other emotions. On the second study, we sent out online surveys that the subjects filled out every night for 14 days, and they also
    wrote narratives on the positive events of each day. We coded for different emotional responses, and on days when people wrote about experiencing nature, they showed extremely elevated levels of awe. There would be other positive emotions, but those
    always seemed to be maximized by awe. It’s basically like you come across an ancient redwood, and awe essentially stops the brain and allows the expression of other positive emotions.”

    Jet Garner, a disabled Cal Vet who served as a corpsman with the U.S. Marines in Afghanistan, vouches for the power of nature-inspired awe. Garner was wounded by shrapnel during his deployment, suffering severely damaged nerves in
    his right arm. He
    returned home in 2011, and quickly retreated, he said, “to a dark place. I had problems with work, with friends. I broke up with my girlfriend. If I’d had a dog it would’ve died. I tried getting hobbies, but somehow I always ended up in a bar.”

    Garner grew up in Tennessee and had always enjoyed the outdoors. Before his wounds, he had hiked, rock-climbed and fished. In the Marines, his permanent duty station was Hawaii; there, he took up spear fishing, a pastime he enjoyed immensely. But once
    his arm was injured, he dropped all those things.

    He did pursue his education, however, enrolling in San Francisco Junior College
    after his service, eventually transferring to Cal, where he took his Bachelor’s degree in political economy and learned Mandarin through immersive
    courses. In some ways he
    got better—but not a hell of a lot better. The darkness remained, the pain buried more than ameliorated.

    Then he participated in a 2015 rafting trip that Anderson monitored.

    “The thing about that event that—well, really shocked me—is that normally
    vets get together over booze and just talk about their service time,” says Garner. “And that didn’t happen here. We were laughing, meeting each other’s significant
    others, and there was no alcohol. And no war talk. I realized I had been stuck in a loop. That we were all stuck in a loop.”

    Anderson’s work got Garner thinking, especially as he considered the data that indicated the outdoors was actually helping vets heal.

    “I realized I’d spent most of my adult life institutionalized,” he says. “Five years in the Marines, five years getting my Bachelor’s degree, serial
    girlfriends. Who was I? So I left my girlfriend, put my job opportunities on hold and basically
    immersed myself in nature. I’ve covered a lot of stuff out there hiking and backpacking, dealing with my PTSD piece by piece. So much happens neurologically when you have nothing to do but hike, just take step after step in beautiful, unspoiled
    surroundings.”

    And he’s still at it. Garner has undertaken spectacularly ambitious backpacking expeditions in recent years, hiking the Pacific Crest Trail in sections, along with 480 miles of the Colorado Trail. He hopes to do the entire
    Pacific Crest Trail in a
    through-hike next year: “One way or the other, I’ll do something,” he says. “I’m not going to stop now.”

    And he’s put ambitions for a career in international finance and trade aside,
    probably permanently. He’s starting a nonprofit outdoors company, RuckThru (a
    portmanteau of rucksack — the favored military term for a backpack—and hike-through).

    “I’m still buried in all the paperwork,” Garner says, “but when I’m done I’ll be taking eight vets at a time on long-distance backpacking expeditions as an alternative treatment for PTSD. I have a sense it’s going to be my life’s work. If
    my primary legacy is that I took a lot of vets into the wilderness and maybe helped them with their issues, I’m fine with that. For me, it feels a lot healthier than my earlier plans of selling things to China.”

    Like Garner, Vessels, the Sierra Club’s Veteran Volunteer Coordinator, says he knew from his own experience that the wilderness eased internal strife, “But it’s really great to see the benefits quantified, to see that the data
    supports what you
    intuitively feel. You can talk and talk about it, you can share anecdotes, but it’s good to have that peer-reviewed data for a variety of reasons.”

    ***

    I've sought out and basked in 'the awe from nature' since very young.
    Indeed the first major series of important recurring *dreams* in my
    life were directly related to the natural world too.

    I wonder though if people realize that WE are part of nature too.
    Thus, we contain and rightfully should inspire the same... awe.

    Also, going via our direct perceptions, while the original way and
    perhaps the best, ISN'T the only way to experience nature. Another
    way involves everything that can be learned about nature via the mind.
    Many of these things cannot be directly perceived, and the more
    one learns the more it can "deepen" that direct feeling of awe.

    .

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, August 10, 2018 19:55:34
    From: slider@anashram.com

    not wearing his glasses today wrote...

    slim pickens here, did you get bored?

    i guess it's time to move on.

    ### - regardless of 'appearances'; there were some good things there
    between the lines?

    such as don't pay so much attention to thangs' stupid digs for starters by snipping all that out, making-lite of being pregnant etc, making fun of
    the rhetoric re gary & silvio-m; plus actually some fairly good/straight
    advise re writing at the end albeit in comedic form?

    keeping shit on the straight & level's where am always at innit, ever
    nudging towards that precise point of balance etc, and because everything
    else IS insane shit anyway!

    still walkin' in the middle here boss, as always...

    so lighten up dude ;)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, August 10, 2018 16:05:10
    From: slider@anashram.com

    dancing gary wrote... :)


    Yeah. But I may or may not write. I don't have to do anything.
    I've been 'pregnant' for 35 years. :)

    ### - certainly does sound kinda overdue hahaha...

    ya sure you're just full of shit maybe? truly constipated! :)

    and that any day now you're gonna spectacularly give-birth to a 'log'
    that's only just inches shorter than you are tall? (crackin' up) - a dump almighty! (good title for a rant haha) :)



    Every day I'm surrounded by amazing beauty and it's more than enough.
    My greatest gift has been to shamelessly squander a million gifts.
    Doing so somehow leaves me a delicious freedom. Inside the mind or
    out there in the great world, Happy Gary's just lookin' for the
    next adventure, until he's not.

    ### - happy gary lol, riiiight...

    miserable & grouchy gary more like if your humour on here is anything to
    go by heh...




    Remember old Silvio Manuel - the man behind the scenes?

    ### - what, that completely + utterly fictitious cc-character?





    The one who
    'is the darkness'? Well, in the darkness he's happy - even dancing.

    ### - no he isn't lol... he isn't 'real', was never 'real'



    You'll all forget all of this within just a day or two

    ### - wow and i never even felt the blow between my shoulder blades?? :)




    - if you ever
    hear it at all. Guaranteed. So who cares?

    ### - so... you're the 'special' man after all then huh, and not just any ordinary 'special' man but the 'special' man 'behind' the man? the 'real'
    man in charge of the whole damn scene?? geez who have guessed at your
    total importance to the world - a super-nagual?? bs! :D (say that on here
    15 years ago pal and lol you'd have been eaten alive!)




    And who cares if I write
    a book or not? Not me. :)

    ### - all bs aside: the only good reason to write at all is if 'you'
    honestly think you've got something to say that hasn't already been said,
    or that you feel needs/remains to be said... just pissing and/or moaning
    about other authors wont count... i mean, all cults are bad, but more interesting perhaps is why people need to join them in the first place?
    what is it they obviously lack that has them searching for something more meaningful in their lives, what do they 'really' want and/or need? that
    article on 'awe' was fairly interesting, although i wouldn't just limit it
    to the awe aspects (of nature) alone, but rather the anti-psychotic nature
    of Nature in general, versus the 'psychotic-making' nature of living in concrete jungles... that there's a sanity & balance directly associated
    with nature that humanity has somehow lost and/or is in-process of losing altogether the farther we move away from it, seems obvious enough... plus really don't think monthly doses of awe-alone would ever be enough to compensate for humanity's growing insanity en-mass as only the wealthy
    could afford it... more obviously, perhaps, is that we need nature IN our lives! as part OF our lives on a daily basis! and i don't just mean
    getting a pet cat and a window box! so how to accomplish it?

    possible titles along those lines:

    only Nature makes us sane!

    the sincere sanity of Nature

    we gots to get us back to the garden rapido-stylie or dammit we just ain't gonna survive!

    (last one = my personal fav.) :)

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  • From feewilly@1:229/2 to All on Friday, August 10, 2018 10:29:37
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    slim pickens here, did you get bored?

    i guess it's time to move on.

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  • From feewilly@1:229/2 to All on Friday, August 10, 2018 13:38:39
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    so lighten up dude ;)

    aye aye capitan. (in a sgt garcia voice)

    you're the only one left here now.

    it's just me and you dreamer .

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, August 10, 2018 22:11:06
    From: slider@anashram.com

    you're the only one left here now.

    it's just me and you dreamer .

    ### - what, jeremy, thang & Art have all fucked off now??

    thaaat'll beee the daaay! :D

    nah...

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  • From feewilly@1:229/2 to slider on Friday, August 10, 2018 14:17:07
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    On Friday, August 10, 2018 at 2:11:14 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    you're the only one left here now.

    it's just me and you dreamer .

    ### - what, jeremy, thang & Art have all fucked off now??

    thaaat'll beee the daaay! :D

    nah...

    as far as i'm concerned.

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to Jeremy H. Denisovan on Friday, August 10, 2018 14:25:12
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 2:37:26 PM UTC-4, Jeremy H. Denisovan wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 6:00:17 PM UTC-7, thang ornerythinchus wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 23:46:34 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 02:29:32 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 09:52:23 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 06:50:41 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
    <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 20:08:55 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.org>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 20:03:03 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
    wrote:

    You're just incapable of really touching me, that's all.

    ### - who'd wanna touch you? gay much??

    (ewww/shudder lol) :P

    lol

    ### - it means i 'did' touch him and he doesn't like it!

    plus i think he's maybe now tryin' to write a book of his own?

    Really? What makes you think that?

    ### - just a vibe that's it must appear absolutely intolerable to someone

    like jeremy having to watch/suffer all these morons around him producing >works of literature, when 'he' thinks/just-knows he would produce >something far better & real? hehehe ;)

    I think it's even more intolerable for a genius like him
    (narcissistic, actually) to see common folk like me set up for the remainder of their lives on the back of their own hard work.

    Millions of people publish books each year and billions do
    what they can to live their own lives as best they can. Neither
    of those facts is even slightly disturbing to me. I've chosen
    how I want to live too, to the extent that I was able.


    He's sharing a bungalow somewhere in Cali, I forget where, which is probably rented.

    Yeah, he's eating breakfast somewhere every morning, walking around,
    going to different places and shit. Sleeping in his bed at night.
    Reading books. Listening to music. Doing things with his woman.
    Wearing the same old clothes. Hell, I don't know what all that
    cunt fucking does. Who cares.


    He wrote some software once which got him some kudos
    but even the echos of that accomplishment have died over time.

    Yeah, one summer he worked in a lumber yard. One time he worked in
    the mail room of a publishing company. Another time he worked in the
    packing department of some fabric warehouse. Then he was a shipping
    and receiving manager for some retail department store. Another
    time he was a market analyst for a company building databases for
    major oil companies. Then once he managed an office that got people
    cheapy divorces. That's not the half of it. But he hasn't done any
    of those things in decades. It has all faded away.

    LOL. What a total dipstick. Talking about you now. :)

    Last I heard from people who work where I did last, we still
    have every major government client we had when I was there,
    and the sales from the product line I created/managed even made
    a big comeback and drove most of their corporate revenue last year.
    I was told they're now even about to bring back my old position
    (eliminated when they laid me off 3 years ago). I thought wow,
    you bastards. :) I even wondered for a second if I could go
    get my job back again but quickly realized I DON'T WANT IT. :)
    So they're still making plenty of money off of my software,
    and 3 years after I left still upwards of 60 million people are
    being protected every day by that software. I built it to be
    highly flexible so as to last for many years, and so far it IS.
    That company has changed corporate owners twice since I left,
    but I provided a foundation that can be built on for years to come.

    The last major client I heard they are trying to sell my software
    happened to be the Northern Territory of Australia. But I don't
    know if they succeeded or not. :)


    He has old age and bitterness to look forward to becuse that's
    the way his personality is built and it can't be changed.
    He almost certainly doesn't have a nest egg on which to base his
    travels and comforts as he segues into senescence - and in a
    country like the US, pure capitalism and no welfare at all,
    that can lead to a very uncomfortable retirement.

    LOL. What an angry, vengeful, clueless douche. :)

    So here's some important stuff about me. How well I do materially
    has a minimal effect on how happy I am. At times I've lived a
    fairly wealthy lifestyle (lately and for over a decade now) and
    a dirt-poor lifestyle, and pretty much everything in between.

    In the 1980's, for about 5 years I lived in a shack of around 350
    square feet. When it rained I had to put out every pot I owned
    to catch leaks from the roof. I slept on a thin futon in a space
    sort of like a closet. There was no air conditioning, just a fan,
    and a wall heater you had to stand by to get warm in the winter.
    I didn't own a TV or a car - and rode a bike. I gave blood at
    a blood bank to get money for food and worked part-time at a
    low wage while going to school full time, studying what I pleased.
    Looking back it was one of the happiest 5 years of my life. :)
    If I had to do something like that again, I easily could.
    I can see myself 80 years old in some ratty trailer in the desert.
    Who knows if that will happen but if it did I'd be totally FINE.
    And if I was ever not fine, I'd just go out and "meet the coyotes",
    happy to let them have me at last. :)

    If I'm healthy and have books and music and writing paper and some
    wilderness areas to play in then I am more than fine. It doesn't matter
    if I'm making $100,000 a year or $20,000 a year. I've been that way
    all my life. Living in luxury doesn't change me much, except that it
    can impact the luxury-level of my travels, which I can take or leave.

    Either way, I spend most of my time exploring new ideas, sounds,
    knowledge of all kinds, and wilderness areas. That's what I love.
    Give me a new book of poems, a new album of tunes, and a cool place
    to hike and I'm happy - even if I'm eating beans out of a can.
    When you add in that my son has grown into an awesome man, that I'm
    debt free, and that all my time is now my own, then shit, this is
    practically paradise. Naw, it won't end pretty. Never does for anyone.
    But it's mostly been great and still is.

    You know, I'm so damn lucky I'll bet you a $1000 right now
    that I'll just drop dead all of a sudden some day. I won't be one
    to suffer for years; I'll just drop dead, like snap. Because that's
    just how fucking LUCKY I've always been.

    This one goes out to life itself. :)

    Lucky
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ_Ahg52QBA

    I 'm lucky for my fingers
    Lucky bed to sleep
    Lucky thoughts that linger
    Lucky as I leap
    Sometimes I turn my mind to days
    Before we broke in two
    Yeah but I'm lucky, so lucky
    For the time I spent with you
    Now some would call it destiny
    Say we don't control our fate
    Yeah but me I don't believe that stuff
    See I believe you make your own luck
    Sometimes. I turn my mind to days
    Before we broke in two
    But I'm lucky, so lucky
    For the time I spent with you
    What more could I ask for?
    What more could I do?
    What more could I ask for?
    I owe so much to you
    Well I'm lucky I'm still dreaming
    Lucky to have cried
    Yeah even lucky for the bad luck
    Just lucky to have tried
    Sometimes I turn my mind to days
    Before we broke in two
    Yeah but I'm lucky, so lucky
    For the times I spent with you
    For the times I spent with you


    How can a genius superman like Jerome fail where so many substandard intellects have succeeded?

    A book won't solve his woes.

    I don't have 'woes', other than those every being must face.
    And I don't really think of life in terms of success or failure.
    That may be my biggest flaw - who knows - but I've been largely
    happy for decades now, in and out of what many might judge success
    or failure, so if I had to "define it" I'd say I'm a "success".
    And I'll be that way until I'm not. Everyone has to die.

    The 25-year-old woman I live with - a child of the internet
    heavily invested in its memes - enjoys assigning a meme to everyone
    around here. The meme she chose for me is "Happy Gary". :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXBqf4Gfuo0

    And she nailed it. No, I don't LOOK like that on the outside
    it's not in any way obvious by watching me - it never has been -
    but that IS what I'm really like inside most of the time. :)
    No one here has a clue about that, not after all these years.

    I'm like a human being with a "cloaking device". I could tell
    anyone a hundred weird secrets about myself and they would forget
    all of them within a few days of the telling. "Cloaking device". :)

    It honestly wouldn't matter if I wrote the most amazing book on earth.
    I guarantee NOTHING would come of it. The cloaking device would see
    to it, and I know this. So why should I care? That's just the way
    things are.


    2 types of writers in the world see? the one's who like writing just for >it's own sake (wordsmiths) who can maybe even make a good living from it;

    storytellers...and others who write because they honestly feel they've got

    something to say ;)

    I'm the former. I can't be bothered being the latter even though I
    have a lot to say, but I keep that between my ears usually.

    and i think old jer's got a whole 'heap' he'd like to say!

    You can say that again!


    looks kinda... pregnant! (hahaha...)

    Yeah. But I may or may not write. I don't have to do anything.
    I've been 'pregnant' for 35 years. :)

    Every day I'm surrounded by amazing beauty and it's more than enough.
    My greatest gift has been to shamelessly squander a million gifts.
    Doing so somehow leaves me a delicious freedom. Inside the mind or
    out there in the great world, Happy Gary's just lookin' for the
    next adventure, until he's not.

    Remember old Silvio Manuel - the man behind the scenes? The one who
    'is the darkness'? Well, in the darkness he's happy - even dancing.
    You'll all forget all of this within just a day or two - if you ever
    hear it at all. Guaranteed. So who cares? And who cares if I write
    a book or not? Not me. :)

    .

    The mind and body of a human being, requires 844,000 nonillion computational units, for each second of moving through the basic fabrics at 160 miles per second,in three counter clockwise motions. At a time and place of his choosing Jer inserted a "
    variable" into the equation called cosmos.

    Game over he won. Only he can define that variable.
    Time and space are side effects of the underlying information systems.
    This world is a computational anchor chain for many other worlds and the
    anchor is in the zero dimensional realm of thought. Somehow he built an anchor.

    The Captain's Vision
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep7FWnbAaCI

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, August 10, 2018 23:03:06
    From: slider@anashram.org

    but am not the only one wrotes...


    it's just me and you dreamer .

    ### - what, jeremy, thang & Art have all fucked off now??

    thaaat'll beee the daaay! :D

    nah...

    as far as i'm concerned.

    ## - awww don't be like that? (laffing...)

    me & you are the only one's left who ain't a bit 'off' our fuckin' rockers
    is all lol :)))

    (or to use the vernacular: they haven't lost their 'human' forms yet? they still cling like sobs!)

    grinz... just don't get tangled up in their shit and everything's fine,
    see...

    for some unknown reason am always able to handle it? even enjoys it! never makes it personal!

    e.g., did you know that something told/said to someone while they're
    'raging' remains intact with them at a very deep level?

    years later they'll likely even claim it as their own idea!

    curious heh ;)

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to All on Friday, August 10, 2018 15:08:54
    From: intraphase@gmail.com


    On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 11:38:37 PM UTC-4, fuckowski wrote:
    so young grasshopper i ask you (and everyone else here)
    just what the fuck are we all doing here on this planet?

    i don't expect you to have the answer or an answer.
    i just want you to be aware of it.

    I'll probably never know either but at least i want to
    go on record for at least considering it. what else
    can a poor boy do?

    We are in the past.
    Each identity was copied and recreated approx 500K
    A one celled organism expanded to a many celled organism.
    Everyone here is now the editor of many futures if they survive.
    God's sweet vengeance. Force them to be their own God's and watch.

    A simple elegant solution.
    I AM at peace secure and abundant, impossible to kill without 500k votes. >Everyone equal to God in freedoms and responsibility future tied to past. >Promoting everyone, watch the battles between pasts, presents and futures.

    Bittersweet Symphony
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lyu1KKwC74

    I'm a lawyer in one future.
    A judge in another, a defendant in one, a prosecutor in another.
    Another day in an ever evolving infinite eternal cosmos generating waves.

    I'm a loser.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgSPaXgAdzE

    "Getting crazy with the cheese whiz."

    You strike me as someone who has cognitive issues - perhaps
    schizophrenia?. Your thoughts are very disordered. Am I close?


    I AM what I create.
    The power of decision
    The power of believing
    The power of momentum deployed

    I am at peace with every version of the self.
    Pure - Full - True - Whole - Natural - Eternal - Infinite
    This structuring of my identity patterns has lead to peace with, "Other"
    I have many friends with schizophrenia, currently about eight billion or so.

    "Go cart Mozart checking out the weather chart" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcWVL4B-4pI


    As to "Narrative Warfare"
    Simply declare: "I have a robust authentic narrative."
    I don't see Id, Ego, Super Ego. I see Pilot Captain Navigator.

    We all post here for the same reasons,
    stimuli, continuity, ideas in competition.

    The United States has formed a new military branch: "USA Space Force"
    Earth is a one celled creature about to divide exponentially into a being. Basic core level embedded technology was uncovered 07-07-79 transfer ongoing.

    I do my business "hear" on light mach 23.
    There is nothing to see here but the scoreboard.
    I "Truth" self and I "Love" others because truth kills them. Truth is 0=0.
    The girl trusts me.
    https://youtu.be/Nf8RY88NGkE?t=3m49s
    In this particular context.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKXlgISd3iA

    Having 500,000 selves should only trouble you if you needed 600,000.
    A self is a core reproducable identity pattern with built in stable equilibrium.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, August 10, 2018 23:20:36
    From: slider@anashram.com

    I have many friends with schizophrenia, currently about eight billion or
    so.

    ### - good one lol :)))

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to slider on Saturday, August 11, 2018 23:57:38
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Friday, August 10, 2018 at 6:20:43 PM UTC-4, slider wrote:
    I have many friends with schizophrenia, currently about eight billion or so.

    ### - good one lol :)))

    :-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fE0KiunvTs

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to slider on Sunday, August 12, 2018 15:56:06
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Friday, August 10, 2018 at 8:05:17 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    dancing gary wrote... :)


    Yeah. But I may or may not write. I don't have to do anything.
    I've been 'pregnant' for 35 years. :)

    ### - certainly does sound kinda overdue hahaha...

    ya sure you're just full of shit maybe? truly constipated! :)

    and that any day now you're gonna spectacularly give-birth to a 'log'
    that's only just inches shorter than you are tall? (crackin' up) - a dump almighty! (good title for a rant haha) :)



    Every day I'm surrounded by amazing beauty and it's more than enough.
    My greatest gift has been to shamelessly squander a million gifts.
    Doing so somehow leaves me a delicious freedom. Inside the mind or
    out there in the great world, Happy Gary's just lookin' for the
    next adventure, until he's not.

    ### - happy gary lol, riiiight...

    miserable & grouchy gary more like if your humour on here is anything to
    go by heh...




    Remember old Silvio Manuel - the man behind the scenes?

    ### - what, that completely + utterly fictitious cc-character?





    The one who
    'is the darkness'? Well, in the darkness he's happy - even dancing.

    ### - no he isn't lol... he isn't 'real', was never 'real'



    You'll all forget all of this within just a day or two

    ### - wow and i never even felt the blow between my shoulder blades?? :)




    - if you ever
    hear it at all. Guaranteed. So who cares?

    ### - so... you're the 'special' man after all then huh, and not just any ordinary 'special' man but the 'special' man 'behind' the man? the 'real'
    man in charge of the whole damn scene?? geez who have guessed at your
    total importance to the world - a super-nagual?? bs! :D (say that on here
    15 years ago pal and lol you'd have been eaten alive!)




    And who cares if I write
    a book or not? Not me. :)

    ### - all bs aside

    Oh? Really?

    : the only good reason to write at all is if 'you'
    honestly think you've got something to say that hasn't already been said,
    or that you feel needs/remains to be said... just pissing and/or moaning about other authors wont count... i mean, all cults are bad, but more interesting perhaps is why people need to join them in the first place?
    what is it they obviously lack that has them searching for something more meaningful in their lives, what do they 'really' want and/or need? that article on 'awe' was fairly interesting, although i wouldn't just limit it
    to the awe aspects (of nature) alone, but rather the anti-psychotic nature
    of Nature in general, versus the 'psychotic-making' nature of living in concrete jungles... that there's a sanity & balance directly associated
    with nature that humanity has somehow lost and/or is in-process of losing altogether the farther we move away from it, seems obvious enough... plus really don't think monthly doses of awe-alone would ever be enough to compensate for humanity's growing insanity en-mass as only the wealthy
    could afford it... more obviously, perhaps, is that we need nature IN our lives! as part OF our lives on a daily basis! and i don't just mean
    getting a pet cat and a window box! so how to accomplish it?

    possible titles along those lines:

    only Nature makes us sane!

    the sincere sanity of Nature

    we gots to get us back to the garden rapido-stylie or dammit we just ain't gonna survive!

    (last one = my personal fav.) :)

    You act like you're all into the arts - unless I start speaking
    metaphorically and then you'll go full LITERAL just to keep arguing.
    And if I speak factually then you'll go metaphorical on ME, again,
    just to keep arguing. (Thang's right, it's like wrestling a greased
    pig in a mud pit and all one gets is slimed every time.)

    There's plenty of nature all around me every day where we live
    and if I want wilderness - as I often do - I just go get into some.
    (We live 20 minutes from the border of a National Monument.)
    I've been doing that regularly all my life. Yeah, it would be best
    to build MORE right into all of society, interwoven all through all
    of our cities. That's a long-term dream which may fully come to pass
    only after we have enhanced AI to work with on it - since apparently
    we're too dumb and greedy just to do it on our own.

    The incredible inventions of intuitive AI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR5N2Jl8k14

    "It's no accident that the drone body looks just like the pelvis
    of a flying squirrel."

    "So in order to win, what AlphaGo had to do was develop 'intuition'.
    In fact, at some point, AlphaGo's programmer's didn't understand
    why AlphaGo was doing what it was doing."

    "We captured 4 billion data points... and then we did something crazy.
    We took all that data and plugged it into a generative AI that we call 'Dreamcatcher'... This is something that a human could never have
    designed. Except that a human did... but it was a human that was
    augmented by a generative design AI, a digital nervous system,
    and robots that can actually fabricate something like this."

    "I think we're going to see a world where we're moving from things that
    are fabricated to things that are farmed; where we're moving from things
    that are constructed to that which is grown. We're going to move from
    being isolated to being connected. And we'll move away from extraction
    to embrace aggregation."

    "The shape of things to come will be unlike anything we've ever
    seen before... because what will be shaping those things is this
    new partnership between technology, nature, and humanity."

    ***

    Tell our AI: "humans NEED to live surrounded by NATURE" and then
    put it to work on city design. That should be pretty cool.

    ***

    Then utilizing something like the kind of thinking below we may
    be able to get out of our terrible climate change problem.

    How we can turn the cold of outer space into a renewable resource https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a5NyUITbyk

    "Our atmosphere has what's known as a 'transmission window'.
    This window allows some of the heat that goes up as infrared light
    to effectively escape, carrying away... heat... This is an effect
    known as 'night sky cooling' or radiative cooling."

    "Using insights from... nanophotonics or metamaterials research we
    realized there might be ways to make this possible during the day..."

    "Eventually, we might actually be able to build a cooling system
    that requires no electricity input at all."

    "We can use the cold darkness of space of every energy-related process
    here on earth... Central to this ability is being able to manage the
    thermal radiation that's all around us... We as a civilization might
    be more able to manage our thermal energy footprint at the very largest
    scales. As we confront climate change... having this ability in our
    toolkit will prove to be essential."

    ***

    We have to use everything around us, including the SPACE around us
    to solve our energy problems.

    It probably will require heavy science like this to save our asses.
    It's all going to fall on the shoulders of our kids and grandkids
    at this point, but I still think they've got a good fighting chance.

    .

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, August 12, 2018 16:12:08
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Friday, August 10, 2018 at 2:25:13 PM UTC-7, LowRider44M wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 2:37:26 PM UTC-4, Jeremy H. Denisovan wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 6:00:17 PM UTC-7, thang ornerythinchus wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 23:46:34 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 02:29:32 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 09:52:23 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 06:50:41 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
    <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 20:08:55 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.org> >>>> wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 20:03:03 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
    wrote:

    You're just incapable of really touching me, that's all.

    ### - who'd wanna touch you? gay much??

    (ewww/shudder lol) :P

    lol

    ### - it means i 'did' touch him and he doesn't like it!

    plus i think he's maybe now tryin' to write a book of his own?

    Really? What makes you think that?

    ### - just a vibe that's it must appear absolutely intolerable to
    someone
    like jeremy having to watch/suffer all these morons around him producing

    works of literature, when 'he' thinks/just-knows he would produce >something far better & real? hehehe ;)

    I think it's even more intolerable for a genius like him
    (narcissistic, actually) to see common folk like me set up for the remainder of their lives on the back of their own hard work.

    Millions of people publish books each year and billions do
    what they can to live their own lives as best they can. Neither
    of those facts is even slightly disturbing to me. I've chosen
    how I want to live too, to the extent that I was able.


    He's sharing a bungalow somewhere in Cali, I forget where, which is probably rented.

    Yeah, he's eating breakfast somewhere every morning, walking around,
    going to different places and shit. Sleeping in his bed at night.
    Reading books. Listening to music. Doing things with his woman.
    Wearing the same old clothes. Hell, I don't know what all that
    cunt fucking does. Who cares.


    He wrote some software once which got him some kudos
    but even the echos of that accomplishment have died over time.

    Yeah, one summer he worked in a lumber yard. One time he worked in
    the mail room of a publishing company. Another time he worked in the packing department of some fabric warehouse. Then he was a shipping
    and receiving manager for some retail department store. Another
    time he was a market analyst for a company building databases for
    major oil companies. Then once he managed an office that got people
    cheapy divorces. That's not the half of it. But he hasn't done any
    of those things in decades. It has all faded away.

    LOL. What a total dipstick. Talking about you now. :)

    Last I heard from people who work where I did last, we still
    have every major government client we had when I was there,
    and the sales from the product line I created/managed even made
    a big comeback and drove most of their corporate revenue last year.
    I was told they're now even about to bring back my old position
    (eliminated when they laid me off 3 years ago). I thought wow,
    you bastards. :) I even wondered for a second if I could go
    get my job back again but quickly realized I DON'T WANT IT. :)
    So they're still making plenty of money off of my software,
    and 3 years after I left still upwards of 60 million people are
    being protected every day by that software. I built it to be
    highly flexible so as to last for many years, and so far it IS.
    That company has changed corporate owners twice since I left,
    but I provided a foundation that can be built on for years to come.

    The last major client I heard they are trying to sell my software
    happened to be the Northern Territory of Australia. But I don't
    know if they succeeded or not. :)


    He has old age and bitterness to look forward to becuse that's
    the way his personality is built and it can't be changed.
    He almost certainly doesn't have a nest egg on which to base his
    travels and comforts as he segues into senescence - and in a
    country like the US, pure capitalism and no welfare at all,
    that can lead to a very uncomfortable retirement.

    LOL. What an angry, vengeful, clueless douche. :)

    So here's some important stuff about me. How well I do materially
    has a minimal effect on how happy I am. At times I've lived a
    fairly wealthy lifestyle (lately and for over a decade now) and
    a dirt-poor lifestyle, and pretty much everything in between.

    In the 1980's, for about 5 years I lived in a shack of around 350
    square feet. When it rained I had to put out every pot I owned
    to catch leaks from the roof. I slept on a thin futon in a space
    sort of like a closet. There was no air conditioning, just a fan,
    and a wall heater you had to stand by to get warm in the winter.
    I didn't own a TV or a car - and rode a bike. I gave blood at
    a blood bank to get money for food and worked part-time at a
    low wage while going to school full time, studying what I pleased.
    Looking back it was one of the happiest 5 years of my life. :)
    If I had to do something like that again, I easily could.
    I can see myself 80 years old in some ratty trailer in the desert.
    Who knows if that will happen but if it did I'd be totally FINE.
    And if I was ever not fine, I'd just go out and "meet the coyotes",
    happy to let them have me at last. :)

    If I'm healthy and have books and music and writing paper and some wilderness areas to play in then I am more than fine. It doesn't matter
    if I'm making $100,000 a year or $20,000 a year. I've been that way
    all my life. Living in luxury doesn't change me much, except that it
    can impact the luxury-level of my travels, which I can take or leave.

    Either way, I spend most of my time exploring new ideas, sounds,
    knowledge of all kinds, and wilderness areas. That's what I love.
    Give me a new book of poems, a new album of tunes, and a cool place
    to hike and I'm happy - even if I'm eating beans out of a can.
    When you add in that my son has grown into an awesome man, that I'm
    debt free, and that all my time is now my own, then shit, this is practically paradise. Naw, it won't end pretty. Never does for anyone.
    But it's mostly been great and still is.

    You know, I'm so damn lucky I'll bet you a $1000 right now
    that I'll just drop dead all of a sudden some day. I won't be one
    to suffer for years; I'll just drop dead, like snap. Because that's
    just how fucking LUCKY I've always been.

    This one goes out to life itself. :)

    Lucky
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ_Ahg52QBA

    I 'm lucky for my fingers
    Lucky bed to sleep
    Lucky thoughts that linger
    Lucky as I leap
    Sometimes I turn my mind to days
    Before we broke in two
    Yeah but I'm lucky, so lucky
    For the time I spent with you
    Now some would call it destiny
    Say we don't control our fate
    Yeah but me I don't believe that stuff
    See I believe you make your own luck
    Sometimes. I turn my mind to days
    Before we broke in two
    But I'm lucky, so lucky
    For the time I spent with you
    What more could I ask for?
    What more could I do?
    What more could I ask for?
    I owe so much to you
    Well I'm lucky I'm still dreaming
    Lucky to have cried
    Yeah even lucky for the bad luck
    Just lucky to have tried
    Sometimes I turn my mind to days
    Before we broke in two
    Yeah but I'm lucky, so lucky
    For the times I spent with you
    For the times I spent with you


    How can a genius superman like Jerome fail where so many substandard intellects have succeeded?

    A book won't solve his woes.

    I don't have 'woes', other than those every being must face.
    And I don't really think of life in terms of success or failure.
    That may be my biggest flaw - who knows - but I've been largely
    happy for decades now, in and out of what many might judge success
    or failure, so if I had to "define it" I'd say I'm a "success".
    And I'll be that way until I'm not. Everyone has to die.

    The 25-year-old woman I live with - a child of the internet
    heavily invested in its memes - enjoys assigning a meme to everyone
    around here. The meme she chose for me is "Happy Gary". :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXBqf4Gfuo0

    And she nailed it. No, I don't LOOK like that on the outside
    it's not in any way obvious by watching me - it never has been -
    but that IS what I'm really like inside most of the time. :)
    No one here has a clue about that, not after all these years.

    I'm like a human being with a "cloaking device". I could tell
    anyone a hundred weird secrets about myself and they would forget
    all of them within a few days of the telling. "Cloaking device". :)

    It honestly wouldn't matter if I wrote the most amazing book on earth.
    I guarantee NOTHING would come of it. The cloaking device would see
    to it, and I know this. So why should I care? That's just the way
    things are.


    2 types of writers in the world see? the one's who like writing just for

    it's own sake (wordsmiths) who can maybe even make a good living from
    it;
    storytellers...and others who write because they honestly feel they've
    got
    something to say ;)

    I'm the former. I can't be bothered being the latter even though I
    have a lot to say, but I keep that between my ears usually.

    and i think old jer's got a whole 'heap' he'd like to say!

    You can say that again!


    looks kinda... pregnant! (hahaha...)

    Yeah. But I may or may not write. I don't have to do anything.
    I've been 'pregnant' for 35 years. :)

    Every day I'm surrounded by amazing beauty and it's more than enough.
    My greatest gift has been to shamelessly squander a million gifts.
    Doing so somehow leaves me a delicious freedom. Inside the mind or
    out there in the great world, Happy Gary's just lookin' for the
    next adventure, until he's not.

    Remember old Silvio Manuel - the man behind the scenes? The one who
    'is the darkness'? Well, in the darkness he's happy - even dancing.
    You'll all forget all of this within just a day or two - if you ever
    hear it at all. Guaranteed. So who cares? And who cares if I write
    a book or not? Not me. :)

    .

    The mind and body of a human being, requires 844,000 nonillion computational
    units, for each second of moving through the basic fabrics at 160 miles per second,in three counter clockwise motions. At a time and place of his choosing Jer inserted a "
    variable" into the equation called cosmos.

    Game over he won. Only he can define that variable.
    Time and space are side effects of the underlying information systems.
    This world is a computational anchor chain for many other worlds and the anchor is in the zero dimensional realm of thought. Somehow he built an
    anchor.

    Well... I dunno, man.

    I just said I feel really lucky; that I've always been mostly happy
    either rich or poor; that I've always been heavily into nature;
    that I seem to always remain hidden behind the scenes, however much
    I might reveal to anyone, and that I'm more than good just with all
    the beauty I see around me every day.

    So I'm not sure how you translated what I said to all that.
    But I'm impressed by how different it sounds, and if somehow I did
    all that, then it sounds like a good thing.

    To me, it's more like... the cosmos inserted a variable into itself
    called 'Jer'. :) LOL.

    And unfortunately, my belief is that no one can ever fully "win" -
    and indeed, that ultimately everyone must "lose", everything.
    That's why, once again, all that matter is... how you LIVE.
    If there is a way to "win", it is only in that sense - that you
    live a good, full life. :) Because in the end 'the house' wins
    and you lose. I think that a person ought to know that, and live
    accordingly.


    The Captain's Vision
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep7FWnbAaCI

    When I copied those lyrics to 'Lucky' from some site,
    one line was wrong. The correct lyrics are better:

    "Now some would call it destiny
    Say we don't control our fate
    Yeah but me I don't believe that stuff
    See I'm luckier that way"

    :)

    .

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Monday, August 13, 2018 10:36:05
    From: slider@anashram.com

    ### - all bs aside

    Oh? Really?

    ### - yes really! :)



    : the only good reason to write at all is if 'you'
    honestly think you've got something to say that hasn't already been
    said,
    or that you feel needs/remains to be said... just pissing and/or moaning
    about other authors wont count... i mean, all cults are bad, but more
    interesting perhaps is why people need to join them in the first place?
    what is it they obviously lack that has them searching for something
    more
    meaningful in their lives, what do they 'really' want and/or need? that
    article on 'awe' was fairly interesting, although i wouldn't just limit
    it
    to the awe aspects (of nature) alone, but rather the anti-psychotic
    nature
    of Nature in general, versus the 'psychotic-making' nature of living in
    concrete jungles... that there's a sanity & balance directly associated
    with nature that humanity has somehow lost and/or is in-process of
    losing
    altogether the farther we move away from it, seems obvious enough...
    plus
    really don't think monthly doses of awe-alone would ever be enough to
    compensate for humanity's growing insanity en-mass as only the wealthy
    could afford it... more obviously, perhaps, is that we need nature IN
    our
    lives! as part OF our lives on a daily basis! and i don't just mean
    getting a pet cat and a window box! so how to accomplish it?

    possible titles along those lines:

    only Nature makes us sane!

    the sincere sanity of Nature

    we gots to get us back to the garden rapido-stylie or dammit we just
    ain't
    gonna survive!

    (last one = my personal fav.) :)

    You act like you're all into the arts - unless I start speaking metaphorically and then you'll go full LITERAL just to keep arguing.
    And if I speak factually then you'll go metaphorical on ME, again,
    just to keep arguing. (Thang's right, it's like wrestling a greased
    pig in a mud pit and all one gets is slimed every time.)

    ### - haha you're always complaining? look it's easy: don't *throw* any
    'slime' and there wont 'be' any slime involved! ya throw it and it somehow lands right back on you being a poetic kinda justice? and yes am a
    slippery customer! in a world of morons armed with 'tweezers' ya gots to
    be innit just to survive! ;)





    There's plenty of nature all around me every day where we live
    and if I want wilderness - as I often do - I just go get into some.
    (We live 20 minutes from the border of a National Monument.)
    I've been doing that regularly all my life.

    ### - so what you're saying/implying is that it (having all that nature IN
    your life) *didn't* help ya? 'coz your aggressive/antagonistic behaviour
    on here often suggests something 'less' than complete harmony in your life jeremy... (i.e., am thinking/remembering 'several' movies of some
    typically snotty city-kid ending up living in the woods for various
    reasons, and experiencing a distinct change of attitude towards something
    much better & balanced than before...)





    Yeah, it would be best
    to build MORE right into all of society, interwoven all through all
    of our cities. That's a long-term dream which may fully come to pass
    only after we have enhanced AI to work with on it - since apparently
    we're too dumb and greedy just to do it on our own.

    ### - a fairly astute observation on your part that last bit hehehe :)

    but i dunno if AI is the answer lest we become even 'more' dependent on
    the kinds of shit that's driving everyone nuts in the first place? plus
    would we even listen to it anyway if it recommended radical change! (i
    very much doubt it...)

    no, we gots to find our own sanity within ourselves if it's to ever really
    be there for us; and because it's there but just buried in the background
    noise of clamoring + competing ideas to the contrary! (you 'could' come on
    here and behave like a saint but you don't!? something else (besides
    reason i mean) prompts you, some kinda 'angst' that has you perpetually trolling for emotional responses; a kinda vengeful substitute?? one that's definitely second best!)

    methinks the simple truth is people's 'inner' lives just isn't rich enough
    to compete with the purely material aspects of life & living as it's
    presented? thus people's lives are all on the... outside? there's no
    'inner' gauge to compensate! we're so divorced from Reality it all comes
    down to 2 apples being better than one every time? and 3 apples even
    better! like everyone's livin' in fucking lego-world or summat! (so how
    many bricks you got mate? i only gots 6 bricks but i do have a yellow one! dammit am jealous of his yellow brick, i wants one of them!) it's inane!




    The incredible inventions of intuitive AI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR5N2Jl8k14

    "It's no accident that the drone body looks just like the pelvis
    of a flying squirrel."

    "So in order to win, what AlphaGo had to do was develop 'intuition'.
    In fact, at some point, AlphaGo's programmer's didn't understand
    why AlphaGo was doing what it was doing."

    "We captured 4 billion data points... and then we did something crazy.
    We took all that data and plugged it into a generative AI that we call 'Dreamcatcher'... This is something that a human could never have
    designed. Except that a human did... but it was a human that was
    augmented by a generative design AI, a digital nervous system,
    and robots that can actually fabricate something like this."

    "I think we're going to see a world where we're moving from things that
    are fabricated to things that are farmed; where we're moving from things
    that are constructed to that which is grown. We're going to move from
    being isolated to being connected. And we'll move away from extraction
    to embrace aggregation."

    "The shape of things to come will be unlike anything we've ever
    seen before... because what will be shaping those things is this
    new partnership between technology, nature, and humanity."

    ***

    Tell our AI: "humans NEED to live surrounded by NATURE" and then
    put it to work on city design. That should be pretty cool.

    ***

    ### - just don't think we'd listen to it... it would be telling us we're basically insane to begin with and we wouldn't like that, it's suggestions
    too radically expensive, thus we'd no doubt start tweaking/diluting it to
    suit and nothing would ever change 'enough' to be telling?

    no, we've got to augment our 'own' intelligence from within somehow,
    redress the inner-balance to the point that we 'want' a better + saner
    world: by default! mass meditation 'would' do it! (i liked that dalai lama quote re getting rid of violence in a single generation if all 8-year old
    today were taught it heh...) but how to get 'em all to do it??

    and which is why have basically gone all-in on WILDing, as it is, in fact,
    a higher form of meditation! the fun kind! the attractive kind! the all-singing/dancing (heh) kind with bells-on, and ultimately also; a
    rather rewarding kind ;)





    Then utilizing something like the kind of thinking below we may
    be able to get out of our terrible climate change problem.

    How we can turn the cold of outer space into a renewable resource https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a5NyUITbyk

    "Our atmosphere has what's known as a 'transmission window'.
    This window allows some of the heat that goes up as infrared light
    to effectively escape, carrying away... heat... This is an effect
    known as 'night sky cooling' or radiative cooling."

    "Using insights from... nanophotonics or metamaterials research we
    realized there might be ways to make this possible during the day..."

    "Eventually, we might actually be able to build a cooling system
    that requires no electricity input at all."

    "We can use the cold darkness of space of every energy-related process
    here on earth... Central to this ability is being able to manage the
    thermal radiation that's all around us... We as a civilization might
    be more able to manage our thermal energy footprint at the very largest scales. As we confront climate change... having this ability in our
    toolkit will prove to be essential."

    ### - i think a 'reliance on science' has (and is going to be) our
    downfall?

    and as a pursuit per se has actually been disastrous!

    i mean, what 'use' science if we've all ended up as mad scientists??




    We have to use everything around us, including the SPACE around us
    to solve our energy problems.

    It probably will require heavy science like this to save our asses.
    It's all going to fall on the shoulders of our kids and grandkids
    at this point, but I still think they've got a good fighting chance.

    ### - in truth we can't afford to feed ourselves currently, let alone save
    the planet?

    and 'heavy science' is truly expensive! we can't even afford just to clear
    up the 'mess' we, in our madness, have already created?? there just isn't
    the money to spend! clever technological counter-measures developing too
    slowly to ever get ahead of the game! and with now 2/3 of the species
    already extinct we haven't got time to piddle about either! iow: we're
    screwed!

    sigh, i look at the young people i see around me, with their iphones and
    their ipads and their ipods, and their video games, and with their arses literally hangin' outta their pants! (one twat in the supermarket the
    other day literally wearing his jeans around his mid-thighs?! everyone in
    the queue trying 'not' to look? LOL) and i think jesuuus! 'none' of them
    know wtf they're doing??? they only think they do; following some crazy
    bunch of ideas or another from the tv and their peers etc etc... and the
    adults are really no better?

    i say give the dalai lama a chance? not because of any religious aspects
    of it (is it necessarily religious to like + honour nature? i don't think
    so, and that in that sense buddhism's a purely practical approach to life
    & living) but because he recommended all 8-year old learning to meditate
    as a means to eradicating violence in only a single generation heh + then
    as adults people like that would automatically wanna better world too!

    as for the remaining crazy-assed adults?

    well they can all learn to WILD and gain back their sanity that way hehehe
    ;)

    (wont work for everyone of course, most of 'em already too-far gone to
    ever turn back, or even wanna turn back come to that... you for instance,
    who'd rather back the 100/1 shot of AI, which hasn't even been developed
    yet btw so more like 250/1, to the perchance only 10/1 shot of
    meditation...)

    we got serious problems on this planet alright, and it's all coming to a
    head!

    so where to stand???

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q

    :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Monday, August 13, 2018 13:56:25
    From: slider@anashram.com

    ### - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN3x-kAbgFU

    "oh lord(y)..." ;)

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