• Re: Trumpwatching: harmless sport or unhealthy obsession?

    From waltkowaski@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, June 05, 2018 08:56:49
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    alright, what else is new ?

    soon you too will pot, kettle, black disease yourself.

    christ on a crutch, maybe bernie sanders will win in 2020 ?

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, June 05, 2018 16:47:09
    From: slider@anashram.com

    The US president is a ubiquitous media presence who turns ordinary
    citizens into news junkies. Some Trumpwatchers look back on a year
    dominated by the Donald

    Trumpwatching has become one of the world’s favourite spectator sports. “Sport” isn’t even the right word. Obsession may be a better one. Publishers had to print an extra one million copies of Michael Wolff’s new book, Fire and Fury, after it sold out on its first day.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/trumpwatching-harmless-sport-or-unhealthy-obsession-1.3352083

    Thanks to Wolff and others, our knowledge of Donald Trump is unparalleled
    in the history of global political leaders. We know what he does with his mornings – stays in bed and watches Fox news, reportedly. We know about
    his fear of stairs and people touching his toothbrush. We know that he
    loves McDonald’s because he is afraid of being poisoned.

    On any given day, Trump can be found dominating headlines from Ankara to Zimbabwe. This is not a figure of speech: to take last Tuesday as an
    example, Turkey’s Daily Sabah ran an op-ed about his Middle East policy, while the Zimbabwe Herald was reporting on his plans for the US weapons industry.

    Trump has turned many people who previously took only a passing interest
    in current affairs into news junkies, leading to his recent not-entirely outlandish boast that he has single-handedly saved the US media.

    Psychologists coined a term to describe what they were seeing in their clinics: post-election stress disorder.

    But is obsessive Trumpwatching good for us? The evidence would suggest not.

    One year ago, as Donald Trump was being inaugurated in Washington,
    Americans were reporting their highest stress levels in 10 years, in the American Psychological Association’s annual stress survey of 3,400 people. Two-thirds were stressed about the future; half were stressed about the political climate. Those who used social media were most worried of all.

    Psychologists coined a term to describe what they were seeing in their
    clinics: “post-election stress disorder”. As the year wore on, those
    stress levels only intensified. In another survey in November, 59 per cent
    said they considered this “the lowest point in US history.”

    In Ireland, there are no reports of increases in Trump-related stress disorders, nor signs of collective trauma. Keith Gaynor, a senior clinical psychologist at St John of God’s hospital in Dublin, says of the “couple
    of hundred” patients he saw over the past year, not one cited Trump “as a primary issue in their mental health problems”.

    In the main, Gaynor thinks “Irish people are watching it a bit like the Kardashians. It’s a political soap opera – entertaining or enraging or humorous.”

    That said, we are clearly not immune to the Trump effect. He has
    infiltrated public discourse and private consciousness here as much as anywhere. Trump tweets something; seconds later it is being retweeted
    around the world with exhortations to “read this and get very scared” or
    to “stay outraged”.

    And for every person who obsesses over the US president, there is another
    who feels the need to expunge him from their lives. For the latter group,
    there are apps and Chrome browser extensions allowing users to filter out
    all Trump-related activity. The news website Quartz allows users to “snooze” all mentions of Trump.

    The experience may leave them exhausted, but they are terrified that
    if they look away for a second, he’ll climb out of his cot, find the
    matches and set the house on fire

    Among the keenest watchers, though, are people who monitor him closely
    from an academic, professional or amateur interest, perhaps because they
    have an interest in a specific area they may now see as under threat – the environment, immigration, the rights of women or LGBT+ people.

    Then there are those for whom he has a Kardashian-style entertainment
    appeal.

    Finally, there are those who seem to be caught up in a kind of magical thinking, watching him with the hypervigilance of new parents because it
    gives them the illusion of control. The experience may leave them anxious
    and exhausted, but they are terrified that if they look away for a second, he’ll climb out of his cot, find the matches and set the house on fire.

    And every day, such people’s fears are rewarded with a fresh barrage of gut-churning news: Trump is bragging that his red button is bigger than
    North Korea’s! Trump’s tweet is an “existential threat to humanity”, warns
    arms expert! Stephen Hawking says Trump is pushing earth’s climate over
    the brink!

    Psychologist and author Maureen Gaffney says it’s more difficult for
    people to make a conscious decision to switch off from news about Trump
    than it was to switch off from, for example, news in general during the financial crisis, because of the unpredictability he fosters.

    “What we are wired to do is to pay attention to anything that is unpredictable. Trump is not only unpredictable, he cleverly and
    consciously uses that unpredictability to get attention and to secure
    power over people.”

    In that sense, monitoring Trump is quite a normal, or adaptive, behaviour. “It’s adaptive to pay attention to him, because he does pose a threat to us.”

    ***It becomes a maladaptive behaviour when we start having an emotional investment in it, when we find ourselves in a state of excitement over Trump’s latest tweet. “The long-term consequence of that is really
    creating or strengthening the conditions that brought us Trump in the
    first place – that world of instant sensation from social media; the
    advent of reality TV; that whole siloed hyper-individualistic way of
    paying attention only to things that confirm your own assumptions.***
    Those created the conditions for Trump. It might be a tired cliche to talk about that now, but that doesn’t mean it’s not true.”

    So while it’s normal and understandable for us to feel compelled to
    monitor Trump, “the more we treat him like a reality show, the more we’re reinforcing the culture that created him”.

    The reactions of those who dislike Trump have been “over-the-top and
    really unhinged. I think the Democrats tried to frame Trump as a new
    Hitler, and this idea has driven a lot of people into a very strange state
    of mind.”

    He feels the world is safer now than under Obama, and though Trump’s style
    of communication is not his style, he believes it is effective. “The
    things that are brought up as evidence of insensitivity or prejudice are
    really examples of confirmation bias on the part of those who bring them
    up. To someone predisposed to believe Trump is a terrible person, every
    word he says will be scrutinised for examples of confirm that belief.”

    Stephanie Naess is a 48-year-old account executive living in Hawaii. She
    says Trump’s election has “exposed the underbelly of what lives and breathes in America: greed, racism, sexism. The ugliest side of our
    country suddenly reared its head, and marched proudly down the street.”

    Since he took office, she has woken every day with an “overwhelming
    anxiety and sense of dread”. The news makes her “extremely anxious and angry”, but she believes we have a responsibility to stay informed.

    “I cannot stomach following him on Twitter, as I feel he uses it to attack anyone who doesn’t agree with him, to inflame tensions with other world leaders and to congratulate himself on things that aren’t even his doing.”

    Overall, her mood one year on is one of “stressed optimism”. She feels positive about the awakening political activism she sees in the younger generation, and the likelihood that Trump may be impeached.

    But she is most stressed about the rising tensions with North Korea. “It’s unfathomable that we now have warning sirens for nuclear attacks [IN HAWAII)]which are tested once a month. With 15 minutes to impact, I won’t even have time to drive to be with my children before the strike. How has
    it come to this?”

    ### - post-election stress disorder! :)

    relevant quotes:

    "It becomes a maladaptive behaviour when we start having an emotional investment in it, when we find ourselves in a state of excitement over Trump’s latest tweet. “The long-term consequence of that is really
    creating or strengthening the conditions that brought us Trump in the
    first place – that world of instant sensation from social media; the
    advent of reality TV; that whole siloed hyper-individualistic way of
    paying attention only to things that confirm your own assumptions."

    "...there are those who seem to be caught up in a kind of magical
    thinking, watching him with the hypervigilance of new parents because it
    gives them the illusion of control. The experience may leave them anxious
    and exhausted, but they are terrified that if they look away for a second, he’ll climb out of his cot, find the matches and set the house on fire."

    ***

    so does that perhaps remind ya's of anyone WE know??

    damn right it does! ahahaha :D

    our very own resident trump-nut with post-election stress disorder! :)

    (and imho/observation that's only the tip of the iceberg!)

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, June 05, 2018 17:53:04
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    Slider bitches and as part of it whines:
    tryin' to get ya's to... stop?

    Ah, just one more misguided failure in a lifetime of them? :)

    Meanwhile, Trump is busy pissing off most of our former allies,
    including Canada, Mexico, and the EU.

    ***

    Mexico Hits U.S. With Tariffs, Escalating Global Trade Tensions http://tinyurl.com/ya4p2od5

    WASHINGTON — Mexico hit back at the United States on Tuesday, imposing tariffs on around $3 billion worth of American pork, steel, cheese and other goods in response to the Trump administration’s steel and aluminum levies, further straining relations
    between the two countries as they struggle to rewrite the North American Free Trade Agreement.

    The tariffs came as the Trump administration threw yet another complication into the fractious Nafta talks by saying it wants to splinter discussions with Canada and Mexico and work on separate agreements rather than continue three-country discussions to
    rewrite the 1994 trade deal.

    Larry Kudlow, President Trump’s chief economic adviser, said on Tuesday that Mr. Trump’s “preference now, and he asked me to convey this, is to actually
    negotiate with Mexico and Canada separately.”

    Mr. Kudlow, speaking on Fox and Friends, said pursuing separate deals might allow an agreement to be reached “more rapidly,” adding: “I think that’s the key point. You know, Nafta has kind of dragged on.”

    The Trump administration hit Mexico and Canada with 25 percent steel tariffs and 10 percent aluminum tariffs on June 1 as part of a campaign to pressure the
    countries to agree to America’s demands on a revised Nafta. The United States
    also imposed
    metals tariffs on the European Union, Japan and other countries as part of an effort to stop the flow of imported metals, which the administration has said threaten national security by degrading the American industrial base.

    The trade approach has only inflamed allies, including Canada and Mexico, which
    have threatened to strike back with their own targeted tariffs aimed at Republican states and areas that supported Mr. Trump.

    Mexico’s list was designed to hit at parts of the United States represented by high-profile Republicans, Mexican officials have said, including steel from Vice President Mike Pence’s home state of Indiana, motorboats from Senator Marco Rubio’s
    Florida, and agricultural products from the California district of Representative Kevin McCarthy, the House majority leader.

    Farmers, who are among those most vulnerable to the Mexican tariffs, said the tariffs would devastate American agriculture.

    “These tariffs will exact immediate and painful consequences on many American
    farmers,” Angela Hofmann, deputy director of Farmers for Free Trade, said in a statement. “Hog, apple, potato and dairy farmers are among those suddenly facing a 10 or 20
    percent tax hike on the exports they depend of for their livelihoods. Farmers need certainty and open markets to make ends meet. Right now they are getting chaos and protectionism.”

    .

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Wednesday, June 06, 2018 00:13:25
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 22:31:58 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    ### - post-election stress disorder! :)

    relevant quotes:

    "It becomes a maladaptive behaviour when we start having an emotional
    investment in it, when we find ourselves in a state of excitement over
    Trump’s latest tweet. “The long-term consequence of that is really
    creating or strengthening the conditions that brought us Trump in the
    first place – that world of instant sensation from social media; the
    advent of reality TV; that whole siloed hyper-individualistic way of
    paying attention only to things that confirm your own assumptions."

    "...there are those who seem to be caught up in a kind of magical
    thinking, watching him with the hypervigilance of new parents because it
    gives them the illusion of control. The experience may leave them
    anxious
    and exhausted, but they are terrified that if they look away for a
    second,
    he’ll climb out of his cot, find the matches and set the house on fire." >>
    ***

    so does that perhaps remind ya's of anyone WE know??

    damn right it does! ahahaha :D

    our very own resident trump-nut with post-election stress disorder! :)

    (and imho/observation that's only the tip of the iceberg!)

    "Trump Trump Trump" he complains, then he repeatedly posts
    about Trump.

    ### - all of them only in direct response to your latest... mania!?

    tryin' to get ya's to... stop? - or lol to at least take a breath??

    (not a chance...)



    None of that 'stress' or 'control' crap applies to me. :)

    ### - ya really THINK your 'behaviour' is normal and balanced in all this jeremy???

    it's not ya know...

    and you know it too!





    I hardly ever even look at bozo's lying tweets. Maybe every couple
    of weeks or so I look at them and reply to a few.

    ### - and there's the proof! 'coz you quite deliberately played that down/minimised your involvement there didn't you eh? 'coz somewhere in the
    back of your mind you still know that what you've been doin' is way over
    the top innit, else why feel any need to play it down now and lie about
    your (and his) tweets??

    i've never replied to him even once? plus i don't know ANYONE ELSE that
    has, except you??

    (wonder if i can find all your trump tweets online? heh)

    am betting you can't 'wait' to see/hear what he's tweeted next just so you
    can jump right on it if necessary? so you've prolly even got a live feed
    to 'em or summat eh? email alerts, the lot! i know you have!



    I'm extremely
    concerned because Trump's reign is truly diabolical in dozens
    of different ways.

    ### - lol you're extremely 'something' alright hah! - extremely obsessed & feeble minded!

    it's the ONLY thing you ever talk about now? CAN ever talk about now??

    and not as concerned as WE are about... you!

    'coz it's blatantly obvious to everyone 'except' you that you're losing
    the plot pal!



    I'm not writing all this, anyway. Most of it
    is coming from 3 of the best newspapers in the world. :)

    ### - lol that doesn't make your latest MANIA any better, nor more
    justified??

    you must be literally gleefully scanning that shit night & day for trumpy-news!?

    'bad' trumpy-news!

    you're hooked and now ya can't leave it alone?? just can't!!!

    it's as though you've joined yet another cult?? and the worst yet 'coz it
    goes absolutely fuckin' nowhere!

    you've lost ALL restraint! and all self-respect to boot??

    they've GOT ya mate! heart & soul! they now own your ass!

    and i really don't think you're comin' back from this one either!

    you've gone too far! and you're getting worse not better!?

    plus, at this rate of decline, you'll likely end up in some nut-house
    somewhere screaming your head off about how trump put ya there, and how
    it's all HIS fault??

    is your life really THAT empty that you've literally gots nada else in
    your head???

    apparently not!

    there's nothing can be done folks, it's a very sad case...

    ***

    I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness,
    starving hysterical naked,
    dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking
    for an angry fix,

    --ginsberg

    and so another one bites the dust huh...

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, June 06, 2018 02:57:21
    From: slider@anashram.com

    some delusional nutjob wrote...

    tryin' to get ya's to... stop?

    Ah, just one more misguided failure in a lifetime of them?

    ### - lol look who's talkin'?? :)))

    'not' so easy to stop a runaway train...

    but at least i tried?

    so just wait till it derails itself then innit heh...

    waitin' for the crash, bang, wallop here boss! :)

    can't be long now!

    whooo-whooo! :)

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, June 06, 2018 11:55:09
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    Washington Post

    Paul Ryan splits with Trump, says ‘no evidence’ FBI spied on
    president’s campaign

    [Just one more indication of just how unusual all this shit is.
    Here, a Republican House Speaker contradicts a Republican President.]

    By Karoun Demirjian and Mike DeBonis
    June 6

    Excerpts:

    House Speaker Paul D. Ryan has joined those disputing President Trump’s assertion that federal law enforcement planted a spy inside his campaign, telling reporters Wednesday that he has seen “no evidence” to support such claims.

    Ryan (R-Wis.) said he thought “Chairman [Trey] Gowdy’s initial assessment is accurate.” He was referring to last week, when Gowdy (R-S.C.), chairman of
    the House Oversight Committee, said on Fox News that “the FBI did exactly what my fellow
    citizens would want them to do” in investigating information alleging certain
    Trump campaign advisers had suspicious ties to Russia, “and that it has nothing to do with Donald Trump.”

    Trump’s assertions that the bureau was engaged in a “witch hunt” that is “bigger than Watergate” began last month, after House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) demanded a briefing from top FBI and Justice Department
    officials on a confidential source who made contact with members of Trump’s campaign.

    After much squabbling, the panel’s top Democrat, Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), also attended the briefing. The full Gang of Eight — which includes
    the Republican and Democratic leadership in the House and Senate, as well as the top Republicans and
    Democrats on the Intelligence committees — received the same briefing later the same afternoon. Ryan and Gowdy attended the first briefing with Nunes and Schiff.
    ...

    Ryan also shot a careful retort at Trump’s assertion this week that, as president, he is entitled to pardon himself should Mueller’s probe unearth evidence of crimes.

    “I don’t know the technical answer to that question,” said Ryan, who is not a lawyer. “But I think obviously the answer is, he shouldn’t and no one
    is above the law.”

    Republicans reacted harshly to Trump’s statements about his power to pardon himself, warning that such a move would be unwise and an abuse of power. They’ve suggested, too, that he seek better legal advice.

    ***

    Even the Republicans are saying... "don't do it, mofo".
    But why is Trump even TALKING about shit like that??
    He's batshit crazy.

    Colbert - Can A President Pardon Himself? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYh_0QYQ-CE

    .

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  • From Jeremy H. Donovan@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, June 06, 2018 17:11:04
    From: jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com

    During tense NAFTA discussions, Trump
    asked Trudeau: "didn't you guys burn
    down the White House?"

    The Brits burned it decades before
    Canada became a nation. :)

    Our president is an idiot.

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  • From Jeremy H. Donovan@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, June 06, 2018 13:56:30
    From: jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com

    Boy he sure isn't. :) But you're harmless by comparison.

    ***

    BRUSSELS — President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia arrived in Austria on Tuesday sensing an opportunity almost unimaginable just months ago: to overhaul
    frosty relations with a European Union infuriated by President Trump on a host of issues, from
    climate and Iran to, most recently, tariffs and trade.

    Never mind that Mr. Putin was until recently virtually a pariah in Europe after
    his military interventions in Ukraine, Crimea and Syria; after meddling in European elections and working hard to foment right-wing populist uprisings throughout the
    Continent; after polluting the political environment with fake news; and after allegedly poisoning a former Russian spy and his daughter in Britain, charges Russia denies.

    Mr. Putin was now gaining considerable traction by casting himself as a reliable friend and trading partner to Europe even as the Trump administration was treating its closest allies there as strategic and economic competitors.

    ***

    Once again, Putin benefits, this time
    from Trump alienating our allies.

    .

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, June 06, 2018 20:32:33
    From: slider@anashram.com

    He's batshit crazy.

    ### - lol he's not the only one! :D

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, June 07, 2018 00:02:31
    From: slider@anashram.com

    trump-cult boy wrote...

    Boy he sure isn't. :) But you're harmless by comparison.

    ### - (laughing...) denial denial, all is denial hahaha :)))

    of course it's not 'you' - it's ME!!! lol lol :D



    Once again, Putin benefits, this time
    from Trump alienating our allies.

    ### - just couldn't resist it eh? slipped-in 'yet another' morsel about
    the love of your life?

    that bastard trump!? - so do'ya know what he's done NOW???

    (trump farts: and a right buncha' fuckin' morons are right there with
    their smell meters!)

    does it smell? yeah! yeah! it really does! how much?? oh about 5.37512 on
    the trump-scale!

    oh wow yeah that's bad! very bad! quick everyone let's get to tweeting!

    ahahahaha! :D :D :D

    for christsakes get a fucking LIFE jeremy! lol!

    roflmao :)

    (imagine if you'd have behaved like this on here 17/18 years ago what
    everyone would've thought of ya? oh that's right, you DID! only THAT time
    it was all about... cc?? - riiiight...)

    some shit never changes huh peeps...

    obsessed does as obsessed is!

    chooo-chooo! :)))

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to allreadydun@gmail.com on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 08:51:26
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:56:49 -0700 (PDT), waltkowaski
    <allreadydun@gmail.com> wrote:

    alright, what else is new ?

    soon you too will pot, kettle, black disease yourself.

    christ on a crutch, maybe bernie sanders will win in 2020 ?

    Well I'm writing this just after Trump, so despised, has done more for
    world peace than that deep state can-kicker Obama ever did, or HRC
    would have.

    I enjoyed his speech and his talk with the press. I think very highly
    of him now. Peace is much better than nuclear detonations and up to
    30 million dead, along with the losses of Seoul and Tokyo at a
    minimum.

    Bernie Sanders? Isn't he that fossilised old hippy type I recall from
    2016? You have to be joking...

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 08:56:16
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:53:04 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan" <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    Slider bitches and as part of it whines:
    tryin' to get ya's to... stop?

    Ah, just one more misguided failure in a lifetime of them? :)

    Meanwhile, Trump is busy pissing off most of our former allies,
    including Canada, Mexico, and the EU.


    He's not pissing us off here in Australia matey. We have shitloads of
    iron, mountains of it, more of it than any other nation, and heaps and
    heaps of aluminium and uranium, not to mention lithium, copper, lead,
    you name it, we got it. The world's metal warehouse is what we are.

    And, not even one tariff. Not one. And, Trump has neutralised the
    DPRK threat and brought peace, or the start of peace, to the Korean
    peninsula after 60+ years of war.

    What is there about Trump not to like?
    And, mate, Im not trolling.
    Have you tweeted congratulations to Trump about his summit and the
    results of his summit with Kim?

    If not, you are one biased fucker mate.

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 09:05:55
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:32:33 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:


    He's batshit crazy.

    ### - lol he's not the only one! :D\

    No I don't think Dave is crazy but I think he is so entrenched in
    Cali's style of liberal thought that he cannot, rather than will not,
    admit he is wrong about Trump.

    From the following index:

    https://patriots4life.com/trump-toes-kim-jong-uns-line-in-a-bizarre-press-conference-on-no-sleep-after-the-summit/

    "Asked to discuss the military consequences should denuclearization
    talks fall through, Trump declined, saying “I don’t want to be threatening.”

    “Seoul has 28 million people, think of that. It’s right next to the
    border. It’s right next to the DMZ,” Trump said of a potential war
    with North Korea.

    “I think you could have lost 20 million people, 30 million people,” in
    that hypothetical conflict, said Trump. For that reason, “this is
    really an honor for me to be doing this,” he continued.

    Now, if that was Obama (unlikely, he was a can kicker by nature and a
    puppet of the deep state) or god forbid, HRC, Dave would have been
    rapturous. He would have spittle-sprayed this NG from top to toe with laudatory proclaimations and kow towing homage. 30 million lives
    saved? Fuck, that's more than the death total of WW1!

    But do you notice Dave's stunning silence? Not a word about Singapore,
    or the summit, or Kim, or peace and denuclearisation.

    Funny, that...



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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 09:16:51
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 17:11:04 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Donovan" <jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com> wrote:

    During tense NAFTA discussions, Trump
    asked Trudeau: "didn't you guys burn
    down the White House?"

    The Brits burned it decades before
    Canada became a nation. :)

    Our president is an idiot.

    Your people are still trying to extricate themselves from wars started
    by Bush over a decade ago. Tell me, what wars has Trump started?

    Obama and HRC knifed Ghaddafi in the back after he denuclearised - who
    has Trump knifed in the back, or invaded (like Panama for instance, or
    Iraq - or kidnapped, like Noriega).

    Kennedy came within minutes of launching nuclear missiles against
    Russia. Russia removed missiles from Cuba and defused. What world
    ending confrontation has Trump been involved in?

    So he's wealthy. Good on him. So he's a bit nepotic - good on him,
    looking after blood.

    I'm starting to think he is not a literal moron. I think he has gone
    from commerce to politics a little too quickly and hasn't quite
    settled in.

    I think you need to get used to him.

    .

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to thangolossus@gmail.com on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 02:19:03
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 02:05:55 +0100, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    But do you notice Dave's stunning silence? Not a word about Singapore,
    or the summit, or Kim, or peace and denuclearisation.

    Funny, that...

    ### - actually he did...


    "I'd actually be okay with Trump getting snookered as long as we
    actually end up with no war. But I'm still skeptical. North Korea
    has not really done anything yet with regard to 'denuclearization'"

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 11:16:53
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    If Kim Jong Un is smart, he'll take Trump's concessions
    and play Trump's game as far as he can play it, to get his
    nation at least somewhat on the track of modern civilization.
    But none of that has happened yet...

    And I'm not "wrong" about Trump. I'm more convinced than ever that
    I'm totally right about him. He's absolutely the worst thing
    that ever happened to this nation. And his ass still needs to go,
    as soon as humanly possible, or most of what truly made our nation
    great WILL be destroyed.

    .

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to Jeremy H. Denisovan on Thursday, June 14, 2018 20:56:02
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 2:16:53 PM UTC-4, Jeremy H. Denisovan wrote:
    If Kim Jong Un is smart, he'll take Trump's concessions
    and play Trump's game as far as he can play it, to get his
    nation at least somewhat on the track of modern civilization.
    But none of that has happened yet...

    And I'm not "wrong" about Trump. I'm more convinced than ever that
    I'm totally right about him. He's absolutely the worst thing
    that ever happened to this nation. And his ass still needs to go,
    as soon as humanly possible, or most of what truly made our nation
    great WILL be destroyed.

    .

    If you had a government job,
    and suspected someone of voting for Trump,
    would it influence the way you treated them.

    ie: Would you punish them?

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, June 14, 2018 20:47:00
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    The other side
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En_VzgtI64U

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, June 15, 2018 07:56:09
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 04:56:02 +0100, LowRider44M <intraphase@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 2:16:53 PM UTC-4, Jeremy H. Denisovan
    wrote:
    If Kim Jong Un is smart, he'll take Trump's concessions
    and play Trump's game as far as he can play it, to get his
    nation at least somewhat on the track of modern civilization.
    But none of that has happened yet...

    And I'm not "wrong" about Trump. I'm more convinced than ever that
    I'm totally right about him. He's absolutely the worst thing
    that ever happened to this nation. And his ass still needs to go,
    as soon as humanly possible, or most of what truly made our nation
    great WILL be destroyed.

    .

    If you had a government job,
    and suspected someone of voting for Trump,
    would it influence the way you treated them.

    ie: Would you punish them?

    ### - heh :)

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Friday, June 15, 2018 19:01:49
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 02:19:03 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 02:05:55 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    But do you notice Dave's stunning silence? Not a word about Singapore,
    or the summit, or Kim, or peace and denuclearisation.

    Funny, that...

    ### - actually he did...


    "I'd actually be okay with Trump getting snookered as long as we
    actually end up with no war. But I'm still skeptical. North Korea
    has not really done anything yet with regard to 'denuclearization'"

    Heh, a minor flesh wound. Missed his comment and don't agree with
    his sentiment either. Is it possible to get an unbiased objective
    view of anything in the US by anyone in the US?

    Trump brokers a deal based on "fire and fury like the world has never
    seen". He's untypical so past POTUS profiles may not, probably won't,
    apply. Will he or won't he invade?

    Kim -> Sheeeit, we best start talking denuclearisation and
    integration before he starts a war which will kill the dynasty (and
    me).

    Simple as that for a life-long deal maker. He did well.

    So, why is Dave skeptical? If it were HRC as POTUS, we would probably
    have escalated the low grade conflict in Ukraine into WW3 (by "we" I
    mean the species) by now. That's a reasonable extrapolation of her
    record as Secretary of State...

    Dave, ya gots legal weed in Cali, what more can ya want? ;o



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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to All on Friday, June 15, 2018 09:14:38
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    Bob Hope - Zombies
    https://youtu.be/4a6YdNmK77k

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Thursday, June 21, 2018 15:02:12
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 11:16:53 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan" <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    If Kim Jong Un is smart, he'll take Trump's concessions
    and play Trump's game as far as he can play it, to get his
    nation at least somewhat on the track of modern civilization.
    But none of that has happened yet...

    And I'm not "wrong" about Trump. I'm more convinced than ever that
    I'm totally right about him. He's absolutely the worst thing
    that ever happened to this nation. And his ass still needs to go,
    as soon as humanly possible, or most of what truly made our nation
    great WILL be destroyed.

    And what is it that made your country great? In recent times,
    attacking small countries such as Iraq (on a pretext of WMD, which
    didn't exist), Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Serbia, Yemen, Syria,
    Nicaragua, etc etc etc) - however I note that as of yet, Trump has
    started no war and the only country he has struck has been Syria due
    to gas attacks on its own civilians.

    What else has made your country great which is in danger under Trump? Migration? He has no problem with legal migration, and nor do I, but
    illegal migration will destroy the US as it would Australia. Trump is
    trying to ensure the US doesn't fall into the same trap Europe has
    (but Italy is starting to wake up to this, and soon so will Germany).

    What else makes your country great? Technical innovation? Trump has
    jumped up the exploration and militarisation of space, which is a
    great move to get us off the planet - the "all the eggs in one basket"
    theory. He is defending your copyright and IP against those fucking
    thieving Chinese and I hope he breaks their economy, completely fucks
    those bullies up. And he will, just announced another $250bn in
    tariffs - suck those lollies, Mr Dictator.

    You need a longer and broader perspective.



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