On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 04:39:10 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 11:00:38 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:45:19 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
(have had a 5-horse bet today for instance costing £4, so am keeping >>>>> my
fingers crossed so to speak hehehe... better run you hairy bastards! >>>>> run!)
:)
Spoken like a degenerate gambler
Now I know what reduced your station in life so. I detest gambling. I >>>> think in your case it's the reverse...
### - you merely don't 'understand' gambling so you dismiss something
potentially intelligent rather than examine it - who TOLD you it's
bad?? :)
I've known degenerate gamblers who have been banned from the local
casino and revert to criminal gambling in very dangerous mileus. They
have lost everything except their lives.
### - yeah well, ya get degenerates in every circle going, so don't raise
the failures as prime examples of anything except failure...
plus, there's actually a philosophy in it for the discerning person, and >>> it's definitely 'not' easy so listen very carefully! i.e., 'any' gambler >>> eventually comes to realise that 'long-shots' are not the best way to go >>> about things? that if you only pick long-shots all the time you'll defo
end up broke... the question (in life) being 'how' to play the odds
intelligently enough, assuming one is even aware of them, so that you
get
'enough' of a return so as to be able to at least carry on/not starve
metaphorically speaking! ;)
There's a philosophical argument that it's highly immoral to expect
anything without exertion (ie winning without working).
I think the professional gambler is a myth in the long run. All legal
houses have the odds at least a fraction of one percent, and often
more, in their favour. You will lose in the long run.
### - in 'life' one cannot but help 'lose' it ALL one day! (i.e., we all
have to die)
and 'of course' the house is set up to win! that's LIFE! so 'everyone
without fail loses it all in the end! that's the point!
plus, am 'not' actually talking about anyone 'actually' being (or
becoming) a 'professional' gambler! except perhaps philosophically that
is... but in order to accomplish 'that' (to acquire that knowledge)
perforce a little actual practice is required but only always as kept to a >complete minimum! (i.e. one quite deliberately bets in pennies as opposed
to anything that would actually affect you financially... this is
important! and because it's not actually about becoming a 'real' gambler >betting on everything that moves obsessively, that's only another trap one >can quite easily fall into as well... and to 'actually' end up as a >professional gambler isn't what am suggesting at all! but only that of >acquiring the acute awareness of the 'odds' one perforce faces every day >without fail in EVERY area of life and NOT being asleep about it!)
some peeps, for example (and am again speaking philosophically here)
basically make their picks (their 'choices' in-life) with a pin! they
have
a few half-hearted haphazard stabs at it, of course get nowhere (because >>> it just *isn't* that easy!) and usually give up never to try again...
That's not me. I just never wanted to stake what I've got on
probabilities. You forget, I have a much better understanding of
statistics and probability theory than you, second year uni,
distinction. All binaries deviate towards the mean given a decent
sample, and the higher the sample, the closer to the mean. Gamblers
work on the variables - friction of fingertips on card edges, counting
cards dispensed (which works but is unacceptable because it works),
imprefections in die and velvet, and so on. Superstition doesn't cut
it.
### - this is actually all about 'eradicating' things like "superstition"
from one's life altogether by coming face-to-face with the 'realities' of
life as opposed to the 'belief' systems peeps more usually unthinkingly go >for... truth is, you've already staked your life on certain things! doing >things the way you're 'supposed' to do things, living the way peeps are >'supposed' to live, everyone's already gambling in that sense albeit >completely unawares! and dangerously so because of that!
to become more aware of what we're all 'actually' facing (and ultimately >dealing with) in 'life' requires more awareness not dull routine! and yes, >everything you say above is correct too, but am not considering going to
all those lengths such as card counting and the like, but of intelligently >avoiding all that and picking one's way in and around all those potential >traps (i.e., all the traps that exist in the daily world/life are perforce >reflected in everything everyone does and gets involved with everywhere,
it's unavoidable, and this perforce applies to the world of gambling too >albeit somewhat more condensed/concentrated in such a way so as to be able
to maybe get a-hold of the bigger picture, one that's far more obscured in >general daily life... iow: the world of gambling is actually a microcosmic >reflection of the world (and the universe) at large! and if you read it
that way you wont get into any trouble...)
Horses break down entirely due to the factors which aren't stochastic
- food, age, time of day, form, the jockey, etc. Very little gambling
involved in horses or dogs, rather it's knowing the variables and the
form.
### - exactly! and worse! jockeys 'have' been known to pull their horses
up a bit short for backhanders as well! so there's all THAT to consider as >well! (iow: it's nearly impossible to win even if you DO everything >perfectly!)
conversely, if you only pick favourites all the time, even though they
win
more often you'll never win enough because they're always such low odds?
so then, how to bet intelligently enough so as to get-by instead of
ending
up in the doghouse?
Why not work? Most wealthy people got there by work, not by gambling.
True gamblers lose sooner or later.
### - everyone loses sooner or later anyway hah but don't change the
subject! 'coz i ain't talking not working, you can DO whatever ya's like
in the meantime that's up to you + i ain't talkin' about living by the
codes of gambling literally except perhaps philosophically! (i.e. there's
a knowledge to be gained by living 'life' with the 'awareness' of the >gambler! but to 'gain' that knowledge ya have to do a little real gambling >because it's the 'feedback' from such that illumines the whole situation
in a way one might not otherwise arrive at by any other means... and
THAT'S the point)
even providing one can be detached-enough about it; there are literally
sooo many variables involved (dozens for each horse AND there's several
horses!) and thus so many, many things that can go wrong! one horse may
prefer firmer ground to another who historically runs better on softer
ground, so the weather plays a big part too! then there's the
competition
to consider for their ages, weights, the distance they perform best at,
and even the jockeys riding them! the stable the horse is coming from
may
or may not also be 'on-form' at the moment or not! the trainer too!
whether the course is a right-handed track or a left-handed one because
'some' horses will keep tight to a left turn but run-wide on a right
turn
thus losing ground & vise-versa! it goes on and on! did the horse fall
over last time or was it pulled up! was it the favourite last time out!
there's also an old saying about "horses for courses" meaning some nags
tend to always do better on their own favourite course! and/or maybe
it's
a female horse and it's having its bad time of the month lol... the list >>> of things that 'can' go wrong are nigh endless!
What I said above...
### - it's life in a nutshell heh...
a 'smaller' (condensed/concentrated in on place) nutshell that can then be >more readily examined :)
you yourself too may be either on-form or not on any particular day as
well hah! (sooo many floating variables see?) and there's no magical
formula for it all either see? so to even stand a chance in that
business
you've got to be awake and on the ball and well aware too, else ya wont
last very long at all!
now then + assuming all of the above... just to get ONE winner under
such
circumstances that ISN'T by just pure luck/fluke of being picked with a
pin, is difficult enough! so now multiply that by 5 (or even 7 heh) and
you'll begin to get a glimpse of where am coming from with all this?:
the
conscious facing of impossible odds & cunningly surviving by being
increasingly selective! ;)
thus, to pick 3 winners and string them together in one bet is actually
pretty good! let alone string 4 or 5??
thus too very small amounts can very quickly add/multiply-up the more
winners you can string together (i hardly ever back singles for example, >>> unless it's like that nicely/so-appropriately named one with WILD in the >>> name hehehe, which won @ 9/1! i mean you get 4 x 9/1's together and see
just how it all multiplies up = 10x10x10x10 = 10,000/1! = thus on that
even a lowly 10c stake would actually fetch ya back $1000!)
accordingly heh, one can't possibly expect to win very often in such a
manner, you could do everything absolutely perfectly (just like life)
and
still lose! so it's actually more a matter of everything all just coming >>> together in just the right way on just the right day... and, provided
you
stick at it and don't go nuts in the process, you will eventually get
some
wins! again, prices are everything from day to day too, so one day
you'll
win only a little and another a whole heap!
iow: just like life itself, the whole thing's a huge challenge that
keeps
ya well on yer' toes so to speak! but ya have to play it...
intelligently... or not at all to even stand a chance ;)
So how have you done over the years Slider? I get the impression you
don't have much by way of means. That means your experiment in
gambling has failed. Which means, my point is illustrated in your
case.
### - in 'financial' terms the account is down, or course it is! that's
LIFE! but knowing how it all goes one perforce 'learns' not to gamble >willy-nilly; one 'conserves' one's assets instead of exhausting them too >quickly or frivolously! one doesn't pick options from life with a pin! (as >the majority do! and as 'you' have done is many ways you perhaps don't yet >realise by picking only favourites; in the gambling world you can pick >favourites all day long and you wont survive!)
thus for moi, it's like doing metaphysical press-ups AND a sometimes
daily
reminder (because i don't bet every day) of just 'how' tenuous
everything
about life & living actually is hehehe... ;)
Do real pushups, hundreds of them. You'll lengthen the odds of an
early death.
### - changing the subject already huh?
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 12:27:47 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 04:39:10 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 11:00:38 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:45:19 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
(have had a 5-horse bet today for instance costing £4, so am keeping >>>>>> my
fingers crossed so to speak hehehe... better run you hairy bastards! >>>>>> run!)
:)
Spoken like a degenerate gambler
Now I know what reduced your station in life so. I detest gambling. >>>>> I
think in your case it's the reverse...
### - you merely don't 'understand' gambling so you dismiss something
potentially intelligent rather than examine it - who TOLD you it's
bad?? :)
I've known degenerate gamblers who have been banned from the local
casino and revert to criminal gambling in very dangerous mileus. They
have lost everything except their lives.
### - yeah well, ya get degenerates in every circle going, so don't
raise
the failures as prime examples of anything except failure...
Come on Slider, you're capable of better than that. Be objective.
Gambling is controlled by the state even in despotic countries in the
same way as other dangerous activies such as alcohol and cigarettes
are. That's because it is fucking ADDICTIVE to those of weak mind and
weak will.
plus, there's actually a philosophy in it for the discerning person,
and
it's definitely 'not' easy so listen very carefully! i.e., 'any'
gambler
eventually comes to realise that 'long-shots' are not the best way to
go
about things? that if you only pick long-shots all the time you'll
defo
end up broke... the question (in life) being 'how' to play the odds
intelligently enough, assuming one is even aware of them, so that you
get
'enough' of a return so as to be able to at least carry on/not starve
metaphorically speaking! ;)
There's a philosophical argument that it's highly immoral to expect
anything without exertion (ie winning without working).
I think the professional gambler is a myth in the long run. All legal
houses have the odds at least a fraction of one percent, and often
more, in their favour. You will lose in the long run.
### - in 'life' one cannot but help 'lose' it ALL one day! (i.e., we all
have to die)
You think that's a new philosophical thought? It's not how you die,
it's how you deal with that knowledge while you're alive that makes
you the man, or human, you are.
and 'of course' the house is set up to win! that's LIFE! so 'everyone
without fail loses it all in the end! that's the point!
What point? It's a biological imperative, everything passes, organic
and inorganic. Even protons evaporate over uncountable eons. Only
time conquers all and continues...or at least, we think so.
Without death there is no evolution. Without evolution there is no advancement.
plus, am 'not' actually talking about anyone 'actually' being (or
becoming) a 'professional' gambler! except perhaps philosophically that
is... but in order to accomplish 'that' (to acquire that knowledge)
perforce a little actual practice is required but only always as kept
to a
complete minimum! (i.e. one quite deliberately bets in pennies as
opposed
to anything that would actually affect you financially... this is
important! and because it's not actually about becoming a 'real' gambler
betting on everything that moves obsessively, that's only another trap
one
can quite easily fall into as well... and to 'actually' end up as a
professional gambler isn't what am suggesting at all! but only that of
acquiring the acute awareness of the 'odds' one perforce faces every day
without fail in EVERY area of life and NOT being asleep about it!)
You could have just said - only card counters and cheats win at house gambling. Only gangsters win at animal based gambling.
some peeps, for example (and am again speaking philosophically here)
basically make their picks (their 'choices' in-life) with a pin! they
have
a few half-hearted haphazard stabs at it, of course get nowhere
(because
it just *isn't* that easy!) and usually give up never to try again...
That would be you wouldn't it? The majority of people do plan their
life, whether it turns out that way is another matter entirely.
That's not me. I just never wanted to stake what I've got on
probabilities. You forget, I have a much better understanding of
statistics and probability theory than you, second year uni,
distinction. All binaries deviate towards the mean given a decent
sample, and the higher the sample, the closer to the mean. Gamblers
work on the variables - friction of fingertips on card edges, counting
cards dispensed (which works but is unacceptable because it works),
imprefections in die and velvet, and so on. Superstition doesn't cut
it.
### - this is actually all about 'eradicating' things like
"superstition"
from one's life altogether by coming face-to-face with the 'realities'
of
life as opposed to the 'belief' systems peeps more usually unthinkingly
go
for... truth is, you've already staked your life on certain things!
doing
things the way you're 'supposed' to do things, living the way peeps are
'supposed' to live, everyone's already gambling in that sense albeit
completely unawares! and dangerously so because of that!
You are wrong again. I retain my flexbility of thought into my old
age. I am compus and I find I have less bias now than when I was
younger. I changed my views on Trump, based on evidence alone. Who
else here can say they have changed their views on anything, based on evidence alone? You are very much set in your ways but you are much
less so than Dave, whose ways and thought processes are set in fucking granite.
In his case, the saying about teaching an old dog new tricks is very
apt.
to become more aware of what we're all 'actually' facing (and ultimately
dealing with) in 'life' requires more awareness not dull routine! and
yes,
everything you say above is correct too, but am not considering going to
all those lengths such as card counting and the like, but of
intelligently
avoiding all that and picking one's way in and around all those
potential
traps (i.e., all the traps that exist in the daily world/life are
perforce
reflected in everything everyone does and gets involved with everywhere,
it's unavoidable, and this perforce applies to the world of gambling too
albeit somewhat more condensed/concentrated in such a way so as to be
able
to maybe get a-hold of the bigger picture, one that's far more obscured
in
general daily life... iow: the world of gambling is actually a
microcosmic
reflection of the world (and the universe) at large! and if you read it
that way you wont get into any trouble...)
But you have fallen into a huge trap, that of dependence on the State.
I am completely independent of the State and invisible to it. I use a
VPN almost always now and TOR and Opera browser VPN as a default in communications. I don't vote because I don't wish to appear on the
electoral rolls. I have no legal fixed residence and all my assets
are owned by other persons, legally. Yet, I will never have my house
taken from me, nor will I ever have need to depend on the State for my income.
You appear to have gambled and lost.
I didn't really gamble (except
for making a career change a long time ago by going into business for
myself, thereby risking everything I guess) but I'm secure and
independent. Also, I take physical care of myself so I have little
need for the State to wipe my arse (provide healthcare). I eat well
and exercise a lot. Do you? Are you gambling on your health and
weight? Your nutrition?
Horses break down entirely due to the factors which aren't stochastic
- food, age, time of day, form, the jockey, etc. Very little gambling
involved in horses or dogs, rather it's knowing the variables and the
form.
### - exactly! and worse! jockeys 'have' been known to pull their horses
up a bit short for backhanders as well! so there's all THAT to consider
as
well! (iow: it's nearly impossible to win even if you DO everything
perfectly!)
When the gangsters nobble the horses or inject elephant juice into
them, you will lose and it doesn't matter what you know of form, you
will still lose.
conversely, if you only pick favourites all the time, even though they >>>> win
more often you'll never win enough because they're always such low
odds?
so then, how to bet intelligently enough so as to get-by instead of
ending
up in the doghouse?
Why not work? Most wealthy people got there by work, not by gambling.
True gamblers lose sooner or later.
### - everyone loses sooner or later anyway hah but don't change the
subject! 'coz i ain't talking not working, you can DO whatever ya's like
in the meantime that's up to you + i ain't talkin' about living by the
codes of gambling literally except perhaps philosophically! (i.e.
there's
a knowledge to be gained by living 'life' with the 'awareness' of the
gambler! but to 'gain' that knowledge ya have to do a little real
gambling
because it's the 'feedback' from such that illumines the whole situation
in a way one might not otherwise arrive at by any other means... and
THAT'S the point)
You think I haven't gambled? The only way I could have ended up the
way I did would be either by being born into wealth (I was born into
the exact opposite) or by making the right choices (education,
formative career, free enterprise business competitively selling
services learned during the formative career). All of that was a
gamble - would I have the cojones and smarts to compete successfully
in the cut throat world I put everything on? My gamble paid off.
On Thu, 05 Jul 2018 01:38:38 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 12:27:47 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 04:39:10 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 11:00:38 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:45:19 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
(have had a 5-horse bet today for instance costing £4, so am keeping >>>>>>> my
fingers crossed so to speak hehehe... better run you hairy bastards! >>>>>>> run!)
:)
Spoken like a degenerate gambler
Now I know what reduced your station in life so. I detest gambling. >>>>>> I
think in your case it's the reverse...
### - you merely don't 'understand' gambling so you dismiss something >>>>> potentially intelligent rather than examine it - who TOLD you it's
bad?? :)
I've known degenerate gamblers who have been banned from the local
casino and revert to criminal gambling in very dangerous mileus. They >>>> have lost everything except their lives.
### - yeah well, ya get degenerates in every circle going, so don't
raise
the failures as prime examples of anything except failure...
Come on Slider, you're capable of better than that. Be objective.
Gambling is controlled by the state even in despotic countries in the
same way as other dangerous activies such as alcohol and cigarettes
are. That's because it is fucking ADDICTIVE to those of weak mind and
weak will.
### - no you c'mon, you're not following what am actually
saying/suggesting here, even though you're still arriving at 'some'
correct conclusions albeit not completely on-context yet...
that those of weak will & mind perforce WILL perish in ANY field of life! >life is harsh & utterly unforgiving! totally impersonal! 'anything' such a >person gets involved in & with will likely + ultimately finish them off!
but we ain't considering the failures! (of which there's no end...) only
the few who somehow manage to slip through and around the net that
everyone's already IN...
the question being: how then to become 'aware' enough, fast enough, not to >get into too much (i.e., terminal) trouble! that if you can just accept
(for a moment & in theory then) that the world of gambling is a fairly >accurate representative microcosmic reflection of the whole, one small
enough to model so as to be enabled to turn it this way & that and examine >it, then one can also possibly accept/see the possibility of
'using/applying' that same model 'beyond the world of gambling per se to
the universe at large - why? because it scales up rather marvelously!
that's why :)
plus, there's actually a philosophy in it for the discerning person, >>>>> and
it's definitely 'not' easy so listen very carefully! i.e., 'any'
gambler
eventually comes to realise that 'long-shots' are not the best way to >>>>> go
about things? that if you only pick long-shots all the time you'll
defo
end up broke... the question (in life) being 'how' to play the odds
intelligently enough, assuming one is even aware of them, so that you >>>>> get
'enough' of a return so as to be able to at least carry on/not starve >>>>> metaphorically speaking! ;)
There's a philosophical argument that it's highly immoral to expect
anything without exertion (ie winning without working).
I think the professional gambler is a myth in the long run. All legal >>>> houses have the odds at least a fraction of one percent, and often
more, in their favour. You will lose in the long run.
### - in 'life' one cannot but help 'lose' it ALL one day! (i.e., we all >>> have to die)
You think that's a new philosophical thought? It's not how you die,
it's how you deal with that knowledge while you're alive that makes
you the man, or human, you are.
### - (smile) that's precisely what am talking to you about me old cobber!
:)
that in the (smaller/microcosmic reflection) world of gambling, certain >things begin to stand-out in a rather more /blatant manner than they might >otherwise normally do! (becomes undeniable actually + that's the point: no >room for denial as a possible solution to any situation; it all has to go; >superstition & everything...)
and 'of course' the house is set up to win! that's LIFE! so 'everyone
without fail loses it all in the end! that's the point!
What point? It's a biological imperative, everything passes, organic
and inorganic. Even protons evaporate over uncountable eons. Only
time conquers all and continues...or at least, we think so.
Without death there is no evolution. Without evolution there is no
advancement.
### - yes! only people hardly EVER actually LIVE that way WITH such an >awareness!
perforce a gambler HAS to! - daily! - if he hides he loses! plus he knows
all too well what losing means/implies! - the 'inability' to gamble
anymore because he's blown his account! :)
plus, am 'not' actually talking about anyone 'actually' being (or
becoming) a 'professional' gambler! except perhaps philosophically that
is... but in order to accomplish 'that' (to acquire that knowledge)
perforce a little actual practice is required but only always as kept
to a
complete minimum! (i.e. one quite deliberately bets in pennies as
opposed
to anything that would actually affect you financially... this is
important! and because it's not actually about becoming a 'real' gambler >>> betting on everything that moves obsessively, that's only another trap
one
can quite easily fall into as well... and to 'actually' end up as a
professional gambler isn't what am suggesting at all! but only that of
acquiring the acute awareness of the 'odds' one perforce faces every day >>> without fail in EVERY area of life and NOT being asleep about it!)
You could have just said - only card counters and cheats win at house
gambling. Only gangsters win at animal based gambling.
### - we wont consider the riff-raff heh, the professional gambler coming >closer to it than they ever likely will, yet even 'he' never really
considers 'leaving' that world altogether for other climes hah! (iow; the >'professional' gambler is actually the best of them 'in' that world, but
even they never escape, they only ever dream of escaping by maybe winning >big, but it's not a real dream or even a genuine aim, just mere fantasy of >winning only, one they're relatively safe from because chances are they'll >never win that big anyway... generally even they remain stuck in that
world, for life)
some peeps, for example (and am again speaking philosophically here) >>>>> basically make their picks (their 'choices' in-life) with a pin! they >>>>> have
a few half-hearted haphazard stabs at it, of course get nowhere
(because
it just *isn't* that easy!) and usually give up never to try again...
That would be you wouldn't it? The majority of people do plan their
life, whether it turns out that way is another matter entirely.
### - well, we all know about the 'best laid plans of mice & men' mostly
all coming to nothing don't we? thus, does 'anything' ever go according
to... plan??
no, we have to know that in-advance and thus have to remain adaptable!
able to improvise at a moments notice! not get nailed down!
e.g., that would be an example/equivalent of someone who gambles only ever >using some kinda 'formula' to make all their choices with! kinda comfy,
but basically just some more-convoluted version of picking 'em all with a
pin lol! - and ultimately useless overall!
That's not me. I just never wanted to stake what I've got on
probabilities. You forget, I have a much better understanding of
statistics and probability theory than you, second year uni,
distinction. All binaries deviate towards the mean given a decent
sample, and the higher the sample, the closer to the mean. Gamblers
work on the variables - friction of fingertips on card edges, counting >>>> cards dispensed (which works but is unacceptable because it works),
imprefections in die and velvet, and so on. Superstition doesn't cut
it.
### - this is actually all about 'eradicating' things like
"superstition"
from one's life altogether by coming face-to-face with the 'realities'
of
life as opposed to the 'belief' systems peeps more usually unthinkingly
go
for... truth is, you've already staked your life on certain things!
doing
things the way you're 'supposed' to do things, living the way peeps are
'supposed' to live, everyone's already gambling in that sense albeit
completely unawares! and dangerously so because of that!
You are wrong again. I retain my flexbility of thought into my old
age. I am compus and I find I have less bias now than when I was
younger. I changed my views on Trump, based on evidence alone. Who
else here can say they have changed their views on anything, based on
evidence alone? You are very much set in your ways but you are much
less so than Dave, whose ways and thought processes are set in fucking
granite.
### - you're living the way you do and have settled down to it all + have
no further expectations of change, is all am saying...
In his case, the saying about teaching an old dog new tricks is very
apt.
### - i actually owe ya an apology there thang heh, although he's not >actually unreasonable, he's merely deliberately + stubbornly
unreasonable... because he wants to be! (applied ignorance?)
the equivalent of someone stamping their foot and saying: wont! even to
the point of getting crafty about it heh :)
to become more aware of what we're all 'actually' facing (and ultimately >>> dealing with) in 'life' requires more awareness not dull routine! and
yes,
everything you say above is correct too, but am not considering going to >>> all those lengths such as card counting and the like, but of
intelligently
avoiding all that and picking one's way in and around all those
potential
traps (i.e., all the traps that exist in the daily world/life are
perforce
reflected in everything everyone does and gets involved with everywhere, >>> it's unavoidable, and this perforce applies to the world of gambling too >>> albeit somewhat more condensed/concentrated in such a way so as to be
able
to maybe get a-hold of the bigger picture, one that's far more obscured
in
general daily life... iow: the world of gambling is actually a
microcosmic
reflection of the world (and the universe) at large! and if you read it
that way you wont get into any trouble...)
But you have fallen into a huge trap, that of dependence on the State.
I am completely independent of the State and invisible to it. I use a
VPN almost always now and TOR and Opera browser VPN as a default in
communications. I don't vote because I don't wish to appear on the
electoral rolls. I have no legal fixed residence and all my assets
are owned by other persons, legally. Yet, I will never have my house
taken from me, nor will I ever have need to depend on the State for my
income.
### - and i don't 'have' a house that 'can' be taken from me hehehe...
i don't really have... anything? (anything to defend...) so i didn't even >'need' to go to all the lengths you had to just to be/feel secure?
You appear to have gambled and lost.
### - just depends on whatcha trying to 'win' innit heh (which is 'not'
what other's might go for;)
I didn't really gamble (except
for making a career change a long time ago by going into business for
myself, thereby risking everything I guess) but I'm secure and
independent. Also, I take physical care of myself so I have little
need for the State to wipe my arse (provide healthcare). I eat well
and exercise a lot. Do you? Are you gambling on your health and
weight? Your nutrition?
### - such considerations are never uppermost in my mind... are mere >incidentals to life & living generally, as there's just so much more to >consider... iow: my priorities are elsewhere
On Thu, 05 Jul 2018 12:42:04 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jul 2018 01:38:38 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 12:27:47 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 04:39:10 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 11:00:38 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:45:19 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
(have had a 5-horse bet today for instance costing £4, so am
keeping
my
fingers crossed so to speak hehehe... better run you hairy
bastards!
run!)
:)
Spoken like a degenerate gambler
Now I know what reduced your station in life so. I detest
gambling.
I
think in your case it's the reverse...
### - you merely don't 'understand' gambling so you dismiss
something
potentially intelligent rather than examine it - who TOLD you it's >>>>>> bad?? :)
I've known degenerate gamblers who have been banned from the local
casino and revert to criminal gambling in very dangerous mileus.
They
have lost everything except their lives.
### - yeah well, ya get degenerates in every circle going, so don't
raise
the failures as prime examples of anything except failure...
Come on Slider, you're capable of better than that. Be objective.
Gambling is controlled by the state even in despotic countries in the
same way as other dangerous activies such as alcohol and cigarettes
are. That's because it is fucking ADDICTIVE to those of weak mind and
weak will.
### - no you c'mon, you're not following what am actually
saying/suggesting here, even though you're still arriving at 'some'
correct conclusions albeit not completely on-context yet...
that those of weak will & mind perforce WILL perish in ANY field of
life!
life is harsh & utterly unforgiving! totally impersonal! 'anything'
such a
person gets involved in & with will likely + ultimately finish them off!
You do realise don't you that precisely half the population has an IQ
below the median - almost 4 billion people are "below average IQ"
(although because the midpoint is a median and not a mean, most people
are between 90 and 110).
These are the ones by and large who are plundered of their worldly
belongings by the robber gambling barons. The pot is huge, and what
you are saying is that around half of the world's population, because
it is below the median IQ, will perish in any field of life.
Sounds a bit Hitlerian to me Slider.
And life is not harsh unforgiving and impersonal - not to homo sapiens
who is the peak of evolution and adaptation on this planet and who has
forced nature to our needs and wants. It may have been 100K years ago
but not now. Not in the era of fluoridated water on tap and conduited
power at call :)
but we ain't considering the failures! (of which there's no end...) only
the few who somehow manage to slip through and around the net that
everyone's already IN...
the question being: how then to become 'aware' enough, fast enough, not
to
get into too much (i.e., terminal) trouble! that if you can just accept
(for a moment & in theory then) that the world of gambling is a fairly
accurate representative microcosmic reflection of the whole, one small
enough to model so as to be enabled to turn it this way & that and
examine
it, then one can also possibly accept/see the possibility of
'using/applying' that same model 'beyond the world of gambling per se to
the universe at large - why? because it scales up rather marvelously!
that's why :)
The world of gambling is fucking lazy cunts like you who want a free
ride without needing to work for it, simple as that :)
It's just a continuation of the welfare style of thinking.
plus, there's actually a philosophy in it for the discerning person, >>>>>> and
it's definitely 'not' easy so listen very carefully! i.e., 'any'
gambler
eventually comes to realise that 'long-shots' are not the best way >>>>>> to
go
about things? that if you only pick long-shots all the time you'll >>>>>> defo
end up broke... the question (in life) being 'how' to play the odds >>>>>> intelligently enough, assuming one is even aware of them, so that
you
get
'enough' of a return so as to be able to at least carry on/not
starve
metaphorically speaking! ;)
There's a philosophical argument that it's highly immoral to expect
anything without exertion (ie winning without working).
I think the professional gambler is a myth in the long run. All
legal
houses have the odds at least a fraction of one percent, and often
more, in their favour. You will lose in the long run.
### - in 'life' one cannot but help 'lose' it ALL one day! (i.e., we
all
have to die)
You think that's a new philosophical thought? It's not how you die,
it's how you deal with that knowledge while you're alive that makes
you the man, or human, you are.
### - (smile) that's precisely what am talking to you about me old
cobber!
:)
that in the (smaller/microcosmic reflection) world of gambling, certain
things begin to stand-out in a rather more /blatant manner than they
might
otherwise normally do! (becomes undeniable actually + that's the point:
no
room for denial as a possible solution to any situation; it all has to
go;
superstition & everything...)
Arrant nonsense.
and 'of course' the house is set up to win! that's LIFE! so 'everyone
without fail loses it all in the end! that's the point!
What point? It's a biological imperative, everything passes, organic
and inorganic. Even protons evaporate over uncountable eons. Only
time conquers all and continues...or at least, we think so.
Without death there is no evolution. Without evolution there is no
advancement.
### - yes! only people hardly EVER actually LIVE that way WITH such an
awareness!
perforce a gambler HAS to! - daily! - if he hides he loses! plus he
knows
all too well what losing means/implies! - the 'inability' to gamble
anymore because he's blown his account! :)
That won't stop a degenerate gambler just as running out of money
won't stop a speed or heroin addict. They are all as bad as each
other.
plus, am 'not' actually talking about anyone 'actually' being (or
becoming) a 'professional' gambler! except perhaps philosophically
that
is... but in order to accomplish 'that' (to acquire that knowledge)
perforce a little actual practice is required but only always as kept
to a
complete minimum! (i.e. one quite deliberately bets in pennies as
opposed
to anything that would actually affect you financially... this is
important! and because it's not actually about becoming a 'real'
gambler
betting on everything that moves obsessively, that's only another trap >>>> one
can quite easily fall into as well... and to 'actually' end up as a
professional gambler isn't what am suggesting at all! but only that of >>>> acquiring the acute awareness of the 'odds' one perforce faces every
day
without fail in EVERY area of life and NOT being asleep about it!)
You could have just said - only card counters and cheats win at house
gambling. Only gangsters win at animal based gambling.
### - we wont consider the riff-raff heh, the professional gambler
coming
closer to it than they ever likely will, yet even 'he' never really
considers 'leaving' that world altogether for other climes hah! (iow;
the
'professional' gambler is actually the best of them 'in' that world, but
even they never escape, they only ever dream of escaping by maybe
winning
big, but it's not a real dream or even a genuine aim, just mere fantasy
of
winning only, one they're relatively safe from because chances are
they'll
never win that big anyway... generally even they remain stuck in that
world, for life)
All professional gamblers, the evidently successful poker sharks and
so on, have a sleazy look about them. Something is off kilter. They
look dishonest. And they are. They are fucking workshy, usually, as
well. They are ALL riff raff.
Gambling is a cancer unless it's extremely minimal.
some peeps, for example (and am again speaking philosophically here) >>>>>> basically make their picks (their 'choices' in-life) with a pin!
they
have
a few half-hearted haphazard stabs at it, of course get nowhere
(because
it just *isn't* that easy!) and usually give up never to try
again...
That would be you wouldn't it? The majority of people do plan their
life, whether it turns out that way is another matter entirely.
### - well, we all know about the 'best laid plans of mice & men' mostly
all coming to nothing don't we? thus, does 'anything' ever go according
to... plan??
no, we have to know that in-advance and thus have to remain adaptable!
able to improvise at a moments notice! not get nailed down!
e.g., that would be an example/equivalent of someone who gambles only
ever
using some kinda 'formula' to make all their choices with! kinda comfy,
but basically just some more-convoluted version of picking 'em all with
a
pin lol! - and ultimately useless overall!
That's not me. I just never wanted to stake what I've got on
probabilities. You forget, I have a much better understanding of
statistics and probability theory than you, second year uni,
distinction. All binaries deviate towards the mean given a decent
sample, and the higher the sample, the closer to the mean. Gamblers >>>>> work on the variables - friction of fingertips on card edges,
counting
cards dispensed (which works but is unacceptable because it works),
imprefections in die and velvet, and so on. Superstition doesn't cut >>>>> it.
### - this is actually all about 'eradicating' things like
"superstition"
from one's life altogether by coming face-to-face with the 'realities' >>>> of
life as opposed to the 'belief' systems peeps more usually
unthinkingly
go
for... truth is, you've already staked your life on certain things!
doing
things the way you're 'supposed' to do things, living the way peeps
are
'supposed' to live, everyone's already gambling in that sense albeit
completely unawares! and dangerously so because of that!
You are wrong again. I retain my flexbility of thought into my old
age. I am compus and I find I have less bias now than when I was
younger. I changed my views on Trump, based on evidence alone. Who
else here can say they have changed their views on anything, based on
evidence alone? You are very much set in your ways but you are much
less so than Dave, whose ways and thought processes are set in fucking
granite.
### - you're living the way you do and have settled down to it all +
have
no further expectations of change, is all am saying...
Yep, that's a good definition of retirement :)
In his case, the saying about teaching an old dog new tricks is very
apt.
### - i actually owe ya an apology there thang heh, although he's not
actually unreasonable, he's merely deliberately + stubbornly
unreasonable... because he wants to be! (applied ignorance?)
the equivalent of someone stamping their foot and saying: wont! even to
the point of getting crafty about it heh :)
to become more aware of what we're all 'actually' facing (and
ultimately
dealing with) in 'life' requires more awareness not dull routine! and
yes,
everything you say above is correct too, but am not considering going
to
all those lengths such as card counting and the like, but of
intelligently
avoiding all that and picking one's way in and around all those
potential
traps (i.e., all the traps that exist in the daily world/life are
perforce
reflected in everything everyone does and gets involved with
everywhere,
it's unavoidable, and this perforce applies to the world of gambling
too
albeit somewhat more condensed/concentrated in such a way so as to be
able
to maybe get a-hold of the bigger picture, one that's far more
obscured
in
general daily life... iow: the world of gambling is actually a
microcosmic
reflection of the world (and the universe) at large! and if you read
it
that way you wont get into any trouble...)
But you have fallen into a huge trap, that of dependence on the State.
I am completely independent of the State and invisible to it. I use a
VPN almost always now and TOR and Opera browser VPN as a default in
communications. I don't vote because I don't wish to appear on the
electoral rolls. I have no legal fixed residence and all my assets
are owned by other persons, legally. Yet, I will never have my house
taken from me, nor will I ever have need to depend on the State for my
income.
### - and i don't 'have' a house that 'can' be taken from me hehehe...
i don't really have... anything? (anything to defend...) so i didn't
even
'need' to go to all the lengths you had to just to be/feel secure?
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 08:20:03 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jul 2018 12:42:04 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jul 2018 01:38:38 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 12:27:47 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 04:39:10 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 11:00:38 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:45:19 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
(have had a 5-horse bet today for instance costing £4, so am >>>>>>>>> keeping
my
fingers crossed so to speak hehehe... better run you hairy
bastards!
run!)
:)
Spoken like a degenerate gambler
Now I know what reduced your station in life so. I detest
gambling.
I
think in your case it's the reverse...
### - you merely don't 'understand' gambling so you dismiss
something
potentially intelligent rather than examine it - who TOLD you it's >>>>>>> bad?? :)
I've known degenerate gamblers who have been banned from the local >>>>>> casino and revert to criminal gambling in very dangerous mileus.
They
have lost everything except their lives.
### - yeah well, ya get degenerates in every circle going, so don't
raise
the failures as prime examples of anything except failure...
Come on Slider, you're capable of better than that. Be objective.
Gambling is controlled by the state even in despotic countries in the
same way as other dangerous activies such as alcohol and cigarettes
are. That's because it is fucking ADDICTIVE to those of weak mind and >>>> weak will.
### - no you c'mon, you're not following what am actually
saying/suggesting here, even though you're still arriving at 'some'
correct conclusions albeit not completely on-context yet...
that those of weak will & mind perforce WILL perish in ANY field of
life!
life is harsh & utterly unforgiving! totally impersonal! 'anything'
such a
person gets involved in & with will likely + ultimately finish them off!
You do realise don't you that precisely half the population has an IQ
below the median - almost 4 billion people are "below average IQ"
(although because the midpoint is a median and not a mean, most people
are between 90 and 110).
These are the ones by and large who are plundered of their worldly
belongings by the robber gambling barons. The pot is huge, and what
you are saying is that around half of the world's population, because
it is below the median IQ, will perish in any field of life.
Sounds a bit Hitlerian to me Slider.
And life is not harsh unforgiving and impersonal - not to homo sapiens
who is the peak of evolution and adaptation on this planet and who has
forced nature to our needs and wants. It may have been 100K years ago
but not now. Not in the era of fluoridated water on tap and conduited
power at call :)
### - alright alright, as usual you've gots totally fixed/closed ideas >concerning gambling & gamblers... and russians! and politics too! - and >nicotine! (oh that's right, you rescinded that last one didn't ya's heh; >changed your mind!)
but we ain't considering the failures! (of which there's no end...) only >>> the few who somehow manage to slip through and around the net that
everyone's already IN...
the question being: how then to become 'aware' enough, fast enough, not
to
get into too much (i.e., terminal) trouble! that if you can just accept
(for a moment & in theory then) that the world of gambling is a fairly
accurate representative microcosmic reflection of the whole, one small
enough to model so as to be enabled to turn it this way & that and
examine
it, then one can also possibly accept/see the possibility of
'using/applying' that same model 'beyond the world of gambling per se to >>> the universe at large - why? because it scales up rather marvelously!
that's why :)
The world of gambling is fucking lazy cunts like you who want a free
ride without needing to work for it, simple as that :)
It's just a continuation of the welfare style of thinking.
### - oh well that's the end of 'that' then isn't it! finito!
a totally closed mind! and not a can-opener in sight!
banned they are! an evil practice! just like the subject of nicotine used
to be :)
plus, there's actually a philosophy in it for the discerning person, >>>>>>> and
it's definitely 'not' easy so listen very carefully! i.e., 'any' >>>>>>> gambler
eventually comes to realise that 'long-shots' are not the best way >>>>>>> to
go
about things? that if you only pick long-shots all the time you'll >>>>>>> defo
end up broke... the question (in life) being 'how' to play the odds >>>>>>> intelligently enough, assuming one is even aware of them, so that >>>>>>> you
get
'enough' of a return so as to be able to at least carry on/not
starve
metaphorically speaking! ;)
There's a philosophical argument that it's highly immoral to expect >>>>>> anything without exertion (ie winning without working).
I think the professional gambler is a myth in the long run. All
legal
houses have the odds at least a fraction of one percent, and often >>>>>> more, in their favour. You will lose in the long run.
### - in 'life' one cannot but help 'lose' it ALL one day! (i.e., we >>>>> all
have to die)
You think that's a new philosophical thought? It's not how you die,
it's how you deal with that knowledge while you're alive that makes
you the man, or human, you are.
### - (smile) that's precisely what am talking to you about me old
cobber!
:)
that in the (smaller/microcosmic reflection) world of gambling, certain
things begin to stand-out in a rather more /blatant manner than they
might
otherwise normally do! (becomes undeniable actually + that's the point:
no
room for denial as a possible solution to any situation; it all has to
go;
superstition & everything...)
Arrant nonsense.
### - empty your cup some grasshopper! you're so filled-up with your own >opinions/conclusions there's just no room for anything else! :)
and 'of course' the house is set up to win! that's LIFE! so 'everyone >>>>> without fail loses it all in the end! that's the point!
What point? It's a biological imperative, everything passes, organic
and inorganic. Even protons evaporate over uncountable eons. Only
time conquers all and continues...or at least, we think so.
Without death there is no evolution. Without evolution there is no
advancement.
### - yes! only people hardly EVER actually LIVE that way WITH such an
awareness!
perforce a gambler HAS to! - daily! - if he hides he loses! plus he
knows
all too well what losing means/implies! - the 'inability' to gamble
anymore because he's blown his account! :)
That won't stop a degenerate gambler just as running out of money
won't stop a speed or heroin addict. They are all as bad as each
other.
### - have already dismissed the lower end of the spectrum yet that's the >only part you wanna focus on?
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in >your philosophy." --Hamlet
plus, am 'not' actually talking about anyone 'actually' being (or
becoming) a 'professional' gambler! except perhaps philosophically
that
is... but in order to accomplish 'that' (to acquire that knowledge)
perforce a little actual practice is required but only always as kept >>>>> to a
complete minimum! (i.e. one quite deliberately bets in pennies as
opposed
to anything that would actually affect you financially... this is
important! and because it's not actually about becoming a 'real'
gambler
betting on everything that moves obsessively, that's only another trap >>>>> one
can quite easily fall into as well... and to 'actually' end up as a
professional gambler isn't what am suggesting at all! but only that of >>>>> acquiring the acute awareness of the 'odds' one perforce faces every >>>>> day
without fail in EVERY area of life and NOT being asleep about it!)
You could have just said - only card counters and cheats win at house
gambling. Only gangsters win at animal based gambling.
### - we wont consider the riff-raff heh, the professional gambler
coming
closer to it than they ever likely will, yet even 'he' never really
considers 'leaving' that world altogether for other climes hah! (iow;
the
'professional' gambler is actually the best of them 'in' that world, but >>> even they never escape, they only ever dream of escaping by maybe
winning
big, but it's not a real dream or even a genuine aim, just mere fantasy
of
winning only, one they're relatively safe from because chances are
they'll
never win that big anyway... generally even they remain stuck in that
world, for life)
All professional gamblers, the evidently successful poker sharks and
so on, have a sleazy look about them. Something is off kilter. They
look dishonest. And they are. They are fucking workshy, usually, as
well. They are ALL riff raff.
Gambling is a cancer unless it's extremely minimal.
### - any more 'edicts' for the day thang?? lol :)))
some peeps, for example (and am again speaking philosophically here) >>>>>>> basically make their picks (their 'choices' in-life) with a pin! >>>>>>> they
have
a few half-hearted haphazard stabs at it, of course get nowhere
(because
it just *isn't* that easy!) and usually give up never to try
again...
That would be you wouldn't it? The majority of people do plan their
life, whether it turns out that way is another matter entirely.
### - well, we all know about the 'best laid plans of mice & men' mostly >>> all coming to nothing don't we? thus, does 'anything' ever go according
to... plan??
no, we have to know that in-advance and thus have to remain adaptable!
able to improvise at a moments notice! not get nailed down!
e.g., that would be an example/equivalent of someone who gambles only
ever
using some kinda 'formula' to make all their choices with! kinda comfy,
but basically just some more-convoluted version of picking 'em all with
a
pin lol! - and ultimately useless overall!
That's not me. I just never wanted to stake what I've got on
probabilities. You forget, I have a much better understanding of
statistics and probability theory than you, second year uni,
distinction. All binaries deviate towards the mean given a decent >>>>>> sample, and the higher the sample, the closer to the mean. Gamblers >>>>>> work on the variables - friction of fingertips on card edges,
counting
cards dispensed (which works but is unacceptable because it works), >>>>>> imprefections in die and velvet, and so on. Superstition doesn't cut >>>>>> it.
### - this is actually all about 'eradicating' things like
"superstition"
from one's life altogether by coming face-to-face with the 'realities' >>>>> of
life as opposed to the 'belief' systems peeps more usually
unthinkingly
go
for... truth is, you've already staked your life on certain things!
doing
things the way you're 'supposed' to do things, living the way peeps
are
'supposed' to live, everyone's already gambling in that sense albeit >>>>> completely unawares! and dangerously so because of that!
You are wrong again. I retain my flexbility of thought into my old
age. I am compus and I find I have less bias now than when I was
younger. I changed my views on Trump, based on evidence alone. Who
else here can say they have changed their views on anything, based on
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