• With Polyphasic Sleep, You Can Thrive on as Little as Two Hours per Nig

    From slider@1:229/2 to All on Monday, August 14, 2017 04:46:20
    From: slider@anashram.org

    According to the National Institutes of Health, we spend about 26 years of
    our life asleep, one-third of the total. The latest research states that between 6.4 and 7.5 hours of sleep per night is ideal for most people. But
    some need more and others less. A contingent out there, mostly women, do surprisingly well on just six hours.

    http://bigthink.com/philip-perry/want-more-hours-in-the-day-heres-how-to-thrive-on-as-little-as-two-hours-sleep-per-night

    There is even some data to suggest that a slim minority, around three
    percent of the population, thrive on just three hours sleep per night,
    with no ill effects. Of course, most people need much more.

    Americans are getting far less sleep today than in the past. Cutting out needful rest could damage your health, long-term— as a recent study
    showed, sleep is essential to clearing the brain of toxins that build up
    over the course of the day. It also helps in memory formation and allows
    other organs to repair themselves. Our professional lives and our natural cycles don’t always mesh. Often, they are at odds.

    What if you are insanely busy, like ten times the norm? Say you are going
    to medical school, earning your PhD, or are trying to get a business off
    the ground. There may not be enough hours in the day for what you have to
    do.

    One thing you can do is rearrange your sleep cycle to give yourself more
    time. Paleoanthropologists espouse that our ancestors probably didn’t
    sleep for seven hours at a clip, as it would make them easy prey. Instead,
    they probably slept at different periods throughout the day and night, and
    you can too.

    Though we find many modern ways to do it, napping could have played a
    central role in our ancestor’s lives.

    What we consider a “normal” sleep cycle is called monophasic. This is sleeping for one long period throughout the night. In some Southern
    European and Latin American countries, the style is biphasic. They sleep
    five to six hours per night, with a 60-90 minute siesta during midday.
    There is a historical precedent too: before the advent of artificial
    light, most people slept in two chunks each night of four hours each, with
    an hour of wakefulness in-between. Then there is polyphasic sleep. This is sleeping for different periods and amounts of time throughout the day.

    Certain paragons of history slept this way including Leonardo Da Vinci,
    Nikola Tesla, Franz Kafka, Winston Churchill, and Thomas Edison, among
    others. The idea gained popularity in the 1970s and 80s among the
    scientific community. Buckminster Fuller, a famous American inventor, architect, and philosopher of the 1900s, championed this kind of slumber.
    He branded his version Dymaxion sleep.

    Here, you take a half hour nap every six hours and sleep a total of just
    two hours per night. Swiss artist Francesco Jost practiced it for 49 days straight once, while observed by Italian neurologist Claudio Stampi. At
    first, Jost had trouble adjusting. But soon after, he was able to make it
    work with few side effects. He did have trouble waking at times, however.
    But the artist gained five more hours each day.

    Do a quick search of polyphasic sleep and you find that many people around
    the world are experimenting with it. There are different ways of doing it.
    Some try the Uberman schedule. Here, one takes six 30 minute naps
    throughout the day at 2pm., 6pm., 10pm, 2am, 6am, and 10am. That’s three hours of sleep total. Another way to do it is the Everyman Schedule. Here,
    a three hour chunk of sleep takes place between 1 A.M. and 4 A.M. Then,
    three 20 minute naps occur throughout the day at 9am, 2pm, and 9pm. That’s around 4.5 hours of sleep daily.

    So what’s the science behind this radical system? Unfortunately, no
    long-term research has been conducted, yet. One 2007 study, published in
    the Journal of Sleep Research, found that most animals sleep on a
    polyphasic schedule, rather getting their sleep all at once. This also
    begs the question, how much sleep does the human brain need to function properly? The answer is unknown.

    Sleep is broken into three cycles. There is light sleep, deep sleep, and
    rapid eye movement (REM) sleep. The last one is considered the most
    important and restful of phases. We don’t stay in any one phase for long. Instead, we cycle through these constantly throughout the night. So with polyphasic sleep, the idea is to experience these three phases in shorter amounts of time, and wake up rested.

    We don't know the exact purpose of these phases. Sleep is still something
    of a mystery. Without a good understanding, it’s difficult to quantify the impact a polyphasic schedule has. One question is whether such a schedule allows for enough REM sleep. Polyphasic practitioners say they are able to enter the REM phase quickly, more so than with a monophasic style. Jost
    for example, claimed he could enter REM sleep immediately. This quick
    entry into the REM state is known as “repartitioning.” The deprivation of sleep may help the body enter REM quickly, as an adaptation.

    So what are the downsides of this altered sleep cycle? Boredom and a
    limited social life. For those who want to go out drinking with friends,
    stay up late watching movies, or spend time with the kids, the drastic
    schedule change can cause problems. It has to be rigidly kept to work.
    Another concern, some studies have shown that those who sleep under five
    or six hours per night may have a higher risk of cardiovascular disease
    and lower immune system functioning.

    Some argue that sleep theories just don’t account for human diversity in needs. For instance, some insomniacs have praised a polyphasic style for helping them regain the ability to sleep. At issue is the lack of data.
    But of course, anyone who is considering seriously taking part in such a
    style should consult a physician and keep in touch with him or her
    regularly, throughout the process.

    How people sleep and how much they need varies widely. This may or may not
    have a genetic component. More research on sleep may help us to determine
    what our brain and body needs, and how we can adjust our sleep patterns to
    get the most out of our day, without sacrificing our health.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to slider on Monday, August 14, 2017 13:34:06
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 8:46:21 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    According to the National Institutes of Health, we spend about 26 years of our life asleep, one-third of the total. The latest research states that between 6.4 and 7.5 hours of sleep per night is ideal for most people. But some need more and others less. A contingent out there, mostly women, do surprisingly well on just six hours.

    http://bigthink.com/philip-perry/want-more-hours-in-the-day-heres-how-to-thrive-on-as-little-as-two-hours-sleep-per-night

    There is even some data to suggest that a slim minority, around three percent of the population, thrive on just three hours sleep per night,
    with no ill effects. Of course, most people need much more.

    Americans are getting far less sleep today than in the past. Cutting out needful rest could damage your health, long-term— as a recent study showed, sleep is essential to clearing the brain of toxins that build up over the course of the day. It also helps in memory formation and allows other organs to repair themselves. Our professional lives and our natural cycles don’t always mesh. Often, they are at odds.

    What if you are insanely busy, like ten times the norm? Say you are going to medical school, earning your PhD, or are trying to get a business off the ground. There may not be enough hours in the day for what you have to do.

    One thing you can do is rearrange your sleep cycle to give yourself more time. Paleoanthropologists espouse that our ancestors probably didn’t sleep for seven hours at a clip, as it would make them easy prey. Instead, they probably slept at different periods throughout the day and night, and you can too.

    Though we find many modern ways to do it, napping could have played a central role in our ancestor’s lives.

    What we consider a “normal” sleep cycle is called monophasic. This is sleeping for one long period throughout the night. In some Southern European and Latin American countries, the style is biphasic. They sleep five to six hours per night, with a 60-90 minute siesta during midday.

    That's my favorite way to sleep, whenever it works out.


    There is a historical precedent too: before the advent of artificial
    light, most people slept in two chunks each night of four hours each, with an hour of wakefulness in-between. Then there is polyphasic sleep. This is sleeping for different periods and amounts of time throughout the day.

    Certain paragons of history slept this way including Leonardo Da Vinci, Nikola Tesla, Franz Kafka, Winston Churchill, and Thomas Edison, among others. The idea gained popularity in the 1970s and 80s among the scientific community. Buckminster Fuller, a famous American inventor, architect, and philosopher of the 1900s, championed this kind of slumber. He branded his version Dymaxion sleep.

    Here, you take a half hour nap every six hours and sleep a total of just two hours per night. Swiss artist Francesco Jost practiced it for 49 days straight once, while observed by Italian neurologist Claudio Stampi. At first, Jost had trouble adjusting. But soon after, he was able to make it work with few side effects. He did have trouble waking at times, however. But the artist gained five more hours each day.

    49 days, once. By one guy. ? Not much data there.


    Do a quick search of polyphasic sleep and you find that many people around the world are experimenting with it. There are different ways of doing it. Some try the Uberman schedule. Here, one takes six 30 minute naps throughout the day at 2pm., 6pm., 10pm, 2am, 6am, and 10am. That’s three hours of sleep total. Another way to do it is the Everyman Schedule. Here, a three hour chunk of sleep takes place between 1 A.M. and 4 A.M. Then, three 20 minute naps occur throughout the day at 9am, 2pm, and 9pm. That’s

    around 4.5 hours of sleep daily.

    That might work okay for loners who have few regular interactions
    with other human beings and are capable of immediately going to
    sleep when they try. A rather small group I would think.

    You know, a major factor one will encounter when trying to sleep
    at different times during the day is: what OTHER people do
    who do not sleep during the day (and make lots of noise).


    So what’s the science behind this radical system? Unfortunately, no long-term research has been conducted, yet. One 2007 study, published in the Journal of Sleep Research, found that most animals sleep on a polyphasic schedule, rather getting their sleep all at once.

    While I find that interesting (and have long been aware of it),
    it's also notable that "most animals" don't have a social culture
    anywhere near as complex as human culture.


    This also
    begs the question, how much sleep does the human brain need to function properly? The answer is unknown.

    Sleep is broken into three cycles. There is light sleep, deep sleep, and rapid eye movement (REM) sleep. The last one is considered the most important and restful of phases. We don’t stay in any one phase for long. Instead, we cycle through these constantly throughout the night. So with polyphasic sleep, the idea is to experience these three phases in shorter amounts of time, and wake up rested.

    If REM really is the most important and restful phase (not sure
    that's true), it's interesting to observe the result from sleep
    labs that REM phases become *longer* the longer one sleeps.
    This leads one to question the benefit of shorter REM phases.


    We don't know the exact purpose of these phases. Sleep is still something of a mystery. Without a good understanding, it’s difficult to quantify the

    impact a polyphasic schedule has. One question is whether such a schedule allows for enough REM sleep. Polyphasic practitioners say they are able to enter the REM phase quickly, more so than with a monophasic style. Jost
    for example, claimed he could enter REM sleep immediately. This quick
    entry into the REM state is known as “repartitioning.” The deprivation of

    sleep may help the body enter REM quickly, as an adaptation.

    Another question arises as to the effects of severely decreasing
    or eliminating the "deep sleep phase" N-REM2. ?? One cannot just
    assume that only the REM stage is vital.

    (Also, don't forget my theory that DILD initiated during the
    light sleep stage is probably very similar to or the same as WILD.)


    So what are the downsides of this altered sleep cycle? Boredom and a limited social life. For those who want to go out drinking with friends, stay up late watching movies, or spend time with the kids, the drastic schedule change can cause problems. It has to be rigidly kept to work. Another concern, some studies have shown that those who sleep under five
    or six hours per night may have a higher risk of cardiovascular disease
    and lower immune system functioning.

    Another concern is the long-term effects. What happens to a person
    who sleeps polyphasically for 50 years? It will take much time to know, assuming it's even possible to get many people to do it for that long.


    Some argue that sleep theories just don’t account for human diversity in needs. For instance, some insomniacs have praised a polyphasic style for helping them regain the ability to sleep. At issue is the lack of data.

    There probably are significant individual differences in the
    best ways to sleep. What we already know about variance suggests it.


    But of course, anyone who is considering seriously taking part in such a style should consult a physician and keep in touch with him or her regularly, throughout the process.

    LOL. Can you see many ordinary doctors really wanting to receive
    regular reports from patients on their sleep schedules? :)
    "Oh yeah, great." There always have to be disclaimers like this... :)


    How people sleep and how much they need varies widely. This may or may not have a genetic component. More research on sleep may help us to determine what our brain and body needs, and how we can adjust our sleep patterns to get the most out of our day, without sacrificing our health.

    Yes, it's complex. To tease out genetic components will require
    a significant amount of data. Then you'll have the usual need to
    try to discern the importance of genetics vs. environmental factors.
    It will probably take quite some time to draw major conclusions.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Saturday, August 19, 2017 08:10:44
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 13:34:06 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan" <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 8:46:21 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    According to the National Institutes of Health, we spend about 26 years of >> our life asleep, one-third of the total. The latest research states that
    between 6.4 and 7.5 hours of sleep per night is ideal for most people. But >> some need more and others less. A contingent out there, mostly women, do
    surprisingly well on just six hours.

    http://bigthink.com/philip-perry/want-more-hours-in-the-day-heres-how-to-thrive-on-as-little-as-two-hours-sleep-per-night

    There is even some data to suggest that a slim minority, around three
    percent of the population, thrive on just three hours sleep per night,
    with no ill effects. Of course, most people need much more.

    Americans are getting far less sleep today than in the past. Cutting out
    needful rest could damage your health, long-term— as a recent study
    showed, sleep is essential to clearing the brain of toxins that build up
    over the course of the day. It also helps in memory formation and allows
    other organs to repair themselves. Our professional lives and our natural
    cycles don’t always mesh. Often, they are at odds.

    What if you are insanely busy, like ten times the norm? Say you are going
    to medical school, earning your PhD, or are trying to get a business off
    the ground. There may not be enough hours in the day for what you have to
    do.

    One thing you can do is rearrange your sleep cycle to give yourself more
    time. Paleoanthropologists espouse that our ancestors probably didn’t
    sleep for seven hours at a clip, as it would make them easy prey. Instead, >> they probably slept at different periods throughout the day and night, and >> you can too.

    Though we find many modern ways to do it, napping could have played a
    central role in our ancestor’s lives.

    What we consider a “normal” sleep cycle is called monophasic. This is
    sleeping for one long period throughout the night. In some Southern
    European and Latin American countries, the style is biphasic. They sleep
    five to six hours per night, with a 60-90 minute siesta during midday.

    That's my favorite way to sleep, whenever it works out.

    I cannot do that. I'm totally monophasic and my wife is the same.
    There's simply too much going on in my typical day for any sort of
    sleep intermission and even when I lay myself down at around 20.00 or
    so each night (and up at 05.00) it takes a while generally for my mind
    to settle and stop thinking. Yet I sleep quite well, if not quite
    enough.



    There is a historical precedent too: before the advent of artificial
    light, most people slept in two chunks each night of four hours each, with >> an hour of wakefulness in-between. Then there is polyphasic sleep. This is >> sleeping for different periods and amounts of time throughout the day.

    Certain paragons of history slept this way including Leonardo Da Vinci,
    Nikola Tesla, Franz Kafka, Winston Churchill, and Thomas Edison, among
    others. The idea gained popularity in the 1970s and 80s among the
    scientific community. Buckminster Fuller, a famous American inventor,
    architect, and philosopher of the 1900s, championed this kind of slumber.
    He branded his version Dymaxion sleep.

    Here, you take a half hour nap every six hours and sleep a total of just
    two hours per night. Swiss artist Francesco Jost practiced it for 49 days
    straight once, while observed by Italian neurologist Claudio Stampi. At
    first, Jost had trouble adjusting. But soon after, he was able to make it
    work with few side effects. He did have trouble waking at times, however.
    But the artist gained five more hours each day.

    49 days, once. By one guy. ? Not much data there.

    Agreed. On thing, one *important* thing, not mentioned in this
    article apart from a lack of useful data such as pointed out here by
    you, is that sleep is not just a brain-toxicity remediator but also a
    way for a properly exercised body to repair itself.

    I exercise most days. This means around 300 or so rapid pushups on
    knuckles on one set of toes with the other leg raised, around 100 sit
    ups, heavy sets of barbels both biceps curls and raises above head,
    squats, expanders in all configs, punching bag and speed bag and more
    - at my age, I need plenty of sleep in one big lump so the toxins can
    be removed from my muscles, they can be repaired, my bone can
    redensify (neologism there) and so on - in addition to my brain
    cleansing and detoxifying.

    One cannot self-repair muscle damage and toxicity in little
    polyphases. Such repair takes uninterrupted time. Convenient in this
    lazy age that this has been omitted.


    Do a quick search of polyphasic sleep and you find that many people around >> the world are experimenting with it. There are different ways of doing it. >> Some try the Uberman schedule. Here, one takes six 30 minute naps
    throughout the day at 2pm., 6pm., 10pm, 2am, 6am, and 10am. That’s three >> hours of sleep total. Another way to do it is the Everyman Schedule. Here, >> a three hour chunk of sleep takes place between 1 A.M. and 4 A.M. Then,
    three 20 minute naps occur throughout the day at 9am, 2pm, and 9pm. That’s >> around 4.5 hours of sleep daily.

    That might work okay for loners who have few regular interactions
    with other human beings and are capable of immediately going to
    sleep when they try. A rather small group I would think.

    Good point. I'm still vitally connnected with many, many people and
    my brain is such that it cannot be simply switched off like that.
    Also, I'm a light sleeper.

    You know, a major factor one will encounter when trying to sleep
    at different times during the day is: what OTHER people do
    who do not sleep during the day (and make lots of noise).

    Another good pragmatic point.


    So what’s the science behind this radical system? Unfortunately, no
    long-term research has been conducted, yet. One 2007 study, published in
    the Journal of Sleep Research, found that most animals sleep on a
    polyphasic schedule, rather getting their sleep all at once.

    While I find that interesting (and have long been aware of it),
    it's also notable that "most animals" don't have a social culture
    anywhere near as complex as human culture.

    And most animals still have bigger animals who catch and eat them or
    hurt them and therefore polyphasic sleep fits well with survival. On
    the other hand, domestic animals can sleep uninterrupted because the
    threat to survival no longer exists in most households.



    This also
    begs the question, how much sleep does the human brain need to function
    properly? The answer is unknown.

    Sleep is broken into three cycles. There is light sleep, deep sleep, and
    rapid eye movement (REM) sleep. The last one is considered the most
    important and restful of phases. We don’t stay in any one phase for long. >> Instead, we cycle through these constantly throughout the night. So with
    polyphasic sleep, the idea is to experience these three phases in shorter
    amounts of time, and wake up rested.

    If REM really is the most important and restful phase (not sure
    that's true), it's interesting to observe the result from sleep
    labs that REM phases become *longer* the longer one sleeps.
    This leads one to question the benefit of shorter REM phases.

    I agree that REM doesn't seem intuitively to be the most restful
    phase. I would think deep sleep is the most restful phase because the
    mind is almost totally inert at this point and repairs and other
    necessary functions can proceed unimpeded. REM is a dream phase and
    that implies interruptions to self repair.

    Your concluding point, even though unreferenced, is another good
    point.


    We don't know the exact purpose of these phases. Sleep is still something
    of a mystery. Without a good understanding, it’s difficult to quantify the >> impact a polyphasic schedule has. One question is whether such a schedule
    allows for enough REM sleep. Polyphasic practitioners say they are able to >> enter the REM phase quickly, more so than with a monophasic style. Jost
    for example, claimed he could enter REM sleep immediately. This quick
    entry into the REM state is known as “repartitioning.” The deprivation of
    sleep may help the body enter REM quickly, as an adaptation.

    Another question arises as to the effects of severely decreasing
    or eliminating the "deep sleep phase" N-REM2. ?? One cannot just
    assume that only the REM stage is vital.

    (Also, don't forget my theory that DILD initiated during the
    light sleep stage is probably very similar to or the same as WILD.)

    Hmmm. To esoteric for me.



    So what are the downsides of this altered sleep cycle? Boredom and a
    limited social life. For those who want to go out drinking with friends,
    stay up late watching movies, or spend time with the kids, the drastic
    schedule change can cause problems. It has to be rigidly kept to work.
    Another concern, some studies have shown that those who sleep under five
    or six hours per night may have a higher risk of cardiovascular disease
    and lower immune system functioning.

    Another concern is the long-term effects. What happens to a person
    who sleeps polyphasically for 50 years? It will take much time to know, >assuming it's even possible to get many people to do it for that long.

    I think they would be fucked in many ways - both overt and subtle.


    Some argue that sleep theories just don’t account for human diversity in >> needs. For instance, some insomniacs have praised a polyphasic style for
    helping them regain the ability to sleep. At issue is the lack of data.

    There probably are significant individual differences in the
    best ways to sleep. What we already know about variance suggests it.

    Actually I can see intuitively how polyphasic sleep is much better
    than no sleep (insomnia). I would think that in fact insomnia is a
    form of polyphasic sleep where the phases are harmfully short.


    But of course, anyone who is considering seriously taking part in such a
    style should consult a physician and keep in touch with him or her
    regularly, throughout the process.

    LOL. Can you see many ordinary doctors really wanting to receive
    regular reports from patients on their sleep schedules? :)
    "Oh yeah, great." There always have to be disclaimers like this... :)

    Lol. Not the public health doctors in my country. They're too intent
    on rolling the patients through on Medicare in 15 minute segments...


    How people sleep and how much they need varies widely.

    Duh.

    This may or may not
    have a genetic component.

    Duh.

    More research on sleep may help us to determine
    what our brain and body needs, and how we can adjust our sleep patterns to >> get the most out of our day, without sacrificing our health.

    Triple duh.

    Yes, it's complex. To tease out genetic components will require
    a significant amount of data. Then you'll have the usual need to
    try to discern the importance of genetics vs. environmental factors.
    It will probably take quite some time to draw major conclusions.

    More importantly this sort of experimentation can do harm. And the interrelationships between exercise and sleep are ignored. I'll post
    some recent studies separately because this thread is already too
    long.



    ---
    This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)