i'm playing with Lennon's line here.
if you have been paying attention for
about 20 years or so this is what i do.
I just do it for the fun of it. That's it.
I get you hooked with something you know
very well and then i take off with it.
It's like a continuation of what the writer
was saying. "No bullshit" to believe is
my stab at religion. To me it is bullshit.
So those two lines are actually very different
lines, i just kind of hooked them together.
I am very guilty of doing that. I know it
throws everyone for a loop most of the time.
And i am too lazy to go into details to explain
everytime. Just having fun here boss. :)
he was just making sure i wasn't full of shit.
everyone needs a verbal enema from time to time
i guess. no harm no foul, keep on truckin'.
i'm playing with Lennon's line here.
if you have been paying attention for
about 20 years or so this is what i do.
I just do it for the fun of it. That's it.
I get you hooked with something you know
very well and then i take off with it.
It's like a continuation of what the writer
was saying. "No bullshit" to believe is
my stab at religion. To me it is bullshit.
So those two lines are actually very different
lines, i just kind of hooked them together.
I am very guilty of doing that. I know it
throws everyone for a loop most of the time.
And i am too lazy to go into details to explain
everytime. Just having fun here boss. :)
How do we know? You have to
*believe* in the evidence that's in support of a fact, and you
have to *believe* in the facts themselves before they matter to you.
And what are the criteria for believing that a fact is factual?
Do you think they're the same for everyone?? There are millions
of people who utterly refuse to believe in facts, either because
they're unaware of the actual evidence, or they deny it, whether
they have good reason to or not.
Have you never seen people who
refuse to acknowledge well-supported facts? I know you've seen it,
because you DO it, perhaps more than most people I've known.
Indeed, you seem to be very like Trump in the way in which you often
get adamantly hooked on believing in strange conspiracy theories,
while simultaneously denying what the evidence shows, as presented
by credible sources who are in a perfect position to know.
You often form a knee-jerk belief that somehow the facts are being
hidden. That does happen occasionally, but really not that often.
You just did it, regarding MH-17. A detailed lengthy investigation
was conducted, and the facts were found and published, but YOU,
in spite of not being in a position to know anywhere near as much
as the official investigators, still denied those facts. Iow,
you actively *refuse* to *believe* those are really the facts.
So that's a perfect example.
The point:
People need to learn how to evaluate evidence and learn how to
distinguish what constitutes credible sources of information
vs. dubious ones. You do not appear to be very good at it.
Trump isn't any good at it either. Or, he's totally dishonest.
It's hard to tell which in his case. He pushes conspiracy theories
all the time and refuses to believe in facts.
The criteria for how and when one *believes* a fact is a fact
is just as important as the criteria for determining what facts are.
No facts are absolute or "permanent". Even the most well-founded facts
are provisional, and yet... that's the best we can ever have.
Thus, beliefs are just as important as facts.
With ‘Spygate,’ Trump Shows How He Uses Conspiracy Theoriesfor years, Mr. Trump pushed the notion that President Barack Obama had been born
to Erode Trust
May 28, 2018
WASHINGTON — As a candidate, Donald J. Trump claimed that the United States government had known in advance about the Sept. 11 attacks. He hinted that Antonin Scalia, a Supreme Court justice who died in his sleep two years ago, had been murdered. And
None of that was true.Clinton, win — a scheme he branded “Spygate.” It was the latest indication that a
Last week, President Trump promoted new, unconfirmed accusations to suit his political narrative: that a “criminal deep state” element within Mr. Obama’s government planted a spy deep inside his presidential campaign to help his rival, Hillary
Now that he is president, Mr. Trump’s baseless stories of secret plots by powerful interests appear to be having a distinct effect. Among critics, they have fanned fears that he is eroding public trust in institutions, undermining the idea ofobjective truth and sowing widespread suspicions about the government and news media that
“The effect on the life of the nation of a president inventing conspiracy theories in order to distract attention from legitimate investigations or otherthings he dislikes is corrosive,” said Jon Meacham, a presidential historian and biographer. “
The effects were evident in Washington on Thursday, when the Justice Department held a pair of unusual briefings with lawmakers to share sensitive information about the special counsel investigation into Russia’s meddling inthe 2016 election and
But Mr. Trump’s willingness to peddle suspicion as fact has implications beyond the Russia inquiry. It is a vital ingredient in the president’s communications arsenal, a social media-fueled, brashly expressed narrative of dubious accusations anddark insinuations that allows him to promote his own version of reality.
Students of Mr. Trump’s life and communication style argue that the idea of conspiracies is a vital part of his strategy to avoid accountability and punch back at detractors, real or perceived, including the news media.t believe anything that you read or see. He has sold us a whole way of accepting a
“He’s the blame shifter in chief,” said Gwenda Blair, a Trump biographer. “Conspiracies, by definition, are things that others do to you. You’re being duped; you’re being fooled; the world is laughing at us. It goes to this idea that you can
Like most conspiracy theories, Mr. Trump’s latest has a kernel of truth manyRepublicans have latched on to. Several news organizations, including The New York Times, have reported that an F.B.I. informant contacted Trump campaign aides who evidence
In Mr. Trump’s telling, however, the informant was a spy sent by Mr. Obama and a cabal inside his Justice Department and the intelligence community who were bent on stopping his candidacy.embarrass him, said paranoia predisposed him to believe in nefarious, hidden forces driving events. But they also said political opportunism informed his promotion of
Former aides to the president, speaking privately because they did not want to
But Mr. Trump saw that it played well in the conservative news media, and so in November, he began using it, the two aides said. The strategy appears to have yielded results. Several polls have shown a dip in public approval of the special counselinvestigation over the past several months, as the president has repeatedly attacked
Sam Nunberg, a former Trump aide who worked for him when he began championing false claims about Mr. Obama’s birthplace, said the president was reflecting the media that fueled his core supporters.said Mr. Nunberg, who disputed that “Spygate” qualified as a conspiracy theory.
“In the new media landscape, InfoWars and Fox News are where the president’s getting his support, and these theories are promulgated there,”
Mr. Trump’s talk of conspiracies has also gained currency within a Republican Party establishment that once shunned it.of America,” Mr.
During the 2016 campaign, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, denounced Mr. Trump’s talk of the government hiding the real story about Sept. 11. “That’s something that really only comes from the kook part
Mr. Graham said he had also been highly skeptical when Mr. Trump insisted lastyear that Mr. Obama had tapped his phones in Trump Tower, a stunning assertion for which he offered no proof.
“I thought, ‘Well, that doesn’t seem right to me,’” Mr. Graham said last week. But, he noted, it was later revealed that one of Mr. Trump’s former campaign associates, Carter Page, had in fact been under surveillance. And on “Spygate,”the senator added, “There seems to be something to this one. I want to find out: Did it happen?
Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas, distanced himself from the president’s sinister language, but not necessarily the questions he had raised about the informant. “I wouldn’t describe it the way he described it,” Mr. Cornyn said. “Confidential informant? Spy? I guess he can use his own words.”
Then, like many lawmakers who once denounced the president’s assaults on lawenforcement agencies, Mr. Cornyn gave the president a level of validation, saying it was worth knowing what the F.B.I.’s “motivation” was in the inquiry into the Trump
Mr. Trump is not the first public figure to charge that he is the subject of ashadowy plot. Mrs. Clinton memorably declared during impeachment proceedings against her husband, Bill Clinton, that they were the victims of a “vast, right-wing conspiracy,
Mr. Meacham pointed to an 1866 speech at a tumultuous moment of post-Civil WarReconstruction, in which President Andrew Johnson said that his political enemies were plotting to assassinate him. President Richard M. Nixon believed that an elitist cabal
Erick Erickson, the founder of the conservative website RedState, who once described Mr. Trump as a “walking, talking National Enquirer,” said the president’s invented stories also speak to the public’s desire to have an easy explanation forevents it cannot control.
“A lot of people really want to believe a conspiracy because it’s a lot easier to think a malevolent force is in charge than that our government is runby idiots,” Mr. Erickson said in an interview.
Representative Peter T. King, a New York Republican who is sometimes a critic of Mr. Trump, said one need not believe in conspiracies to recognize that the president was onto something with his seemingly far-fetched charges.Mr. Trump as enemies bent on his destruction. “I don’t think it’s a grand conspiracy. I just think they were living in an echo chamber and believed the worst.”
“I do believe that people like Clapper, to some extent Comey, they had this bias against him,” Mr. King said, naming James R. Clapper Jr., the former director of national intelligence, and James B. Comey, the former F.B.I. director, both viewed by
But even as he took issue with the president’s framing, Mr. King marveled athow the president has bent the discourse to his own views, transforming the term “deep state” into “almost a metaphor for a group in society that doesn’t understand
“He has a talent for getting a point across using hyperbole,” Mr. King said, adding, “There’s no doubt he has changed the debate.”
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Trump and his supporters are wonderful examples of the importance of >*belief*, and of how people blow it when they do not have rigorous
standards for determining what they believe and how they evaluate evidence.
.
Keep on keepin' on...
Keep on keepin' on...
and who was it that won the Indy 500
this year? An Aussie drove it home
to the tune of 2.5 million dollars.
was smart pit work by that Penske team.
And came back and won the race.
That's Will Power for ya.
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