• Re: remember fun? sure you do

    From waltkowaski@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, May 29, 2018 20:30:36
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    he was just making sure i wasn't full of shit.

    everyone needs a verbal enema from time to time
    i guess. no harm no foul, keep on truckin'.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, May 30, 2018 02:02:10
    From: slider@anashram.com

    i'm playing with Lennon's line here.
    if you have been paying attention for
    about 20 years or so this is what i do.
    I just do it for the fun of it. That's it.
    I get you hooked with something you know
    very well and then i take off with it.
    It's like a continuation of what the writer
    was saying. "No bullshit" to believe is
    my stab at religion. To me it is bullshit.
    So those two lines are actually very different
    lines, i just kind of hooked them together.
    I am very guilty of doing that. I know it
    throws everyone for a loop most of the time.
    And i am too lazy to go into details to explain
    everytime. Just having fun here boss. :)

    ### - heh well apparently you did far more than that! :)

    you bad-boy you! (actually laffing...) you quite successfully caught the joke-ball i so casually tossed out and merely joked (contextually and thus correctly) back with me! thus proving you at least gots my point! and THAT
    was your heinous CRIME against the jeremy! lol :)))

    i mean, what'sup with that?? nada!

    doesn't mean you totally 'believe' (or agree) what we were joking about,
    we was just tossing a funny ball around that took unexpected + rather
    amusing turns was all! and somehow jeremy was totally threatened by that?? enough to jump on ya for it?? riiiight... (i thought he was only kidding
    at first coz he started out with a pointed joke, but realise now it was
    all only an attempt to wound you/fuck with your mind coz you wuz havin'
    fun of the 'wrong' order! LOL)

    lol i personally thought your lennon pun was totally funny AND completely appropriate! and also totally correct in the context *i* had
    meant/intended it anyways! you were merely echoing my thoughts back in an evolved + rather amusing manner was all! and was a very intelligent remark
    at that! (perhaps that's what he actually took objection to? hmm...) very amusingly paraphrasing it!

    plus so what if you caught the gist of it and joked correctly back ffs??
    is that against the rule of jeremy law now??

    don't tell me ya feel guilty now 'coz jeremy took such objection to the 'implications' of it??

    lol pay no attention! that's HIS problem if he can't handle simple shit
    like that?! :)

    his whole point is ridiculous anyway! utterly! especially in the context
    we were horsing around with?

    lol chris, you DIDN'T do ANYTHING wrong! n a d a!

    not a goddamn thing, plus he's got no right to yell at you jus' 'coz HE
    doesn't like the sound of something you're playin' around with lol :)

    (jeremy yelling at chris: hey dumbo! stop letting yourself consider weird
    shit EVEN IF it's funny!? and 'coz snif it really offends me! lol)

    riiiiight... :)

    you don't have the RIGHT to tell people WHAT to think jeremy!

    to coolly argue/debate it yes, you have that right, but not to use
    violence just to get your own way?! fuck off with that shit!

    besides; such behaviour is unconscionably right-wing dictator shit! :)

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  • From waltkowaski@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, May 29, 2018 16:24:44
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    i'm playing with Lennon's line here.
    if you have been paying attention for
    about 20 years or so this is what i do.
    I just do it for the fun of it. That's it.
    I get you hooked with something you know
    very well and then i take off with it.
    It's like a continuation of what the writer
    was saying. "No bullshit" to believe is
    my stab at religion. To me it is bullshit.
    So those two lines are actually very different
    lines, i just kind of hooked them together.
    I am very guilty of doing that. I know it
    throws everyone for a loop most of the time.
    And i am too lazy to go into details to explain
    everytime. Just having fun here boss. :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, May 30, 2018 06:08:18
    From: slider@anashram.com

    he was just making sure i wasn't full of shit.

    ### - you knew that, i knew that...

    how come he didn't know that? :)



    everyone needs a verbal enema from time to time
    i guess. no harm no foul, keep on truckin'.

    ### - deliberately put the mockers on our jocular conversation/exchange
    didn't he?

    so we 'needed' that did we? because of 'what' we were talking/joking
    about??

    he's your self-appointed thought police? protecting you from yourself??

    nah man, can't possibly ever accept that, something defo not right there...

    it's not... reasonable?!

    lol it's total... bs! :D

    ...now then, back to our conversation...

    so do ya think when jc comes back he'll be able to explain how
    the assemblage point actually works? ;) LOL

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to waltkowaski on Wednesday, May 30, 2018 11:08:46
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Tuesday, May 29, 2018 at 4:24:44 PM UTC-7, waltkowaski wrote:
    i'm playing with Lennon's line here.
    if you have been paying attention for
    about 20 years or so this is what i do.
    I just do it for the fun of it. That's it.
    I get you hooked with something you know
    very well and then i take off with it.
    It's like a continuation of what the writer
    was saying. "No bullshit" to believe is
    my stab at religion. To me it is bullshit.
    So those two lines are actually very different
    lines, i just kind of hooked them together.
    I am very guilty of doing that. I know it
    throws everyone for a loop most of the time.
    And i am too lazy to go into details to explain
    everytime. Just having fun here boss. :)

    I know. :) I was making a deeper point than Lennon's obvious one:
    that everyone alive has *hundreds* (probably thousands) of beliefs,
    including you (and including Lennon). It's important to understand
    that the real issue is being able to as accurately as possible
    differentiate between beliefs that are well-founded vs. those that
    are not. And how do you do that?

    It's actually really important - fundamental even, and yet
    I don't think most people ever think very deeply about it.

    Slider, for example, didn't seem to get it, when he said:
    "'beliefs' are not real! (else, for example, they'd already be... facts?)"

    A totally naive opinion.

    That's just it - what IS 'a fact'? How do we know? You have to
    *believe* in the evidence that's in support of a fact, and you
    have to *believe* in the facts themselves before they matter to you.
    And what are the criteria for believing that a fact is factual?
    Do you think they're the same for everyone?? There are millions
    of people who utterly refuse to believe in facts, either because
    they're unaware of the actual evidence, or they deny it, whether
    they have good reason to or not. Have you never seen people who
    refuse to acknowledge well-supported facts? I know you've seen it,
    because you DO it, perhaps more than most people I've known. :)

    Indeed, you seem to be very like Trump in the way in which you often
    get adamantly hooked on believing in strange conspiracy theories,
    while simultaneously denying what the evidence shows, as presented
    by credible sources who are in a perfect position to know.

    You often form a knee-jerk belief that somehow the facts are being
    hidden. That does happen occasionally, but really not that often.

    You just did it, regarding MH-17. A detailed lengthy investigation
    was conducted, and the facts were found and published, but YOU,
    in spite of not being in a position to know anywhere near as much
    as the official investigators, still denied those facts. Iow,
    you actively *refuse* to *believe* those are really the facts. :)

    So that's a perfect example.

    The point:
    People need to learn how to evaluate evidence and learn how to
    distinguish what constitutes credible sources of information
    vs. dubious ones. You do not appear to be very good at it. :)

    Trump isn't any good at it either. Or, he's totally dishonest.
    It's hard to tell which in his case. He pushes conspiracy theories
    all the time and refuses to believe in facts.

    The criteria for how and when one *believes* a fact is a fact
    is just as important as the criteria for determining what facts are.
    No facts are absolute or "permanent". Even the most well-founded facts
    are provisional, and yet... that's the best we can ever have.
    Thus, beliefs are just as important as facts. :)

    .

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Wednesday, May 30, 2018 19:49:24
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Wed, 30 May 2018 19:08:46 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    How do we know? You have to
    *believe* in the evidence that's in support of a fact, and you
    have to *believe* in the facts themselves before they matter to you.

    ### - i can 'accept' certain things without having to 'believe' in them
    duh...




    And what are the criteria for believing that a fact is factual?

    ### - provisionally factual ya mean heh :)




    Do you think they're the same for everyone?? There are millions
    of people who utterly refuse to believe in facts, either because
    they're unaware of the actual evidence, or they deny it, whether
    they have good reason to or not.

    ### - yes, they's called sceptics! lol :)))




    Have you never seen people who
    refuse to acknowledge well-supported facts? I know you've seen it,
    because you DO it, perhaps more than most people I've known.
    Indeed, you seem to be very like Trump in the way in which you often
    get adamantly hooked on believing in strange conspiracy theories,
    while simultaneously denying what the evidence shows, as presented
    by credible sources who are in a perfect position to know.

    ### - 'man-made' global warming hehehe... riiiight... :D




    You often form a knee-jerk belief that somehow the facts are being
    hidden. That does happen occasionally, but really not that often.

    ### - if it happened even 'once' there's the very credible possibility of
    it occurring again + once bitten twice shy is 'supposed' to be what it's
    all about after that heh...

    only with you it never is! :)





    You just did it, regarding MH-17. A detailed lengthy investigation
    was conducted, and the facts were found and published, but YOU,
    in spite of not being in a position to know anywhere near as much
    as the official investigators, still denied those facts. Iow,
    you actively *refuse* to *believe* those are really the facts.

    ### - because the evidence appears to be deliberately incomplete!

    crucial evidence is missing??

    plus sorry if am the only one to highlight a blatantly obvious
    contradiction between their first report and this their second?? first it
    was old missile, now it's a new missile??

    riiiight...





    So that's a perfect example.
    The point:
    People need to learn how to evaluate evidence and learn how to
    distinguish what constitutes credible sources of information
    vs. dubious ones. You do not appear to be very good at it.

    ### - hey am not the one who ended up in a series of stupid bogus cults
    tho' innit lol

    funny that eh? considering am not very good at sussing things out?

    riiiight...




    Trump isn't any good at it either. Or, he's totally dishonest.
    It's hard to tell which in his case. He pushes conspiracy theories
    all the time and refuses to believe in facts.
    The criteria for how and when one *believes* a fact is a fact
    is just as important as the criteria for determining what facts are.
    No facts are absolute or "permanent". Even the most well-founded facts
    are provisional, and yet... that's the best we can ever have.
    Thus, beliefs are just as important as facts.

    ### - and you're a trump nut! totally obsessive/compulsive on the subject! who's posted 100's & 100's of long rambling daily rants about how 'you'
    don't like him?? lol

    aww shame... now get over it! :)

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, May 30, 2018 11:19:38
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    With ‘Spygate,’ Trump Shows How He Uses Conspiracy Theories
    to Erode Trust

    May 28, 2018

    WASHINGTON — As a candidate, Donald J. Trump claimed that the United States government had known in advance about the Sept. 11 attacks. He hinted that Antonin Scalia, a Supreme Court justice who died in his sleep two years ago, had been murdered. And
    for years, Mr. Trump pushed the notion that President Barack Obama had been born in Kenya rather than Honolulu, making him ineligible for the presidency.

    None of that was true.

    Last week, President Trump promoted new, unconfirmed accusations to suit his political narrative: that a “criminal deep state” element within Mr. Obama’s government planted a spy deep inside his presidential campaign to help his rival, Hillary
    Clinton, win — a scheme he branded “Spygate.” It was the latest indication that a president who has for decades trafficked in conspiracy theories has brought them from the fringes of public discourse to the Oval Office.

    Now that he is president, Mr. Trump’s baseless stories of secret plots by powerful interests appear to be having a distinct effect. Among critics, they have fanned fears that he is eroding public trust in institutions, undermining the idea of objective
    truth and sowing widespread suspicions about the government and news media that
    mirror his own.

    “The effect on the life of the nation of a president inventing conspiracy theories in order to distract attention from legitimate investigations or other
    things he dislikes is corrosive,” said Jon Meacham, a presidential historian and biographer. “
    The diabolical brilliance of the Trump strategy of disinformation is that many people are simply going to hear the charges and countercharges, and decide that
    there must be something to them because the president of the United States is saying them.”

    The effects were evident in Washington on Thursday, when the Justice Department
    held a pair of unusual briefings with lawmakers to share sensitive information about the special counsel investigation into Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election and
    whether the Trump campaign worked with Moscow to sway the contest. Those sessions came about because the president publicly hectored the department to cough up information about an F.B.I. informant he branded a political spy against him.

    But Mr. Trump’s willingness to peddle suspicion as fact has implications beyond the Russia inquiry. It is a vital ingredient in the president’s communications arsenal, a social media-fueled, brashly expressed narrative of dubious accusations and dark
    insinuations that allows him to promote his own version of reality.

    Students of Mr. Trump’s life and communication style argue that the idea of conspiracies is a vital part of his strategy to avoid accountability and punch back at detractors, real or perceived, including the news media.

    “He’s the blame shifter in chief,” said Gwenda Blair, a Trump biographer.
    “Conspiracies, by definition, are things that others do to you. You’re being duped; you’re being fooled; the world is laughing at us. It goes to this idea that you can
    t believe anything that you read or see. He has sold us a whole way of accepting a narrative that has so many layers of unaccountable, unsubstantiated
    content that you can’t possibly peel it all back.”

    Like most conspiracy theories, Mr. Trump’s latest has a kernel of truth many Republicans have latched on to. Several news organizations, including The New York Times, have reported that an F.B.I. informant contacted Trump campaign aides who evidence
    suggested had had suspicious contacts with Russians in 2016 as part of a counterintelligence investigation into possible efforts by Moscow to meddle in the election.

    In Mr. Trump’s telling, however, the informant was a spy sent by Mr. Obama and a cabal inside his Justice Department and the intelligence community who were bent on stopping his candidacy.

    Former aides to the president, speaking privately because they did not want to embarrass him, said paranoia predisposed him to believe in nefarious, hidden forces driving events. But they also said political opportunism informed his promotion of
    conspiracy theories. For instance, two former aides said Mr. Trump had resisted
    using the term “deep state” for months, partly because he believed it made him look too much like a crank.

    But Mr. Trump saw that it played well in the conservative news media, and so in
    November, he began using it, the two aides said. The strategy appears to have yielded results. Several polls have shown a dip in public approval of the special counsel
    investigation over the past several months, as the president has repeatedly attacked it. And a Monmouth Poll released in March found that a bipartisan majority believes an unelected “deep state” is manipulating national policy.

    Sam Nunberg, a former Trump aide who worked for him when he began championing false claims about Mr. Obama’s birthplace, said the president was reflecting the media that fueled his core supporters.

    “In the new media landscape, InfoWars and Fox News are where the president’s getting his support, and these theories are promulgated there,”
    said Mr. Nunberg, who disputed that “Spygate” qualified as a conspiracy theory.

    Mr. Trump’s talk of conspiracies has also gained currency within a Republican
    Party establishment that once shunned it.

    During the 2016 campaign, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina,
    denounced Mr. Trump’s talk of the government hiding the real story about Sept. 11. “That’s something that really only comes from the kook part of America,” Mr. Graham
    said at the time.

    Mr. Graham said he had also been highly skeptical when Mr. Trump insisted last year that Mr. Obama had tapped his phones in Trump Tower, a stunning assertion for which he offered no proof.

    “I thought, ‘Well, that doesn’t seem right to me,’” Mr. Graham said last week. But, he noted, it was later revealed that one of Mr. Trump’s former campaign associates, Carter Page, had in fact been under surveillance. And on “Spygate,”
    the senator added, “There seems to be something to this one. I want to find out: Did it happen? Is there a good reason?”

    Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas, distanced himself from the president’s sinister language, but not necessarily the questions he had raised about the informant. “I wouldn’t describe it the way he described it,” Mr. Cornyn said. “
    Confidential informant? Spy? I guess he can use his own words.”

    Then, like many lawmakers who once denounced the president’s assaults on law enforcement agencies, Mr. Cornyn gave the president a level of validation, saying it was worth knowing what the F.B.I.’s “motivation” was in the inquiry into the Trump
    campaign.

    Mr. Trump is not the first public figure to charge that he is the subject of a shadowy plot. Mrs. Clinton memorably declared during impeachment proceedings against her husband, Bill Clinton, that they were the victims of a “vast, right-wing conspiracy,
    although the president himself never used the word at the time.

    Mr. Meacham pointed to an 1866 speech at a tumultuous moment of post-Civil War Reconstruction, in which President Andrew Johnson said that his political enemies were plotting to assassinate him. President Richard M. Nixon believed that an elitist cabal
    led by Ivy League-educated denizens of Georgetown and Washington Post journalists was working secretly to bring him down. Both presidents, Mr. Meacham noted, were self-made men who harbored deep insecurities, not unlike the current Oval Office occupant.

    Erick Erickson, the founder of the conservative website RedState, who once described Mr. Trump as a “walking, talking National Enquirer,” said the president’s invented stories also speak to the public’s desire to have an easy explanation for
    events it cannot control.

    “A lot of people really want to believe a conspiracy because it’s a lot easier to think a malevolent force is in charge than that our government is run
    by idiots,” Mr. Erickson said in an interview.

    Representative Peter T. King, a New York Republican who is sometimes a critic of Mr. Trump, said one need not believe in conspiracies to recognize that the president was onto something with his seemingly far-fetched charges.

    “I do believe that people like Clapper, to some extent Comey, they had this bias against him,” Mr. King said, naming James R. Clapper Jr., the former director of national intelligence, and James B. Comey, the former F.B.I. director, both viewed by Mr.
    Trump as enemies bent on his destruction. “I don’t think it’s a grand conspiracy. I just think they were living in an echo chamber and believed the worst.”

    But even as he took issue with the president’s framing, Mr. King marveled at how the president has bent the discourse to his own views, transforming the term “deep state” into “almost a metaphor for a group in society that doesn’t understand
    real people, forgotten people, and are willing to use their power to stop Trump.”

    “He has a talent for getting a point across using hyperbole,” Mr. King said, adding, “There’s no doubt he has changed the debate.”

    ***

    Trump and his supporters are wonderful examples of the importance of
    *belief*, and of how people blow it when they do not have rigorous
    standards for determining what they believe and how they evaluate evidence.

    .

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Friday, June 01, 2018 18:22:40
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Wed, 30 May 2018 11:19:38 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan" <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    With ‘Spygate,’ Trump Shows How He Uses Conspiracy Theories
    to Erode Trust

    May 28, 2018

    WASHINGTON — As a candidate, Donald J. Trump claimed that the United States government had known in advance about the Sept. 11 attacks. He hinted that Antonin Scalia, a Supreme Court justice who died in his sleep two years ago, had been murdered. And
    for years, Mr. Trump pushed the notion that President Barack Obama had been born
    in Kenya rather than Honolulu, making him ineligible for the presidency.

    None of that was true.

    Last week, President Trump promoted new, unconfirmed accusations to suit his political narrative: that a “criminal deep state” element within Mr. Obama’s government planted a spy deep inside his presidential campaign to help his rival, Hillary
    Clinton, win — a scheme he branded “Spygate.” It was the latest indication that a
    president who has for decades trafficked in conspiracy theories has brought them from the fringes of public discourse to the Oval Office.

    Now that he is president, Mr. Trump’s baseless stories of secret plots by powerful interests appear to be having a distinct effect. Among critics, they have fanned fears that he is eroding public trust in institutions, undermining the idea of
    objective truth and sowing widespread suspicions about the government and news media that
    mirror his own.

    “The effect on the life of the nation of a president inventing conspiracy theories in order to distract attention from legitimate investigations or other
    things he dislikes is corrosive,” said Jon Meacham, a presidential historian and biographer. “
    The diabolical brilliance of the Trump strategy of disinformation is that many people are simply going to hear the charges and countercharges, and decide that
    there must be something to them because the president of the United States is saying them.”

    The effects were evident in Washington on Thursday, when the Justice Department held a pair of unusual briefings with lawmakers to share sensitive information about the special counsel investigation into Russia’s meddling in
    the 2016 election and
    whether the Trump campaign worked with Moscow to sway the contest. Those sessions
    came about because the president publicly hectored the department to cough up information about an F.B.I. informant he branded a political spy against him.

    But Mr. Trump’s willingness to peddle suspicion as fact has implications beyond the Russia inquiry. It is a vital ingredient in the president’s communications arsenal, a social media-fueled, brashly expressed narrative of dubious accusations and
    dark insinuations that allows him to promote his own version of reality.

    Students of Mr. Trump’s life and communication style argue that the idea of conspiracies is a vital part of his strategy to avoid accountability and punch back at detractors, real or perceived, including the news media.

    “He’s the blame shifter in chief,” said Gwenda Blair, a Trump biographer. “Conspiracies, by definition, are things that others do to you. You’re being duped; you’re being fooled; the world is laughing at us. It goes to this idea that you can
    t believe anything that you read or see. He has sold us a whole way of accepting a
    narrative that has so many layers of unaccountable, unsubstantiated content that you can’t possibly peel it all back.”

    Like most conspiracy theories, Mr. Trump’s latest has a kernel of truth many
    Republicans have latched on to. Several news organizations, including The New York Times, have reported that an F.B.I. informant contacted Trump campaign aides who evidence
    suggested had had suspicious contacts with Russians in 2016 as part of a counterintelligence investigation into possible efforts by Moscow to meddle in the election.

    In Mr. Trump’s telling, however, the informant was a spy sent by Mr. Obama and a cabal inside his Justice Department and the intelligence community who were bent on stopping his candidacy.

    Former aides to the president, speaking privately because they did not want to
    embarrass him, said paranoia predisposed him to believe in nefarious, hidden forces driving events. But they also said political opportunism informed his promotion of
    conspiracy theories. For instance, two former aides said Mr. Trump had resisted
    using
    the term “deep state” for months, partly because he believed it made him look too much like a crank.

    But Mr. Trump saw that it played well in the conservative news media, and so in November, he began using it, the two aides said. The strategy appears to have yielded results. Several polls have shown a dip in public approval of the special counsel
    investigation over the past several months, as the president has repeatedly attacked
    it. And a Monmouth Poll released in March found that a bipartisan majority believes an unelected “deep state” is manipulating national policy.

    Sam Nunberg, a former Trump aide who worked for him when he began championing false claims about Mr. Obama’s birthplace, said the president was reflecting the media that fueled his core supporters.

    “In the new media landscape, InfoWars and Fox News are where the president’s getting his support, and these theories are promulgated there,”
    said Mr. Nunberg, who disputed that “Spygate” qualified as a conspiracy theory.

    Mr. Trump’s talk of conspiracies has also gained currency within a Republican Party establishment that once shunned it.

    During the 2016 campaign, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, denounced Mr. Trump’s talk of the government hiding the real story about Sept. 11. “That’s something that really only comes from the kook part
    of America,” Mr.
    Graham said at the time.

    Mr. Graham said he had also been highly skeptical when Mr. Trump insisted last
    year that Mr. Obama had tapped his phones in Trump Tower, a stunning assertion for which he offered no proof.

    “I thought, ‘Well, that doesn’t seem right to me,’” Mr. Graham said last week. But, he noted, it was later revealed that one of Mr. Trump’s former campaign associates, Carter Page, had in fact been under surveillance. And on “Spygate,”
    the senator added, “There seems to be something to this one. I want to find out: Did it happen?
    Is there a good reason?”

    Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas, distanced himself from the president’s sinister language, but not necessarily the questions he had raised about the informant. “I wouldn’t describe it the way he described it,” Mr. Cornyn said. “
    Confidential informant? Spy? I guess he can use his own words.”

    Then, like many lawmakers who once denounced the president’s assaults on law
    enforcement agencies, Mr. Cornyn gave the president a level of validation, saying it was worth knowing what the F.B.I.’s “motivation” was in the inquiry into the Trump
    campaign.

    Mr. Trump is not the first public figure to charge that he is the subject of a
    shadowy plot. Mrs. Clinton memorably declared during impeachment proceedings against her husband, Bill Clinton, that they were the victims of a “vast, right-wing conspiracy,
    ” although the president himself never used the word at the time.

    Mr. Meacham pointed to an 1866 speech at a tumultuous moment of post-Civil War
    Reconstruction, in which President Andrew Johnson said that his political enemies were plotting to assassinate him. President Richard M. Nixon believed that an elitist cabal
    led by Ivy League-educated denizens of Georgetown and Washington Post journalists was working secretly to bring him down. Both presidents, Mr. Meacham noted, were self-made men who harbored deep insecurities, not unlike the current Oval Office occupant.

    Erick Erickson, the founder of the conservative website RedState, who once described Mr. Trump as a “walking, talking National Enquirer,” said the president’s invented stories also speak to the public’s desire to have an easy explanation for
    events it cannot control.

    “A lot of people really want to believe a conspiracy because it’s a lot easier to think a malevolent force is in charge than that our government is run
    by idiots,” Mr. Erickson said in an interview.

    Representative Peter T. King, a New York Republican who is sometimes a critic of Mr. Trump, said one need not believe in conspiracies to recognize that the president was onto something with his seemingly far-fetched charges.

    “I do believe that people like Clapper, to some extent Comey, they had this bias against him,” Mr. King said, naming James R. Clapper Jr., the former director of national intelligence, and James B. Comey, the former F.B.I. director, both viewed by
    Mr. Trump as enemies bent on his destruction. “I don’t think it’s a grand conspiracy. I just think they were living in an echo chamber and believed the worst.”

    But even as he took issue with the president’s framing, Mr. King marveled at
    how the president has bent the discourse to his own views, transforming the term “deep state” into “almost a metaphor for a group in society that doesn’t understand
    real people, forgotten people, and are willing to use their power to stop Trump.”

    “He has a talent for getting a point across using hyperbole,” Mr. King said, adding, “There’s no doubt he has changed the debate.”

    ***

    Trump and his supporters are wonderful examples of the importance of >*belief*, and of how people blow it when they do not have rigorous
    standards for determining what they believe and how they evaluate evidence.

    Another of your interminable articles.

    What you and the Cali community and a lot of other demographics in the
    US don't realise is that Trump will survive all this shit and come out
    the other end intact. He's that sort of person, teflon, thick hide,
    connected and wealthy.

    And he doesn't give a shit. He really doesn't care what you or the
    other leftists and centre leftists think, he's more libertarian than
    fascist and more capitalist than socialist so things are really gonna
    change in your country.

    I reckon the man can't put a foot wrong and a lot of the less vocal demographics in your country reckon the same. Let me tell you what
    he's done to us in Australia:

    1. He's recognised us for the good fucking friends we are to
    America. We are the only country which has stood by the US in every
    war its fought since WW2. Not even Canada has done that.

    2. He's grateful for our continuing gratitude for literally
    helping us to save ourselves from the Japanese in WW2. The Brits
    didn't do that for us, but we fought for them in North Africa against
    Rommel. The Yanks lost lots of dead over us...

    3. He's just imposed tariffs on metals from Europe and Canada and
    Mexico, but not us. We've voluntariliy agreed to sell less aluminum
    and steel to the US, which is ok for us because we've got most of the
    world's alumina and iron.

    4. He's right on track to scare Kim Jong Un shitless and brought
    him to the bargaining table, nukes are entirely off the menu, thanks
    to the Don and his unpredictable ways.

    Keep on keepin' on...


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  • From waltkowaski@1:229/2 to All on Friday, June 01, 2018 06:17:53
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    Keep on keepin' on...

    and who was it that won the Indy 500
    this year? An Aussie drove it home
    to the tune of 2.5 million dollars.
    was smart pit work by that Penske team.
    And came back and won the race.
    That's Will Power for ya.

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to allreadydun@gmail.com on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 07:21:06
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 06:17:53 -0700 (PDT), waltkowaski
    <allreadydun@gmail.com> wrote:


    Keep on keepin' on...

    and who was it that won the Indy 500
    this year? An Aussie drove it home
    to the tune of 2.5 million dollars.
    was smart pit work by that Penske team.
    And came back and won the race.
    That's Will Power for ya.

    You like your bikes don't you? Freedom man :)

    This guy's another Aussie competitor well known in F1:

    http://danielricciardo.com/

    I live near young Daniel's parents. Nice area here. He grew up here
    - when people move here, as we did 20 years ago from the beachfront,
    they rarely move out. We're surrounded by lakes and birds and trees.

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