• Re: Crossfire Hurricane

    From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to Jeremy H. Denisovan on Thursday, May 17, 2018 13:09:04
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 11:55:31 AM UTC-7, Jeremy H. Denisovan wrote:

    What a dishonest asshole.

    Former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson recently made it clear to an
    audience of young, military graduates what he thinks of the man who
    he had to pretend to respect for the last year and a half:

    Speaking to soon-to-be graduates of the Virginia Military Institute
    on Wednesday, Tillerson dropped this truth bomb:

    "If our leaders seek to conceal the truth, or we as people become
    accepting of alternative realities that are no longer grounded
    in facts, then we as American citizens are on a pathway to
    relinquishing our freedom."

    There was no doubt Tillerson was speaking about Trump, whose delusional pathology Tillerson obviously now views as a threat to the country:

    "A responsibility of every American citizen to each other is to
    preserve and protect our freedom by recognizing what truth is and
    is not, what a fact is and is not and begin by holding ourselves
    accountable to truthfulness and demand our pursuit of America's future
    be fact-based -- not based on wishful thinking, not hoped-for outcomes
    made in shallow promises, but with a clear-eyed view of the facts as
    they are, and guided by the truth that will set us free to seek
    solutions to our most daunting challenges."

    He also warned about a “crisis of ethics and integrity in our society
    and among our leaders,” again unmistakably referring to Trump.

    But a crisis is something unexpected. Tillerson walked into Trump’s
    cesspool with his eyes wide open. It wasn’t a “crisis” he was witnessing but an ongoing sickness. His responsibility to the country he purports
    to care about was not to call that out after the fact but denounce it immediately. Which is why the reaction to his speech has mostly been,
    “too little too late.”

    ***

    Trump's own former appointed Secretary of State calls Trump
    "a crisis of ethics and integrity".

    He's totally right, too. Even Trump's own appointed cabinet member -
    a super-rich Republican oil executive raised in Texas and Oklahoma -
    clearly sees Trump's corruption. If THAT guy can see it anyone can. :)

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  • From Jeremy H. Donovan@1:229/2 to All on Friday, May 18, 2018 09:21:26
    From: jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com

    And let's not forget about all those business conflicts of interest...

    ***

    Did China Just Bribe Trump to Undermine National Security?
    By Paul Krugman

    May 17, 2018

    Did the president of the United States just betray the nation’s security in return for a bribe from the Chinese government?

    Don’t say that this suggestion is ridiculous: Given everything we know about Donald Trump, it’s well within the bounds of possibility, even plausibility.

    Don’t say there’s no proof: We’re not talking about a court of law, where
    the accused are presumed innocent until proved guilty. Where the behavior of high officials is concerned, the standard is very nearly the opposite: They’re supposed to
    avoid situations in which there is even a hint that their actions might be motivated by personal gain.

    Oh, and don’t say that it doesn’t matter one way or the other, because the Republicans who control Congress won’t do anything about it. That in itself is a key part of the story: An entire political party — a party that has historically wrapped
    itself in the flag and questioned the patriotism of its opponents — has become entirely complaisant in the possibility of raw corruption, even if it involves payoffs from hostile foreign powers.

    The story so far: In the past few years ZTE, a Chinese electronics company that, among other things, makes cheap smartphones, has gotten into repeated trouble with the U.S. government. Many of its products contain U.S. technology — technology that, by
    law, must not be exported to embargoed nations, including North Korea and Iran.
    But ZTE was circumventing the ban.

    Initially, the company was fined $1.2 billion. Then, when it became clear that the company had rewarded rather than punished the executives involved, the Commerce Department forbade U.S. technology companies from selling components to ZTE for the next
    seven years.

    And two weeks ago the Pentagon banned sales of ZTE phones on military bases, following warnings from intelligence agencies that the Chinese government may be using the company’s products to conduct espionage.

    All of which made it very strange indeed to see Trump suddenly declare that he was working with President Xi of China to help save ZTE — “Too many jobs in
    China lost” — and that he was ordering the Commerce Department to make it happen.

    It’s possible that Trump was just trying to offer an olive branch amid what looks like a possible trade war. But why choose such a flagrant example of Chinese misbehavior? Which was why many eyes turned to Indonesia, where a Chinese state-owned company
    just announced a big investment in a project in which the Trump Organization has a substantial stake.

    That investment, by the way, is part of the Belt and Road project, a multinational infrastructure initiative China is using to reinforce its economic centrality — and geopolitical influence — across Eurasia.

    [Evidence:
    Trump Indonesia Real Estate Project Gets Chinese Government Ally
    http://tinyurl.com/yc7qz3s5 ]

    Meanwhile, whatever happened to that Trump infrastructure plan?

    Back to ZTE: Was there a quid pro quo? We may never know. But this wasn’t the
    first time the Trump administration made a peculiar foreign policy move that seems associated with Trump family business interests. Last year the administration, bizarrely,
    backed a Saudi blockade of Qatar, a Middle Eastern nation that also happens to be the site of a major U.S. military base. Why? Well, the move came shortly after the Qataris refused to invest $500 million in 666 Fifth Avenue, a troubled property owned by
    the family of Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law.

    And now it looks as if Qatar may be about to make a deal on 666 Fifth Avenue after all. I wonder why?

    [Evidence:
    Kushners Near Deal With Qatar-Linked Company for Troubled Tower
    http://tinyurl.com/y9hh3vd9 ]

    Step back from the details and consider the general picture. High officials have the power to reward or punish both businesses and other governments, so that undue influence is always a problem, even if it takes the form of campaign
    contributions or
    indirect financial rewards via the revolving door.

    But the problem becomes vastly worse if interested parties can simply funnel money to officials through their business holdings — and Trump and his family, by failing to divest from their international business dealings, have basically hung a sign out
    declaring themselves open to bribery (and also set the standard for the rest of
    the administration).

    And the problem of undue influence is especially severe when it comes to authoritarian foreign governments. Democracies have ethical rules of their own:
    Justin Trudeau would be in big trouble if Canada were caught funneling money to
    the Trump
    Organization. Corporations can be shamed or sued. But if Xi Jinping or Vladimir
    Putin make payoffs to U.S. politicians, who’s going to stop them?

    The main answer is supposed to be congressional oversight, which used to mean something. If there had been even a whiff of foreign payoffs to, say, Gerald Ford or Jimmy Carter, there would have been bipartisan demands for an investigation — and a high
    likelihood of impeachment.

    But today’s Republicans have made it clear that they won’t hold Trump accountable for anything, even if it borders on treason.

    All of which is to say that Trump’s corruption is only a symptom of a bigger problem: a G.O.P. that will do anything, even betray the nation, in its pursuit
    of partisan advantage.

    ***

    Let's repeat the important parts:

    "Trump and his family, by failing to divest from their international
    business dealings have basically hung a sign out declaring themselves
    open to bribery (and also set the standard for the rest of the
    administration). And the problem of undue influence is especially severe
    when it comes to authoritarian foreign governments."

    and...

    "Today’s Republicans have made it clear that they won’t hold Trump accountable for anything, even if it borders on treason."

    Trump is playing international games with big money, enriching
    *himself* and his own family members in the process. Trump is partaking
    of the old "you scratch my back I'll scratch yours" with foreign
    governments, only with *personal* gain involved for himself.

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, May 20, 2018 11:23:06
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    Trump Jr. and Other Aides Met With Gulf Emissary
    Offering Help to Win Election

    By Mark Mazzetti, Ronen Bergman and David D. Kirkpatrick
    May 19, 2018

    http://tinyurl.com/y868vg8m

    Excerpts:

    WASHINGTON — Three months before the 2016 election, a small group gathered at
    Trump Tower to meet with Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son. One was an Israeli specialist in social media manipulation. Another was an emissary
    for two wealthy
    Arab princes. The third was a Republican donor with a controversial past in the
    Middle East as a private security contractor.

    The meeting was convened primarily to offer help to the Trump team, and it forged relationships between the men and Trump insiders that would develop over
    the coming months — past the election and well into President Trump’s first
    year in office,
    according to several people with knowledge of their encounters.

    Erik Prince, the private security contractor and the former head of Blackwater,
    arranged the meeting, which took place on Aug. 3, 2016. The emissary, George Nader, told Donald Trump Jr. that the princes who led Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates
    were eager to help his father win election as president. The social media specialist, Joel Zamel, extolled his company’s ability to give an edge to a political campaign; by that time, the firm had already drawn up a multimillion-dollar proposal for a
    social media manipulation effort to help elect Mr. Trump.

    The company, which employed several Israeli former intelligence officers, specialized in collecting information and shaping opinion through social media.

    It is unclear whether such a proposal was executed, and the details of who commissioned it remain in dispute. But Donald Trump Jr. responded approvingly, according to a person with knowledge of the meeting, and after those initial offers of help, Mr.
    Nader was quickly embraced as a close ally by Trump campaign advisers — meeting frequently with Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law, and Michael T.
    Flynn, who became the president’s first national security adviser. At the time, Mr. Nader was also
    promoting a secret plan to use private contractors to destabilize Iran, the regional nemesis of Saudi Arabia and the Emirates.

    After Mr. Trump was elected, Mr. Nader paid Mr. Zamel a large sum of money, described by one associate as up to $2 million. There are conflicting accounts of the reason for the payment, but among other things, a company linked to Mr. Zamel provided Mr.
    Nader with an elaborate presentation about the significance of social media campaigning to Mr. Trump’s victory.

    The meetings, which have not been reported previously, are the first indication
    that countries other than Russia may have offered assistance to the Trump campaign in the months before the presidential election. The interactions are a
    focus of the
    investigation by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, who was originally
    tasked with examining possible Trump campaign coordination with Russia in the election.

    Mr. Nader is cooperating with the inquiry, and investigators have questioned numerous witnesses in Washington, New York, Atlanta, Tel Aviv and elsewhere about what foreign help may have been pledged or accepted, and about whether any such assistance was
    coordinated with Russia, according to witnesses and others with knowledge of the interviews.

    Erik D. Prince, the founder of Blackwater, arranged the meeting with Donald Trump Jr., George Nader and Joel Zamel.

    The interviews, some in recent weeks, are further evidence that special counsel’s investigation remains in an intense phase even as Mr. Trump’s lawyers are publicly calling for Mr. Mueller to bring it to a close.

    It is illegal for foreign governments or individuals to be involved in American
    elections, and it is unclear what — if any — direct assistance Saudi Arabia
    and the Emirates may have provided. But two people familiar with the meetings said that Trump
    campaign officials did not appear bothered by the idea of cooperation with foreigners.

    A lawyer for Donald Trump Jr., Alan Futerfas, said in a statement that “prior
    to the 2016 election, Donald Trump Jr. recalls a meeting with Erik Prince, George Nader and another individual who may be Joel Zamel. They pitched Mr. Trump Jr. on a social
    media platform or marketing strategy. He was not interested and that was the end of it.”

    The August 2016 meeting has echoes of another Trump Tower meeting two months earlier, also under scrutiny by the special counsel, when Donald Trump Jr. and other top campaign aides met with a Russian lawyer after being promised damaging information about
    Hillary Clinton. No evidence has emerged suggesting that the August meeting was
    set up with a similar premise.

    Stephen Miller, a senior aide to President Trump, was in Donald Trump Jr.’s office when the others arrived for the meeting.

    The revelations about the meetings come in the midst of new scrutiny about ties
    between Mr. Trump’s advisers and at least three wealthy Persian Gulf states. Besides his interest in Saudi Arabia and the Emirates, Mr. Mueller has also been asking
    witnesses about meetings between White House advisers and representatives of Qatar, Saudi Arabia’s bitter rival.

    Kathryn Ruemmler, a lawyer for Mr. Nader, said, “Mr. Nader has fully cooperated with the special counsel’s investigation and will continue to do so.” A senior official in Saudi Arabia said it had never employed Mr. Nader in any capacity or
    authorized him to speak for the crown prince.

    Mr. Trump has allied himself with the Emirati crown prince, Sheikh Mohammed bin
    Zayed al-Nahyan, endorsing his strong support for Saudi Arabia and confrontational approaches toward Iran and Qatar.

    Mr. Prince, through a spokesman, declined to comment. The White House did not respond to a request for comment.

    Advisers to the Court

    Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan of Abu Dhabi, the de facto ruler of the United Arab Emirates, and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia,
    the king’s main adviser, had long opposed many of the Obama administration’s policies toward
    the Middle East. They resented President Barack Obama’s agreement with Iran over its nuclear program, his statements of support for the Arab Spring uprisings and his hands-off approach to the Syrian civil war.

    News outlets linked to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates fiercely criticized Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Trump’s Democratic opponent, when she was secretary of state, and diplomats familiar with their thinking say both princes
    hoped for a president who
    would take a stronger hand in the region against both Iran and groups like the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Mr. Nader had worked for years as a close adviser to Crown Prince Mohammed of Abu Dhabi, and Mr. Zamel had worked for the Emirati royal court as a consultant
    as well. When Mr. Trump locked up the Republican presidential nomination in early 2016, Mr.
    Nader began making inquiries on behalf of the Emirati prince about possible ways to directly support Mr. Trump, according to three people with whom Mr. Nader discussed his efforts.

    One of Mr. Zamel’s firms did work for Oleg V. Deripaska, an aluminum magnate,
    who has been linked to President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.

    Mr. Nader also visited Moscow at least twice during the presidential campaign as a confidential emissary from Crown Prince Mohammed of Abu Dhabi, according to people familiar with his travels. After the election, he worked with the crown prince to
    arrange a meeting in the Seychelles between Mr. Prince and a financier close to
    President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.

    Companies connected to Mr. Zamel also have ties to Russia. One of his firms had
    previously worked for oligarchs linked to Mr. Putin, including Oleg V. Deripaska and Dmitry Rybolovlev, who hired the firm for online campaigns against their business rivals.

    Mr. Deripaska, an aluminum magnate, was once in business with the former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who has pleaded not guilty in the special counsel investigation to charges of financial crimes and failing to disclose the lobbying work he
    did on behalf of a former president of Ukraine, an ally of Mr. Putin. Mr. Rybolovlev once purchased a Florida mansion from Mr. Trump.

    Mr. Nader’s visits to Russia and the work Mr. Zamel’s companies did for the
    Russians have both been a subject of interest to the special counsel’s investigators, according to people familiar with witness interviews.

    Mr. Prince has known Mr. Nader since he worked for Blackwater in Iraq.

    A String of Meetings

    Mr. Zamel and Mr. Nader were together at a Midtown Manhattan hotel at about 4 p.m. on the afternoon of Aug. 3 when Mr. Nader received a call from Mr. Prince summoning them to Trump Tower. When they arrived, Stephen Miller, a top campaign aide who is now
    a White House adviser, was in Donald Trump Jr.’s office as well, according to
    the people familiar with the meeting.

    Mr. Prince is a longtime Republican donor and the brother of Betsy DeVos, the education secretary, and Mr. Prince and Mr. Nader had known each other since Mr. Nader had worked for Blackwater as a business agent in Iraq in the years after the American
    invasion. Mr. Prince has longstanding ties to the Emirates, and has frequently done business with Crown Prince Mohammed.

    Mr. Prince opened the meeting by telling Donald Trump Jr. that “we are working hard for your father,” in reference to his family and other donors, according to a person familiar with the meeting. He then introduced Mr. Nader as an old friend with
    deep ties to Arab leaders.

    Mr. Nader repeatedly referred to the Saudi and Emirati princes as “my friends,” according to one person with knowledge of the conversation. To underscore the point, he would open his mobile phone to show off pictures of him posing with them, some of
    which The New York Times obtained.

    Mr. Nader explained to Donald Trump Jr. that the two princes saw the elder Mr. Trump as a strong leader who would fill the power vacuum that they believed Mr.
    Obama had left in the Middle East, and Mr. Nader went on to say that he and his
    friends would
    be glad to support Mr. Trump as much as they could, according to the person with knowledge of the conversation.

    Mr. Zamel, for his part, laid out the capabilities of his online media company,
    although it is unclear whether he referred to the proposals his company had already prepared. One person familiar with the meeting said that Mr. Nader invited Donald Trump Jr.
    to meet with a Saudi prince — an invitation the younger Mr. Trump declined. After about half an hour, everyone exchanged business cards.

    “There was a brief meeting, nothing concrete was offered or pitched to anyone
    and nothing came of it,” said Mr. Mukasey, the lawyer for Mr. Zamel.

    By then, a company connected to Mr. Zamel had been working on a proposal for a covert multimillion-dollar online manipulation campaign to help elect Mr. Trump, according to three people involved and a fourth briefed on the effort. The plan involved using
    thousands of fake social media accounts to promote Mr. Trump’s candidacy on platforms like Facebook.

    There were concerns inside the company, Psy-Group, about the plan’s legality,
    according to one person familiar with the effort. The company, whose motto is “shape reality,” consulted an American law firm, and was told that it would
    be illegal if
    any non-Americans were involved in the effort.

    Mr. Zamel, the founder of Psy-Group and one of its owners, has been questioned about the August 2016 meeting by investigators for the special counsel, and at least two F.B.I. agents working on the inquiry have traveled to Israel to interview employees of
    the company who worked on the proposal. According to one person, the special counsel’s team has worked with the Israeli police to seize the computers of one of Mr. Zamel’s companies, which is currently in liquidation.

    In the hectic final weeks of the campaign and during the presidential transition, several of Mr. Trump’s advisers drew Mr. Nader close. He met often with Mr. Kushner, Mr. Flynn and Stephen K. Bannon, who took over as campaign chairman after Mr.
    Manafort resigned amid revelations about his work in Ukraine.

    ***

    Let's repeat the most important part of all that:

    "It is illegal for foreign governments or individuals to be involved
    in American elections, and it is unclear what — if any — direct
    assistance Saudi Arabia and the Emirates may have provided."

    and...

    "A company connected to Mr. Zamel had been working on a proposal
    for a covert multimillion-dollar online manipulation campaign
    to help elect Mr. Trump, according to three people involved and
    a fourth briefed on the effort. The plan involved using thousands
    of fake social media accounts to promote Mr. Trump’s candidacy
    on platforms like Facebook.

    "The company, whose motto is “shape reality,” consulted an American
    law firm, and was told that it would be illegal if any non-Americans
    were involved in the effort."

    If there IS any evidence of "direct assistance", that would be
    some of the "collusion" Trump keeps swearing doesn't exist.

    And, it is possible such evidence might exist, again:

    "According to one person, the special counsel’s team has worked with
    the Israeli police to seize the computers of one of Mr. Zamel’s companies"

    ***

    Fingers crossed on this one. :)

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, May 20, 2018 11:44:05
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    Steve Bannon tried to suppress black vote,
    Cambridge Analytica whistleblower says

    RACHEL LEAH for Salon
    MAY 18, 2018

    http://tinyurl.com/yc75jmld

    Excerpts:

    Christopher Wylie, Cambridge Analytica whistleblower and a former employee of the firm, told Congress Wednesday that the company ran voter suppression campaigns, which targeted black Americans and other liberal demographic groups.
    He said that those
    orders came from Steve Bannon, former chief executive of Donald Trump's presidential campaign, and later Chief Strategist in the Trump White House.

    "Mr. Bannon sees cultural warfare as the means to create enduring change in American politics. It was for this reason Mr. Bannon engaged SCL (Cambridge Analytica's parent company), a foreign military contractor, to build an arsenal
    of informational
    weapons he could deploy on the American population," Wylie told CNN after the hearing, adding that "voter disengagement tactics" were used to "discourage or demobilize certain types of people from voting" — specifically, African-Americans.

    Political consulting firm Cambridge Analytica was partly funded by right-wing billionaire Robert Mercer; Bannon was the firm's vice president until he joined
    the Donald Trump campaign, which then hired the firm to help win the 2016 election. In March,
    Wylie came forward and claimed that Cambridge Analytica improperly harvested personal information from some 50 million Facebook users to try to manipulate voters.

    "We exploited Facebook to harvest millions of people’s profiles," Wylie told the Observer. "And built models to exploit what we knew about them and target their inner demons. That was the basis the entire company was built on."

    Wylie's testimony to Congress marks the first time he's presented evidence on the wide-reaching and allegedly exploitative data breach since his public disclosure.

    When Wylie spoke to the Senate Judiciary Committee Wednesday, Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.,) asked if one of Bannon's "goals was to suppress voting or discourage certain individuals in the U.S. from voting."

    Wylie said, "That was my understanding, yes." He added that discussions about "voter disengagement" and the targeting of African-Americans, prompted his departure from the firm, according to the Guardian, saying he saw documents referencing this
    operation.

    In one example, "Facebook posts were targeted at some black voters reminding them of Hillary Clinton’s 1990s description of black youths as 'super predators', in the hope it would deter them from voting," the Guardian reported.

    ***

    They actively targeted black voters, hoping to stop them from voting.
    Yeah, that sounds like exactly the kind of thing those folks would do.
    But looks like even the Trump administration has a sense of humor.
    Let's see how far the idea can be taken, though...

    Colbert:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U52sG0o8Xrc

    ***

    And today's Doonesbury is amusing, sort of: https://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2018/05/20

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Monday, May 21, 2018 13:35:25
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    Bill Maher - Trump Is Above The Law
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RYb72FPzzc

    Colbert - One Year Anniversary of the Mueller Investigation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o0cU2-IlCE

    Seth Meyers - Trump Deals with New Russia and Michael Cohen Bombshells https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05U0AYfnWgI&feature=youtu.be

    ***

    Any comments, Andy?

    "Trump Boasts That His Impeachment Will Get Higher TV Ratings
    Than All Other Impeachments"

    “My impeachment will make the Royal Wedding’s ratings look pathetic,” Trump bragged. “Everywhere I go, people tell me that if I am impeached, they’re going to watch it,” Trump said.

    Public Demands Investigation of Why F.B.I. Infiltrators
    in Trump Campaign Failed to Prevent Him from Being Elected

    "Americans expressed dismay at the news that F.B.I. might have had
    a golden opportunity to prevent the nation’s current unspeakable
    nightmare from unfolding but did not get the job done."

    “The thought of F.B.I. infiltrators being inside the Trump campaign
    but not sabotaging it is, in a word, devastating,” one American said.
    “If it turns out to be true, I will totally lose my faith in
    F.B.I. infiltrators.”

    "Trump Fears Next Election Will Be Decided by Americans"

    "Trump has reportedly ordered his staff to do everything in its power
    to prevent Americans from meddling in the 2020 election."

    "An aide said that the President is panicking over a doomsday scenario
    in which Americans, sidelined during the 2016 election, play a dominant
    role in influencing the 2020 contest."

    "In Note Thanking Him for Welcome Home,
    Melania Misspells Trump's Name as "Phuckface"

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, May 22, 2018 08:09:35
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    Castaneda fans should all be thrilled right now, since the
    United States has acquired and is battling a huge petty tyrant.
    And it is our President.

    ***

    New York Times Editorial Board
    Trump v. the Department of Justice

    May 21, 2018

    http://tinyurl.com/yaeyrau7

    Excerpts:

    As the old saying goes, if the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law
    is against you, argue the facts. If both the facts and the law are against you,
    pound the table and yell.

    Welcome to the central organizing principle of the Trump White House. As the Russia investigation burrows closer to the Oval Office, the president, his staff, his collaborators in Congress and his defenders in the right-wing media are sparing no
    institution in their quest to undermine it. Look, a mole!

    President Trump sank to a new low on Sunday, tweeting, “I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes — and
    if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!”

    Putting aside the cartoonish language (“I hereby demand”? Really?), consider the seriousness of the threat posed by a president ordering federal law enforcement officials to investigate the people who are investigating him.

    On Monday, Mr. Trump persuaded the Justice Department to ask its inspector general to look into his accusations, hoping that these countercharges make the
    public forget the broader context of the Russia investigation. So let’s look at what we already
    know.

    First the facts: There was a sophisticated, multiyear conspiracy by Russian government officials and agents, working under direct orders from President Vladimir Putin, to interfere in the 2016 presidential election in support of Donald Trump. The
    American law enforcement and intelligence communities warned the Trump campaign
    and asked it to report anything suspicious. The campaign didn’t do this. To the contrary, at least seven Trump campaign officials met with Russians or people linked to
    Russia, and several seemed eager to accept their help. As the F.B.I. became aware of these contacts, it began to investigate. And yet the bureau went to great lengths to shield this investigation from becoming public before the election, even as James
    Comey, then the F.B.I. director, spoke openly about the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private email server.

    These facts aren’t disputed. The intelligence community confirmed Russia’s efforts on Mr. Trump’s behalf in January 2017, and last week Richard Burr, the Republican chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said he saw “no
    reason to dispute
    those findings.

    Do these sound like the actions of government officials intent on bringing down
    a presidential candidate?

    What about the law? It is a federal crime to lie to federal authorities, obstruct justice, launder money, fail to register as a foreign agent and conspire with a foreign power to influence the outcome of an election. Top officials in Mr. Trump’s
    campaign and administration have already been indicted on or pleaded guilty to some of these charges. This is just the start; the special counsel, Robert Mueller, appears to have gathered a great deal more evidence with the help of cooperating witnesses.
    And we haven’t even talked about Michael Cohen yet.

    Meanwhile, Republicans in Congress compound their shame daily, either by standing by in silence or by working actively with the White House and conservative media to help expose the identity of an F.B.I. informant. Was it just a year ago that these same
    people professed outrage at the supposed “unmasking” of American citizens caught up in duly-authorized surveillance?

    This self-interested assault is doing incalculable damage to the integrity of American law enforcement. It’s up to those people who have devoted their lives to the nation and to the rule of law, like Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and the F.B.I.
    director, Christopher Wray — both Republicans and Trump appointees, don’t forget — to stand up to the president and defend these institutions.

    One doesn’t have to agree with the particulars of every investigation to see the fundamental difference here: The members of our law enforcement and intelligence communities are trying to protect the country. Donald Trump and his supporters are simply
    trying to protect Donald Trump.

    ***

    That insufferable son-of-a-bitch Trump is crossing every line and is
    now making serious moves to establish tyrannical control of our nation.
    Trump is indeed a petty tyrant for the United States - and now we get
    to see if the United States collectively is enough of a warrior to
    defeat him.

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, May 22, 2018 08:24:05
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    By Demanding an Investigation, Trump Challenged a Constraint on His Power

    By Charlie Savage
    May 21, 2018

    http://tinyurl.com/yczu63n7

    WASHINGTON — When President Trump publicly demanded that the Justice Department open an investigation into the F.B.I.’s scrutiny of his campaign contacts with Russia, he inched further toward breaching an established constraint on executive power:
    The White House does not make decisions about individual law enforcement investigations.

    “It’s an incredible historical moment,” said Rebecca Roiphe, a professor at New York Law School who helped write a coming scholarly article on the limits of presidential control over the Justice Department. Mr. Trump’s move,
    she said, “is the
    culmination of a lot of moments in which he has chipped away at prosecutorial independence, but this is a direct assault.”

    Almost since he took office, Mr. Trump has battered the Justice Department’s independence indirectly — lamenting its failure to reopen a criminal investigation of Hillary Clinton that found no wrongdoing, and openly complaining that Attorney General
    Jeff Sessions recused himself from the Russia inquiry. But he had also acknowledged that as president, “I am not supposed to be involved with the Justice Department,” as he told a radio interviewer with frustration last fall.

    As part of that pattern, he has also denied the account by James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director he abruptly fired, that the president privately urged him to drop an investigation into Michael T. Flynn, Mr. Trump’s first national security adviser.

    But Mr. Trump has also been flirting with going further, as he hinted late last
    year when he claimed in a New York Times interview that “I have an absolute right to do what I want to with the Justice Department.” And now, by unabashedly ordering the
    department to open a particular investigation, Mr. Trump has ratcheted up his willingness to impose direct political control over the work of law enforcement
    officials.

    Mr. Trump’s demand was part of the latest cycle in the campaign by his allies
    in Congress and conservative news media outlets to discredit the special counsel investigation into whether his campaign conspired with Russia in its interference in the 2016
    election and whether he committed obstruction of justice.

    One of Mr. Trump’s most stalwart defenders, Representative Devin Nunes, the California Republican who is chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, has been using his oversight powers to investigate the F.B.I.’s investigation, portraying several
    early steps in 2016 as scandalous. Most recently, with backing from Speaker Paul D. Ryan, Mr. Nunes has been trying to force the Justice Department to identify a confidential source who assisted the F.B.I.

    [Nunes is a psycho.]

    As a result of that battle, the existence of the source has shaken into public view. The informant, an American academic who has taught in Britain, approached
    several of the members of the Trump campaign who had been in contact with suspected Russian
    agents and tried to find out what they knew about Russian hackers’ theft of Democratic emails. Mr. Trump’s allies have portrayed this as the F.B.I. infiltrating his campaign with a spy.

    On Sunday, Mr. Trump wrote on Twitter: “I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes
    — and if any such
    demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!”

    In response, the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, referred the matter to the department’s independent inspector general, Michael E. Horowitz, and issued a statement clearly intended to mollify Mr. Trump: “If anyone did infiltrate or
    surveil participants in a presidential campaign for inappropriate purposes, we need to know about it and take appropriate action.”

    The Justice Department rarely discloses when it has opened a criminal investigation, but it appeared on Monday that Mr. Rosenstein’s move had satisfied Mr. Trump for the time being without opening a criminal investigation. Still, he established a
    significant new precedent by directly demanding that the department scrutinize specific actions.

    “Yesterday made explicit what before was implicit, which is that Trump is crossing every line that protects the independence of the Justice Department,” said Neal Katyal, who drafted the department’s special counsel
    regulation in 1999 for the
    Clinton administration and served as acting solicitor general in the first term
    of the Obama administration.

    Mr. Trump’s suggestion that Obama-era officials may have abused their investigative authority to spy on his campaign for their own political purposes
    complicates his demand for the Justice Department to investigate itself now. Still, senior law
    enforcement officials appointed by Mr. Trump already knew what steps the department took in 2016 and had not previously deemed those facts a sufficient basis to open an investigation, noted Bruce Green, a Fordham University law professor who wrote the
    article with Ms. Roiphe.

    Legally, it is ambiguous and contested whether a president has the lawful power
    to order the attorney general to open or close a case — especially one involving his personal interests. But either way, as a practical matter, it may
    make little
    difference.

    That is because attorneys general who view a president’s request or demand as
    unjustified can refuse it. But the president can fire and replace the attorney general. The primary check against a president abusing that power is the willingness of
    Congress to impeach him, as well as potential voter backlash.

    The article by Ms. Roiphe and Mr. Green documented several scattered early examples of presidents who got directly involved in case decisions. George Washington, they wrote, ordered the prosecution of people involved in the Whiskey Rebellion by
    distillers in western Pennsylvania who rose up against the federal whiskey tax and threatened its enforcers. Washington later ordered that case shut down.

    But such cases were rare and typically involved foreign affairs, Ms. Roiphe and
    Mr. Green wrote. And because the presidents’ involvement went unchallenged, the Supreme Court never weighed in about its legitimacy. The federal law enforcement system
    evolved over time; Congress created the Justice Department in 1870.

    A century later, after the Watergate scandal, the norm of Justice Department independence became more entrenched. Senators have since routinely asked attorney general nominees at confirmation hearings questions eliciting promises
    to resist any effort by
    a president to intrude upon matters of prosecutorial discretion.

    [Oh, will you do this for us? Pretty please with sugar on top? Sheesh...]

    A few weeks before leaving office last year, President Barack Obama published a
    piece in the Harvard Law Review about the president’s role in advancing a criminal justice overhaul. In it, he nodded to the importance of constraints on
    presidential
    intrusion into specific Justice Department case decisions, citing the need “to avoid even the appearance of politicization” when it comes to administration of criminal law.

    “For good reason, particular criminal matters are not directed by the president personally but are handled by career prosecutors and law enforcement officials who are dedicated to serving the public and promoting public safety,” Mr. Obama wrote. “
    The president does not and should not decide who or what to investigate or prosecute or when an investigation or prosecution should happen.”

    ***

    Remember, this isn't just another opinion and Obama wrote this *prior*
    to leaving office. Before becoming a two-term President, Obama was
    president of the Harvard Law Review and as a professor taught
    constitutional law.

    Trump is crossing serious lines and MUST be stopped.

    .

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  • From waltkowaski@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, May 22, 2018 09:28:50
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    pinche tirano deluxo = don Trumpski

    ( a new catagory of tyrant )

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, May 22, 2018 13:01:44
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    Washington Post

    Stop waiting for the constitutional crisis that President Trump is sure to provoke. It’s here.

    by Eugene Robinson
    May 21

    http://tinyurl.com/y87v2p2o

    On Sunday, via Twitter, Trump demanded that the Justice Department concoct a transparently political investigation, with the aim of smearing veteran professionals at Justice and the FBI and also throwing mud at the previous administration. Trump’s only
    rational goal is casting doubt on the probe by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, which appears to be closing in.

    Trump’s power play is a gross misuse of his presidential authority and a dangerous departure from long-standing norms. Strongmen such as Russia’s Vladimir Putin use their justice systems to punish enemies and deflect attention from their own crimes.
    Presidents of the United States do not — or did not, until Sunday’s tweet:

    “I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes — and if any such demands or requests were made by people
    within the Obama Administration!”

    Rather than push back and defend the rule of law, Justice tried to mollify the president by at least appearing to give him what he wants. The Republican leadership in Congress has been silent as a mouse. This is how uncrossable lines are crossed.

    The pretext Trump seized on is the revelation that FBI source Stefan A. Halper made contact with three Trump campaign associates before the election as part of the FBI’s initial investigation into Russian meddling.

    With the full-throated backing of right-wing media, Trump has described this person as a “spy” who was “implanted, for political purposes, into my campaign for president.” This claim is completely unsupported by the facts as
    we know them. Trump
    wants you to believe a lie.

    The informant was not embedded or implanted or otherwise inserted into the campaign. He was asked to contact several campaign figures whose names had already surfaced in the FBI’s counterintelligence probe. It would have been an appalling dereliction
    of duty not to take a look at Trump advisers with Russia ties, such as Carter Page and George Papadopoulos, when the outlines of a Russian campaign to influence the election were emerging.

    Trump claims this is the nation’s “all time biggest political scandal” because, he alleges, Justice Department officials and the FBI used a “spy” to try to “frame” him and his campaign, in an effort to boost his opponent Hillary Clinton’s
    chance of winning the election. This conspiracy theory has so many holes in it that it’s hard to know where to begin. But let’s start with the glaringly obvious: If the aim was to make Trump lose, why wasn’t all the known information about the
    Trump campaign’s Russia connections leaked before the election, when it might
    have had some impact?

    The truth appears to be precisely the opposite of what Trump says, which is not
    uncommon. The record suggests that Justice and the FBI were so uncomfortable investigating a presidential campaign in the weeks and months before an election that they
    tiptoed around promising lines of inquiry rather than appear to be taking a side. The FBI director at the time was James B. Comey, and while we heard plenty about Clinton’s emails before the vote, we had no idea that such a mature investigation of the
    Trump campaign was underway.

    Now that the Mueller probe has bored into Trump’s inner circle — and federal authorities have raided the homes and office of his personal attorney, Michael Cohen — the president appears to be in a panic. The question is whether he sees this “spy
    nonsense as a way to discredit Mueller’s eventual findings, or as a pretext
    for trying to end the investigation with a bloody purge akin to Richard Nixon’s “Saturday Night Massacre.”

    The Justice Department answered Trump’s tweeted demand by announcing that an existing investigation by its inspector general will now “include determining
    whether there was any impropriety or political motivation” by the FBI. Deputy
    Attorney
    General Rod J. Rosenstein may hope that is enough to avoid a showdown. I fear he is wrong.

    None of this is normal or acceptable. One of the bedrock principles of our system of government is that no one is above the law, not even the president. But a gutless Congress has refused, so far, to protect this sacred inheritance.

    Trump is determined to use the Justice Department and the FBI to punish those he sees as political enemies. This is a crisis, and it will get worse.

    ***

    Then again... one Washington Post columnist whose politics are described
    as "center-right" thinks Christopher Wray and Rod Rosenstein may have
    been playing Trump to set him up.

    ***

    Right Turn Opinion
    Did Rosenstein and Wray play Trump?
    http://tinyurl.com/y8l94c94

    On Monday, President Trump met at the White House with Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein, FBI Director Christopher Wray and Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats (among others) about the investigation into “any irregularities with the
    Federal Bureau of Investigation’s or the Department of Justice’s tactics concerning the Trump Campaign” and congressional access to highly confidential material. This set off a furious reaction among those concerned with the erosion of democratic
    norms. There is widespread agreement outside of Trumpland that the meeting between investigators responsible for an inquiry into the president’s misconduct and those directly involved in the investigation is unprecedented and alarming. When it comes to
    the wisdom of Rosenstein and Wray’s attendance, there are two schools of thought.

    As a preliminary matter, let’s note that all three of these are Trump appointees, all three have publicly attested that Russia interfered in the election to help Trump and none has a close personal relationship with Trump (nor does, for example,
    Attorney General Jeff Sessions).

    [Yeah, so how the hell is the situation supposedly biased against Trump?
    All four of those people are Republican appointees. :) ]

    One side, aptly represented by experts such as Jack Goldsmith, argues that we need to cut Rosenstein and Wray some slack. “Some people think they already should have resigned because of the president’s attacks on the integrity and independence of DOJ
    and FBI. They would certainly have plenty of reason to resign in protest,” he
    said in an interview with Isaac Chotiner. “But the main reason they appear to
    be staying on is to see the investigation through. It would disrupt the investigation for an
    uncertain period, and in an uncertain but probably bad way if Rosenstein, Wray,
    or Mueller left for any reason. That’s why I think we should support them in their decision to stay on, take the heat, and see the investigation to its completion, or at
    least as far towards completion as possible.” He added, “I am sure there are red lines, but given the stakes of resignation, and Trump’s unpredictable
    behavior, it is hard to know what they are.” The thinking is that the meeting
    was a tactical
    concession that gives up little ground, a means of deflecting Trump that permits them to do their work.

    Others, including former attorney general Eric Holder, argue that the meeting was a hugely significant breach of democratic norms and Justice Department practice. Accordingly, Wray and Rosenstein are essentially enabling, rather than curtailing Trump’s
    trashing of constitutional norms. These critics worry that Rosenstein and Wray are incrementally damaging the very norms they want to protect.

    I find the latter argument a little hard to fathom given that Wray and Rosenstein almost surely consulted with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III before attending. Moreover, Rosenstein has demonstrated that he is determined to give Mueller wide berth
    to conduct the investigation, including a recent public declaration that the Justice Department would “not be extorted.” Unless he has experienced a complete change of heart, one should imagine that in agreeing to the meeting he
    did not consider
    himself to be a victim of extortion.

    I would suggest a third take on the meeting: Wray and Rosenstein, with Mueller’s full backing, might be setting up Trump. We know Mueller is already
    pursuing an obstruction-of-justice inquiry that might relate to acts such as Trump firing former FBI
    director James B. Comey, falsely accusing him of illegally leaking confidential
    material, pressuring Comey to drop the investigation into Michael Flynn, helping draft a phony cover story to explain the June 9 Trump Tower meeting and
    conducting an
    extended campaign to smear, discredit and disrupt the work of the FBI and the special counsel. In that vein, wouldn’t a meeting directly ordering Wray and Rosenstein to conduct what amounts to a wild goose chase and to put confidential material into
    the hands of congressional allies be part of the pattern of possible obstruction they are investigating?

    Goodness knows what Trump said in the meeting and what he revealed about his intent with regard to outing the previously secret source. Moreover, Wray and Rosenstein already may have a very good idea who leaked the name of the source (initially to the
    right-wing Daily Caller, it appears) and may be keen to see whether the materials shared with congressional Republicans get leaked as well. (They, too,
    understand the finite protections of the Constitution’s “speech or debate” clause.)

    This isn’t, alas, the “Deep State” at work. Remember, it’s Trump himself who is demanding the inquiry and document sharing; it’s his appointees who are complying with his wishes. If this is the “Deep State,” then it is so devious as to
    draft Trump and his top associates into its secret enclave.

    But let’s get back to reality. Going to the meeting, taking copious notes, analyzing the notes to determine the propriety of Trump’s comments and referring that information over to Mueller is precisely what any responsible law-enforcement officials
    would do. It was, come to think of it, precisely what Comey did.

    In short, I’m certainly inclined to give Rosenstein and Wray the benefit of the doubt as to their efforts to navigate around Trump. In fact, I’m willing to bet they knew exactly what they are doing and saw utility in having the meeting. We’ll know
    soon enough whether that meeting was part of the investigation, not an attempt to protect the investigation.

    ***

    I sure as hell hope she's right. Even the "center-right" sees this
    as insane crap. But try to imagine what it looks like from a Democrat perspective. Here we have a Republican president and several Republican congressmen pressuring major Republican appointees to drop or tone
    down a hugely significant investigation. To a Dem, that all just looks
    like dangerous and insane bullshit.

    .

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, May 23, 2018 16:53:28
    From: slider@anashram.com

    here is the king of all myths:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

    the shit that keeps the world brainwashed.

    ### - iow: the same old shit/formula going back 1000's upon 1000's of
    years, re-imagined for each & every new age...

    sounds about right heh :)

    i mean, no wonder they 'stuck' to it; it works & is time tested?

    no 'need' to invent summat totally new hahaha :)))

    of course, old eric von danikin wants to suggest an 'origin' for it all?

    aliens! (aliens?? riiiight...) :)

    ***

    Basically we are not really that much different from other mammals and creatures. Beyond our ability to talk, the thing that makes human beings
    really stand out is our apparent ability to create a 'conceptual' image of
    the world and then relate to that idea (or any idea apparently) to the exclusion of virtually everything and anything else. Thus, our densely populated human world is full of different cultures and beliefs, all competitively vying and clamouring for attention. So much so, that some
    suggest humanity has gradually become divorced from the underlying
    background reality that all other living creatures on this planet still
    have and retain an awareness of.

    Accordingly, human beings, via this ability, have created their very own multifaceted ‘version’ of reality, one that increasingly flies in the face of the way things are in reality for the rest of nature, to the point that
    most people these days generally feel that they lack a deeper connection
    to the rest of the universe, an idea that leaves them feeling somehow
    empty or incomplete and thus has people searching for some kind of deeper meaning to life, whether it be religion or philosophy. The standard social
    norm of having a good job, a nice home and family, doesn’t always seem totally to fulfil that yearning need.

    I suppose this is precisely where religion and philosophy are supposed to
    come into the picture, except that those religions and philosophies
    themselves also often seem to fail us, in that almost all our religions
    only really succeed in distancing us even farther from nature instead of bringing us closer to it. Our religions comfort us by pertaining to answer
    all our questions, only they don’t really answer them beyond telling us to behave ourselves in the meantime, while at the same time, rather
    frustratingly, just putting off the whole subject until after we die. As
    such they are more a way of ‘explaining away’ the mysteries of life rather than bringing us closer to them.

    I suspect the simple truth is that there is probably no ‘sense’ (no
    meaning per se, or at least not a rational one) to life in quite the way
    we might want there to be; that while we are alive we can, of course, do
    all the usual things that the majority of people like to do, such as
    working and having homes and families. Nevertheless, we still have to understand that all these ‘things’ do not really constitute nor represent the ‘meaning of life’ in and of themselves. Yet in modern society that is exactly and precisely what people are encouraged to turn to for some sort
    of sense of completion and solace. The end result is that no one really
    knows what they are doing any more. More often than not, we merely bluff
    our way through life instead of consciously living it to the full in
    complete awareness of doing so.

    (2-cents from - The WILD Way To Lucid Dreaming)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Wednesday, May 23, 2018 13:56:05
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Tue, 22 May 2018 21:01:44 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    ***
    I sure as hell hope she's right. Even the "center-right" sees this
    as insane crap. But try to imagine what it looks like from a Democrat perspective.

    ### - haha tell me about it lol; they're ALL nuts! and mostly of lower intelligence too! :)))

    the rich and powerful (a right wing minority) should never be 'allowed' to
    get into power!

    many of the 'principles' of the right (law & order for example) absolutely
    need to be kept, just never allowed to be wielded 'by' them?? (i.e., law & order become oppressive/repressive under them; "peace through strength"??
    vote for us we'll 'force' everyone to behave! zero tolerance! lock every
    fucker up! spend more on weapons! ban everything else! haha jeeze + what a philosophy??)



    Here we have a Republican president and several Republican
    congressmen pressuring major Republican appointees to drop or tone
    down a hugely significant investigation. To a Dem, that all just looks
    like dangerous and insane bullshit.

    ### - honestly think he loves it? (the limelight i mean) and is literally
    in his element!

    what a career thi' huh? and now prez as well?? fuck me what a trip he's
    on! lol :)

    plus the way the law works things can mostly be delayed almost
    indefinitely if/when required; the more serious the shit the longer it
    takes, often years! which 'all' these big-business dudes employ on
    occasion; are experts at it! have 'teams' of attorneys! - and all of them 'as-evil' as the day is long! + big wink to thang hahaha (not evil per se sport, merely corrupted/compromised all to hell/to the hilt; and as such,
    is one of the 'worst' cults there is to get out of! metaphorically
    speaking ;)

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  • From waltkowaski@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, May 23, 2018 07:55:20
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    here is the king of all myths:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

    the shit that keeps the world brainwashed.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, May 23, 2018 17:24:30
    From: slider@anashram.org

    wants a bit more writes...

    no one is able to answer this one simple
    question: wtf are we doing here ?

    no one ever has a real answer BECAUSE
    they just don't know.

    i suspect since there have been about
    109 billion of us since the beginning
    that we are building something.
    building for the future?
    or building for who?

    ### - (smile...) but isn't that a bit like in the movie 'logan run' where everyone believes in some place called 'sanctuary' - only it doesn't exist?

    maybe we're just here... right?

    none of it makes any 'rational' sense so we 'supply' that sense we crave
    there to be by inventing it!

    ***

    What then is this ‘fullness’ we seek, where is this ‘life more abundant’
    that everyone inwardly craves but can’t really find? I don’t have any definitive answers, although being a keen observer I do think I’ve managed
    to pick up a few clues here and there that might just well be of interest
    to those with similarly inquiring minds.

    For example, if there’s such a thing as a meaning to life and we are part
    of it, then we really shouldn’t have to look any further than into our own inner being in order to be able to understand it all, or at least our own
    part in it.

    Perhaps by going along with the universe, instead of rebelling against it
    by indulging in all our own ideas that we project and superimpose upon the world instead of dealing with it the way it really is, we might just gain
    a few insights. Not because we have so cleverly figured it all out with
    our pencils and computers and such like, but because by going along with
    things sometimes you can also come to understand more of its true nature
    and that, although it may not be able to give you straight verbal answers,
    that doesn’t mean you can’t still learn something from observing the way
    it behaves and conducts itself with you and with everything else.

    Maybe what we have to try and first understand and accept is that nature
    itself isn’t intellectual and that, in the main, it has got to where it
    has today after billions of years of unfolding without the benefits of
    rational thinking and language to explain it; that although its purpose,
    its (and thus our) whole reason for being, is a totally silent one that requires no explanation to function, which doesn’t mean we can’t still learn to go along with it and pick up a few interesting and useful things
    about it and ourselves in the process. Nature is our friend. Nature
    doesn’t lie. In other words, if we start off at home by looking a little
    more into our own nature and our own natural abilities, then later may
    come a view of the bigger picture in which we all naturally belong.

    ***

    iow: just be here now!

    (slider then whispers merely for the histrionics of it all heh: 'coz maybe that's all there actually is... that maybe another 'unexplored'
    knowledge-set altogether derives from behaving that way instead; a
    different (possibly a lot more immediate) way of knowing/experiencing life
    & the world...)

    you turn on... tune in... and then drop out?

    step back from it... and then just let 'em all get on with it...

    'coz they're all livin' in wallyworld that lot! swimming/drowning in their
    own sea of ideas!

    may be :)

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  • From waltkowaski@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, May 23, 2018 09:00:22
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    no one is able to answer this one simple
    question: wtf are we doing here ?

    no one ever has a real answer BECAUSE
    they just don't know.

    i suspect since there have been about
    109 billion of us since the beginning
    that we are building something.
    building for the future?
    or building for who?

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, May 26, 2018 21:15:02
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/crossfire-hurricane-3.jpg


    McCabe & Brenner get arrested first.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/05/26/spygate-the-inspector-general-and-the-expanded-fisa-investigation/#more-149775

    The republicans are dragging this out to hurt the democrats.
    Trump defeated the republicans in an "undeniable" way.
    The democrats have squandered precious time they needed to regroup.
    They are still not processing the shock-denial-sorrow-bargaining-transcend
    type of catharsis necessary to get up off the canvas and fight.

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, May 27, 2018 11:46:35
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    "The day that we can't protect human sources is the day
    the American people start becoming less safe."
    - Republican Trump-appointed FBI Director Christopher Wray

    "His exposure is unacceptable... It is a breach of the duty we owe
    to these men and women, who serve our country at great risk and
    trust us to protect their identities."
    - Jerrold Nadler, top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee

    Nadler wants the leaking of the informant's name investigated.
    Rightly so, since that leak was clearly an actual crime.

    ***

    Trump has repeatedly interjected himself into an investigation
    in which he himself is a potential subject. That IS unethical.

    Trump's confrontation with and pressuring of the FBI and the
    Justice Department has no precedent in modern times and he is
    wreaking untold damage on major democratic institutions.

    It's not the FBI or the Justice Department that is corrupt.
    TRUMP and his administration are MUCH closer to actual corruption.
    Yet they're trying to create a tyranny of "anyone loyal to Trump" -
    undermining and/or destroying anyone who won't kowtow to him
    or who tries to bring his people to justice.

    “To turn on the F.B.I. using this loaded language like ‘spy’
    and ‘infiltrate,’ President Trump is trying to poison public
    opinion against the F.B.I. for his own reasons”
    - Barbara McQuade, career federal prosecutor who served as
    United States attorney in Michigan.

    Trump is doing his best to tear down the FBI and Justice Department
    and replace them with "goons" loyal to HIM. This all sits fine with shit-for-brains conservative conspiracy theorists peddling idiotic
    notions of "deep-state corruption" which are mostly vague hand-waving
    and pure bullshit.

    Contrary to Trump’s assertions, there is no evidence the FBI
    spied on his campaign and no evidence the investigation had
    a partisan origin. The F.B.I. was investigating Russian efforts to
    influence the American election, and they had evidence people around
    Trump WERE in contact with the Russians, evidence that has only
    grown since then. There is now voluminous evidence of just that.

    Adam Schiff of California, Democratic head of the Intelligence
    Committee investigation said the recent briefings by Rosenstein
    and Wray made clear “there is no evidence to support any allegation
    that the FBI or any intelligence agency placed a ‘spy’ in the
    Trump campaign.” Put plainly, it's pure crap. That didn't happen.

    The hysterical allegation which has now been hysterically repeated
    over and over is nothing but yet another Trump LIE - one of the
    thousands of lies he's already told while in office.

    Trump is dangerous. Even before taking office, Trump disparaged
    the intelligence agencies that concluded Russia sought to influence
    the election on his behalf. At one point he in effect compared them
    to Nazis, although their conclusion is one no reasonable person would
    any longer dispute. And rather than actually do anything about it,
    instead he publicly badgered law enforcement officials - including
    his own appointed Attorney General - to shut down the Russia inquiry.
    To anyone with a brain that's obviously corrupt and dangerous.
    Trump HAS worked to obstruct justice. And he still is.

    Trump DOES obstruct justice, anytime he thinks he needs to to 'win'.
    Because he has no genuine integrity. And should now be obvious to
    anyone with any decency and a minimally functioning brain.

    .

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Sunday, May 27, 2018 20:02:39
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Sun, 27 May 2018 19:46:35 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    Trump DOES obstruct justice, anytime he thinks he needs to to 'win'.
    Because he has no genuine integrity. And should now be obvious to
    anyone with any decency and a minimally functioning brain.

    ### - he has the 'integrity' of a... politician!

    nuff-said lol... :)

    (might as well ask al capone to be honest?? riiiight... :)))

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to slider on Sunday, May 27, 2018 20:28:28
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 3:02:41 PM UTC-4, slider wrote:
    On Sun, 27 May 2018 19:46:35 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    Trump DOES obstruct justice, anytime he thinks he needs to to 'win'. Because he has no genuine integrity. And should now be obvious to
    anyone with any decency and a minimally functioning brain.

    ### - he has the 'integrity' of a... politician!

    nuff-said lol... :)

    (might as well ask al capone to be honest?? riiiight... :)))

    Al Capone WAS HONEST. That snake Elliot Ness framed him to get a TV show. :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8nZBlPfR7Y

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Monday, May 28, 2018 14:02:43
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Mon, 28 May 2018 04:28:28 +0100, LowRider44M <intraphase@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 3:02:41 PM UTC-4, slider wrote:
    On Sun, 27 May 2018 19:46:35 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
    <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    Trump DOES obstruct justice, anytime he thinks he needs to to 'win'.
    Because he has no genuine integrity. And should now be obvious to
    anyone with any decency and a minimally functioning brain.

    ### - he has the 'integrity' of a... politician!

    nuff-said lol... :)

    (might as well ask al capone to be honest?? riiiight... :)))

    Al Capone WAS HONEST. That snake Elliot Ness framed him to get a TV
    show. :-)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8nZBlPfR7Y

    ### - he WAS being 'completely' honest when he (capone) argued upon arrest
    that he was only doing what 'they' (the government) were doing heh...

    ness readily agreed, and so pinched the fucker for tax evasion instead
    hehehe :)

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Friday, June 01, 2018 16:25:29
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Thu, 17 May 2018 13:09:04 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan" <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 11:55:31 AM UTC-7, Jeremy H. Denisovan wrote:

    What a dishonest asshole.

    Former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson recently made it clear to an
    audience of young, military graduates what he thinks of the man who
    he had to pretend to respect for the last year and a half:

    Speaking to soon-to-be graduates of the Virginia Military Institute
    on Wednesday, Tillerson dropped this truth bomb:

    "If our leaders seek to conceal the truth, or we as people become
    accepting of alternative realities that are no longer grounded
    in facts, then we as American citizens are on a pathway to
    relinquishing our freedom."

    There was no doubt Tillerson was speaking about Trump, whose delusional >pathology Tillerson obviously now views as a threat to the country:

    "A responsibility of every American citizen to each other is to
    preserve and protect our freedom by recognizing what truth is and
    is not, what a fact is and is not and begin by holding ourselves
    accountable to truthfulness and demand our pursuit of America's future
    be fact-based -- not based on wishful thinking, not hoped-for outcomes
    made in shallow promises, but with a clear-eyed view of the facts as
    they are, and guided by the truth that will set us free to seek
    solutions to our most daunting challenges."

    He also warned about a “crisis of ethics and integrity in our society
    and among our leaders,” again unmistakably referring to Trump.

    But a crisis is something unexpected. Tillerson walked into Trump’s >cesspool with his eyes wide open. It wasn’t a “crisis” he was witnessing >but an ongoing sickness. His responsibility to the country he purports
    to care about was not to call that out after the fact but denounce it >immediately. Which is why the reaction to his speech has mostly been,
    “too little too late.”


    Sounds like sour grapes to me. Winners are grinners, as they say :)

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