From: slider@anashram.com

US President Donald Trump warned Iran that there would be severe
consequences if it restarted its nuclear weapons program.

In a conversation with reporters in Washington before the cabinet meeting
Trump said he believed Tehran would eventually renegotiate the 2015
nuclear deal between Tehran and the six world power.

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Trump-warns-Iran-Dont-restart-your-nuclear-weapons-program-556012

“I would advise Iran not to start their nuclear program. I would advise
them very strongly. If they do, there will be very severe consequence,”
Trump said.

The US President spoke one day after he announced the US withdrawal from
the Iran deal and the reimposition of US sanctions on Tehran.

“Iran will come back and say, “We don’t want to negotiate.” And of course,
they’re going to say that. And if I were in their position, I’d say that, too, for the first couple of months, “We’re not going to negotiate,’” Trump said. “But they’ll negotiate, or something will happen. And
hopefully that won’t be the case,” Trump said.

The sanctions the US will place on Iran are the strongest it has ever
issued against any country, Trump said.

These sanctions are “going into effect very shortly. They’re mostly constituted and drawn already,” Trump said.

This is “a deal to hurt the world and, certainly, Israel. You saw Benjamin Netanyahu get up yesterday and talk so favorably about what we did,” Trump said.

“We’re going to make either a really good deal for the world, or we’re not
going to make a deal at all,” Trump said.

US National Security Advisor John Bolton told CBS said the hope was that
the sanctions would be so crippling that Iran would be forced to give up
its ballistic missiles program.

Iran has increased spending on its ballistic missile program which is not covered by the deal, Bolton said. They will need these missiles for a
nuclear weapons program, he added.

Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei blasted the US charging that
it was untrustworthy and that it had been a mistake for his country to
enter into the deal.

“From day one, I said several times that the United States is not to be trusted. I said it publicly and privately. I said if you want to sign an agreement, first make sure that necessary guarantees are made,” Khamenei said.

“What happened is a foul play on the part of the United States, and it
does not surprise us,” he said during a speech he gave in Tehran. An
English translation of his speech was published on his web page.

The issue, he said, is not Iran’s nuclear weapons program but the
persistent American animosity toward his country.

***

“But they’ll negotiate, or something will happen. And hopefully that won’t
be the case,” Trump said.

and from iran:

“From day one, I said several times that the United States is not to be trusted."

### - negotiate my ass! there'll BE no more 'negotiation' from iran after pulling out of the deal that was so hard to be struck in the first place??
iran hates the US! despises it for perceived/actual slights previously
made against it! (backing iraq in an 8-year war with iran by proxy in
which maybe half a millions peeps died for example...) to the point of
labeling the US as being the great shat'an (satan!), something, a nasty
name, the muslims defo don't casually bandy about too often!

so then, a 'confrontation' (with iran) is now the name of the game folks!

a: do what we TELL ya or else! deal??

oh they'll respond sooo favourably to something like 'that' innit huh...

riiiiight...

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Wed, 09 May 2018 20:59:37 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

US President Donald Trump warned Iran that there would be severe
consequences if it restarted its nuclear weapons program.

In a conversation with reporters in Washington before the cabinet meeting >Trump said he believed Tehran would eventually renegotiate the 2015
nuclear deal between Tehran and the six world power.

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Trump-warns-Iran-Dont-restart-your-nuclear-weapons-program-556012

“I would advise Iran not to start their nuclear program. I would advise >them very strongly. If they do, there will be very severe consequence,” >Trump said.

The US President spoke one day after he announced the US withdrawal from
the Iran deal and the reimposition of US sanctions on Tehran.

“Iran will come back and say, “We don’t want to negotiate.” And of course,
they’re going to say that. And if I were in their position, I’d say that, >too, for the first couple of months, “We’re not going to negotiate,’” >Trump said. “But they’ll negotiate, or something will happen. And >hopefully that won’t be the case,” Trump said.

The sanctions the US will place on Iran are the strongest it has ever
issued against any country, Trump said.

These sanctions are “going into effect very shortly. They’re mostly >constituted and drawn already,” Trump said.

This is “a deal to hurt the world and, certainly, Israel. You saw Benjamin >Netanyahu get up yesterday and talk so favorably about what we did,” Trump >said.

“We’re going to make either a really good deal for the world, or we’re not
going to make a deal at all,” Trump said.

US National Security Advisor John Bolton told CBS said the hope was that
the sanctions would be so crippling that Iran would be forced to give up
its ballistic missiles program.

Iran has increased spending on its ballistic missile program which is not >covered by the deal, Bolton said. They will need these missiles for a
nuclear weapons program, he added.

Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei blasted the US charging that
it was untrustworthy and that it had been a mistake for his country to
enter into the deal.

“From day one, I said several times that the United States is not to be >trusted. I said it publicly and privately. I said if you want to sign an >agreement, first make sure that necessary guarantees are made,” Khamenei >said.

“What happened is a foul play on the part of the United States, and it
does not surprise us,” he said during a speech he gave in Tehran. An >English translation of his speech was published on his web page.

The issue, he said, is not Iran’s nuclear weapons program but the >persistent American animosity toward his country.

***

“But they’ll negotiate, or something will happen. And hopefully that won’t
be the case,” Trump said.

and from iran:

“From day one, I said several times that the United States is not to be >trusted."

### - negotiate my ass! there'll BE no more 'negotiation' from iran after >pulling out of the deal that was so hard to be struck in the first place?? >iran hates the US! despises it for perceived/actual slights previously
made against it! (backing iraq in an 8-year war with iran by proxy in
which maybe half a millions peeps died for example...) to the point of >labeling the US as being the great shat'an (satan!), something, a nasty
name, the muslims defo don't casually bandy about too often!

so then, a 'confrontation' (with iran) is now the name of the game folks!

a: do what we TELL ya or else! deal??

oh they'll respond sooo favourably to something like 'that' innit huh...

riiiiight...

What Trump has done is simply return to sanctions of the mullahs and
probably freeze whatever assets they hold in the US or within the US's
reach. There will be no further inspections. Other countries will
still trade with Iran (think Airbus instead of Boeing) but they then
may be subject to US sanctions as well.

Trump has very conservative ideas about freedom and realises that
there is no fucking freedom at all in Persia under current leadership.
If you ain't muslim, you ain't welcome in Iran and you might be
killed. I agree with the Donald on this one.

And this will not lead to war mate, it will just lead to higher, much
higher, fuel prices and a big increase in the value of the ruble. It
also fucks up China's plans for the middle east, a lot. Iran was
fundamental to its new silk road strategy and the Donald has torn that
to tatters because who's going to invest or do business with Iran now?

Use that mind of yours slider.

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From: slider@anashram.com

On Mon, 14 May 2018 06:23:31 +0100, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 20:59:37 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

US President Donald Trump warned Iran that there would be severe
consequences if it restarted its nuclear weapons program.

In a conversation with reporters in Washington before the cabinet
meeting
Trump said he believed Tehran would eventually renegotiate the 2015
nuclear deal between Tehran and the six world power.

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Trump-warns-Iran-Dont-restart-your-nuclear-weapons-program-556012

“I would advise Iran not to start their nuclear program. I would advise
them very strongly. If they do, there will be very severe consequence,”
Trump said.

The US President spoke one day after he announced the US withdrawal from
the Iran deal and the reimposition of US sanctions on Tehran.

“Iran will come back and say, “We don’t want to negotiate.” And of >> course,
they’re going to say that. And if I were in their position, I’d say
that,
too, for the first couple of months, “We’re not going to negotiate,’”
Trump said. “But they’ll negotiate, or something will happen. And
hopefully that won’t be the case,” Trump said.

The sanctions the US will place on Iran are the strongest it has ever
issued against any country, Trump said.

These sanctions are “going into effect very shortly. They’re mostly
constituted and drawn already,” Trump said.

This is “a deal to hurt the world and, certainly, Israel. You saw
Benjamin
Netanyahu get up yesterday and talk so favorably about what we did,”
Trump
said.

“We’re going to make either a really good deal for the world, or we’re >> not
going to make a deal at all,” Trump said.

US National Security Advisor John Bolton told CBS said the hope was that
the sanctions would be so crippling that Iran would be forced to give up
its ballistic missiles program.

Iran has increased spending on its ballistic missile program which is
not
covered by the deal, Bolton said. They will need these missiles for a
nuclear weapons program, he added.

Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei blasted the US charging
that
it was untrustworthy and that it had been a mistake for his country to
enter into the deal.

“From day one, I said several times that the United States is not to be
trusted. I said it publicly and privately. I said if you want to sign an
agreement, first make sure that necessary guarantees are made,” Khamenei >> said.

“What happened is a foul play on the part of the United States, and it
does not surprise us,” he said during a speech he gave in Tehran. An
English translation of his speech was published on his web page.

The issue, he said, is not Iran’s nuclear weapons program but the
persistent American animosity toward his country.

***

“But they’ll negotiate, or something will happen. And hopefully that
won’t
be the case,” Trump said.

and from iran:

“From day one, I said several times that the United States is not to be
trusted."

### - negotiate my ass! there'll BE no more 'negotiation' from iran
after
pulling out of the deal that was so hard to be struck in the first
place??
iran hates the US! despises it for perceived/actual slights previously
made against it! (backing iraq in an 8-year war with iran by proxy in
which maybe half a millions peeps died for example...) to the point of
labeling the US as being the great shat'an (satan!), something, a nasty
name, the muslims defo don't casually bandy about too often!

so then, a 'confrontation' (with iran) is now the name of the game
folks!

a: do what we TELL ya or else! deal??

oh they'll respond sooo favourably to something like 'that' innit huh...

riiiiight...

What Trump has done is simply return to sanctions of the mullahs and
probably freeze whatever assets they hold in the US or within the US's
reach. There will be no further inspections. Other countries will
still trade with Iran (think Airbus instead of Boeing) but they then
may be subject to US sanctions as well.

Trump has very conservative ideas about freedom and realises that
there is no fucking freedom at all in Persia under current leadership.
If you ain't muslim, you ain't welcome in Iran and you might be
killed. I agree with the Donald on this one.

And this will not lead to war mate, it will just lead to higher, much
higher, fuel prices and a big increase in the value of the ruble. It
also fucks up China's plans for the middle east, a lot. Iran was
fundamental to its new silk road strategy and the Donald has torn that
to tatters because who's going to invest or do business with Iran now?

Use that mind of yours slider.

### - your 'mind' has you all confused thang...

when it's your EYES you should be using!

heh :)

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

As U.S. Demands Nuclear Disarmament, It Moves to Expand Its Own Arsenal http://tinyurl.com/yb3b7ut8

May 14, 2018

WASHINGTON — For the White House, these have been dramatic days for nuclear disarmament: First President Trump exited the Iran deal, demanding that Tehran sign a new agreement that forever cuts off its path to making a bomb, then the administration
announced a first-ever meeting with the leader of North Korea about ridding his
nation of nuclear weapons.

But for the American arsenal, the initiatives are all going in the opposite direction, with a series of little-noticed announcements to spend billions of dollars building the factories needed to rejuvenate and expand America’s nuclear capacity.

The contrast has been striking. On Thursday evening, hours after Mr. Trump announced that his meeting with Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, would take place on June 12 in Singapore, the Pentagon and the Energy Department announced plans to begin
building critical components for next-generation nuclear weapons at the Savannah River Site in South Carolina.

The idea is to repurpose a half-built, problem-ridden complex that was originally intended to turn old nuclear weapons into reactor fuel to light American cities. Now the facility will be used to revitalize America’s aging nuclear weapons, and to
create the capacity to make many hundreds more.

The Pentagon, in its main nuclear strategy report released in February, cited North Korea’s ability to “illicitly produce nuclear warheads” as a major justification for the new effort.

Also last week, a strategic forces subcommittee in the House approved Trump administration plans to build a new kind of low-yield nuclear weapon, launched from submarines, to match Russian nuclear advances.

The chairman of the subcommittee, Mike D. Rogers, Republican of Alabama, said the decision was a reaction to the new arms race with Moscow. Mr. Trump said in
March that he intended to meet with President Vladimir V. Putin to discuss the arms race, which
he said was “getting out of control.” (No such meeting has yet been scheduled.)

“This committee knows what Russia’s up to with its nuclear weapons,” Mr. Rogers said. “It’s both sobering and horrifying.”

While it is possible that the American buildup is part of a negotiating strategy, offering Mr. Trump something he can trade away before it gets started, the White House has made clear, in both statements and strategy, that it envisions the reduction of
nuclear weapons as a one-way street.
It is hardly the first time the United States has seen no inconsistency in expanding its own nuclear capabilities while trying to persuade lesser powers to give up theirs.

In fact, the imbalance is built into the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, which
went into effect in 1970. It prohibits all states that did not already have the
bomb from building nuclear weapons. (Israel, Pakistan and India never joined, and North Korea
dropped out.)

But it also requires the acknowledged nuclear powers — the United States, Russia, China, Britain and France — to work toward “the cessation of the nuclear arms race and to nuclear disarmament,” and ultimately to complete their own disarmament.

For the two decades after the fall of the Berlin Wall, both the United States and Russia could argue that they were making progress on that promise. The number of nuclear weapons deployed by the two countries fell, and fell again, under a series of arms
control agreements, and as of earlier this year, both are now limited to 1,550 deployed weapons. Thousands more are in storage.

President Barack Obama argued that the United States could not urge other countries to give up nuclear programs while expanding its own. But many of his own aides later said they wished he had done far more to reduce America’s arsenal, arguing that it
could safely drop below the number the Russians deployed.

Now Mr. Trump is heading in the other direction. The United States has dramatically stepped up the effort to overhaul the existing arsenal and prepare
for the day when it might once again be enlarged. Unless the New Start Treaty is renewed for five years,
any limits on the American and Russian arsenals will expire in February 2021, just days after Mr. Trump would enter his second term.

In the meantime, the American government is doing all it can to make clear it is preparing for an era of nuclear buildup.

At the center of the Savannah River announcement is the American production of something the nuclear industry calls “pits.” That is a term for a small atom bomb that, when detonated inside a warhead, acts as an extraordinarily hot
match to ignite a
much larger mass of thermonuclear fuel. The resulting blast can easily be 1,000
times as powerful as the atomic bomb that destroyed Hiroshima.

One of the most closely held secrets of the nuclear age is how to make pits very small yet highly reliable. Most are about the size of a grapefruit. The small size makes thermonuclear warheads compact and lightweight enough to fit atop long-range
missiles — it is one of the technologies that North Korea has been seeking, and may have already figured out.

The announcement on Thursday sought to make lemonade out of two large federal lemons.

The pits have been made, until now, at the Los Alamos weapons laboratory in New
Mexico, where America’s first nuclear weapons were built. But the lab has suffered a humiliating string of operating and safety failures, which in 2015 led the Obama
administration to announce plans to end the current management contract there. Among the breakdowns was the management’s failure to come up with a credible plan for producing up to 80 pits a year.

At the same time, cost estimates for the Savannah River project to turn tons of
excess weapons-grade plutonium into fuel for commercial power reactors had soared to $17 billion.

Now that project is scrapped, and the two-pronged plan announced on Thursday will also take the production pressure off Los Alamos — a move that seeks to maintain its profile as a scientific research center rather than as a munitions
factory.

Los Alamos is to make 30 pits per year, and the South Carolina plant 50. That setup, the Energy and Defense Departments said, will improve “the resiliency,
flexibility and redundancy of our nuclear security enterprise by not relying on
a single
production site.” But it also signals a return to production of new weapons, even as Mr. Trump is withdrawing from the 2015 deal with Iran in part because of “sunset provisions” that he says will eventually allow Tehran to do the same.

The federal rationale for making up to 80 pits a year is hidden in layers of secrecy but turns on stated fears that the plutonium fuel at the heart of American weapons will deteriorate with age, eventually rendering them useless.

Whether that fear is justified is a matter of debate. In 2006, a federal nuclear panel found that the plutonium pits aged far better than expected, with
most able to work reliably for a century or more.

That judgment led critics to contend that the federal government was seeking a new generation of nuclear pits for reasons not of national security but of saber-rattling.

“No new pits are needed for any warhead,” Greg Mello, the executive director of the Los Alamos Study Group, a private organization in Albuquerque that monitors the nation’s nuclear complex and opposes expansion, said recently. “There are
thousands of pits stockpiled for possible reuse.”

The Pentagon’s Nuclear Posture Review, published in February, called for the new capability to produce plutonium pits. It also called on Congress to approve
the new low-yield nuclear weapons.

Last week, the full House Armed Services Committee endorsed the Nuclear Posture
Review, but with Democrats overwhelmingly voting against it.

“We have to have a credible deterrence, but I think the Nuclear Posture Review goes way beyond credible nuclear deterrence,” said Representative Adam
Smith of Washington, the top Democrat on the committee, warning that “we could stumble into a
nuclear war.”

***

We are not working for cessation or deterrence.
Whether or not it is a 'strategy' we are ramping UP nuclear weapons.
And if there's anyone who could "stumble into a nuclear war"
it is Donald Trump.

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From: slider@anashram.com

We are not working for cessation or deterrence.
Whether or not it is a 'strategy' we are ramping UP nuclear weapons.
And if there's anyone who could "stumble into a nuclear war"
it is Donald Trump.

### - precisely! + ain't exactly 'left' wing is he!

which precisely IS the problem with ALL of them... right-wingers!

they 'prefer' to throw their weight about!

"peace through strength"

riiiight...

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

North Korea indefinitely postponed high-level talks with South Korea scheduled for Wednesday, citing a joint South Korean-United States air force drill, South
Korean officials said.

Senior officials from the two Koreas had been scheduled to meet in the “truce
village” of Panmunjom on their border on Wednesday to discuss putting in place an agreement to improve ties between the countries that their leaders signed in a meeting on
April 27.

But in a move that caught South Korea off guard, North Korea called the South shortly after midnight Tuesday unilaterally announcing that the talks will be “postponed indefinitely,” the South’s Unification Ministry said. The North cited as a reason
the annual “Max Thunder” air force drill South Korea and the United States started last week, it said.

***

Oops.
Looks like they had 'expectations' we didn't fulfill. Already.
I for one am not surprised.

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From: slider@anashram.com

On Tue, 15 May 2018 21:11:05 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

North Korea indefinitely postponed high-level talks with South Korea scheduled for Wednesday, citing a joint South Korean-United States air
force drill, South Korean officials said.

Senior officials from the two Koreas had been scheduled to meet in the “truce village” of Panmunjom on their border on Wednesday to discuss putting in place an agreement to improve ties between the countries that their leaders signed in a meeting on April 27.

But in a move that caught South Korea off guard, North Korea called the
South shortly after midnight Tuesday unilaterally announcing that the
talks will be “postponed indefinitely,” the South’s Unification

Ministry

said. The North cited as a reason the annual “Max Thunder” air force drill South Korea and the United States started last week, it said.

***

Oops.
Looks like they had 'expectations' we didn't fulfill. Already.
I for one am not surprised.

### - do ya know just how many deals have been struck previously with
n.korea and broken again

by us??

the last was clinton, who set up a very nice + attractive deal for them,
one which included 2 brand new reactors to be build and fuel-supplied by
the US, IF they promised to forgo their pursuits in that direction!

they went for it, only of course they never received either the reactors
or the fuel! lol

and now, with the US pulling out of a really quite crucial peace-deal/arrangement with iran, it doesn't exactly inspire confidence elsewhere that any such agreements will ever be met?!

problem is... 'we' can't be trusted to ever keep our promises!?

iow: we'll 'say' anything! promise anything! just to get out 'own' way
while delaying whatever the other party was up to that was worrying us so
much in the first place??

so really can't see ding-dong taking 'that' chance, can you?

and even IF he did; chances are we'd duck-out on the deal at some point
anyhoo!

nah, it's not over yet there...

far from it!

(coo-ee thang! it's all going... wrong!)

hahaha :D

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From: slider@anashram.com

On Fri, 18 May 2018 17:48:31 +0100, Jeremy H. Donovan <jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com> wrote:

“If the United States is trying to drive us into a corner to force our unilateral nuclear abandonment, we will no longer be interested in such dialogue and cannot but reconsider our proceeding to the D.P.R.K.-U.S. summit,” the statement said, using the abbreviation for the North’s formal name, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

Mr. Kim said his country would never follow the path of Libya and Iraq,
which he said met a “miserable fate” at the hands of “big powers.”

### - (slider humming...) ding-dong the bells are gonna chime!

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From: jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 2:19:21 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:

On Tue, 15 May 2018 21:11:05 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
wrote:

North Korea indefinitely postponed high-level talks with South Korea scheduled for Wednesday, citing a joint South Korean-United States air force drill, South Korean officials said.

Senior officials from the two Koreas had been scheduled to meet in the “truce village” of Panmunjom on their border on Wednesday to discuss putting in place an agreement to improve ties between the countries that their leaders signed in a meeting on April 27.

But in a move that caught South Korea off guard, North Korea called the South shortly after midnight Tuesday unilaterally announcing that the talks will be “postponed indefinitely,” the South’s Unification

Ministry

said. The North cited as a reason the annual “Max Thunder” air force drill South Korea and the United States started last week, it said.

***

Oops.
Looks like they had 'expectations' we didn't fulfill. Already.
I for one am not surprised.

### - do ya know just how many deals have been struck previously with n.korea and broken again

Yeah, I posted an article that included info about that 5 days ago: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.dreams.castaneda/qlGCjqICmIY/5pdQeIHiCAAJ

by us??

the last was clinton, who set up a very nice + attractive deal for them, one which included 2 brand new reactors to be build and fuel-supplied by the US, IF they promised to forgo their pursuits in that direction!

they went for it, only of course they never received either the reactors
or the fuel! lol

No, that wasn't the last time. Quoting the article I posted before:

"North and South Korean leaders have signed grand peace documents
before, in 2000 and 2007, and neither lasted. In 2012, North Korea
agreed not to test missiles and then weeks later fired one off
but called it a “satellite” launch."

2000 and 2007 were both under Bush. 2012 was under Obama.

and now, with the US pulling out of a really quite crucial peace-deal/arrangement with iran, it doesn't exactly inspire confidence elsewhere that any such agreements will ever be met?!

problem is... 'we' can't be trusted to ever keep our promises!?

iow: we'll 'say' anything! promise anything! just to get out 'own' way while delaying whatever the other party was up to that was worrying us so much in the first place??

so really can't see ding-dong taking 'that' chance, can you?

and even IF he did; chances are we'd duck-out on the deal at some point anyhoo!

nah, it's not over yet there...

far from it!

(coo-ee thang! it's all going... wrong!)

hahaha :D

Excerpts from recent Times articles:

North Korea threw President Trump’s planned summit meeting with its leader, Kim Jong-un, into doubt on Wednesday, threatening to call off the landmark encounter if the United States insisted on “unilateral nuclear abandonment.”

The warning, made by the North’s disarmament negotiator, caught Trump administration officials off guard and set off an internal debate over whether Mr. Kim was merely posturing in advance of the meeting in Singapore next month or was erecting a
serious new hurdle.

The abrupt change in tone began early Wednesday, when North Korea indefinitely postponed high-level talks with South Korea over the North’s sudden objection
to joint military drills by the South and the United States that began last week. The North
also raised the possibility of scrapping the meeting with Mr. Trump.

Then hours later, the North broadened the source of its anger and sharpened the
threat to the summit with Mr. Trump.

John Bolton, the national security adviser, says the dismantling of Libya’s nuclear weapons program provides a playbook for North Korean denuclearization. The idea is provoking a lot of resistance and confusion.

Kim Kye-kwan, a vice foreign minister, rejected the administration’s demand that it quickly dismantle its nuclear program as Libya had done 15 years ago, singling out John R. Bolton, Mr. Trump’s new national security adviser, for condemnation.

“If the United States is trying to drive us into a corner to force our unilateral nuclear abandonment, we will no longer be interested in such dialogue and cannot but reconsider our proceeding to the D.P.R.K.-U.S. summit,” the statement said, using
the abbreviation for the North’s formal name, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

Mr. Kim said his country would never follow the path of Libya and Iraq, which he said met a “miserable fate” at the hands of “big powers.”

He said North Korea had “shed light on the quality of Bolton” in the past, “and we do not hide our feelings of repugnance towards him.”

***

Bolton is indeed repugnant, and we're probably in a heap o' trouble
if Bolton is heavily involved in either Iran or Korea.

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Mon, 14 May 2018 11:30:48 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 14 May 2018 06:23:31 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 20:59:37 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

US President Donald Trump warned Iran that there would be severe
consequences if it restarted its nuclear weapons program.

In a conversation with reporters in Washington before the cabinet
meeting
Trump said he believed Tehran would eventually renegotiate the 2015
nuclear deal between Tehran and the six world power.

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Trump-warns-Iran-Dont-restart-your-nuclear-weapons-program-556012

“I would advise Iran not to start their nuclear program. I would advise >>> them very strongly. If they do, there will be very severe consequence,” >>> Trump said.

The US President spoke one day after he announced the US withdrawal from >>> the Iran deal and the reimposition of US sanctions on Tehran.

“Iran will come back and say, “We don’t want to negotiate.” And of >>> course,
they’re going to say that. And if I were in their position, I’d say
that,
too, for the first couple of months, “We’re not going to negotiate,’”
Trump said. “But they’ll negotiate, or something will happen. And
hopefully that won’t be the case,” Trump said.

The sanctions the US will place on Iran are the strongest it has ever
issued against any country, Trump said.

These sanctions are “going into effect very shortly. They’re mostly
constituted and drawn already,” Trump said.

This is “a deal to hurt the world and, certainly, Israel. You saw
Benjamin
Netanyahu get up yesterday and talk so favorably about what we did,”
Trump
said.

“We’re going to make either a really good deal for the world, or we’re
not
going to make a deal at all,” Trump said.

US National Security Advisor John Bolton told CBS said the hope was that >>> the sanctions would be so crippling that Iran would be forced to give up >>> its ballistic missiles program.

Iran has increased spending on its ballistic missile program which is
not
covered by the deal, Bolton said. They will need these missiles for a
nuclear weapons program, he added.

Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei blasted the US charging
that
it was untrustworthy and that it had been a mistake for his country to
enter into the deal.

“From day one, I said several times that the United States is not to be >>> trusted. I said it publicly and privately. I said if you want to sign an >>> agreement, first make sure that necessary guarantees are made,” Khamenei >>> said.

“What happened is a foul play on the part of the United States, and it >>> does not surprise us,” he said during a speech he gave in Tehran. An
English translation of his speech was published on his web page.

The issue, he said, is not Iran’s nuclear weapons program but the
persistent American animosity toward his country.

***

“But they’ll negotiate, or something will happen. And hopefully that >>> won’t
be the case,” Trump said.

and from iran:

“From day one, I said several times that the United States is not to be >>> trusted."

### - negotiate my ass! there'll BE no more 'negotiation' from iran
after
pulling out of the deal that was so hard to be struck in the first
place??
iran hates the US! despises it for perceived/actual slights previously
made against it! (backing iraq in an 8-year war with iran by proxy in
which maybe half a millions peeps died for example...) to the point of
labeling the US as being the great shat'an (satan!), something, a nasty
name, the muslims defo don't casually bandy about too often!

so then, a 'confrontation' (with iran) is now the name of the game
folks!

a: do what we TELL ya or else! deal??

oh they'll respond sooo favourably to something like 'that' innit huh... >>>
riiiiight...

What Trump has done is simply return to sanctions of the mullahs and
probably freeze whatever assets they hold in the US or within the US's
reach. There will be no further inspections. Other countries will
still trade with Iran (think Airbus instead of Boeing) but they then
may be subject to US sanctions as well.

Trump has very conservative ideas about freedom and realises that
there is no fucking freedom at all in Persia under current leadership.
If you ain't muslim, you ain't welcome in Iran and you might be
killed. I agree with the Donald on this one.

And this will not lead to war mate, it will just lead to higher, much
higher, fuel prices and a big increase in the value of the ruble. It
also fucks up China's plans for the middle east, a lot. Iran was
fundamental to its new silk road strategy and the Donald has torn that
to tatters because who's going to invest or do business with Iran now?

Use that mind of yours slider.

### - your 'mind' has you all confused thang...

when it's your EYES you should be using!

heh :)

A blind man can still think.
A mindless man sees but doesn't understand.

Again, your high IQ lets you down...

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From: slider@anashram.com

On Mon, 21 May 2018 05:34:17 +0100, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 14 May 2018 11:30:48 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 14 May 2018 06:23:31 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2018 20:59:37 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

US President Donald Trump warned Iran that there would be severe
consequences if it restarted its nuclear weapons program.

In a conversation with reporters in Washington before the cabinet
meeting
Trump said he believed Tehran would eventually renegotiate the 2015
nuclear deal between Tehran and the six world power.

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Trump-warns-Iran-Dont-restart-your-nuclear-weapons-program-556012

“I would advise Iran not to start their nuclear program. I would
advise
them very strongly. If they do, there will be very severe
consequence,”
Trump said.

The US President spoke one day after he announced the US withdrawal
from
the Iran deal and the reimposition of US sanctions on Tehran.

“Iran will come back and say, “We don’t want to negotiate.” And of >>>> course,
they’re going to say that. And if I were in their position, I’d say >>>> that,
too, for the first couple of months, “We’re not going to negotiate,’”
Trump said. “But they’ll negotiate, or something will happen. And
hopefully that won’t be the case,” Trump said.

The sanctions the US will place on Iran are the strongest it has ever
issued against any country, Trump said.

These sanctions are “going into effect very shortly. They’re mostly >>>> constituted and drawn already,” Trump said.

This is “a deal to hurt the world and, certainly, Israel. You saw
Benjamin
Netanyahu get up yesterday and talk so favorably about what we did,” >>>> Trump
said.

“We’re going to make either a really good deal for the world, or we’re
not
going to make a deal at all,” Trump said.

US National Security Advisor John Bolton told CBS said the hope was
that
the sanctions would be so crippling that Iran would be forced to give
up
its ballistic missiles program.

Iran has increased spending on its ballistic missile program which is
not
covered by the deal, Bolton said. They will need these missiles for a
nuclear weapons program, he added.

Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei blasted the US charging
that
it was untrustworthy and that it had been a mistake for his country to >>>> enter into the deal.

“From day one, I said several times that the United States is not to >>>> be
trusted. I said it publicly and privately. I said if you want to sign
an
agreement, first make sure that necessary guarantees are made,”
Khamenei
said.

“What happened is a foul play on the part of the United States, and it >>>> does not surprise us,” he said during a speech he gave in Tehran. An >>>> English translation of his speech was published on his web page.

The issue, he said, is not Iran’s nuclear weapons program but the
persistent American animosity toward his country.

***

“But they’ll negotiate, or something will happen. And hopefully that >>>> won’t
be the case,” Trump said.

and from iran:

“From day one, I said several times that the United States is not to >>>> be
trusted."

### - negotiate my ass! there'll BE no more 'negotiation' from iran
after
pulling out of the deal that was so hard to be struck in the first
place??
iran hates the US! despises it for perceived/actual slights previously >>>> made against it! (backing iraq in an 8-year war with iran by proxy in
which maybe half a millions peeps died for example...) to the point of >>>> labeling the US as being the great shat'an (satan!), something, a
nasty
name, the muslims defo don't casually bandy about too often!

so then, a 'confrontation' (with iran) is now the name of the game
folks!

a: do what we TELL ya or else! deal??

oh they'll respond sooo favourably to something like 'that' innit
huh...

riiiiight...

What Trump has done is simply return to sanctions of the mullahs and
probably freeze whatever assets they hold in the US or within the US's
reach. There will be no further inspections. Other countries will
still trade with Iran (think Airbus instead of Boeing) but they then
may be subject to US sanctions as well.

Trump has very conservative ideas about freedom and realises that
there is no fucking freedom at all in Persia under current leadership.
If you ain't muslim, you ain't welcome in Iran and you might be
killed. I agree with the Donald on this one.

And this will not lead to war mate, it will just lead to higher, much
higher, fuel prices and a big increase in the value of the ruble. It
also fucks up China's plans for the middle east, a lot. Iran was
fundamental to its new silk road strategy and the Donald has torn that
to tatters because who's going to invest or do business with Iran now?

Use that mind of yours slider.

### - your 'mind' has you all confused thang...

when it's your EYES you should be using!

heh :)

A blind man can still think.
A mindless man sees but doesn't understand.

### - well according to 'that' reasoning you're mindless then because you
don't understand hah!

= you're both blind AND mindless hahaha! :)

(i did get that quote wrong though 'coz it's actually:

"a fool returns to his folly as a dog returns to its own vomit" )

heh :)

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From: slider@anashram.com

On Fri, 25 May 2018 05:42:50 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, May 18, 2018 at 10:23:44 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2018 17:48:31 +0100, Jeremy H. Donovan
<jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com> wrote:

“If the United States is trying to drive us into a corner to force our >> > unilateral nuclear abandonment, we will no longer be interested in

such

dialogue and cannot but reconsider our proceeding to the D.P.R.K.-U.S.
summit,” the statement said, using the abbreviation for the North’s
formal name, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

Mr. Kim said his country would never follow the path of Libya and

Iraq,

which he said met a “miserable fate” at the hands of “big powers.” >>

### - (slider humming...) ding-dong the bells are gonna chime!

:)

Trump has canceled the summit meeting with North Korea.

### - awww now 'why' would trumpy wanna worry poor old thang like that
just when he's gettin' used to feeling safe again down there in the
asshole of the world eh?? :D hehehe...

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Friday, May 18, 2018 at 10:23:44 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2018 17:48:31 +0100, Jeremy H. Donovan <jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com> wrote:

“If the United States is trying to drive us into a corner to force our unilateral nuclear abandonment, we will no longer be interested in such dialogue and cannot but reconsider our proceeding to the D.P.R.K.-U.S. summit,” the statement said, using the abbreviation for the North’s formal name, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

Mr. Kim said his country would never follow the path of Libya and Iraq, which he said met a “miserable fate” at the hands of “big powers.”

### - (slider humming...) ding-dong the bells are gonna chime!

:)

Trump has canceled the summit meeting with North Korea.

.

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

Yeah, it looks like Kim and Trump both want an agreement.
That's promising. Although both are so volatile it's still
hard to say how things will really turn out.

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From: slider@anashram.com

On Fri, 25 May 2018 05:42:50 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

Trump has canceled the summit meeting with North Korea.

### - haha and has now typically reinstated it again??

he's doin' it again isn't he! lol...

will he wont he, will he wont he, will he/wont he join the dance??

well fuck-knows by now!?

maybe? lol :)))

"don't follow leaders or walk near parking meters..."

damn!

(lol poor thang must be going up & down quicker than a whore's panties!:)

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