From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

Here's a leftist look at how bad this could get now...

Neocon Nightmare John Bolton Now Heavily Influencing Trump's
Foreign Policy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK4_Hv7FwxA

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From: slider@anashram.com

jeremy wrote...

Here's a leftist look at how bad this could get now...

Neocon Nightmare John Bolton Now Heavily Influencing Trump's
Foreign Policy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK4_Hv7FwxA

### - "he's just a lunatic!" (lol :))))

the best line of them all hehehe...

truth is though: they're ALL lunatics!

ALL of 'em! - totally fuckin' insane!

lol! (and i ain't joking!)

and that's the problem really:

no one realises that that's actually the case?? (those that don't realise
it perforce have been affected/infected with the very same
madness/disease!)

plus i know you've gots a bit of a bee in your bonnet re henry miller at
the mo', and with him havin' an ego and all thats... but... he was never
'more' correct than in his: 'air conditioned nightmare' concerning all of
the above? (i think/observe that he was anyway...)

for anyone even only 'half lucid' it's a terrifying critique! not only of america but the world! of the fallen state of: humanity! of how 'really'
fucked up it all actually was and is! (it's even worse now of course...)

(i've just bought an old copy of it and started reading it again decades
after reading it the first time; and it's just as devastating if not more
so! if only because i think i can appreciate it even more than i did back
then! fuck me, he's not pulling ANY punches! crash, bang, wallop! he kicks
yer fuckin' head right... in?? (owwwch!) and lol am only 30 pages or so
into it!)

re the ego bit? ya have to have 'some' ego! (smile... enough to be an independent witness at any rate!) plus, it's a fact, that all the 'best' literature begins with the word: 'I'

that (in real literature anyway) it's always best to speak/talk from
'personal' experience?

that if ya ever read it again, try to accept it as just an incredibly
astute human being telling it like it really + actually 'is', no holds
barred, no bs, yes with a trace of sadness and regret on millers part
(because it IS sad AND regretful! terribly so!) but is also the absolute
truth! all the gloss removed, the lies revealed, the confusion and how
lost the human race really + actually... is!

and i know ya don't like it (no one does! i certainly don't!) but it IS
the truth as IT is!

and that unless we first 'know' that, face it! (and perforce accept it!
the 'error' of it! the horror...) we's just 'never' gonna get out of it!

i hear some peeps kinda go all to pieces upon having such realisations,
get deadly cynical and stuff and all that (i know i certainly did a bit initially...) but we 'are' amazingly adaptable for all that innit, yeah?

it even straightens some peeps right out! ;)

happy landings anyway...

plus some good quotes from miller to come/follow for sure

he's sooo... awake! :)

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 08:58:05 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan" <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

Here's a leftist look at how bad this could get now...

Neocon Nightmare John Bolton Now Heavily Influencing Trump's
Foreign Policy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK4_Hv7FwxA

It appears you sympathise with "leftist" policy or ideology. Yet you
choose to live within and off the pre-eminent capitalist state.

Haven't you heard of the word "principle"? And what it connotes?

There isn't room in the US (or here for that matter) for supporters of
the broken ideal once known as communalism. It didn't work and
imploded badly in the old USSR - nor did it work in China. Why not be
central and lean in no direction?

I must admit I'm a little rightist, a little conservative, but that
comes with age I think, and it's therefore inevitable. To be old, as
I am, and still hippy in outlook, is delusional. One must grow up.

Buddhist theory says that pining for the old days or even nostalgia is
bad for the soul and the cause of dissatisfaction. I don't see it
that way and hence I am conservative in that regard but certainly
realistic in almost every way which has importance. Nothing stays the
same, communism and even leftist policy is dead but not quite buried
and you should get on with things and not be your typical Cali antiifa/dreadlocked (oops:) socialist no hoper banging at the doors of
reality.

I don't have an issue with Trump hiring Bolton. The US will still be
slow to jump into nuclear conflict with anyone let alone the Russians,
Chinese or even the DPRK. However, having him on board will give
pause to any bad actor plays using nuclear weaponry against the US or
its firm allies (EU, Canada, Australia, Japan, Phillipines).

Anything conventional the US will win anyhow, so where's the problem?
And it's been quite a while since the Yanks had the opportunity to try
out new weaponry and so on - Vietnam was the last large scale
conflict. You and your colleagues are well overdue for a halfway
decent testing-ground war...





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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

Here's a bit more of the view from the left, which
at the moment I'd have to say is... mostly accurate.
(I'm a centrist who leans left.)

***

With the 'Adults' Banished from the Oval Office,
Trump’s Wingnuts Take Control

Determined to win Ann Coulter back, Trump has surrounded himself
with far-right enablers. It’s gonna get ugly.

By Heather Digby Parton / Salon April 3, 2018, 7:40 AM GMT

Keeping with the old American tradition of lying, slagging immigrants and threatening America's southern neighbor in order to celebrate Passover and Easter Sunday, the president of the United States spent the weekend tweeting:

@realDonaldTrump
Border Patrol Agents are not allowed to properly do their job at the Border because of ridiculous liberal (Democrat) laws like Catch & Release. Getting more dangerous. “Caravans” coming. Republicans must go to Nuclear Option to
pass tough laws NOW.
NO MORE DACA DEAL!

@realDonaldTrump
Mexico is doing very little, if not NOTHING, at stopping people from flowing into Mexico through their Southern Border, and then into the U.S. They laugh at
our dumb immigration laws. They must stop the big drug and people flows, or I will stop their
cash cow, NAFTA. NEED WALL!

@realDonaldTrump
These big flows of people are all trying to take advantage of DACA. They want in on the act!

For many Americans and other people throughout the world, this might not have seemed like an appropriate day to deny hundreds of thousands of young people the security of living legally in the only country they have ever known. But our president is
laboring under a tremendous pressure to deal with the worst crisis facing his still-young administration: Ann Coulter is very, very upset.

@AnnCoulter
If he wanted to build a wall, he'd have built the wall. Suddenly noticing that he already has the power to do it is just a new way to keep scamming his voters...

That is just one of dozens of scathing Coulter tweets and columns excoriating Trump for his failure to build the wall. One can understand why he felt he needed to address the problem on the Christian world's greatest day of celebration.

All the leaking from the White House indicates that Trump has now taken the reins and plans to do exactly what he wants. But just because he is rejecting the advice of actual experts and professionals does not mean there's no one around he will listen to.
There are still people he respects, namely hardcore right-wing gadflies like Coulter, along with other ideological extremists, cynical media toadies and sycophants from the fever swamps. Those folks he still trusts.

This really isn't anything new. Think about it. Before Trump ever ran for president his closest buddies were the likes of legendary McCarthyite lawyer Roy Cohn and wacko Nixonian dirty trickster Roger Stone. When he seriously considered a run for
president in 2011, he positioned himself as a fringe conspiracy-theory player, the king of the birther movement, waging a crusade to find Barack Obama's supposedly missing birth certificate. We all remember Trump's semi-victorious 2016 campaign, which
featured the issues that have animated him since the 1980s -- paying back foreigners for "laughing" at the United States and "treating us unfairly," along with draconian criminal justice and civil liberties crackdowns, including
a sharp increase in
capital punishment. Frankly, those are the only topics in which Trump has ever showed much interest and his beliefs about them have always been based on simplistic "guy at the end of the bar" observations, never informed by real facts or expertise.

Some ideas came up in the 2016 race that were simply instructive, like, "Torture works, don't let anyone tell you otherwise" and "I'd bomb the shit out
of 'em and take the oil." You don't need to read a briefing book to hold such lizard-brain beliefs.
But the rest of Trump's alleged populist agenda was gleaned mostly from talk radio and presented to him in the form of reports about what the far right cares about. Everything from immigration to the Muslim ban to Common Core and the border wall came
from that indoctrination into the thinking of Wingnut Land. That was the basis for Trump's ideology, such as it is.

New York Times columnist Frank Bruni referred to Coulter as Trump's "muse" and "oracle" in an interview this weekend, correctly noting that it was her book “¡Adios, America!” that inspired Trump's anti-immigration rhetoric claiming that Mexicans
rapists and criminals were flooding into the country. His adoption of Coulter's
xenophobic rants led her to declare at a 2015 rally, “Since Donald Trump has announced that he is running for president, I felt like I’m dreaming” and to support him
enthusiastically throughout the primaries. She explained to Bruni:

Every day, you’d wake up and they’d be arguing about anchor babies and sanctuary cities. We never saw that before, not on Fox, not on MSNBC. You never
saw people talking about it.

That's true enough. But right-wingers had been talking about it on talk radio nonstop, along with crackpot conspiracy theories about the "NAFTA Superhighway"
and Sharia law taking over the country and a generalized fear of foreigners of all persuasions,
which dovetailed nicely with Trump's long-held prejudices. By that time, Breitbart News had been on the racist xenophobic beat for several years as well. White nationalism has always undergirded the ideology of the far right, but it had bubbled up very
close to the surface before Trump came along to give it some star power.

Bruni's Times interview with Coulter confirms that she has been to the White House to advise the president in person. Apparently, she was the only one who would tell him he came off like Eva Perón for hiring Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump, whom she
despises, when others like Corey Lewandowski, Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller and Peter Thiel all refused. (No doubt Trump was confused about why Coulter claimed
he reminded her of a Broadway singer.)

This wasn't unusual, of course. Even Trump's professional political staff were creatures of the far right. Kellyanne Conway, David Bossie, Bannon and Miller, among others who worked on the campaign, had been involved in right-wing smear operations or
were ideological extremists. But once in office Trump did manage to hire a handful of more mainstream figures who most people hoped might tutor him and sand off some of the worst hate-radio edges. We know how that worked out.

As the Washington Post put it in this comprehensive round-up of all the recent changes: "White House stabilizers gone, Trump calling his own shots." He's doing that to be sure, but he's getting a little help from his friends.

Trump took yet another extended weekend at Mar-a-Lago over the Easter holiday, and when he wasn't playing golf or watching "Fox & Friends" he spent it dining with people he trusts. He had dinner with the boxing promoter and pardoned killer Don King, who
reassured him that the Stormy Daniels story was "ridiculous." (One wonders what
King thought about Trump's furious tweets condemning California Gov. Jerry Brown for pardoning five immigrants.) He also spent time with former campaign manager Corey
Lewandowski and former deputy campaign manager David Bossie, both of whom can be counted upon to tell him exactly what he wants to hear.

On Good Friday, Trump dined with the man who might just be his most trusted adviser of all these days, Fox News host Sean Hannity. According to a club member, the president "seemed very, very happy," which makes sense since nobody
in this world loves
Donald Trump more unconditionally than Hannity.

All these far-right extremists and fringe characters are delivering the same message: Let Trump be Trump. What they really mean by that is to let Trump do what they want him to do, which also happens to be what he wants to do. He is one of them, and he's
now decided they are all the help he needs to run the country.

***

Heather Digby Parton, also known as "Digby," is a contributing writer to Salon.
She was the winner of the 2014 Hillman Prize for Opinion and Analysis Journalism.

***

In other words, you only think you've been to crazy town.
These loonies are just getting ramped up. Shit is gonna get
even scarier... and even weirder... like everywhere you look.

That 10% fall from the stock market peak in January is considered
a "market correction". Trump doesn't even do economics well.
And everything else he does is enormously worse.
His own supporters in the heartland will suffer the most.

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From: slider@anashram.com

Jeremy wrote...

(I'm a centrist who leans left.)

### - hmm, isn't that just an alternate description of... falling over?
(j/k) :)

plus not when you're angry you ain't 'coz then you leans distinctly right!
(all that hate & attacking & stuff defo ain't comin' from the left??)
sitting down and 'discussing' shit, due debate & democracy + definite
applied intelligence (a balanced/considered sanity iow...) that's what the
left brings (or should bring) to the table?

in which case; you're more like a spinning top that ain't quite spinning properly (or enough) to remain steadfastly upright? (kidding? plus might
sound like just am being mean here only i ain't, am making a serious point albeit said/done in a jocular manner as, ahem, befits my rather malicious/sarcastic sense of humour hehehe... i.e., if we weren't always
at loggerheads it would just be another normal joke/jibe, with a bit of intelligence thrown in heh; a bit like calling thang a cunt?: he never
takes it personally...)

***

In other words, you only think you've been to crazy town.
These loonies are just getting ramped up. Shit is gonna get
even scarier... and even weirder... like everywhere you look.

### - since that fucker took office (and no, i don't like him either! am terrified of him/what he represents on the world stage! which, when it's
coming from the right, is always but always a truly horrible + dastardly prospect; like some big dark hand coming down on the world! especially
after obama??) he's been deliberately grabbing everyone's attention in one
way or another! the spectrum of this 'activity' sooo wide (covering so
many different problems and points of interest/focus globally) so as to
include virtually everyone! thus he's got 'everyone' up in arms! even
other nations??

ALL of which i consider to be completely deliberate & contrived right from
the off! (i.e., i keep hearing/remembering him saying, right at the
beginning and just before everything kicked-off: 'yeah we've got some things/stuff coming up in the next few weeks that i think you'll find interesting' or words to that effect, the first of which (if i remember correctly) was launching 50 missiles at syria/russia! and then everything
else that's happened since then! attacking the press! blatant in-house
rumour mongering/legal shit! korea! all of it quite dramatic & totally attention grabbing! (ya's don't get much more attention grabbing than ww3
right on yer doorstep do ya's! we're being played i tell ya!)

"peace through strength" - jeeesus! (i.e., bush did something very similar
by declaring 'war on terror' and then blowing the shit outta iraq?
completely unjustified of course as it turned out, but by the time it all
came out the world had moved so far on that no one any longer gave too
fucks about it; so he got away with it then! in the interim he was (and
NOW is again in the form of trump) the big star leader of the world! what
a coincidence! (not...)

That 10% fall from the stock market peak in January is considered
a "market correction". Trump doesn't even do economics well.
And everything else he does is enormously worse.
His own supporters in the heartland will suffer the most.

### - name even ONE key area that's been 'left out' of this attention
grabbing arena/horse-show exercise?

there isn't one! everything of existing potential controversy has been
covered, and then some??

and, if ya's suddenly starting to feel like a 'passenger' in this journey
to hell 'boat-ride', with absolutely no (effective) say in the matter,
then you'd be completely correct! everyone's already 2 or 3 moves behind!
well behind! plus, by the time it all comes out as to what 'really'
happened & why it'll be 10 years down the road + far too late by then to
ever DO anything!

that was the 'bush' recipe... and, which 'appears' to be the only recipe they've ever had and/or gots! trump's a showman! AND he's certainly gots a totally captive audience by now!

(the rights' idea of 'fun' is to play one-handed juggle with say a few
live nukes and then laugh at all the scaredy-cat natives shitting
themselves in terror while they sit back quaffing their totally expensive brandies??)

and there's only one answer to such global 'hypnotism' on such a scale -
pay no attention! - and defo look in the places they *ain't* pointing at!

iow: fuck 'em! - don't GIVE 'em... shit!

and 'coz there's nuthin' anyone can actually DO about it today/right now
when it's needed!

fuck 'em! (don't hate them, that's giving 'em way too much?)

outright blank 'em! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPfFhfSuUZ4&list=PL8F6B0753B2CCA128

(can't get into trouble with jazz!)

get 'Miles' from the madding crowd?

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Wednesday, April 4, 2018 at 9:43:42 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:

Jeremy wrote...

(I'm a centrist who leans left.)

### - hmm, isn't that just an alternate description of... falling over?
(j/k) :)

plus not when you're angry you ain't 'coz then you leans distinctly right! (all that hate & attacking & stuff defo ain't comin' from the left??)
sitting down and 'discussing' shit, due debate & democracy + definite
applied intelligence (a balanced/considered sanity iow...) that's what the left brings (or should bring) to the table?

Not a big enough man to stop believing your own bullshit
or to stop trying to bait me into arguments with you.

Slider: "i really haven't changed, or even toned it down any heh,
am exactly the same as day one on here nearly 20 years ago..."

You probably think that made you seem wise or intelligent -
but what it really says is that not only are you dishonest,
but you also don't ever admit your mistakes or learn from them.
You believe it's a sign of 'strength' not to change and grow -
but truly it's anything but.

I noticed that about you long ago - and you just admitted it. :)

in which case; you're more like a spinning top that ain't quite spinning properly (or enough) to remain steadfastly upright? (kidding? plus might sound like just am being mean here only i ain't, am making a serious point albeit said/done in a jocular manner as, ahem, befits my rather malicious/sarcastic sense of humour hehehe... i.e., if we weren't always
at loggerheads it would just be another normal joke/jibe, with a bit of intelligence thrown in heh; a bit like calling thang a cunt?: he never
takes it personally...)

***

In other words, you only think you've been to crazy town.
These loonies are just getting ramped up. Shit is gonna get
even scarier... and even weirder... like everywhere you look.

### - since that fucker took office (and no, i don't like him either! am terrified of him/what he represents on the world stage! which, when it's coming from the right, is always but always a truly horrible + dastardly prospect; like some big dark hand coming down on the world! especially
after obama??) he's been deliberately grabbing everyone's attention in one way or another! the spectrum of this 'activity' sooo wide (covering so
many different problems and points of interest/focus globally) so as to include virtually everyone! thus he's got 'everyone' up in arms! even
other nations??

ALL of which i consider to be completely deliberate & contrived right from the off! (i.e., i keep hearing/remembering him saying, right at the
beginning and just before everything kicked-off: 'yeah we've got some things/stuff coming up in the next few weeks that i think you'll find interesting' or words to that effect, the first of which (if i remember correctly) was launching 50 missiles at syria/russia! and then everything else that's happened since then! attacking the press! blatant in-house
rumour mongering/legal shit! korea! all of it quite dramatic & totally attention grabbing! (ya's don't get much more attention grabbing than ww3 right on yer doorstep do ya's! we're being played i tell ya!)

"peace through strength" - jeeesus! (i.e., bush did something very similar
by declaring 'war on terror' and then blowing the shit outta iraq?
completely unjustified of course as it turned out, but by the time it all came out the world had moved so far on that no one any longer gave too
fucks about it; so he got away with it then! in the interim he was (and
NOW is again in the form of trump) the big star leader of the world! what
a coincidence! (not...)

If they start a war with Iran (which looks rather likely) they'll
tear the shit out of the Middle East even worse than last time.

That 10% fall from the stock market peak in January is considered
a "market correction". Trump doesn't even do economics well.
And everything else he does is enormously worse.
His own supporters in the heartland will suffer the most.

### - name even ONE key area that's been 'left out' of this attention grabbing arena/horse-show exercise?

there isn't one! everything of existing potential controversy has been covered, and then some??

and, if ya's suddenly starting to feel like a 'passenger' in this journey
to hell 'boat-ride', with absolutely no (effective) say in the matter,
then you'd be completely correct! everyone's already 2 or 3 moves behind! well behind! plus, by the time it all comes out as to what 'really'
happened & why it'll be 10 years down the road + far too late by then to
ever DO anything!

Oh, believe me, I know. But there's going to be a reckoning...

that was the 'bush' recipe... and, which 'appears' to be the only recipe they've ever had and/or gots! trump's a showman! AND he's certainly gots a totally captive audience by now!

(the rights' idea of 'fun' is to play one-handed juggle with say a few
live nukes and then laugh at all the scaredy-cat natives shitting
themselves in terror while they sit back quaffing their totally expensive brandies??)

and there's only one answer to such global 'hypnotism' on such a scale -
pay no attention! - and defo look in the places they *ain't* pointing at!

iow: fuck 'em! - don't GIVE 'em... shit!

and 'coz there's nuthin' anyone can actually DO about it today/right now
when it's needed!

fuck 'em! (don't hate them, that's giving 'em way too much?)

outright blank 'em! :)

Of course, this is where we never agree (and I guess never will).
Blanking does nothing. You have to STOP them. Point out in public
every bad thing they do. Sue them every time they break the law.
Take back Congress again so they can't get anything changed without
playing ball. If you just 'blank' Nazis, they take over everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPfFhfSuUZ4&list=PL8F6B0753B2CCA128

(can't get into trouble with jazz!)

get 'Miles' from the madding crowd?

;)

Speaking of music, Spotify went public with their stock yesterday -
one of the 10 biggest initial offerings ever, with a company already
valued at around $26 billion. I'd been following them and using
their service for a while because I noticed they offer a great
catalog and I like their features and functionality.

For example, try finding songs by Hendrix, Dylan, or the Beatles
on YouTube and... you often won't find what you want (or if you
do, often it will be of questionable quality and/or will get
taken down). But on Spotify, you can get almost anything they've
ever done, in original high res, often including boxed sets. :)
They've got nearly everything Miles ever did for streaming.
(Over 75 complete albums available.)

We have a family Premium commercial-free subscription.

For example, here's my "Beatles et Al" Spotify playlist (460 songs): https://open.spotify.com/user/1291310352/playlist/7ibgl9kMSZmGbTSWuVoZE5?si=5H_mRiM4TrCr-fXsfeaUrg

Or perhaps you'd prefer my 'Mingus' playlist (94 songs): https://open.spotify.com/user/1291310352/playlist/5513NIyZ29eQQGiuf4zYv2?si=u0zfdzBlRLW3J9tcjiNAhw

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Wed, 04 Apr 2018 17:43:39 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

Jeremy wrote...

(I'm a centrist who leans left.)

### - hmm, isn't that just an alternate description of... falling over?
(j/k) :)

Lol. If that's original, it's also impressive. I would say however
that leaning is the first stage of falling over...

plus not when you're angry you ain't 'coz then you leans distinctly right! >(all that hate & attacking & stuff defo ain't comin' from the left??)
sitting down and 'discussing' shit, due debate & democracy + definite
applied intelligence (a balanced/considered sanity iow...) that's what the >left brings (or should bring) to the table?

Nope, wrong. Hatred is human not abstract political. It's a basic
survival trait enabling violence supporting continuation of the DNA
and therefore propagation of the fittest.

Because abstract political thought overlays basic human traits such as
hatred, love, hunger and all of those other things on the lower levels
of the Maslovian Heirarchy, it also contains, regardless of "leaning",
all of those elements.

That's why the extreme right ideologies of the early 20th century
resulted in and were partly based on hatred of races such as Jews,
Gypsies, Slavs and others - and extreme left wind ideologies about the
same time resulted in hatred of capitalist and bourgeois classes
resulting in the great famines in Ukraine and millions killed in China
by Mao.

Hatred is an equal opportunity employer.

in which case; you're more like a spinning top that ain't quite spinning >properly (or enough) to remain steadfastly upright? (kidding? plus might >sound like just am being mean here only i ain't, am making a serious point >albeit said/done in a jocular manner as, ahem, befits my rather >malicious/sarcastic sense of humour hehehe... i.e., if we weren't always
at loggerheads it would just be another normal joke/jibe, with a bit of >intelligence thrown in heh; a bit like calling thang a cunt?: he never
takes it personally...)

There's no doubt Dave is leftist in ideology. Similarly, I am
rightist in ideology. Neither is bereft of flaws or benefits. Bit
like the yin-yang with the little black dot in the white and the
little white dot in the black...

For instance, in Australia we have one of the best public free health
systems in the world (Medicare - free for citizens) and one of the
best welfare support systems (age pension, dole, disability pension
etc - Centrelink) in the world - both resulting from our socialist
Labor Party (they gave up trying to socialise industry, production,
exchange well before WW2). On the other hand, Liberals, our
conservative (Tory) party, have given us the freedom to conduct
private business and pursue happiness thereof (and risk capital),
strong alliances with other nations, significant defence in times we
need same and the usual Tory things which stop us plunging into full
fledged communalism (personal freedom and maintainance of democracy).

***

In other words, you only think you've been to crazy town.
These loonies are just getting ramped up. Shit is gonna get
even scarier... and even weirder... like everywhere you look.

### - since that fucker took office (and no, i don't like him either! am >terrified of him/what he represents on the world stage! which, when it's >coming from the right, is always but always a truly horrible + dastardly >prospect; like some big dark hand coming down on the world! especially
after obama??) he's been deliberately grabbing everyone's attention in one >way or another! the spectrum of this 'activity' sooo wide (covering so
many different problems and points of interest/focus globally) so as to >include virtually everyone! thus he's got 'everyone' up in arms! even
other nations??

It's part of his plan. He is not particularly stupid but has issues
with expression and his philandering is much less than what Bill did
to/with Monica last century. He hasn't bombed cities like Bill either
(Serbia, remember?) or taken out heads of state like Gaddafi
(Democrat) and Saddam (GOP). How soon people forget...

ALL of which i consider to be completely deliberate & contrived right from >the off! (i.e., i keep hearing/remembering him saying, right at the
beginning and just before everything kicked-off: 'yeah we've got some >things/stuff coming up in the next few weeks that i think you'll find >interesting' or words to that effect, the first of which (if i remember >correctly) was launching 50 missiles at syria/russia! and then everything >else that's happened since then! attacking the press! blatant in-house
rumour mongering/legal shit! korea! all of it quite dramatic & totally >attention grabbing! (ya's don't get much more attention grabbing than ww3 >right on yer doorstep do ya's! we're being played i tell ya!)

He didn't launch at Russia - it was Syrian forces for using gas
against civvies and he could just have easily taken out Assad but
hasn't. Re: DPRK, he may well be the first to take those fuckers on
head on, there will be a summit between Don and Kim later this month,
something Obama never managed.

"peace through strength" - jeeesus! (i.e., bush did something very similar
by declaring 'war on terror' and then blowing the shit outta iraq?
completely unjustified of course as it turned out, but by the time it all >came out the world had moved so far on that no one any longer gave too
fucks about it; so he got away with it then! in the interim he was (and
NOW is again in the form of trump) the big star leader of the world! what
a coincidence! (not...)

But Slider, peace DOES come through strength between nations. Look at
your country, holding an empire, perhaps the largest in acreage the
world has ever seen, with the bare minimum of redcoats - just first
class organisation, a great navy, first rate communications and
enormous ruthlessness. Now the Americans showed a strong core and
beat them at their own game, with a little help from the French.
Otherwise, there would be no USA, just colonies of GB.

It was Bush by the way who tore up START II by withdrawing from the
ABM treaty which caused the Russians to withdraw from START II, which
had already been ratified by them. ABMs are destabilisinig. Bush was
a fucking criminal for pursuing them. Compared to Trump, Bush was a
village idiot.

That 10% fall from the stock market peak in January is considered
a "market correction". Trump doesn't even do economics well.
And everything else he does is enormously worse.
His own supporters in the heartland will suffer the most.

### - name even ONE key area that's been 'left out' of this attention >grabbing arena/horse-show exercise?

there isn't one! everything of existing potential controversy has been >covered, and then some??

On the nail!

and, if ya's suddenly starting to feel like a 'passenger' in this journey
to hell 'boat-ride', with absolutely no (effective) say in the matter,
then you'd be completely correct! everyone's already 2 or 3 moves behind! >well behind! plus, by the time it all comes out as to what 'really'
happened & why it'll be 10 years down the road + far too late by then to
ever DO anything!

It didn't start with Trump. It all started a long time ago, perhaps
the outcome of WW2 when the USSR incorporated the Baltic States and
assumed all of Poland, Hungary, Romania and so on. The Baltic States
are historically associated with Russia, as is Ukraine, Byelorussia,
Serbia, Slovenia and Croatia and so on - shit, even the Greeks share
the cyrillic alphabet with the Russians.

Now the ABM network started by Bush is threatening the Russians and
the formerly Russian friendship states of Latvia, Estonia and
Lithuania are now NATO members, a major insult and danger to the
Russians (I don't like Russians but I can see their point). Have a
look at this also:

https://www.nato.int/docu/review/2016/Also-in-2016/security-baltic-defense-nato/EN/index.htm

Note where the Balts are vis a vis the Russians and Belarussis (White
Russia). Note that Poland and these three states may already have
ABMs emplaced (not sure on that one). Note this in context of Bush
withdrawing from the ABM treaty in 2002 which was lambasted by Putin
and which is understandable from a destrabilisation perspective.

https://missiontonato.mid.ru/web/nato-en/russia-nato-facts-and-myths#p4

that was the 'bush' recipe... and, which 'appears' to be the only recipe >they've ever had and/or gots! trump's a showman! AND he's certainly gots a >totally captive audience by now!

You got it. This does not mean he is simplistic or low in intellect.
The man turned a small fortune into a massive fortune, that takes
intellect and balls.

(the rights' idea of 'fun' is to play one-handed juggle with say a few
live nukes and then laugh at all the scaredy-cat natives shitting
themselves in terror while they sit back quaffing their totally expensive >brandies??)

It's a bit more serious than that, but with ABMs banned, the situation
was entirely stable for decade after decade (Mutually Assured
Destruction). Bush destabilised that. Now Comrade Trump has the
opportunity to re-stabilise the two systems, capitalism and
post-communism.

and there's only one answer to such global 'hypnotism' on such a scale -
pay no attention! - and defo look in the places they *ain't* pointing at!

Yep. It won't blow up anytime soon.

iow: fuck 'em! - don't GIVE 'em... shit!

and 'coz there's nuthin' anyone can actually DO about it today/right now
when it's needed!

Well there's fuck all anyone on this newsgroup can do, that's for
shure ...

fuck 'em! (don't hate them, that's giving 'em way too much?)

outright blank 'em! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPfFhfSuUZ4&list=PL8F6B0753B2CCA128

(can't get into trouble with jazz!)

get 'Miles' from the madding crowd?

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Wed, 4 Apr 2018 13:31:38 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan" <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 4, 2018 at 9:43:42 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:

Jeremy wrote...

(I'm a centrist who leans left.)

### - hmm, isn't that just an alternate description of... falling over?
(j/k) :)

plus not when you're angry you ain't 'coz then you leans distinctly right! >> (all that hate & attacking & stuff defo ain't comin' from the left??)
sitting down and 'discussing' shit, due debate & democracy + definite
applied intelligence (a balanced/considered sanity iow...) that's what the >> left brings (or should bring) to the table?

Not a big enough man to stop believing your own bullshit
or to stop trying to bait me into arguments with you.

Pardon me for interrupting, but I don't see his response to you as
bait. It was actually quite sensible apart from his quaint way of
expression.

Slider: "i really haven't changed, or even toned it down any heh,
am exactly the same as day one on here nearly 20 years ago..."

You probably think that made you seem wise or intelligent -
but what it really says is that not only are you dishonest,
but you also don't ever admit your mistakes or learn from them.
You believe it's a sign of 'strength' not to change and grow -
but truly it's anything but.

I agree, we all change. From day to day if not minute to minute.
Several personalities battling for supremacy all of the time. Slider
has of course changed, as we all have, even if he denies this or truly
hasn't noticed. Of course he has. Life is dynamic even for those who
don't want to change.

I noticed that about you long ago - and you just admitted it. :)

in which case; you're more like a spinning top that ain't quite spinning
properly (or enough) to remain steadfastly upright? (kidding? plus might
sound like just am being mean here only i ain't, am making a serious point >> albeit said/done in a jocular manner as, ahem, befits my rather
malicious/sarcastic sense of humour hehehe... i.e., if we weren't always
at loggerheads it would just be another normal joke/jibe, with a bit of
intelligence thrown in heh; a bit like calling thang a cunt?: he never
takes it personally...)

***

In other words, you only think you've been to crazy town.
These loonies are just getting ramped up. Shit is gonna get
even scarier... and even weirder... like everywhere you look.

### - since that fucker took office (and no, i don't like him either! am
terrified of him/what he represents on the world stage! which, when it's
coming from the right, is always but always a truly horrible + dastardly
prospect; like some big dark hand coming down on the world! especially
after obama??) he's been deliberately grabbing everyone's attention in one >> way or another! the spectrum of this 'activity' sooo wide (covering so
many different problems and points of interest/focus globally) so as to
include virtually everyone! thus he's got 'everyone' up in arms! even
other nations??

ALL of which i consider to be completely deliberate & contrived right from >> the off! (i.e., i keep hearing/remembering him saying, right at the
beginning and just before everything kicked-off: 'yeah we've got some
things/stuff coming up in the next few weeks that i think you'll find
interesting' or words to that effect, the first of which (if i remember
correctly) was launching 50 missiles at syria/russia! and then everything
else that's happened since then! attacking the press! blatant in-house
rumour mongering/legal shit! korea! all of it quite dramatic & totally
attention grabbing! (ya's don't get much more attention grabbing than ww3
right on yer doorstep do ya's! we're being played i tell ya!)

"peace through strength" - jeeesus! (i.e., bush did something very similar >> by declaring 'war on terror' and then blowing the shit outta iraq?
completely unjustified of course as it turned out, but by the time it all
came out the world had moved so far on that no one any longer gave too
fucks about it; so he got away with it then! in the interim he was (and
NOW is again in the form of trump) the big star leader of the world! what
a coincidence! (not...)

If they start a war with Iran (which looks rather likely) they'll
tear the shit out of the Middle East even worse than last time.

Like many, I do not trust the Iranian Mullahs. The people are ok, I
know many of them but the Mullahs are theocratic and ruthless nasty
buggers. It seems right for Trump not to trust them. How does anyone
know they are not developing small scale nukes for use against the
Israelis?

It's more likely that Trump will hit DPRK because DPRK has the means
to destroy LA, Seattle, Washington etc - Pacific coastal cities
including yours. Iran does not. He can leave Iran up to the Israelis
and Saudis...but will probably do nothing.

That 10% fall from the stock market peak in January is considered
a "market correction". Trump doesn't even do economics well.
And everything else he does is enormously worse.
His own supporters in the heartland will suffer the most.

### - name even ONE key area that's been 'left out' of this attention
grabbing arena/horse-show exercise?

there isn't one! everything of existing potential controversy has been
covered, and then some??

and, if ya's suddenly starting to feel like a 'passenger' in this journey
to hell 'boat-ride', with absolutely no (effective) say in the matter,
then you'd be completely correct! everyone's already 2 or 3 moves behind!
well behind! plus, by the time it all comes out as to what 'really'
happened & why it'll be 10 years down the road + far too late by then to
ever DO anything!

Oh, believe me, I know. But there's going to be a reckoning...

No there won't. History is written by the winners or at least the
politicians. Why wasn't Blair indicted for war crimes in Iraq?

that was the 'bush' recipe... and, which 'appears' to be the only recipe
they've ever had and/or gots! trump's a showman! AND he's certainly gots a >> totally captive audience by now!

(the rights' idea of 'fun' is to play one-handed juggle with say a few
live nukes and then laugh at all the scaredy-cat natives shitting
themselves in terror while they sit back quaffing their totally expensive
brandies??)

and there's only one answer to such global 'hypnotism' on such a scale -
pay no attention! - and defo look in the places they *ain't* pointing at!

iow: fuck 'em! - don't GIVE 'em... shit!

and 'coz there's nuthin' anyone can actually DO about it today/right now
when it's needed!

fuck 'em! (don't hate them, that's giving 'em way too much?)

outright blank 'em! :)

Of course, this is where we never agree (and I guess never will).
Blanking does nothing. You have to STOP them. Point out in public
every bad thing they do. Sue them every time they break the law.
Take back Congress again so they can't get anything changed without
playing ball. If you just 'blank' Nazis, they take over everything.

How can you stop nuclear weapons from being developed and produced?
You couldn't even stop Trump from being elected. How can you
influence Putin, a KGB graduate? You can't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPfFhfSuUZ4&list=PL8F6B0753B2CCA128

(can't get into trouble with jazz!)

get 'Miles' from the madding crowd?

;)

Speaking of music, Spotify went public with their stock yesterday -
one of the 10 biggest initial offerings ever, with a company already
valued at around $26 billion. I'd been following them and using
their service for a while because I noticed they offer a great
catalog and I like their features and functionality.

For example, try finding songs by Hendrix, Dylan, or the Beatles
on YouTube and... you often won't find what you want (or if you
do, often it will be of questionable quality and/or will get
taken down). But on Spotify, you can get almost anything they've
ever done, in original high res, often including boxed sets. :)
They've got nearly everything Miles ever did for streaming.
(Over 75 complete albums available.)

We have a family Premium commercial-free subscription.

For example, here's my "Beatles et Al" Spotify playlist (460 songs): >https://open.spotify.com/user/1291310352/playlist/7ibgl9kMSZmGbTSWuVoZE5?si=5H_mRiM4TrCr-fXsfeaUrg

Or perhaps you'd prefer my 'Mingus' playlist (94 songs): >https://open.spotify.com/user/1291310352/playlist/5513NIyZ29eQQGiuf4zYv2?si=u0zfdzBlRLW3J9tcjiNAhw

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From: slider@anashram.com

On Wed, 04 Apr 2018 21:31:38 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

Slider: "i really haven't changed, or even toned it down any heh,
am exactly the same as day one on here nearly 20 years ago..."

You probably think that made you seem wise or intelligent -
but what it really says is that not only are you dishonest,
but you also don't ever admit your mistakes or learn from them.
You believe it's a sign of 'strength' not to change and grow -
but truly it's anything but.

I noticed that about you long ago - and you just admitted it. :)

### - you've 'had' your chance, some time back now, to literally list my mistakes/errors and/or your claimed wrongs + ram them down my throat, i challenged you to prove me 'wrong' in something (anything!) over the last
20 years and you couldn't do it?? instead you presented a fatuous list of maybe's & imagined wrongs on my part, not one of which held up under
scrutiny, but did you 'learn' from that? not a chance! because here you
are back again indulging in slinging imagined 'beliefs' at yours truly
with no 'evidence' whatsoever to back it up except your... opinion??
riiight...

i already 'gave' you the genuine chance to back up your spurious
accusations and you failed miserably; you don't get another.

"peace through strength" - jeeesus! (i.e., bush did something very
similar
by declaring 'war on terror' and then blowing the shit outta iraq?
completely unjustified of course as it turned out, but by the time it
all
came out the world had moved so far on that no one any longer gave too
fucks about it; so he got away with it then! in the interim he was (and
NOW is again in the form of trump) the big star leader of the world!
what
a coincidence! (not...)

If they start a war with Iran (which looks rather likely) they'll
tear the shit out of the Middle East even worse than last time.

### - well that IS the plan apparently! last time they employed/used
saddam to do their dirty work in an 8-year war between iraq & iran in
which half a million died, a more 'stable' middle east at that time not
really 'allowing' for anything more than a war with iran by proxy, direct involvement in a war with iran would've very likely unified the whole
muslim world in another holy war against the infidels, but that previously stable middle east has since been almost completely undermined and reduced
to chaos, and when they (or israel rather) kicks the shit outta iran no
one's gonna say a dicky-bird about it! the feared for 'unity' of the
muslim world under duress having long since passed and now rendered
'incapable' of unifying ever again!

see? russian, china and iran; the last 3 major obstacles to western
ideology ruling the world!

That 10% fall from the stock market peak in January is considered
a "market correction". Trump doesn't even do economics well.
And everything else he does is enormously worse.
His own supporters in the heartland will suffer the most.

### - name even ONE key area that's been 'left out' of this attention
grabbing arena/horse-show exercise?

there isn't one! everything of existing potential controversy has been
covered, and then some??

and, if ya's suddenly starting to feel like a 'passenger' in this
journey
to hell 'boat-ride', with absolutely no (effective) say in the matter,
then you'd be completely correct! everyone's already 2 or 3 moves
behind!
well behind! plus, by the time it all comes out as to what 'really'
happened & why it'll be 10 years down the road + far too late by then to
ever DO anything!

Oh, believe me, I know. But there's going to be a reckoning...

### - just like there was for bush ya mean?? they maybe tried to screw his
pet poodle (tory blur afterwards heh...) but even HE was ultimately
provided a bypass out of it! (did his job so he ain't gonna get screwed) -
so where is the "reckoning" by now then?? didn't happen! ain't gonna
happen! ain't ever gonna happen, because by the time anyone ever gets
around to mentioning it the world will have changed beyond all
recognition! that's the plan! the same old fucking plan they ALL use!
history being written by the victors he'll prolly turn out to be a hero of something lol! :)

that was the 'bush' recipe... and, which 'appears' to be the only recipe
they've ever had and/or gots! trump's a showman! AND he's certainly
gots a
totally captive audience by now!

(the rights' idea of 'fun' is to play one-handed juggle with say a few
live nukes and then laugh at all the scaredy-cat natives shitting
themselves in terror while they sit back quaffing their totally
expensive
brandies??)

and there's only one answer to such global 'hypnotism' on such a scale -
pay no attention! - and defo look in the places they *ain't* pointing
at!

iow: fuck 'em! - don't GIVE 'em... shit!

and 'coz there's nuthin' anyone can actually DO about it today/right now
when it's needed!

fuck 'em! (don't hate them, that's giving 'em way too much?)

outright blank 'em! :)

Of course, this is where we never agree (and I guess never will).
Blanking does nothing. You have to STOP them. Point out in public
every bad thing they do. Sue them every time they break the law.
Take back Congress again so they can't get anything changed without
playing ball. If you just 'blank' Nazis, they take over everything.

### - but weren't the nazis actually national 'socialists' or something?? (true:) the very opposite end of the pole? but point taken...
unfortunately the nazis had 'already' almost taken over everything by the
time the world rallied to oppose them, and if that fucker had ever gotten
hold of nuclear tech even at the very last minute they WOULD have won
anyway! (it really came that close ya know? and it's basically all down to einstein helping us to get it first!) - this time around, however, they've *already* got all the tech they need so no one's gonna be able to stop
'em! ww2 being basically just a dry run then; a rehearsal for the real
thing to come! lucky us having ring-side seats to the show!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPfFhfSuUZ4&list=PL8F6B0753B2CCA128

(can't get into trouble with jazz!)

get 'Miles' from the madding crowd?

;)

Speaking of music, Spotify went public with their stock yesterday -
one of the 10 biggest initial offerings ever, with a company already
valued at around $26 billion. I'd been following them and using
their service for a while because I noticed they offer a great
catalog and I like their features and functionality.

For example, try finding songs by Hendrix, Dylan, or the Beatles
on YouTube and... you often won't find what you want (or if you
do, often it will be of questionable quality and/or will get
taken down). But on Spotify, you can get almost anything they've
ever done, in original high res, often including boxed sets. :)
They've got nearly everything Miles ever did for streaming.
(Over 75 complete albums available.)

We have a family Premium commercial-free subscription.

For example, here's my "Beatles et Al" Spotify playlist (460 songs): https://open.spotify.com/user/1291310352/playlist/7ibgl9kMSZmGbTSWuVoZE5?si=5H_mRiM4TrCr-fXsfeaUrg

Or perhaps you'd prefer my 'Mingus' playlist (94 songs): https://open.spotify.com/user/1291310352/playlist/5513NIyZ29eQQGiuf4zYv2?si=u0zfdzBlRLW3J9tcjiNAhw

### - sigh, if jazz musicians had been ruling the world this world
would've been a very different place altogether? unfortunately for us such artists/poets wouldn't even be seen 'dead' having anything to 'do' with
such a thing, such tasks thus falling to the hands of low mental order & dispositioned peeps such as our wonderful politicians & businessmen, no
wonder then the world is going all to hell! they just can't keep their
minds above their wallets high enough to ever see clearly about, well,
anything really! and if, somehow, artists & musicians ever actually got together enough to actually 'oppose' those fuckers, then they too would be literally wiped from the face of the earth for getting in the way!

so nope, forget it! we're already IN their hands! already passengers! and
no amount of moaning/hooting about it/protesting it's gonna change
anything!

we're our on our way to hell and no one can do anything about it! and i
mean no one! HELL being THEIR idea of pure paradise! they've been 'systematically' getting RID of all the competition in preparation and
they're nearly ready now to make their final move!

hey is that the coffee i smell? might as well drink it then huh...

and smell the roses too while there's still ANY roses 'left' to smell!

ya thinks ww1 & 2 was bad?? we ain't seen 'nuthing' yet bro!

this time we prolly wont even see it coming! it'll be all over before
anyone even wakes up!

hey... is that a strawberry i see growing before me on the cliff face??

mmm tasty ;)

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