XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.thaoism, alt.atheism
From: rainbowguardian@web.de

Ok let's go before hominids, let's say apes. They probably created a
simple "moral" system of not injuring each other, because injuring
damages the body and is not beneficial for the herd as a connected
collective, which depend on the health of each others, and that damage
is registered as nerve impulses that create a painful feeling in the
brain. It's registered as a negative feeling that hinders survival but
what or who or why do we have that instinct for survival (from) .
There's no logical reason for the survival instinct and a fear of death
if one dies from natural cause! Maybe we should go back further and look
at hungerpain as a survival pusher, let's say amoebae or one-cellers did
they feel pain when not enough food was around? why should anyone strive
for survival other than pain, and if hungerpain pushed for survival and
the fear of death, why did apes fear death, since then probably nobody
knew what comes after death. did they realize observing their dead
relatives that after death there's maybe nothing left? did they strive
for immortality, though they also observed death from old age. Where
they irrational? did the amoebae realize there's maybe nothing after
death. and if there wasn't anything after death, why should they long
for survival, joy of living ? ego? what programmed a joy for living in
us. positive feelings of the amoebae of getting nutritions, why? there
comes again the question of the survival into the game, etc.!
Where's the logical reason for simple creatures for a survival instinct?

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XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.atheism
From: rainbowguardian@web.de

Ok let's go before hominids, let's say apes. They probably created a
simple "moral" system of not injuring each other, because injuring
damages the body and is not beneficial for the herd as a connected
collective, which depend on the health of each others, and that damage
is registered as nerve impulses that create a painful feeling in the
brain. It's registered as a negative feeling that hinders survival but
what or who or why do we have that instinct for survival (from) .
There's no logical reason for the survival instinct and a fear of death
if one dies from natural cause! Maybe we should go back further and look
at hungerpain as a survival pusher, let's say amoebae or one-cellers did
they feel pain when not enough food was around? why should anyone strive
for survival other than pain, and if hungerpain pushed for survival and
the fear of death, why did apes fear death, since then probably nobody
knew what comes after death. did they realize observing their dead
relatives that after death there's maybe nothing left? did they strive
for immortality, though they also observed death from old age. Where
they irrational? did the amoebae realize there's maybe nothing after
death. and if there wasn't anything after death, why should they long
for survival, joy of living ? ego? what programmed a joy for living in
us. positive feelings of the amoebae of getting nutritions, why? there
comes again the question of the survival into the game, etc.!
Where's the logical reason for simple creatures for a survival instinct?

--
https://cosmicpurple.wordpress.com/

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From: slider@anashram.com

Rainbowlove wrote...

Ok let's go before hominids, let's say apes. They probably created a
simple "moral" system of not injuring each other, because injuring
damages the body and is not beneficial for the herd as a connected collective, which depend on the health of each others, and that damage
is registered as nerve impulses that create a painful feeling in the
brain. It's registered as a negative feeling that hinders survival but
what or who or why do we have that instinct for survival (from) .
There's no logical reason for the survival instinct and a fear of death
if one dies from natural cause! Maybe we should go back further and look
at hungerpain as a survival pusher, let's say amoebae or one-cellers did
they feel pain when not enough food was around? why should anyone strive
for survival other than pain, and if hungerpain pushed for survival and
the fear of death, why did apes fear death, since then probably nobody
knew what comes after death. did they realize observing their dead
relatives that after death there's maybe nothing left? did they strive
for immortality, though they also observed death from old age. Where
they irrational? did the amoebae realize there's maybe nothing after
death. and if there wasn't anything after death, why should they long
for survival, joy of living ? ego? what programmed a joy for living in
us. positive feelings of the amoebae of getting nutritions, why? there
comes again the question of the survival into the game, etc.!
Where's the logical reason for simple creatures for a survival instinct?

### - i'd imagine that the first creatures were merely driven by hunger to
eat?

and then, when other creatures came along that liked to eat 'other'
creatures, the instinct to avoid being eaten evolved and thus a kind of arms-race developed between predator & prey, something which they
think/suggest then gave rise to increasing levels of awareness &
intelligence in ever-higher forms and expressions (of life) over millions
& millions of years...

all creatures thus survived and evolved living entirely in the moment
(i.e., non-intellectually) basically by instinct alone, that is until we
human came along whereby 'we' can apparently anticipate danger as a
conceivable idea, even though many instinctual mechanisms still remain in
us as reflex reactions (as in the 'fight or flight' response for
example...)

accordingly, if one lives entirely in the moment (as all creatures except
us do) there is no such fear of death per se nor any anticipation of it,
the fight or flight response is/was enough to account for everything
that's happened right up until we humans appeared; and then the game
changes!

and what a fucking MESS we've made of it!

yes/no?

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