From: allreadydun@gmail.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC-IsCryRlE

slider this is alan watts talking in this video
above. This is the exact way to lucid dreaming
be it wild or dild. I think in the beginning
perhaps you tried a little too hard with the dild.
I think i myself have probably tried a little too
hard with the wild. I am working too hard to
relax so i am kind of defeating myself with the
effort. I have to find the balance between doing
and not doing. watch the video, this guy knows
a thing or two.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)

From: slider@anashram.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC-IsCryRlE

slider this is alan watts talking in this video
above. This is the exact way to lucid dreaming
be it wild or dild. I think in the beginning
perhaps you tried a little too hard with the dild.
I think i myself have probably tried a little too
hard with the wild. I am working too hard to
relax so i am kind of defeating myself with the
effort. I have to find the balance between doing
and not doing. watch the video, this guy knows
a thing or two.

### - so how about those elusive hypnagogia, seen any yet? :)

was gazing earlier today in order to catch them commencing, to catch their first appearance and how it all then progressed to shapes & images...

here's what happened:

had being awake nearly all night anyway as any usual cycles/patterns of sleeping & being awake etc have literally all gone out the window these
days to be replaced by naps at just about any old time of the day/night...
so anyway, around 11am this morning, i noticed a certain weariness/fatigue
that is indicative of an impending nap-time should i wish to take it (i
don't always take it when offered + often wait till the next one if
there's anything/something else to do...) but accepted the offer with the express purpose of hypnagogia watching to see how it all starts up &
unfolds etc...

having no official bed-room per se anymore, i darkened the front room and
lay down on the sofa making myself comfortable by lying on my left side
facing the wall... it's quite cold in my place as these are some of the
oldest buildings in the lambeth borough (over 100 years old) with no
central heating as such and rather tall ceilings in a faux-georgian style,
so a good duvet is required in the winter and which i wrapped myself
with...

almost straight away there were light hypnagogia effects similar, perhaps,
to a largish blob of yellowish light right in the center of my vision
covering maybe 20/30 percent of the visible field, a very light yellowish
blob marked by an even lighter/very-faint crosshatch pattern composed of vertical & horizontal lines that were only just barely discernible...

having been through this many times by now, i adjusted my focus
accordingly to stare right at the very center of this yellowish blob and
then relaxed the focus slightly so as to be kinda staring straight through
it as though staring off into the distance, the yellowish blob appearing
to then be existing somewhere in the middle of this between my face and
said horizon... this being my usual focus whenever commencing; ya let the
eyes go and stare out into the distance while observing any patterns of
light (or whatever) that then seem to appear maybe 10 or 15 inches away
from my face as i started in on the breathing exercise...

by now, and after all that practice, it never takes long to begin feeling
that slightly expanded sensation in my arms, hands and knees (after about
10 minutes only) indicative of having begun to move into a slightly
altered state of awareness... at which point, i stopped all that
deliberate breathing and switched to staring exclusively at the
hypnagogia, which by now had changed into a darker space with what looked
like a wisp of whitish-grey cloud that started as a small distant point
that then slightly expanded by curving slightly towards me, creating the
effect of it coming closer to me as it grew in size until it looked about
the size of a penny, which then halted there for a moment before
disappearing altogether and then starting all over again from that same
distant point, and it did this many times...

as i tried to examine it without interfering with it any + while still
staring straight ahead, it continued into other similar patterns that all appeared to commence from a distance and draw closer before disappearing
and starting over... this pulsing of lights & then shapes going from vague
to clearer, being something am quite familiar with by now so i just let it continue at its own pace + noting any changes to these patterns as they occurred... another 10 minutes of this and it was beginning to get quite
lively but still only with blobs and strips of various coloured lights,
which by now was taking upwards of 40/50% of the visual field surrounded
by darkness... and then as i watched, an incredibly faint profile of
someone's face appeared amongst this mass wearing eye glasses! being not
quite dead center to my direct line of sight, i watched this image as it
then floated off to one side seemingly turning slightly as it went,
cool... plus, from focusing on it, the other hypnagogia surrounding it
also all became noticeably more vivid and striking, although that was the
only actual image so far...

this head kept moving slowly away until it disappeared altogether
stage-left (i didn't follow it with my eyes btw, but could see it moving
away until it was gone...) still staring/gazing straight ahead, the
patterns of light and blobs in my field of vision continued appearing & disappearing albeit much more clearly discernible than before, whereon a changing vague geometric whitish shape appeared right in my line of sight, small rectangular blocks (it was almost like looking at tiny skyscrapers
as seen from a great height appearing within it at a slight angle it as i looked at it, the more i looked the clearer it became until, at one point,
i could quite clearly see and distinguish these tiny skyscraper shapes,
some of which were higher/lower than others, the whole thing no bigger
than a small whitish plate maybe only 5 or 6 inches across, the more i
examined it the clearer the details of it became, and as i stared with
interest at it and its growing detail, i was suddenly pulled from where i
was over a period of maybe 3 seconds tops right into the image itself...
and i was WILDing!

Yikes! Zing! D'oh already?? nope hehehe... just the zing and the distinct sensation of movement as i zoomed-in on this thing only to then find
myself in an incredibly vivid WILD!

the whole process from first laying down, doing a bit of relaxing until my
arms (mainly) lost their more usual dimensions, to seeing that faint face,
to seeing that geometric shape, to being yanked right into it; taking only
(or seeming to take 'coz i didn't actually time it) around 20/25 minutes total... tada!

no fuss no bother but the hypnagogia were there right from the start,
albeit initially only a large yellowish blob with a vague crosshatch
pattern in parts of it, this yellowish light i put down to residual light
in my eyes after lowering the ambient light in the room; a bit like maybe looking at a monitor screen for a few moments and then scrunching up your
eyes and noting the various blobs and streaks of light remaining there
until they fade...

that in truth, 'whenever' i close my eyes there's always 'some' patterns
and streaks right there to begin playing with? and it's THESE patterns and streaks that develop in various, often unpredictable, ways!

a completely dark blank field isn't available! there's always 'something'
there to begin with??

perhaps then chris you've been looking in the wrong place? or rather,
you're kinda expecting something far more dramatic to start happening
before you can look at it?

no, it's these very faint lights and streaks of colour that you can see
right now if you tightly scrunch up your eyes while reading this? hold
them scrunched up like that for a few moments and note how other patterns
then begin to develop within these initial brightnesses (e.g., when i do
this now while typing, there's a big + fairly bright navy-blue blob with yellowish lights around and through it as the whole thing turns into what
looks like a black and yellowish speckled background?

and it's THIS shit that shapes then come/emerge out of!

keep staring/gazing at it and it changes! un-scrunch the eyes at this
point but still keeping them closed and a lot of it vanishes for sure, but
not ALL of it? it's still all there albeit much fainter now?

and it's by playing around with all this that it all becomes much clearer
and then sharper until even vague images can be discerned amongst it! a
bit like seeing/making shapes outta clouds?

or it's a bit like looking at the white-noise effect on an untuned tv
screen, all those moving dots and blips, if ya stare at them for a while,
then begin to take on shapes and whirls that appear to move around the
screen if you let your eyes follow them? you don't invent these patterns/shapes, they just begin to appear after a while...

(am gonna watch that vid now & report back...)

anyway, let me know how ya's get on with it ok? :)

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)

From: allreadydun@gmail.com

### - so how about those elusive hypnagogia, seen any yet? :)

i see fragments of dreams late in the morning, and i'm not asleep.
soon as i notice it i wake up. There is something beginning to
happen. Can't take anything to the bank yet, hanging on.

was gazing earlier today in order to catch them commencing, to catch their first appearance and how it all then progressed to shapes & images...

here's what happened:

had being awake nearly all night anyway as any usual cycles/patterns of sleeping & being awake etc have literally all gone out the window these
days to be replaced by naps at just about any old time of the day/night...
so anyway, around 11am this morning, i noticed a certain weariness/fatigue that is indicative of an impending nap-time should i wish to take it (i
don't always take it when offered + often wait till the next one if
there's anything/something else to do...) but accepted the offer with the express purpose of hypnagogia watching to see how it all starts up &
unfolds etc...

having no official bed-room per se anymore, i darkened the front room and
lay down on the sofa making myself comfortable by lying on my left side facing the wall...

i have good results from the right side. I guess i'm conservative? ha ha

it's quite cold in my place as these are some of the
oldest buildings in the lambeth borough (over 100 years old) with no
central heating as such and rather tall ceilings in a faux-georgian style,
so a good duvet is required in the winter and which i wrapped myself
with...

we sleep with a duvet, that son of a bitch gets hot and stays hot.

almost straight away there were light hypnagogia effects similar, perhaps,
to a largish blob of yellowish light right in the center of my vision covering maybe 20/30 percent of the visible field, a very light yellowish blob marked by an even lighter/very-faint crosshatch pattern composed of vertical & horizontal lines that were only just barely discernible...

having been through this many times by now, i adjusted my focus
accordingly to stare right at the very center of this yellowish blob and
then relaxed the focus slightly so as to be kinda staring straight through
it as though staring off into the distance, the yellowish blob appearing
to then be existing somewhere in the middle of this between my face and
said horizon... this being my usual focus whenever commencing; ya let the eyes go and stare out into the distance while observing any patterns of
light (or whatever) that then seem to appear maybe 10 or 15 inches away
from my face as i started in on the breathing exercise...

by now, and after all that practice, it never takes long to begin feeling that slightly expanded sensation in my arms, hands and knees (after about
10 minutes only) indicative of having begun to move into a slightly
altered state of awareness... at which point, i stopped all that
deliberate breathing and switched to staring exclusively at the
hypnagogia, which by now had changed into a darker space with what looked like a wisp of whitish-grey cloud that started as a small distant point
that then slightly expanded by curving slightly towards me, creating the effect of it coming closer to me as it grew in size until it looked about
the size of a penny, which then halted there for a moment before
disappearing altogether and then starting all over again from that same distant point, and it did this many times...

you've definitely got an area of play there happening.

as i tried to examine it without interfering with it any + while still staring straight ahead, it continued into other similar patterns that all appeared to commence from a distance and draw closer before disappearing
and starting over... this pulsing of lights & then shapes going from vague
to clearer, being something am quite familiar with by now so i just let it continue at its own pace + noting any changes to these patterns as they occurred... another 10 minutes of this and it was beginning to get quite lively but still only with blobs and strips of various coloured lights,
which by now was taking upwards of 40/50% of the visual field surrounded
by darkness... and then as i watched, an incredibly faint profile of someone's face appeared amongst this mass wearing eye glasses! being not quite dead center to my direct line of sight, i watched this image as it
then floated off to one side seemingly turning slightly as it went,
cool... plus, from focusing on it, the other hypnagogia surrounding it
also all became noticeably more vivid and striking, although that was the only actual image so far...

this head kept moving slowly away until it disappeared altogether
stage-left (i didn't follow it with my eyes btw, but could see it moving
away until it was gone...) still staring/gazing straight ahead, the
patterns of light and blobs in my field of vision continued appearing & disappearing albeit much more clearly discernible than before, whereon a changing vague geometric whitish shape appeared right in my line of sight, small rectangular blocks (it was almost like looking at tiny skyscrapers
as seen from a great height appearing within it at a slight angle it as i looked at it, the more i looked the clearer it became until, at one point,
i could quite clearly see and distinguish these tiny skyscraper shapes,
some of which were higher/lower than others, the whole thing no bigger
than a small whitish plate maybe only 5 or 6 inches across, the more i examined it the clearer the details of it became, and as i stared with interest at it and its growing detail, i was suddenly pulled from where i
was over a period of maybe 3 seconds tops right into the image itself...
and i was WILDing!

Yikes! Zing! D'oh already?? nope hehehe... just the zing and the distinct sensation of movement as i zoomed-in on this thing only to then find
myself in an incredibly vivid WILD!

the whole process from first laying down, doing a bit of relaxing until my arms (mainly) lost their more usual dimensions, to seeing that faint face,
to seeing that geometric shape, to being yanked right into it; taking only (or seeming to take 'coz i didn't actually time it) around 20/25 minutes total... tada!

no fuss no bother but the hypnagogia were there right from the start,

see now right there you got something up and happening before you even
start. you are at a place already. This is interesting.

albeit initially only a large yellowish blob with a vague crosshatch
pattern in parts of it, this yellowish light i put down to residual light
in my eyes after lowering the ambient light in the room; a bit like maybe looking at a monitor screen for a few moments and then scrunching up your eyes and noting the various blobs and streaks of light remaining there
until they fade...

that in truth, 'whenever' i close my eyes there's always 'some' patterns
and streaks right there to begin playing with? and it's THESE patterns and streaks that develop in various, often unpredictable, ways!

dude you have a "leg up" on this practice before you even start.
Perhaps your AP shifted years ago and NEVER moved back?

a completely dark blank field isn't available! there's always 'something' there to begin with??

you are the verge before you start, born sorcerer it looks like.

perhaps then chris you've been looking in the wrong place? or rather,
you're kinda expecting something far more dramatic to start happening
before you can look at it?

no man, i'll take whatever comes my way. I've seen stuff before, it
is very hard to miss.

no, it's these very faint lights and streaks of colour that you can see
right now if you tightly scrunch up your eyes while reading this? hold
them scrunched up like that for a few moments and note how other patterns then begin to develop within these initial brightnesses (e.g., when i do
this now while typing, there's a big + fairly bright navy-blue blob with yellowish lights around and through it as the whole thing turns into what looks like a black and yellowish speckled background?

i don't see anything but darkness. Nothing happening here.

and it's THIS shit that shapes then come/emerge out of!

i don't doubt that.

keep staring/gazing at it and it changes! un-scrunch the eyes at this
point but still keeping them closed and a lot of it vanishes for sure, but not ALL of it? it's still all there albeit much fainter now?

and it's by playing around with all this that it all becomes much clearer
and then sharper until even vague images can be discerned amongst it! a
bit like seeing/making shapes outta clouds?

or it's a bit like looking at the white-noise effect on an untuned tv
screen, all those moving dots and blips, if ya stare at them for a while, then begin to take on shapes and whirls that appear to move around the
screen if you let your eyes follow them? you don't invent these patterns/shapes, they just begin to appear after a while...

Yeah you just let it come on its on, you don't try to fuck with it.

(am gonna watch that vid now & report back...)

anyway, let me know how ya's get on with it ok? :)

i want to see if you catch Watt's drift there in the video.
Yes, maybe, no ?

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)

From: slider@anashram.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC-IsCryRlE

slider this is alan watts talking in this video
above. This is the exact way to lucid dreaming
be it wild or dild. I think in the beginning
perhaps you tried a little too hard with the dild.
I think i myself have probably tried a little too
hard with the wild. I am working too hard to
relax so i am kind of defeating myself with the
effort. I have to find the balance between doing
and not doing. watch the video, this guy knows
a thing or two.

### - have always liked alan watts... who's telling us to eliminate
duality by walking in the middle of things (be here now) instead of always dwelling in (and on) the extremes as is normally the case, then giving us endless examples of this 'blending of the opposites' until they kinda
cancel each other out... that the 'seeker & the sought' have to thus
become one lest we remain trapped on a merry-go-round of our own making...

that if, for example, you're looking for happiness, then what you're
really affirming by this act of 'looking' is that you're actually unhappy,
that by definition actually 'being happy' is thus the 'absence' of looking
for happiness! and consequently, that living in the 'now' is thus the
solution to being caught up in the false duality of past and future!
cool...

but where does that leave us when it comes to lucid dreaming? how do we
blend the 'unconscious' act of dilding with the far more 'conscious' + 'deliberate' act of WILDing?

possibly by only having 'both' options up & running?

that dilding is always gonna remain an ostensibly 'unconscious' act
because ya can't go directly to it! WILDs being the complete opposite of
that because ya *can't* go unconsciously to them! (well ya can, but then
it's not really recognised as WILDing per se and gets called something
else, such as false awakenings or night terrors...)

that ya *can't* just let WILDs happen because to WILD is the act of lucid dreaming deliberately! (i can deliberately send myself into a WILD but
can't deliberately send myself into a dild?)

and if those 2 are the opposites of it, what then is the NOW of lucid dreaming?? :)

that in that sense, lucid dreaming per se is the NOW of being awake &
asleep?

asleep - NOW - awake!

this 'lucid dreaming' being something which can be accomplished in one of
2 ways: you can go into it arseways/backwards via dilds and thus have no control over doing/initiating it, or more deliberately via WILDs wherein everything about it is always a strictly conscious act!

personally, i'd have to consider WILDing to be the NOW of lucid dreaming
(the not doing of dilding? heh...) plus there's this very strange place ya eventually get to with WILDing which i've termed the 'midway point' - a
place (in awareness) where lucid dreaming and waking up in the daily world become equal options! (genuinely weird!)

problem is you guys haven't gotten to this midway point yet so we can't
really discuss it except perhaps hypothetically? i.e., it seems to be a completely black void wherein one has no perceivable body or substance,
one is and remains just a thought, an 'idea' of self? to dream or not to
dream becoming a genuine option from such a position, as in indeed is that
of waking up for real in the daily world or not (to wake or not to wake being/becoming another question from that midway pov!)

plus i don't think alan watts can really help us here?

that IF there's such a thing as a NOW to lucid dreaming, then to discover
it ya probably needs to have BOTH options (both dilding AND wilding) up & running?

i still, however, say/suggest that any answers to all this will only
eventually come/derive from WILDing rather than dilding, if only from the increased levels of lucidity (or rather: sobriety) involved?

on another note: i find it hard to accept that you don't (or can't) see
ANY effects from scrunching up your eyes for a few moments? that all you
can ever see is a completely black space with no ghostly/vague light show
of some description?? (e.g., while staring at my lappy's monitor in a
darkened room while typing this, if i tightly scrunch up my eyes right now
the first thing i can see is a large whitish blob, kinda oval in nature,
that is the remnant light of my monitor screen? and if i keep them tightly scrunched up and keep looking the white fades and blue blobs and streaks
begin to appear, the tighter i scrunch them the more effects (of light &
dark) that begin to appear?

e.g., look at your screen for a few seconds, stare right at it, then
scrunch up your eyes and keep them closed... don't tell me you can't see
blobs of white (and other colours too) for a few moments?

for a little while i can even see blocks/lines of text and the approximate paragraph spaces in between? (can't read the actual text itself, but ya
can still tell it's text)

here's a little childhood trick i learned one time that's fairly
interesting (if you're a kid that is heh, although it's still kinda interesting...) you need a fairly bright light for this (a 60watt
incandescent bulb for example) set in a side/table lamp...

at night turn out all the lights in the room except this side lamp, you
know the type, small with a lampshade and an on/off switch just below the bulb... place your hand on the switch while fixedly staring at the back of
that same hand, do it for a solid 10 or more seconds and then switch off
the bulb and quickly remove your hand, all the while rigidly still staring
in the direction of where your hand last was around the lamp, don't move
your eyes at all and keep staring straight ahead at that same spot, and
after a few moments of blackness a ghostly hand will then appear before
your very eyes to startle & amaze you! (good trick!)

if you move your eyes at all when staring at that ghostly hand it
disappears and ya have to start over, but if you can keep your eyes (and
focus) fixed the effect actually lasts for quite a while/several seconds hehehe...

anyway, even after the hand fades but you keep staring, you can still see
some blobs of light and shit gradually fading away, the forms have gone
(your hand holding the lamp) but blobs of light remain for quite a while afterwards, no?

the only hard bit is keeping your eyes fixed in one place after turning
out the lamp (might take a few shots to get it right...) but it works
every time :)

a ghostly greenish hand that appears/emerges outta the darkness and makes
ya jump because you know your own hand isn't there anymore hehehe :)

happy Halloween! :)

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)

From: slider@anashram.com

### - so how about those elusive hypnagogia, seen any yet? :)

i see fragments of dreams late in the morning, and i'm not asleep.
soon as i notice it i wake up. There is something beginning to
happen. Can't take anything to the bank yet, hanging on.

### - fragments of dreams (actual images) i would consider dramatic effects

was gazing earlier today in order to catch them commencing, to catch
their
first appearance and how it all then progressed to shapes & images...

here's what happened:

had being awake nearly all night anyway as any usual cycles/patterns of
sleeping & being awake etc have literally all gone out the window these
days to be replaced by naps at just about any old time of the
day/night...
so anyway, around 11am this morning, i noticed a certain
weariness/fatigue
that is indicative of an impending nap-time should i wish to take it (i
don't always take it when offered + often wait till the next one if
there's anything/something else to do...) but accepted the offer with
the
express purpose of hypnagogia watching to see how it all starts up &
unfolds etc...

having no official bed-room per se anymore, i darkened the front room
and
lay down on the sofa making myself comfortable by lying on my left side
facing the wall...

i have good results from the right side. I guess i'm conservative? ha
ha

### - i get loud buzzing vibrations etc on the right side, quite
disturbing really, throws ya around and shit but am kinda getting used to it/learning to just ride with it, feels like you've stopped breathing, so
maybe even dying haha, very hard not to gulp for air at that point as you
begin to swell up and burst, whereon the act of gulping/breathing stops
the vibrations and ya have to start over... stick with it however (so what
if i die! heh) and ya end up in a WILD still buzzing and being thrown
around until that fades and you're just WILDing, why? i dunno :)

no fuss no bother but the hypnagogia were there right from the start,

see now right there you got something up and happening before you even
start. you are at a place already. This is interesting.

### - when was the last time ya stayed up all night and didn't sleep till
the next night? didn't you notice any mild visual effects?

albeit initially only a large yellowish blob with a vague crosshatch
pattern in parts of it, this yellowish light i put down to residual
light
in my eyes after lowering the ambient light in the room; a bit like
maybe
looking at a monitor screen for a few moments and then scrunching up
your
eyes and noting the various blobs and streaks of light remaining there
until they fade...

that in truth, 'whenever' i close my eyes there's always 'some' patterns
and streaks right there to begin playing with? and it's THESE patterns
and
streaks that develop in various, often unpredictable, ways!

dude you have a "leg up" on this practice before you even start.
Perhaps your AP shifted years ago and NEVER moved back?

### - or maybe am just generally sleep deprived heh :)

a completely dark blank field isn't available! there's always
'something'
there to begin with??

you are the verge before you start, born sorcerer it looks like.

### - oh fuck off! (laughing...) like everyone else i was a born asshole!
(heh) but then ya tend to learn quite a few things over 60 years or so
innit? ;)

perhaps then chris you've been looking in the wrong place? or rather,
you're kinda expecting something far more dramatic to start happening
before you can look at it?

no man, i'll take whatever comes my way. I've seen stuff before, it
is very hard to miss.

### - some details please? (i remember the green door & a hole in the roof ones) gimmie some more to work with...

no, it's these very faint lights and streaks of colour that you can see
right now if you tightly scrunch up your eyes while reading this? hold
them scrunched up like that for a few moments and note how other
patterns
then begin to develop within these initial brightnesses (e.g., when i do
this now while typing, there's a big + fairly bright navy-blue blob with
yellowish lights around and through it as the whole thing turns into
what
looks like a black and yellowish speckled background?

i don't see anything but darkness. Nothing happening here.

### - then you ain't doin' it right! heh j/k + see my other post...

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)

From: allreadydun@gmail.com

happy Halloween! :)

exactly. you're just playin' with your self
i mean your eyes.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)

From: allreadydun@gmail.com

### - fragments of dreams (actual images) i would consider dramatic effects

they not that unusual, very much like a regular dream but i think
i am still awake when they appear.

### - when was the last time ya stayed up all night and didn't sleep till
the next night? didn't you notice any mild visual effects?

been a very long time since i have done that. i usually crap out and
fall asleep when i try to stay up all night.

### - or maybe am just generally sleep deprived heh :)

### - oh fuck off! (laughing...) like everyone else i was a born asshole! (heh) but then ya tend to learn quite a few things over 60 years or so
innit? ;)

you're younger than that now.

### - some details please? (i remember the green door & a hole in the roof ones) gimmie some more to work with...

i will when they appear, i'm not holding out on ya.

### - then you ain't doin' it right! heh j/k + see my other post...

no doubt i'm doing something stupid. i knew that relaxation hurdle
was gonna be a son of a bitch. but i got the hot tub to help me
relax. sort of like how john lilly had his salt water tank thingys.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)

From: slider@anashram.com

no doubt i'm doing something stupid. i knew that relaxation hurdle
was gonna be a son of a bitch. but i got the hot tub to help me
relax. sort of like how john lilly had his salt water tank thingys.

### - it's only supposed to be a lite state of relaxation?

e.g., feeling just a little sleepy is/has just about the same effect +
that's all that you're really aiming for, only deliberately...

the back of my neck & shoulders seems to be the place where most of the residual tension is, the feeling of the body expanding (arms & hands
first) usually kicking in when i start in on those areas particularly...

geeze you're apparently locked down tighter than a gnats foreskin, have ya
ever considered using power plants to loosen it all up a bit? (j/k :)))
hahaha

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

geeze you're apparently locked down tighter than a gnats foreskin, have ya ever considered using power plants to loosen it all up a bit? (j/k :))) hahaha

yeah i did one time back in '70. I saw energy for a week afterwards.
loosy alright, changed forever i suppose. lucky me.

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From: slider@anashram.com

loosy in the sky wrote...

geeze you're apparently locked down tighter than a gnats foreskin, have
ya
ever considered using power plants to loosen it all up a bit? (j/k :)))
hahaha

yeah i did one time back in '70. I saw energy for a week afterwards.
loosy alright, changed forever i suppose. lucky me.

### - so ya turned on, tuned in, but didn't quite drop out then?

well, maybe just a little bit then huh :)

did that several times in all back in the day + had flashbacks for years afterwards lol

and was defo looser in my socket after that hah! (could be anywhere doing anything, and was then suddenly 7+ feet tall for a little while 'and'
became long-sighted while it (the flashback) lasted, which was damn disconcerting to say the least! hehehe...)

not overreacting to it was the key to taming it eventually + had some
pretty far out experiences from it, came to enjoy it eventually, even to finding ways (often without drugs) to trigger it off sometimes

fancy having a different kinda day out + view of the world sometimes?
cultivate flashbacks and wander around london feeling for all the world
like a 7ft tall martian for a few hours occasionally heh...

and take/make notes ;)

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

this is for EL Ron Jeremy
your field notes finally came in.
someone got ahold of shorty's stuff.
but again it proves absolutely nothing.
there's only one place they got these
from IF they are legit. And that would
mean they leaked them on purpose.
Fuck they never give up do they? lol!
check it out at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8jqPxUuYq0

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 2:04:53 PM UTC-8, imaginenoguns wrote:

this is for EL Ron Jeremy
your field notes finally came in.
someone got ahold of shorty's stuff.
but again it proves absolutely nothing.
there's only one place they got these
from IF they are legit. And that would
mean they leaked them on purpose.
Fuck they never give up do they? lol!
check it out at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8jqPxUuYq0

This isn't a mystery. Those people are being deceptive, though.
Anyone who has paid attention all along knows that Castaneda
did once reveal a very small portion of so-called 'field notes'.

Upon request, CC sent 12 pages of Spanish 'notes' to Gordon Wasson -
and surprise, surprise, these people are indeed displaying copies
of 12 pages of Spanish notes (refusing to reveal their source).

Below are a few of my comments about the 'notes' provided to Wasson,
comments I made on Sustained Reaction over 10 years ago:

"It is most significant that the 12 pages Castaneda sent to Wasson
were admitted by Castaneda himself to be a "direct transcription"
of less legible notes Castaneda allegedly took while talking with
'don Juan'. In other words, even the 12 lousy pages are NOT
original field notes! So how many pages of ORIGINAL field notes
do we have from Castaneda's famous alleged note taking? Zero!
Is anyone surprised?"

The 12 pages of so-called 'field notes' are not original,
although they were indeed written by Castaneda. They are
discussed in some detail by Richard DeMille in his 1980 book
'The Don Juan Papers', if you want to know more. In DeMille's
opinion, they could simply have been part of an earlier
Castaneda manuscript. There's no compelling case at all
that they really came from any original 'field notes'.

I can even tell you where these people probably got their copy
of these 'notes'. Back when Ralph Torjan from the Sunday Class
was making his movie 'Carlos Castananeda - Enigma of A Sorcerer',
on his website he was offering people a 'bonus' of a copy of
these very 'notes'. You had to have the right username and
password to get them. I don't even recall if I saved my own
copy somewhere, probably - but... who cares, right?
Ralph's site is gone now, of course.

Mystery solved? :)

.

(See, this is why I'm still on this stupid board. LOL.)

.

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

it's funny these astute warriors from Mexico
would try and play the scam again. No no no.
Ain't gonna be no re-match. Sorry amigos, nice
try but you are way too late. OK, that's the
end of that horseshit. What's next?

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

well here we are again on planet dumb-ass.
who is going to get shot today?
as though killing someone does something.
109 billion people have been here so far.
we got 7 or 8 billion here now.
what does death do?
nothing.

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