• wildo dildo

    From shitholio@1:229/2 to All on Friday, February 02, 2018 12:54:10
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    the thing about getting relaxed enough to fall
    into a wild seems to be the key. I've tried to
    relax the fuck out of myself only to only maybe
    drift off and go to sleep. yeah that one time
    (only 1 time) i dozed off in the hot tub. It
    was such a fluke that i have not been able to do
    it again. I'm tryin', son of a bitch, you can't
    get much more relaxed than laying in a hot tub.
    I even made the water at 98 degrees so that the
    heat would not be a distraction. I think some of
    these guys who are long time meditators could get
    to the spot relatively fast. I never 'went' anywhere
    when i mediated. Oh if i go 37 minutes i can see a blue
    hole looking out in the sky. But that's it, that is as
    far as she goes. You wake up sometime. What i am suppose
    lay there for 2 hours like an idiot in order to 'see' something?
    Really? I rather go for a dild in dreaming, at least i can snooze.
    But IF i ever get lucky you guys will be the first to hear about it.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, February 03, 2018 02:50:22
    From: slider@anashram.com

    Entering into sleep in such an unconscious manner automatically results in ordinary, random, non-lucid dreams, something which seems quite obvious,
    if you think about it. Whereas to enter into the sleeping state
    consciously and deliberately instead, results in something else
    altogether. It results in dreams again, but this time fully lucid ones in
    which one is completely aware of being in a dreaming state and can control their dreams to varying degrees depending on what you want (and know) to
    do with them.

    *** Furthermore, the only real difficulty people might experience in
    attempting to lucid dream is basically that of correcting and getting over
    our more usual, sloppy habit of just letting ourselves be pulled into
    sleep in a completely unconscious manner.***

    If I appear to be belabouring this point, it is because I believe that
    this particular realisation rests at the very crux of understanding
    exactly what ordinary dreams and lucid dreams are and why they occur.
    Namely, that what we usually call ‘falling asleep’ is, in fact, the unconscious entering into an available altered state of awareness, one
    that somehow energetically refreshes the body and mind and one to which we return night after night but only because we have to.

    --The WILD Way To Lucid Dreaming.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, February 03, 2018 02:33:48
    From: slider@anashram.com

    the thing about getting relaxed enough to fall
    into a wild seems to be the key. I've tried to
    relax the fuck out of myself only to only maybe
    drift off and go to sleep. yeah that one time
    (only 1 time) i dozed off in the hot tub. It
    was such a fluke that i have not been able to do
    it again. I'm tryin', son of a bitch, you can't
    get much more relaxed than laying in a hot tub.
    I even made the water at 98 degrees so that the
    heat would not be a distraction. I think some of
    these guys who are long time meditators could get
    to the spot relatively fast. I never 'went' anywhere
    when i mediated. Oh if i go 37 minutes i can see a blue
    hole looking out in the sky. But that's it, that is as
    far as she goes. You wake up sometime. What i am suppose
    lay there for 2 hours like an idiot in order to 'see' something?
    Really? I rather go for a dild in dreaming, at least i can snooze.
    But IF i ever get lucky you guys will be the first to hear about it.

    ### - you've had enough' experiences of WILDing by now to know for sure
    that it's a distinct possibility? (that it really can happen!)

    well ok then, mow you're convinced that it CAN actually happen, and
    assuming you'd still actually like to be ab;e to do it, it's your job now
    to go claim this (or rather: give this) ability to yourself in the very
    simple manner already suggested: a small but systematic effort lasting for
    2 weeks or there abouts, that will eventually drop the whole thing right
    into your own lap complete and entire, with YOU as the person initiating
    it instead of (like now) being a passive passenger just hanging around
    waiting for it to come to you...

    a week of practicing how to 'consciously' relax the body followed by a
    week of using that state same of light relaxation (which is NOT sleep btw)
    as a springboard into WILDing! simples! :)

    you can defo do it, you just haven't actually 'tried' to do it in the prescribed manner & way in order to get-going with it all...

    plus 'after' ya get going with it (after several deliberately initiated experiences of actually succeeding i mean) you'll quite naturally begin to adapt it all more to your 'own' liking and/or predilection...

    and that's it! no more 'excuses' and dithering about not being sure etc
    etc, only YOU can possibly give this to yourself no one else!

    think of this: it's been 2 years (this month) and you still haven't made
    the minimal amount of consistent effort required to pull this all off,
    even though there's nothing actually complicated about it??

    2 years! and ya still can't pull a simple 2-weeks effort outta ya ass
    already?? (j/k?)

    c'mon! who ya kidding! ya just haven't really tried is all :D

    2 weeks from now (or less) you 'could' be doing this every single time ya wanted to, and NOT only at bedtime! (as your bath experience clearly + obviously proved...)

    so no more 'excuses' ok?

    either DO it, or don't bother at all...

    the only 'actual' difficulty involved is that of overcoming 'already'
    ingrained actions & reactions such as piling into bed and falling fast
    asleep in the usual rapid manner...

    and that's ALL there is to it! :)

    -------

    It’s really as simple as that! What is not simple, however, is to adapt
    these otherwise already ingrained reactions and responses to ordinary situations and things, which is why, in the initial stages at least, and paradoxically so, we regularly get booted out; not in spite of, but
    rather, because of them.

    from: 'The WILD Way To Lucid Dreaming'

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to shitholio on Saturday, February 03, 2018 08:39:00
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 12:54:11 PM UTC-8, shitholio wrote:
    the thing about getting relaxed enough to fall
    into a wild seems to be the key. I've tried to
    relax the fuck out of myself only to only maybe
    drift off and go to sleep. yeah that one time
    (only 1 time) i dozed off in the hot tub. It
    was such a fluke that i have not been able to do
    it again.

    Exactly.

    I did manage to succeed at it a few times too, but those instances
    were scattered over a period of years, and the conditions had to be
    just perfect for me to succeed. The best way for me to succeed at it
    was to wake up in the middle of the night and try it then, when I'd
    already had some sleep yet was still drowsy, and it was dead silent.


    I'm tryin', son of a bitch, you can't
    get much more relaxed than laying in a hot tub.
    I even made the water at 98 degrees so that the
    heat would not be a distraction. I think some of
    these guys who are long time meditators could get
    to the spot relatively fast. I never 'went' anywhere
    when i mediated. Oh if i go 37 minutes i can see a blue
    hole looking out in the sky. But that's it, that is as
    far as she goes. You wake up sometime. What i am suppose
    lay there for 2 hours like an idiot in order to 'see' something?
    Really? I rather go for a dild in dreaming, at least i can snooze.
    But IF i ever get lucky you guys will be the first to hear about it.

    For you, DILD is easier, just as it is for me.

    Slider, I wrote all that about Castaneda's methods not to recommend
    them, but really just to summarize all my own thinking about them.

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  • From shitholio@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, February 03, 2018 07:31:52
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    then perhaps it is a lifetime of
    bad habit then? it is the not
    doing of falling asleep like the
    rest of the flock.

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  • From shitholio@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, February 03, 2018 09:11:06
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3_RCJ3Szjc

    this will keep your spirit it.

    only the best for doing your best eh?

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, February 03, 2018 18:57:24
    From: slider@anashram.com

    crsds wrote...

    then perhaps it is a lifetime of
    bad habit then? it is the not
    doing of falling asleep like the
    rest of the flock.

    ### - you can't wait for WILDs to come to YOU like ya do with dilds!

    being the 'conscious' form of LDing YOU have to go to THEM!

    Relaxation Techniques.

    There are many ways of achieving a state of relaxation. You may already
    know some and be using them fairly regularly anyway. If so, that’s just
    fine as it will definitely save you time later while becoming familiar
    with using a state of relaxation as a springboard into lucid dreaming.

    Okay, so this is where the fun really begins. Better sit down and strap
    in, since for our current purposes I’ll be concentrating on just one or
    two quite simple but effective methods of getting oneself sufficiently
    relaxed to invoke our hidden, innate ability to hop off into a waking
    dream state at will. Both methods are rather similar.

    For the first I’d initially suggest getting yourself into bed and lying
    down on your left side with your knees together and your legs slightly
    bent. Give your body a little time to adjust to the exertion involved of getting into bed and settling down into a comfortable position. Just lie
    there for a few minutes in the dark until your breathing and heart-rate gradually slow down to a steady rhythm.

    After about five minutes, when your breathing has settled right down and
    has become steady and regular, deliberately take a long, deep breath by breathing slowly in through your nose until no more air can get in. Don’t force anything or cork your throat by letting go and relaxing your chest
    once fully inflated. Keep your throat held open and hold that breath for
    about four or five seconds or so and then let it out again very slowly
    through the mouth while at the same time trying to feel any residual
    tension in your muscles draining out of your body and sinking down through
    the bed and into the floor. Make a conscious attempt as you breathe out to
    feel your whole body becoming even more relaxed than it was before, as
    though it was sinking down into the bed. Aim via these breaths to let your
    body become so relaxed that if anyone were at one point to lift one of
    your arms and let it go again, the arm would just flop right back to where
    it was under its own weight without any help from you.

    Do this long breath just the once and then let your body return to
    breathing again under its own steam. Spend a few moments breathing
    normally, just letting your body breathe as it may, and then, after a
    little while, deliberately take another long slow breath in through your
    nose feeling your whole body tense up slightly as you control the intake
    of air, letting your lungs fill up as much as they can without forcing anything, again holding that breath when it reaches the top by maintaining
    the ever so slight pressure of breathing in (i.e. by not corking your
    throat in order to hold it locked in) for another count of four or five
    seconds before slowly letting that breath out through your mouth while at
    the same time deliberately letting go of your body as though you were weightless. When all the air is naturally out (again without forcing
    anything) let your body return to its usual way of breathing for a couple
    of minutes or so, noting how much more your body feels relaxed each time.

    Repeat this exercise several times over the course of the next few minutes
    and you’ll probably be surprised at just how tense you actually were, even though your body felt completely relaxed before. A good example of this is around the head, neck and shoulders area which seems to sink ever deeper
    than before into the pillow each time you do the long breath out. Try to
    detect any residual muscle tension from your body sink down into the bed
    and floor as a mild sensation similar to that of going down in an
    elevator. Pay particular attention to these areas of the head, neck and shoulders, working through them in sequence if necessary until they all
    feel completely relaxed and as sunken into your pillow as they’re likely
    to get.

    Keep this up for about ten to twenty minutes in total, alternating between normal breathing and the occasional long controlled one and/or until you experience a sensation of feeling like a complete dead weight, trying each
    time to aim for that feeling of being so relaxed that if someone were to
    lift your arm and let it go again it would just flop back to your side.

    You may also feel at this point a very slight overall tingling sensation,
    a kind of spreading numbness in your limbs, and also notice that your
    breathing is now beginning to be composed of slow, far slighter breaths
    coming more from the lower part of your abdomen (belly breaths). This is perfect. Don’t try to force this situation to come about, let it occur naturally through using your breathing to release muscle tension. This is precisely the easy state of mental and physical relaxation one is aiming
    for in order to begin trying to lucid dream, and this feeling of bodily lightness or largeness coupled with belly breaths confirms it.

    The second method consists of doing exactly the same breathing exercises
    for a few moments to get started, but this time systematically working all
    the way up from your toes to the top of your head, gradually releasing all bodily tension from each area down through the bed and into the ground as
    you go. Again, spending at least fifteen to twenty minutes or so on this,
    the time it takes to reach a state of relaxation gradually becoming
    shorter with each session as your ability to relax at will progresses.
    Don’t worry if it takes longer in the initial stages, you are learning to consciously relax your body and it takes a little practice. You may have
    to try for forty minutes the first few times to reach and recognise this
    state of being but, rest assured, you’ll quickly get it all down to under twenty minutes or so with familiarity and practice. In the meantime, just
    enjoy it for what it is; the setting out upon a new adventure. Don’t rush things. Enjoy every part and stage of it!

    In order later to reach a state of lucid dreaming, it’s also very
    important during these relaxation exercises not to move or change your
    body position or posture at all, particularly during the last few minutes
    of doing them. During the first few minutes get yourself into a
    comfortable enough position and try to maintain it and to also perfect
    that position by tweaking it minutely here and there until you don’t need
    to settle down or move anymore. After that don’t even move an inch.

    The end result of relaxing without moving like this is eventually to
    achieve a mild sensation of floating, or of the body having slightly
    expanded in some way. At this point the hands will possibly sometimes feel
    kind of puffy or enlarged. Other times it’s as though one can no longer
    tell the exact proportion or size of bodily areas you happen to focus on.
    For example, upon focusing on them my teeth once lost their usual
    dimensions of size, feeling huge and disproportionate for the size of my
    mouth until they felt the size of tombstones. A very odd sensation indeed,
    but I stress that all these minor sensations are perfectly normal, they’re
    a novelty, enjoy them and explore them for what they are, they are nothing
    to worry about and are really only clues the body provides us with to let
    us know we’re nearly ready now to enter into a lucid dreaming state.

    Once you’ve reached this floating feeling of relaxation, the next step is
    to absolutely and deliberately turn your attention completely away from
    all and any sensations of the body altogether, totally ignoring them.
    Having served their purpose they are no longer important. Peer instead at
    the
    blank dark screen you can see just behind your closed eyes. Don’t move at
    all and hang on to that feeling of lightness or floating and stare at the darkness that’s right there in front of your face until you begin to
    notice the odd blob or streak of colour appearing and disappearing at
    random.

    Your body may feel a little strange at this point but just totally ignore
    it (or any other sensations) by deliberately placing and holding your full attention ‘only’ on what your eyes can see.
    At this point, consciously adjust your focus so it’s as though you are looking at an area about ten to fifteen inches away from your face. Keep
    your eyes closed and let any blobs and splashes of colour come and go as
    they please. Don’t attempt to control these effects in any way, just keep watching for them by staring straight ahead until you perhaps notice the appearance of an image of some kind. This is the next stage.

    The following images can be rather faint and fleeting (fast), not really
    giving you the time to focus on them properly, but that’s okay, don’t
    worry about it, just let them come and go as they please and wait for the
    next one to appear. Having already made yourself relax you shouldn’t be thinking about your body or your breathing at all by having deliberately
    forced your attention away from them onto only what your closed eyes can
    see. Don’t try to do anything other than watch those images come and go,
    the same way as those blobs and streaks of colour did, especially since at
    this point you are nearly ready to attempt entering into a dreaming state.

    The only problem you may initially encounter at this stage is that of accidentally drifting right off into a deep sleep, and this is something that’s quite likely to happen repeatedly until you learn to recognise this
    as being a distinct possibility. After all, every night for the duration
    of our lives to date, we’ve always piled into bed with the express expectation of getting off to sleep as quickly as possible. We never know,
    or even remember, just exactly how (or when) we actually drifted off, but usually just lie there kind of relaxing and getting comfortable while
    waiting to be somehow snatched away.

    It’s a ritual we’ve all unconsciously learned to perform since before we were born. One feels kind of drowsy and the eyes close while not really thinking of anything in particular, and before you know it we’ve gone off
    to sleep without even realising it. Suddenly it’s the next day, something we’re all totally expert at doing by now because we’ve been doing it all our lives. Children (and insomniacs) are the only ones who tend to exhibit
    any difficulty in getting off to sleep sometimes and so we distract them
    by reading them stories and singing them lullabies and as soon as they
    stop struggling against it their little eyes glaze over and off they jolly
    well go! (Peace reigns at last. Whew!)

    But I digress…so anyway, keep going like this, lightly gazing at fleeting images while trying not to accidentally nod off completely, until a really clear image shows up, sometimes shockingly so! Next, do your best to let
    your eyes examine some of that image’s details.

    (from the TWWTLD...)

    ***

    again, WILDs can't be reached/achieved in a haphazard way like dilds are,
    the above technique being anything but complicated (a starter only for 10)
    has to be consistently performed for several nights on the trot to be
    effective + once ya eventually push through to the other side (heh) you'll begin to develop your very own personal technique for getting there...

    falling asleep in the middle of this exercise 10 times (or whatever) on
    the trot is perfectly normal, the 'habit' (of a lifetime) of doing so has
    to be broken in order to bring you face to face with the process itself
    that 'unconsciously' whisks us off into sleep night after night after
    night, change this ritual habit, however, and it literally changes
    everything!

    smile... there's no way yo 'nag' you (or anyone) into being consistent
    with this (laughing) so really it's up to YOU to attempt this enough times
    to be successful...

    the current record holder was only successful with this on his 11th
    attempt!

    :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, February 03, 2018 19:13:13
    From: slider@anashram.com

    Jeremy wrote...

    (to chris...)
    For you, DILD is easier, just as it is for me.

    ### - falling 'asleep' like a baby is easier for... 'everyone'

    no 'effort' required to just fall asleep like an idiot!

    going WILD takes a little conscious/deliberate 'effort' is all lol :)))



    Slider, I wrote all that about Castaneda's methods not to recommend
    them, but really just to summarize all my own thinking about them.

    ###' - yeah well shut up about them then LOL, they have absolutely no
    place with WILDs!

    they're not even relevant!

    unless of course you KEEP trying to MAKE them relevant?? heh...

    FORGET castaneda! FORGET castenada's techniques!

    this is NOT castaneda!

    cc was 30 years ago! let castaneda... GO!

    and then maybe you'll find something... different ;)

    DIFFERNT! (really laughing hehehe...)

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  • From shitholio@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, February 03, 2018 13:38:37
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    dude this a very focused process you are
    mentioning here. Now you're talking about
    really focusing on relaxation. This requires
    a very specific plan until you can get to it
    on your own. I actually think your attempt
    here is so good that at the very least if one
    falls asleep that you stand a very good chance
    at falling into a dild by accident. The trick
    is to get as silent as possible at the moment
    of sleep. Or at the moment of images coming
    in play on your 'screen'. This is a good reference
    for trying this, this is a good guide. I'll give
    it a go. 20 to 40 minutes is a serious attempt.
    That ain't no foolin' around my friend. Your method
    is a very sustained attempt. Strong intent pally.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, February 03, 2018 22:16:07
    From: slider@anashram.com

    mr chips wrote...

    dude this a very focused process you are
    mentioning here. Now you're talking about
    really focusing on relaxation. This requires
    a very specific plan until you can get to it
    on your own. I actually think your attempt
    here is so good that at the very least if one
    falls asleep that you stand a very good chance
    at falling into a dild by accident. The trick
    is to get as silent as possible at the moment
    of sleep. Or at the moment of images coming
    in play on your 'screen'. This is a good reference
    for trying this, this is a good guide. I'll give
    it a go. 20 to 40 minutes is a serious attempt.
    That ain't no foolin' around my friend. Your method
    is a very sustained attempt. Strong intent pally.

    ### - the 'whole thing' is an attempt to 'move away' from 'unconscious' behaviour...

    and perforce this 'includes' consciously relaxing!

    iow: the whole attempt commences with learning to 'consciously' relax!

    its important to be (and remain) conscious throughout the relaxing process
    too!

    this then puts ya in the perfect position to 'consciously' enter into the
    first stages of what we've been calling: sleep! (i don't care what anyone says/suggests; i really don't think we're actually asleep at the point of beginning to gaze at the hypnagogia...)

    you'll know/recognise when your body is relaxed enough (20 to 40 mins for newbies) when it 'begins' to feel a bit different! (hands feel puffy, body feels slightly wider/bigger etc) and that's all ya have to arrive at via
    the relaxing bit, you don't have to go any farther than that! as soon as
    your body feels only a BIT different you're now ready to go on to the next stage!

    this first stage passed, next: ya consciously remove 'all' attention from
    how your body feels altogether by focusing now on only what your closed
    eyes can see, state straight ahead at a distance of around 10 to 15 inches
    away from your face... the hypnagogia will begin to appear now, if it
    hasn't already started appearing...

    stare straight ahead only, eventually images etc will also begin to appear
    more in your direct line of sight, these are the ones to go for so don't
    move your eyes around at all (if you move your eyes about the images will likely all disappear and you'll have to start over waiting for them...)

    you shouldn't be thinking/noticing your body at all by now, the images get clearer and clearer so when a really clear image shows up make an attempt
    to examine some of its finer details, this is the practice, and because
    looking at the finer details of any image is the very thing that finally beckons ya right into a WILD! this is usually immediately followed by:
    Yikes! Zing! D'OH! as ya bounce back out from the sudden jolt of being
    yanked into a WILD - no problem tho', just wait till the next image shows
    up and have another go straight away :)))

    and it's really no more complicated/complex than that! just a very simple progression!

    ya 'consciously' relax your body, and then ya 'consciously' isolate
    hypnagogia to examine in detail, and then ya 'consciously' find yourself
    right in the most epic lucid dream ever!

    fortunately for you (and all dild-doers too as it goes) you already know perfectly well how to behave in a lucid dream so's not to get immediately booted out, so the typical learning curve for old dild-os is actually shorter...

    the current record (for an absolute beginner) is 11 days, so you should be quite able to beat that really, as all it takes is a consistently
    'conscious' effort...

    everything ABOUT WILDing is the result of a - 'conscious' - effort

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsUpvFL_sGg

    ya gots to be a conscious mon! :)

    ya dig?

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  • From shitholio@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, February 03, 2018 14:30:07
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    ### - the 'whole thing' is an attempt to 'move away' from 'unconscious' behaviour...

    i see that. (said the blind man) ha ha

    and perforce this 'includes' consciously relaxing!

    iow: the whole attempt commences with learning to 'consciously' relax!

    its important to be (and remain) conscious throughout the relaxing process too!

    hey dave i think we have found the new nagual of dreaming eh?
    don Slider, you are at our service now aren't ya? lol!

    this then puts ya in the perfect position to 'consciously' enter into the first stages of what we've been calling: sleep! (i don't care what anyone says/suggests; i really don't think we're actually asleep at the point of beginning to gaze at the hypnagogia...)

    i think you are correct here otherwise it is nite-nite time for sure.

    you'll know/recognise when your body is relaxed enough (20 to 40 mins for newbies) when it 'begins' to feel a bit different! (hands feel puffy, body feels slightly wider/bigger etc) and that's all ya have to arrive at via
    the relaxing bit, you don't have to go any farther than that! as soon as
    your body feels only a BIT different you're now ready to go on to the next stage!

    i remember feelin' this way once on psilocybin back in '70.

    this first stage passed, next: ya consciously remove 'all' attention from
    how your body feels altogether by focusing now on only what your closed
    eyes can see, state straight ahead at a distance of around 10 to 15 inches away from your face... the hypnagogia will begin to appear now, if it
    hasn't already started appearing...

    eyes wide closed right ?

    stare straight ahead only, eventually images etc will also begin to appear more in your direct line of sight, these are the ones to go for so don't
    move your eyes around at all (if you move your eyes about the images will likely all disappear and you'll have to start over waiting for them...)

    you shouldn't be thinking/noticing your body at all by now, the images get clearer and clearer so when a really clear image shows up make an attempt
    to examine some of its finer details, this is the practice, and because looking at the finer details of any image is the very thing that finally beckons ya right into a WILD! this is usually immediately followed by:
    Yikes! Zing! D'OH! as ya bounce back out from the sudden jolt of being
    yanked into a WILD - no problem tho', just wait till the next image shows
    up and have another go straight away :)))

    and it's really no more complicated/complex than that! just a very simple progression!

    good because i don't like complicated hoop hoppin'.

    ya 'consciously' relax your body, and then ya 'consciously' isolate hypnagogia to examine in detail, and then ya 'consciously' find yourself right in the most epic lucid dream ever!

    fortunately for you (and all dild-doers too as it goes) you already know perfectly well how to behave in a lucid dream so's not to get immediately booted out, so the typical learning curve for old dild-os is actually shorter...

    well i hope to god (so to speak), at least i have some experience
    under my belt.

    the current record (for an absolute beginner) is 11 days, so you should be quite able to beat that really, as all it takes is a consistently
    'conscious' effort...

    everything ABOUT WILDing is the result of a - 'conscious' - effort

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsUpvFL_sGg

    ya gots to be a conscious mon! :)

    ya dig?

    i digs mon
    dig some of this too (while we are at it)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8DXhoIJ8cU

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to oh no on Sunday, February 04, 2018 01:17:14
    From: slider@anashram.com

    oh no wrote heh...

    ### - the 'whole thing' is an attempt to 'move away' from 'unconscious'
    behaviour...

    i see that. (said the blind man) ha ha

    ### - what? oop's sorry, i'll 'feel' that again? (braille glitch)



    and perforce this 'includes' consciously relaxing!

    iow: the whole attempt commences with learning to 'consciously' relax!

    its important to be (and remain) conscious throughout the relaxing
    process
    too!

    hey dave i think we have found the new nagual of dreaming eh?
    don Slider, you are at our service now aren't ya? lol!

    ### - always with the cc-jokes huh (cc=carbon copy)



    this then puts ya in the perfect position to 'consciously' enter into
    the
    first stages of what we've been calling: sleep! (i don't care what
    anyone
    says/suggests; i really don't think we're actually asleep at the point
    of
    beginning to gaze at the hypnagogia...)

    i think you are correct here otherwise it is nite-nite time for sure.

    you'll know/recognise when your body is relaxed enough (20 to 40 mins
    for
    newbies) when it 'begins' to feel a bit different! (hands feel puffy,
    body
    feels slightly wider/bigger etc) and that's all ya have to arrive at via
    the relaxing bit, you don't have to go any farther than that! as soon as
    your body feels only a BIT different you're now ready to go on to the
    next
    stage!

    i remember feelin' this way once on psilocybin back in '70.

    ### - i've had that on not only weed but lsd too + also correlates with
    what i've been sayin' (and also said in the book... dave) re exploring the
    same state of altered awareness that drugs produce 'without' the drugs!
    and 'without' the typical distortions those drugs also produce as side
    effects

    (don't get me wrong some of those 'side-effects' are luvely maan! hehe...)



    this first stage passed, next: ya consciously remove 'all' attention
    from
    how your body feels altogether by focusing now on only what your closed
    eyes can see, state straight ahead at a distance of around 10 to 15
    inches
    away from your face... the hypnagogia will begin to appear now, if it
    hasn't already started appearing...

    eyes wide closed right ?

    stare straight ahead only, eventually images etc will also begin to
    appear
    more in your direct line of sight, these are the ones to go for so don't
    move your eyes around at all (if you move your eyes about the images
    will
    likely all disappear and you'll have to start over waiting for them...)

    you shouldn't be thinking/noticing your body at all by now, the images
    get
    clearer and clearer so when a really clear image shows up make an
    attempt
    to examine some of its finer details, this is the practice, and because
    looking at the finer details of any image is the very thing that finally
    beckons ya right into a WILD! this is usually immediately followed by:
    Yikes! Zing! D'OH! as ya bounce back out from the sudden jolt of being
    yanked into a WILD - no problem tho', just wait till the next image
    shows
    up and have another go straight away :)))

    and it's really no more complicated/complex than that! just a very
    simple
    progression!

    good because i don't like complicated hoop hoppin'.

    ### - doesn't get much easier nor straightforward than this mate! :)

    = no mo' messin' aboot playin' guessin' games pal! (said in a strongly
    scottish caretaker willie accent heh)



    ya 'consciously' relax your body, and then ya 'consciously' isolate
    hypnagogia to examine in detail, and then ya 'consciously' find yourself
    right in the most epic lucid dream ever!

    fortunately for you (and all dild-doers too as it goes) you already know
    perfectly well how to behave in a lucid dream so's not to get
    immediately
    booted out, so the typical learning curve for old dild-os is actually
    shorter...

    well i hope to god (so to speak), at least i have some experience
    under my belt.

    ### - takes peeps quite a long time to learn to maintain being in the
    dream state without it all ending too soon to do any real
    exploring/mapping, but you already have all that well in-stock after years
    of dildo-ing about hehehe...

    now STOP dildo-ing aboot hah, just a little focusing on all 'this' for a
    little while will reveal shit you can't hardly believe you're actually
    doin' all by yourself hehehe

    (true...)

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  • From shitholio@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, February 04, 2018 08:58:18
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    a very dangerous time to attempt this
    is when one is bone ass tired. It is
    too easy to fall asleep, better to wait
    until one is in good shape when going to
    sleep. I was so damn tired last night
    and i wanted to give it a shot but as
    usual i fell asleep and had crappy dreams
    with no awareness.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Sunday, February 04, 2018 20:53:13
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Sun, 04 Feb 2018 20:44:16 -0000, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    conditions have to be totally perfect before I can "leap into
    a full dream state" from there.

    ### - aww, never mind, even a genius like 'you' can't be good at
    'everything' can they!

    LOL :D

    (am actually 'glad' ya can't WILD, last thing the world needs is shark
    swimming around in the beginners pool hah!)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, February 04, 2018 18:08:54
    From: slider@anashram.com

    a very dangerous time to attempt this
    is when one is bone ass tired. It is
    too easy to fall asleep, better to wait
    until one is in good shape when going to
    sleep. I was so damn tired last night
    and i wanted to give it a shot but as
    usual i fell asleep and had crappy dreams
    with no awareness.

    ### - strike one! ;)

    10 strikes to go to equal the current record holder hehehe...

    (you at least had the 'intention' to try it last nite, and so it begins...)

    so, would it break every rule in the book to maybe retire half an hour
    earlier tonite?

    to like maybe give yourself a fighting chance?

    (plus don't listen to jeremy, 'his' only intention at this point is to see
    you fail at this, just to spite ME! (ridiculous!) so am betting he can't
    keep his gob shut let alone actually encourage ya! and as such is
    virtually guaranteed so say something negative to ya aboot it...)

    jeremy, for example previously wrote: "For you, DILD is easier, just as it
    is for me."

    NOT! - chris is NOT at ALL like you jeremy! so please butt-out!

    chris WANTS to do this! so please let him be?

    --------------

    for jeremy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xDzVZcqtYI

    "ooh ooh ooh oooh..." :)

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  • From shitholio@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, February 04, 2018 12:34:46
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    relax tiger, he wants to see me do it.
    he's NOT competitive that way.
    hell i want to see anyone do this.
    i'm all for it. IF you can do it,
    more power to ya.

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to shitholio on Sunday, February 04, 2018 12:44:16
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-8, shitholio wrote:
    ### - the 'whole thing' is an attempt to 'move away' from 'unconscious' behaviour...

    i see that. (said the blind man) ha ha

    and perforce this 'includes' consciously relaxing!

    iow: the whole attempt commences with learning to 'consciously' relax!

    its important to be (and remain) conscious throughout the relaxing process too!

    hey dave i think we have found the new nagual of dreaming eh?
    don Slider, you are at our service now aren't ya? lol!

    Oh, he's already made it clear that he's well beyond any lousy
    'nagual'. Hasn't he? But notice how he ignores the good points
    I make (doesn't even answer direct questions half the time),
    and nearly wets his pants if anyone starts talking about dreaming
    outside the context of his precious WILD method.

    He's so uptight now he's even accusing me of trying to
    corrupt you, and has posted virtually the entirety of the
    content of his dreaming method from his book. He must
    be plenty worried. I keep telling him I think WILD is fine;
    I just don't think it's as important as he does.

    He just doesn't seem to believe ol' don Juan, who says:
    "Each warrior has his own way of dreaming. Each way is different." :)


    this then puts ya in the perfect position to 'consciously' enter into the first stages of what we've been calling: sleep! (i don't care what anyone says/suggests; i really don't think we're actually asleep at the point of beginning to gaze at the hypnagogia...)

    Yeah, truer words were never spoken than when you say "I don't care
    what anyone says...". :)


    i think you are correct here otherwise it is nite-nite time for sure.

    It's on the borderline between waking and sleeping. Wiki calls
    it a "transitional state" or a "threshold consciousness".

    I can get to the point of watching hypnagogia easily, even to the
    point of having it turn into little 'eyelid movies' with fairly
    clear and vividly detailed images. That's no problem for me,
    but conditions have to be totally perfect before I can "leap into
    a full dream state" from there.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Sunday, February 04, 2018 21:23:17
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Sun, 04 Feb 2018 20:44:16 -0000, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    He's so uptight now he's even accusing me of trying to
    corrupt you, and has posted virtually the entirety of the
    content of his dreaming method from his book.

    ### - ya didn't try to corrupt vinny either huh...

    fortunately, he (and his thunder mountain) left you standing bub!

    flew right over your head & left ya standing hah!

    standing in a pile your own shit! lol :)

    as for my book?

    you can KEEP all your million dollar ideas!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhhOmFwp7tc

    "i'm just giving it all away..."

    :P :P :P

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  • From shitholio@1:229/2 to All on Monday, February 05, 2018 08:46:23
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    how about those Eagles ?
    long shot came in.
    a real good football game.
    clean.

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to slider on Monday, February 05, 2018 08:44:35
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 1:23:19 PM UTC-8, slider wrote:
    On Sun, 04 Feb 2018 20:44:16 -0000, Jeremy H. Denisovan
    wrote:

    He's so uptight now he's even accusing me of trying to
    corrupt you, and has posted virtually the entirety of the
    content of his dreaming method from his book.

    ### - ya didn't try to corrupt vinny either huh...

    ?? My most recent emails with Vini were last Summer.
    A couple of years back we had lunch together one day as I
    passed through Portland. Why on earth would you talk about him?
    He thought you were a shithead last I heard.

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to shitholio on Monday, February 05, 2018 10:41:40
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 8:46:24 AM UTC-8, shitholio wrote:
    how about those Eagles ?
    long shot came in.
    a real good football game.
    clean.

    We had decided not to watch the game this year, but I changed
    my mind and recorded it, so I could speed through all the parts
    I didn't want to watch. It was such a great game! :)
    Just watched all the best parts...

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