the thing about getting relaxed enough to fall
into a wild seems to be the key. I've tried to
relax the fuck out of myself only to only maybe
drift off and go to sleep. yeah that one time
(only 1 time) i dozed off in the hot tub. It
was such a fluke that i have not been able to do
it again. I'm tryin', son of a bitch, you can't
get much more relaxed than laying in a hot tub.
I even made the water at 98 degrees so that the
heat would not be a distraction. I think some of
these guys who are long time meditators could get
to the spot relatively fast. I never 'went' anywhere
when i mediated. Oh if i go 37 minutes i can see a blue
hole looking out in the sky. But that's it, that is as
far as she goes. You wake up sometime. What i am suppose
lay there for 2 hours like an idiot in order to 'see' something?
Really? I rather go for a dild in dreaming, at least i can snooze.
But IF i ever get lucky you guys will be the first to hear about it.
the thing about getting relaxed enough to fall
into a wild seems to be the key. I've tried to
relax the fuck out of myself only to only maybe
drift off and go to sleep. yeah that one time
(only 1 time) i dozed off in the hot tub. It
was such a fluke that i have not been able to do
it again.
I'm tryin', son of a bitch, you can't
get much more relaxed than laying in a hot tub.
I even made the water at 98 degrees so that the
heat would not be a distraction. I think some of
these guys who are long time meditators could get
to the spot relatively fast. I never 'went' anywhere
when i mediated. Oh if i go 37 minutes i can see a blue
hole looking out in the sky. But that's it, that is as
far as she goes. You wake up sometime. What i am suppose
lay there for 2 hours like an idiot in order to 'see' something?
Really? I rather go for a dild in dreaming, at least i can snooze.
But IF i ever get lucky you guys will be the first to hear about it.
then perhaps it is a lifetime of
bad habit then? it is the not
doing of falling asleep like the
rest of the flock.
For you, DILD is easier, just as it is for me.
Slider, I wrote all that about Castaneda's methods not to recommend
them, but really just to summarize all my own thinking about them.
dude this a very focused process you are
mentioning here. Now you're talking about
really focusing on relaxation. This requires
a very specific plan until you can get to it
on your own. I actually think your attempt
here is so good that at the very least if one
falls asleep that you stand a very good chance
at falling into a dild by accident. The trick
is to get as silent as possible at the moment
of sleep. Or at the moment of images coming
in play on your 'screen'. This is a good reference
for trying this, this is a good guide. I'll give
it a go. 20 to 40 minutes is a serious attempt.
That ain't no foolin' around my friend. Your method
is a very sustained attempt. Strong intent pally.
### - the 'whole thing' is an attempt to 'move away' from 'unconscious' behaviour...
and perforce this 'includes' consciously relaxing!
iow: the whole attempt commences with learning to 'consciously' relax!
its important to be (and remain) conscious throughout the relaxing process too!
this then puts ya in the perfect position to 'consciously' enter into the first stages of what we've been calling: sleep! (i don't care what anyone says/suggests; i really don't think we're actually asleep at the point of beginning to gaze at the hypnagogia...)
you'll know/recognise when your body is relaxed enough (20 to 40 mins for newbies) when it 'begins' to feel a bit different! (hands feel puffy, body feels slightly wider/bigger etc) and that's all ya have to arrive at via
the relaxing bit, you don't have to go any farther than that! as soon as
your body feels only a BIT different you're now ready to go on to the next stage!
this first stage passed, next: ya consciously remove 'all' attention from
how your body feels altogether by focusing now on only what your closed
eyes can see, state straight ahead at a distance of around 10 to 15 inches away from your face... the hypnagogia will begin to appear now, if it
hasn't already started appearing...
stare straight ahead only, eventually images etc will also begin to appear more in your direct line of sight, these are the ones to go for so don't
move your eyes around at all (if you move your eyes about the images will likely all disappear and you'll have to start over waiting for them...)
you shouldn't be thinking/noticing your body at all by now, the images get clearer and clearer so when a really clear image shows up make an attempt
to examine some of its finer details, this is the practice, and because looking at the finer details of any image is the very thing that finally beckons ya right into a WILD! this is usually immediately followed by:
Yikes! Zing! D'OH! as ya bounce back out from the sudden jolt of being
yanked into a WILD - no problem tho', just wait till the next image shows
up and have another go straight away :)))
and it's really no more complicated/complex than that! just a very simple progression!
ya 'consciously' relax your body, and then ya 'consciously' isolate hypnagogia to examine in detail, and then ya 'consciously' find yourself right in the most epic lucid dream ever!
fortunately for you (and all dild-doers too as it goes) you already know perfectly well how to behave in a lucid dream so's not to get immediately booted out, so the typical learning curve for old dild-os is actually shorter...
the current record (for an absolute beginner) is 11 days, so you should be quite able to beat that really, as all it takes is a consistently
'conscious' effort...
everything ABOUT WILDing is the result of a - 'conscious' - effort
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsUpvFL_sGg
ya gots to be a conscious mon! :)
ya dig?
### - the 'whole thing' is an attempt to 'move away' from 'unconscious'
behaviour...
i see that. (said the blind man) ha ha
and perforce this 'includes' consciously relaxing!
iow: the whole attempt commences with learning to 'consciously' relax!
its important to be (and remain) conscious throughout the relaxing
process
too!
hey dave i think we have found the new nagual of dreaming eh?
don Slider, you are at our service now aren't ya? lol!
this then puts ya in the perfect position to 'consciously' enter into
the
first stages of what we've been calling: sleep! (i don't care what
anyone
says/suggests; i really don't think we're actually asleep at the point
of
beginning to gaze at the hypnagogia...)
i think you are correct here otherwise it is nite-nite time for sure.
you'll know/recognise when your body is relaxed enough (20 to 40 mins
for
newbies) when it 'begins' to feel a bit different! (hands feel puffy,
body
feels slightly wider/bigger etc) and that's all ya have to arrive at via
the relaxing bit, you don't have to go any farther than that! as soon as
your body feels only a BIT different you're now ready to go on to the
next
stage!
i remember feelin' this way once on psilocybin back in '70.
this first stage passed, next: ya consciously remove 'all' attention
from
how your body feels altogether by focusing now on only what your closed
eyes can see, state straight ahead at a distance of around 10 to 15
inches
away from your face... the hypnagogia will begin to appear now, if it
hasn't already started appearing...
eyes wide closed right ?
stare straight ahead only, eventually images etc will also begin to
appear
more in your direct line of sight, these are the ones to go for so don't
move your eyes around at all (if you move your eyes about the images
will
likely all disappear and you'll have to start over waiting for them...)
you shouldn't be thinking/noticing your body at all by now, the images
get
clearer and clearer so when a really clear image shows up make an
attempt
to examine some of its finer details, this is the practice, and because
looking at the finer details of any image is the very thing that finally
beckons ya right into a WILD! this is usually immediately followed by:
Yikes! Zing! D'OH! as ya bounce back out from the sudden jolt of being
yanked into a WILD - no problem tho', just wait till the next image
shows
up and have another go straight away :)))
and it's really no more complicated/complex than that! just a very
simple
progression!
good because i don't like complicated hoop hoppin'.
ya 'consciously' relax your body, and then ya 'consciously' isolate
hypnagogia to examine in detail, and then ya 'consciously' find yourself
right in the most epic lucid dream ever!
fortunately for you (and all dild-doers too as it goes) you already know
perfectly well how to behave in a lucid dream so's not to get
immediately
booted out, so the typical learning curve for old dild-os is actually
shorter...
well i hope to god (so to speak), at least i have some experience
under my belt.
conditions have to be totally perfect before I can "leap into
a full dream state" from there.
a very dangerous time to attempt this
is when one is bone ass tired. It is
too easy to fall asleep, better to wait
until one is in good shape when going to
sleep. I was so damn tired last night
and i wanted to give it a shot but as
usual i fell asleep and had crappy dreams
with no awareness.
### - the 'whole thing' is an attempt to 'move away' from 'unconscious' behaviour...
i see that. (said the blind man) ha ha
and perforce this 'includes' consciously relaxing!
iow: the whole attempt commences with learning to 'consciously' relax!
its important to be (and remain) conscious throughout the relaxing process too!
hey dave i think we have found the new nagual of dreaming eh?
don Slider, you are at our service now aren't ya? lol!
this then puts ya in the perfect position to 'consciously' enter into the first stages of what we've been calling: sleep! (i don't care what anyone says/suggests; i really don't think we're actually asleep at the point of beginning to gaze at the hypnagogia...)
i think you are correct here otherwise it is nite-nite time for sure.
He's so uptight now he's even accusing me of trying to
corrupt you, and has posted virtually the entirety of the
content of his dreaming method from his book.
On Sun, 04 Feb 2018 20:44:16 -0000, Jeremy H. Denisovan
wrote:
He's so uptight now he's even accusing me of trying to
corrupt you, and has posted virtually the entirety of the
content of his dreaming method from his book.
### - ya didn't try to corrupt vinny either huh...
how about those Eagles ?
long shot came in.
a real good football game.
clean.
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