• Re: hey mr. tambourine man

    From unclellis@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, January 11, 2018 17:44:12
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    oh by the way slider, that looks like something
    very worthwhile to read.

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  • From unclellis@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, January 11, 2018 17:42:48
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    no one is an outsider here no matter how out of it
    they be. we are connected, although some of us
    have cut off our connection by being stupid.
    You can't fool life, you just can't. It is set-up
    that you have to play the game. You can't really
    cheat for very long before the bottom drops out.
    Ask every homeless person where they went wrong.

    If you stay (don't commit suicide that is) you wind
    up playing the game. Rich, poor, stupid, smart, big,
    little, dumb, old, can you win? Ha ha. Turn the
    wheel and see. Wonder and wander, nothing is for sure.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, January 12, 2018 06:02:27
    From: slider@anashram.org

    oh by the way slider, that looks like something
    very worthwhile to read.

    ### - it's considered to be 'required reading' old chap heh ;)

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  • From unclellis@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, January 11, 2018 21:49:32
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    people just keep-on keeping-on

    as long as you are alive you'll be doing this.

    tangled up in blue or not.

    (dylan uses the keep-on keeping on line)

    perhaps he borrowed it from George O ?

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, January 12, 2018 05:15:48
    From: slider@anashram.org

    crsds states...

    no one is an outsider here no matter how out of it
    they be. we are connected, although some of us
    have cut off our connection by being stupid.
    You can't fool life, you just can't. It is set-up
    that you have to play the game. You can't really
    cheat for very long before the bottom drops out.
    Ask every homeless person where they went wrong.

    If you stay (don't commit suicide that is) you wind
    up playing the game. Rich, poor, stupid, smart, big,
    little, dumb, old, can you win? Ha ha. Turn the
    wheel and see. Wonder and wander, nothing is for sure.

    ### - the 'outsider' is real enough heh...

    and exists in many forms, most of which are kinda screwed up by dint of
    the way the ended up as outsiders, e.g., many are (like thang for
    instance) 'born' outsiders; people who, for one reason or another, just
    can't fit in/belong, and/or never did and thus have something very
    'different' about them, but we wont consider those because they didn't run
    the gauntlet of having to 'get out' and/or having ended up out because of
    the path (which more usually involves obtaining a directed education) they took...

    cc, for example, touches on this (acquired state of being) when he
    describes those who've broken their chains but are still in the world;
    they're here but no longer 'belong' because the usual concerns of people
    no longer concern them... (which i consider a pretty good/very-apt
    description btw)

    great artists and writers also often achieve this state of being by dint
    of their pursuits; a process of observation that results in a distinct
    sense of aloofness & alienation from the rest of society... to the point,
    for example, that many artists, still seeking sex, eventually became
    completely incapable of sustaining normal relationships and thus had to
    resort to shagging their models heh (most of which were ladies of the
    streets anyhoo...)

    you are correct though in the sense that there's nowhere to go for the outsider, he cannot any longer belong or fit in and yet is still alive in
    the world, a world that 'now' seems/appears to be totally insane, if not completely inane in the extreme! and he either leaves (moves on) or
    chooses to remain albeit now only living 'beside' the insane nightmare
    that is the world! (or wallyworld as i call it, smile...)

    true writers, under such circumstances, now have something to genuinely
    write about! and artists something to paint! the fucked up world at large becomes their primary inspiration! their message always the same! that in 'that' sense there IS only the one glaring truth which ordinary people
    appear to be completely unaware of! (ref. that george orwell quote that
    you liked so much, and his observations of the daily world etc in which
    people are basically all asleep!)

    cc went one step farther, for instance, and suggested that just breaking
    one's chains isn't enough, that perforce one must also become: a seer!
    (i.e., something more than just a genuine writer/poet/artist etc etc...) something arthur rimbaud 'also' suggested/affirmed by literally
    downing-tools at the ripe old age of 19! ("..i've seen enough, i've done enough; the vision can now be found on 'any' street corner!" --rimbaud)
    and who then spent the remaining 19 years of his life (died at age 38 i
    mean) literally putting into practice what he'd learned was
    required/needed to be done!

    that becoming writers, poets & artists (a high enough/lauded station in society) isn't enough! that's there's an even farther step to take! -
    rimbaud, amongst other things & adventures for example, after downing
    tools + scorning art etc altogether; traveled deeper into the heart of
    darkness (unexplored africa) than any white man ever before him, but he
    never wrote again!

    am aware of only 2 types of outsider that actually 'make the grade': the
    ones with no appreciable intellectual ability to begin with who then turn
    into the grinning-idiot type (heh), who appear to then lose their rational
    mind altogether but still actually know what they're doing on that other level... and the other one's who did have/got some kinda intellectual
    training, and thus manage to retain 'some' of that ability to varying
    degrees 'after' taking that farther step...

    (me? am definitely the grinning idiot type lol) ;)

    ***

    "Life goes on much the same. In the face of terrifying dangers and
    golden political opportunities, people just keep-on keeping-on in a
    sort of twilight sleep in which they're conscious of nothing but the daily-round of work, family life, darts at the pub, exercising the
    dog, bringing home the supper, beer, etc, etc."

    --George Orwell - 1940's London during the blitz

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, January 12, 2018 06:16:40
    From: slider@anashram.org

    oh by the way slider, that looks like something
    very worthwhile to read.

    - it's considered to be 'required reading' old chap heh ;)

    ### - might take ya 6 months to read it but worth doing...

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, January 12, 2018 05:57:05
    From: slider@anashram.org

    people just keep-on keeping-on

    as long as you are alive you'll be doing this.

    tangled up in blue or not.

    (dylan uses the keep-on keeping on line)

    perhaps he borrowed it from George O ?

    ### - immature poets imitate, mature poets: steal! --t.s. elliot

    (so bobby prolly stole it) ;)

    orwell wasn't just keepin'on was he; he was the 'observer' in that
    instance?

    all those he called asleep; are thus participants...

    i.e.,

    "perhaps it is better, in life, to be an observer 'rather' than a
    participant" --unknown

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  • From unclellis@1:229/2 to All on Friday, January 12, 2018 07:02:27
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    thanx for the heads up professor.

    i will set some time aside for this project.

    we just had some wet weather here in so cali.

    maybe some more rain next week.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, January 12, 2018 17:18:29
    From: slider@anashram.com

    thanx for the heads up professor.

    ### - yea am getting a promotion!


    i will set some time aside for this project.

    ### - even a whole lifetime wouldn't be too much...



    we just had some wet weather here in so cali.

    ### - well they do say a change is as good as a rest heh



    maybe some more rain next week.

    ### - so i take it then that all the fires are now out?

    whatever will we find to talk about now :D

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, January 13, 2018 00:48:32
    From: slider@anashram.com

    en that all the fires are now out?

    whatever will we find to talk about now :D

    about the shithole, lol! what else ?

    ### - thought ya didn't wanna discuss current affairs? lol

    but, to our shame; we've indeed reduced our planet to being a shithole!

    and all in the name of... progress?!

    riiiiight...

    seems more like we're going backwards instead of forwards?

    who's steering this shithole anyhoo??

    oh, right, hehehe... them! ;)

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  • From unclellis@1:229/2 to All on Friday, January 12, 2018 15:28:02
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    en that all the fires are now out?

    whatever will we find to talk about now :D

    about the shithole, lol! what else ?

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