• Re: Those Brief Moments - When Civilizations (Hang In The Balance) Are

    From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, November 14, 2017 04:47:45
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    Once there was a witness to great battle,a final stand, The Warrior was defeated,as he went to his death the Warrior who witnessed the battle and
    was sworn not to interfere looked at the Truth Warrior pleading to be allowed to assist in Battle or be allowed to die also,but each time the Truth Warrior nodded emphatically "No' . As the Warriors fire was extinguished the witness observed the phenomenoms of passage of a Truth Warrior and learned great lessons on the structures and flow of the usually impercievable. As the
    Truth Warrior was extinguished he looked to the witness and said : "We shall meet again" . Even with the amazing visions the witness walked away from
    the battle broken hearted and forlorn with thoughts of his own cowardice
    which were undeserved self punishments and foolishness because his promise
    had been not to interfere and he had honored his own oaths.

    Remembering his oaths and then the great phenomenoms percieved, the
    witness began to grow light of heart. It was then the Truth Warrior
    appeared for a few brief seconds and nodded approval two times. Bowing for
    the final time with the simple two words "Thank You" .

    As the endless battles of the future were presented and won. The Warrior remembered the amazing phenomenoms of the Truth Warriors exit and the
    humble nods and final bow that allowed him to place the amazing beside the mundane,the ordinary beside the extrordinary. Throughout countless battles
    the glow of memory stood as silent re-assurance of the wonderful folly of
    it all.

    Moral of the Story: Even in death a True Warrior is Flawless.

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  • From Jeremy H. Donovan@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, November 14, 2017 16:00:30
    From: jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com

    On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 4:47:46 AM UTC-8, LowRider44M wrote:
    Once there was a witness to great battle,a final stand, The Warrior was defeated,as he went to his death the Warrior who witnessed the battle and
    was sworn not to interfere looked at the Truth Warrior pleading to be allowed to assist in Battle or be allowed to die also,but each time the Truth Warrior nodded emphatically "No' . As the Warriors fire was extinguished the witness observed the phenomenoms of passage of a Truth Warrior and learned great lessons on the structures and flow of the usually impercievable. As the
    Truth Warrior was extinguished he looked to the witness and said : "We shall meet again" . Even with the amazing visions the witness walked away from
    the battle broken hearted and forlorn with thoughts of his own cowardice which were undeserved self punishments and foolishness because his promise had been not to interfere and he had honored his own oaths.

    Remembering his oaths and then the great phenomenoms percieved, the
    witness began to grow light of heart. It was then the Truth Warrior
    appeared for a few brief seconds and nodded approval two times. Bowing for the final time with the simple two words "Thank You" .

    I really like that.


    As the endless battles of the future were presented and won. The Warrior remembered the amazing phenomenoms of the Truth Warriors exit and the
    humble nods and final bow that allowed him to place the amazing beside the mundane,the ordinary beside the extrordinary. Throughout countless battles the glow of memory stood as silent re-assurance of the wonderful folly of
    it all.

    Moral of the Story: Even in death a True Warrior is Flawless.

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to Jeremy H. Donovan on Tuesday, November 14, 2017 22:38:34
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 7:00:31 PM UTC-5, Jeremy H. Donovan wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 4:47:46 AM UTC-8, LowRider44M wrote:
    Once there was a witness to great battle,a final stand, The Warrior was defeated,as he went to his death the Warrior who witnessed the battle and was sworn not to interfere looked at the Truth Warrior pleading to be
    allowed
    to assist in Battle or be allowed to die also,but each time the Truth
    Warrior
    nodded emphatically "No' . As the Warriors fire was extinguished the
    witness
    observed the phenomenoms of passage of a Truth Warrior and learned great lessons on the structures and flow of the usually impercievable. As the Truth Warrior was extinguished he looked to the witness and said : "We
    shall
    meet again" . Even with the amazing visions the witness walked away from the battle broken hearted and forlorn with thoughts of his own cowardice which were undeserved self punishments and foolishness because his promise had been not to interfere and he had honored his own oaths.

    Remembering his oaths and then the great phenomenoms percieved, the witness began to grow light of heart. It was then the Truth Warrior appeared for a few brief seconds and nodded approval two times. Bowing for the final time with the simple two words "Thank You" .

    I really like that.


    As the endless battles of the future were presented and won. The Warrior remembered the amazing phenomenoms of the Truth Warriors exit and the humble nods and final bow that allowed him to place the amazing beside the mundane,the ordinary beside the extrordinary. Throughout countless battles the glow of memory stood as silent re-assurance of the wonderful folly of it all.

    Moral of the Story: Even in death a True Warrior is Flawless.

    Thanks Jer,

    I got my paperwork turned into federal court for childhood disability review.
    I got assigned the chief judge of the first district, a 66 year old woman of uncompromising integrity. Extremely knowledgeable as regards the law and the weighing of evidence. The evidence from 1986 is missing(unbelievable). That issue is what shall allow me to go to circuit court of appeals if I fail at level one.

    I was eligible to receive childhood disability on my stepfather's earnings record. Instead they gave me SSI on the first try to sneak the denial of the proper benefits past me.

    It was fraud in the most blatant and vicious way.
    Now the records are described as "lost folder... aside I see no indication of disability before the age of 22."

    Translates" SSA administrative judge of 2016 hearing "if we ignore the destroyed federal SSA records of our fraudulent application process this guy is
    a obviously a lying punk."

    They owe me between 100,000 - 500,000 of my stepfathers tax money.
    The law stated they would pay benefits to disabled children and through
    fraud and deception they reneged.

    Got to see it through. win lose or draw.

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  • From whisperoutloud@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 06:52:42
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    Got to see it through. win lose or draw.

    go for it rocky.

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to intraphase@gmail.com on Thursday, November 16, 2017 09:19:43
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 04:47:45 -0800 (PST), LowRider44M
    <intraphase@gmail.com> wrote:



    Once there was a witness to great battle,a final stand, The Warrior was >defeated,as he went to his death the Warrior who witnessed the battle and
    was sworn not to interfere looked at the Truth Warrior pleading to be allowed >to assist in Battle or be allowed to die also,but each time the Truth Warrior >nodded emphatically "No' . As the Warriors fire was extinguished the witness >observed the phenomenoms of passage of a Truth Warrior and learned great >lessons on the structures and flow of the usually impercievable. As the
    Truth Warrior was extinguished he looked to the witness and said : "We shall >meet again" . Even with the amazing visions the witness walked away from
    the battle broken hearted and forlorn with thoughts of his own cowardice >which were undeserved self punishments and foolishness because his promise >had been not to interfere and he had honored his own oaths.

    Remembering his oaths and then the great phenomenoms percieved, the
    witness began to grow light of heart. It was then the Truth Warrior
    appeared for a few brief seconds and nodded approval two times. Bowing for >the final time with the simple two words "Thank You" .

    As the endless battles of the future were presented and won. The Warrior
    remembered the amazing phenomenoms of the Truth Warriors exit and the
    humble nods and final bow that allowed him to place the amazing beside the >mundane,the ordinary beside the extrordinary. Throughout countless battles >the glow of memory stood as silent re-assurance of the wonderful folly of
    it all.

    Moral of the Story: Even in death a True Warrior is Flawless.

    Faulty thinking - it's *only* in death that anyone is as close to
    perfection as is possible to become.

    Perfect stillness. Perfect serenity. Return of borrowed atoms and
    energy to nature and surrendering to entropy. The illusion of self and
    mind gone for eternity.

    That's near perfection. The heat death of the universe is closer.
    Dissolution of protons is even closer, but like zero Kelvin, ultimate perfection is unattainable.




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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to thang ornerythinchus on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 21:07:14
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 8:19:51 PM UTC-5, thang ornerythinchus wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 04:47:45 -0800 (PST), LowRider44M
    <> wrote:



    Once there was a witness to great battle,a final stand, The Warrior was >defeated,as he went to his death the Warrior who witnessed the battle and >was sworn not to interfere looked at the Truth Warrior pleading to be
    allowed
    to assist in Battle or be allowed to die also,but each time the Truth
    Warrior
    nodded emphatically "No' . As the Warriors fire was extinguished the witness >observed the phenomenoms of passage of a Truth Warrior and learned great >lessons on the structures and flow of the usually impercievable. As the >Truth Warrior was extinguished he looked to the witness and said : "We shall >meet again" . Even with the amazing visions the witness walked away from >the battle broken hearted and forlorn with thoughts of his own cowardice >which were undeserved self punishments and foolishness because his promise >had been not to interfere and he had honored his own oaths.

    Remembering his oaths and then the great phenomenoms percieved, the
    witness began to grow light of heart. It was then the Truth Warrior >appeared for a few brief seconds and nodded approval two times. Bowing for >the final time with the simple two words "Thank You" .

    As the endless battles of the future were presented and won. The Warrior
    remembered the amazing phenomenoms of the Truth Warriors exit and the >humble nods and final bow that allowed him to place the amazing beside the >mundane,the ordinary beside the extrordinary. Throughout countless battles >the glow of memory stood as silent re-assurance of the wonderful folly of >it all.

    Moral of the Story: Even in death a True Warrior is Flawless.

    It's a piece of prose I wrote when Carlos died.
    I knew he was a profoundly flawed person but his artistic quest was admirable. Twice after he died I had significant memorable dreams with him as a person interacting discussing the fundamentals of unseen structure.

    Faulty thinking - it's *only* in death that anyone is as close to
    perfection as is possible to become.

    I think bodies are like black holes that dissipates.
    I think information becomes self editing as consciousness.

    I agree what we call death is a unique symmetry of before now and after
    rolling up into a sphere of tiny grains, each grain a day that can be touched and re-experienced.


    Perfect stillness. Perfect serenity. Return of borrowed atoms and
    energy to nature and surrendering to entropy. The illusion of self and
    mind gone for eternity.

    Sometimes I see it that way, and hope it's like that.
    Other times I am more ambitious and buoyant about believing
    we return as consciousness where we have private worlds and
    when alone have all the powers of"god" mode, to test creations.


    That's near perfection. The heat death of the universe is closer. Dissolution of protons is even closer, but like zero Kelvin, ultimate perfection is unattainable.


    That's where my affection for certain types of gauge lattice theory
    kick in. the idea that in every cubic centimeter of empty space there is the equivalent of 50,000.03 pressing outward and 50,000.00 pressing inward.

    Those last three kelvins pushing outward.

    I like the two sheets collide membrane as flat proto universes theory too.

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to whisperoutloud on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 21:11:24
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 9:52:43 AM UTC-5, whisperoutloud wrote:
    Got to see it through. win lose or draw.

    go for it rocky.

    Thx for the encouragement.
    I wrote a 20 page argument to the final stage appeals council.
    So I have all the raw materials of laws and event line lists written.
    I'm going to cut it down to a 3.5 -4.5 page complaint and submit it soon.
    I have the law and facts on my side but there are no guarantees in this struggle.

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to intraphase@gmail.com on Friday, November 17, 2017 08:20:42
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 21:07:14 -0800 (PST), LowRider44M
    <intraphase@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 8:19:51 PM UTC-5, thang ornerythinchus wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 04:47:45 -0800 (PST), LowRider44M
    <> wrote:



    Once there was a witness to great battle,a final stand, The Warrior was
    defeated,as he went to his death the Warrior who witnessed the battle and >> >was sworn not to interfere looked at the Truth Warrior pleading to be allowed
    to assist in Battle or be allowed to die also,but each time the Truth Warrior
    nodded emphatically "No' . As the Warriors fire was extinguished the witness
    observed the phenomenoms of passage of a Truth Warrior and learned great
    lessons on the structures and flow of the usually impercievable. As the
    Truth Warrior was extinguished he looked to the witness and said : "We shall
    meet again" . Even with the amazing visions the witness walked away from
    the battle broken hearted and forlorn with thoughts of his own cowardice
    which were undeserved self punishments and foolishness because his promise >> >had been not to interfere and he had honored his own oaths.

    Remembering his oaths and then the great phenomenoms percieved, the
    witness began to grow light of heart. It was then the Truth Warrior
    appeared for a few brief seconds and nodded approval two times. Bowing for >> >the final time with the simple two words "Thank You" .

    As the endless battles of the future were presented and won. The Warrior >> >remembered the amazing phenomenoms of the Truth Warriors exit and the
    humble nods and final bow that allowed him to place the amazing beside the >> >mundane,the ordinary beside the extrordinary. Throughout countless battles >> >the glow of memory stood as silent re-assurance of the wonderful folly of >> >it all.

    Moral of the Story: Even in death a True Warrior is Flawless.

    It's a piece of prose I wrote when Carlos died.
    I knew he was a profoundly flawed person but his artistic quest was admirable. >Twice after he died I had significant memorable dreams with him as a person >interacting discussing the fundamentals of unseen structure.

    Well written. You're an obscure sort of bloke but occasionally you
    come out with this sort of thing which makes your appearances here
    welcome.


    Faulty thinking - it's *only* in death that anyone is as close to
    perfection as is possible to become.

    I think bodies are like black holes that dissipates.
    I think information becomes self editing as consciousness.

    According to modern science information is everything and information
    is never lost. Even black holes simply withhold information, it is
    never destroyed.

    At the most basic levels known (and there's plenty of levels unknown)
    there is no "solidity" and really no structure, just a probabilistic
    froth. At those levels of truth and reality all there is - is
    information.


    I agree what we call death is a unique symmetry of before now and after >rolling up into a sphere of tiny grains, each grain a day that can be touched >and re-experienced.

    That's a bit too obscure for me. Care to elaborate? It's commonly
    thought that space-time-matter is still being created (4D continuum -
    the big bang continues into eternity) and that "now" is the leading
    edge of that "explosion". The big bang occurred everywhere at once -
    and it's still occurring. There is no "before" the big bang because
    there was no time before the big bang. There is no "after" because
    it hasn't been created yet - all we have is "now", the leading edge of
    the continuous creation of space-time-matter.


    Perfect stillness. Perfect serenity. Return of borrowed atoms and
    energy to nature and surrendering to entropy. The illusion of self and
    mind gone for eternity.

    Sometimes I see it that way, and hope it's like that.
    Other times I am more ambitious and buoyant about believing
    we return as consciousness where we have private worlds and
    when alone have all the powers of"god" mode, to test creations.

    If we return to consciousness it won't be the primitive consciousness
    we use as home sapiens at the present time. I think it's more likely
    we just go, dissipate. And so what? You can't have any awareness of
    the immense loss that death brings if you're dead, can you? You're
    just dead, gone, constituent molecules given back to nature from
    whence they came.

    On the other hand, I could be wrong but even in the presence of a
    spiritual cosmos death would just be a returning to the spirit from
    whence we think we were separated (but never were).

    Any way you cut it, this awareness we think we have of the reality we
    think we perceive will be over when death happens. The self deception
    will terminate, for us all.

    That's near perfection. The heat death of the universe is closer.
    Dissolution of protons is even closer, but like zero Kelvin, ultimate
    perfection is unattainable.


    That's where my affection for certain types of gauge lattice theory
    kick in. the idea that in every cubic centimeter of empty space there is the >equivalent of 50,000.03 pressing outward and 50,000.00 pressing inward.

    Those last three kelvins pushing outward.

    I like the two sheets collide membrane as flat proto universes theory too.

    I prefer the simple concept of a stochastic ultimate reality and the inevitable, irreducible and irresistable march of entropy. Along with
    the probable existence of a multiverse to account for the insanely
    long odds of all the settings being right in this universe for the
    rise of life.



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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to thang ornerythinchus on Friday, November 17, 2017 12:17:07
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:20:47 PM UTC-5, thang ornerythinchus wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 21:07:14 -0800 (PST), LowRider44M
    <intraphase@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 8:19:51 PM UTC-5, thang ornerythinchus
    wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 04:47:45 -0800 (PST), LowRider44M
    <> wrote:



    Once there was a witness to great battle,a final stand, The Warrior was >> >defeated,as he went to his death the Warrior who witnessed the battle and

    was sworn not to interfere looked at the Truth Warrior pleading to be
    allowed
    to assist in Battle or be allowed to die also,but each time the Truth
    Warrior
    nodded emphatically "No' . As the Warriors fire was extinguished the
    witness
    observed the phenomenoms of passage of a Truth Warrior and learned great >> >lessons on the structures and flow of the usually impercievable. As the >> >Truth Warrior was extinguished he looked to the witness and said : "We
    shall
    meet again" . Even with the amazing visions the witness walked away from >> >the battle broken hearted and forlorn with thoughts of his own cowardice >> >which were undeserved self punishments and foolishness because his
    promise
    had been not to interfere and he had honored his own oaths.



    Remembering his oaths and then the great phenomenoms percieved, the
    witness began to grow light of heart. It was then the Truth Warrior
    appeared for a few brief seconds and nodded approval two times. Bowing
    for
    the final time with the simple two words "Thank You" .



    As the endless battles of the future were presented and won. The
    Warrior
    remembered the amazing phenomenoms of the Truth Warriors exit and the
    humble nods and final bow that allowed him to place the amazing beside
    the
    mundane,the ordinary beside the extrordinary. Throughout countless
    battles
    the glow of memory stood as silent re-assurance of the wonderful folly of

    it all.



    Moral of the Story: Even in death a True Warrior is Flawless.

    It's a piece of prose I wrote when Carlos died.
    I knew he was a profoundly flawed person but his artistic quest was
    admirable.
    Twice after he died I had significant memorable dreams with him as a person >interacting discussing the fundamentals of unseen structure.

    Well written. You're an obscure sort of bloke but occasionally you
    come out with this sort of thing which makes your appearances here
    welcome.


    Faulty thinking - it's *only* in death that anyone is as close to
    perfection as is possible to become.

    I think bodies are like black holes that dissipates.
    I think information becomes self editing as consciousness.

    According to modern science information is everything and information
    is never lost. Even black holes simply withhold information, it is
    never destroyed.

    This idea; "information is everything and information is never lost."

    If I didn't try to contemplate that 10-150 times a day I would get
    lost and go mathematically insane. My dilemma is that by engaging
    in math and physics, sometimes the answer-or structure would appear
    before I designed the question or array of formulas.

    To a small cadre of intelligence researchers I am a "notorious" person.
    About 10% believe I am an evil sinister being blockading their access to
    the quantum realm far below the Planck limit. The other 90% believe I am
    an honest person who has disclosed every finding, formulation, and pieces
    of structure the q-realm has demonstrated to me.

    Long distance transportation and communications is facilitated by the q-realm. Where everything is treated as information-equations. To select two equations and then choose two similar sequences from each equation and juxtapose them
    is as simple as you unwrapping two loafs of honey wheat bread and placing each on its own plate, crossing your arms you select a slice from each loaf and transfer it to the other loaf,then re wrap each loaf in its bag (Parenthesis).

    That applies to similar information sequences can be removed and spliced into each other's quantum equation. The ability to move vast piles of men and material is already present using this splicing method.

    The downside is q-realm won't allow (weaponization)as a piece of a star transferred with a piece of a planet. The equations which shape a spherical nuclear triggering implosion were the equations to build q-engines of computation that could open sub-equation (universes)shared for transportation. A sort of organized system of wormholes.


    At the most basic levels known (and there's plenty of levels unknown)
    there is no "solidity" and really no structure,

    ABSOLUTE agreement there.

    just a probabilistic
    froth. At those levels of truth and reality all there is - is
    information.


    That is the outer product, in every point there is:

    Computational Realm
    Information Realm
    Compact Lattice - clear diamond filter properties - dark energy - Lightmach 73 Diffuse Lattice - black diamond filter properties - dark matter - Lightmach 23

    All four above far below Planck limit

    Then the fifth physically explorable level of bubbling froth 3% radiation 1% coherent matter with duration scales.

    Above is a model and approximation only, it only makes sense if EVERYTHING
    is viewed as INFORMATION.

    Early in the movie The Matrix, Morpheus is schooling Neo on the idea
    of the matrix(froth's circular formulas-Universe's Parameters) verses
    The Construct as underlying fundamental structured conflict between
    infinite information struggling both with and against eternal-everlasting information properties and functions.

    At 1:35 he goes off script: the construct is the loading program. The basics. All versions of the matrix - universe are "froth" inherently unstable.

    Morpheus and Neo in The Construct
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm-nf1FZsWY

    Neo's oldest self buried in a quasi (semi-coded) version of The Construct. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHZl2naX1Xk

    He never escapes. To enter The Construct and survive is to follow
    its basic form: "Three Is The Smallest Math Jury"
    Instead of Child, Adult, Eternal Rhythum Formulas (so called A.I.);
    There is in this movie.
    Elder - Architect - White
    Adult - Neo - Black
    Child - Sati - Yellow (Burning Widow = Info Froth World - point level-5)

    A recipe for a hung math jury.
    Insert the wrong splice of information https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkkHoM6E00c

    Sati = Sati or suttee[note 1] is an obsolete funeral custom where a widow immolates herself on her husband's pyre or commits suicide in another fashion shortly after her husband's death.[2][3][4]

    Mention of the practice can be dated back to the 1st century BC,[5] while evidence of practice by widows of kings only appears beginning between the 5th and 9th centuries AD. The practice is considered to have originated within the warrior aristocracy in
    India, gradually gaining in popularity from the 10th century AD and spreading to other groups from the 12th through 18th century AD. The practice was particularly prevalent among some Hindu communities,[6] observed in aristocratic Sikh families,[7] and
    has been attested to outside South Asia in a number of localities in Southeast Asia, such as in Indonesia[8] and Vietnam.




    I agree what we call death is a unique symmetry of before now and after >rolling up into a sphere of tiny grains, each grain a day that can be
    touched
    and re-experienced.

    That's a bit too obscure for me. Care to elaborate? It's commonly
    thought that space-time-matter is still being created (4D continuum -
    the big bang continues into eternity) and that "now" is the leading
    edge of that "explosion".

    In those words, and "knowing you understand: every point is the center
    of the universe and origin of big bang I can agree 100%

    Below the planck length in every point is that four layered structure from above. In each point is where the struggle between infinites and eternals
    is being used to maintain the underlying relationships of THE CONSTRUCT.

    The big bang occurred everywhere at once -
    and it's still occurring. There is no "before" the big bang because
    there was no time before the big bang.

    A series of parameters initialized.
    Before I state my my best model I need to premise it on a infinite sea of
    chaos reduced to: Points / Lines / Circles / Spirals / Spheres

    From this both Eternal/Everlasting Vs. Infinite Inward/Infinite Outward
    soup of five constituent parts are all the more complex patterns of information generated.

    Safety save needed:
    Thang I am going to continue in another post so google does not eat this

    There is no "after" because
    it hasn't been created yet - all we have is "now", the leading edge of
    the continuous creation of space-time-matter.


    Perfect stillness. Perfect serenity. Return of borrowed atoms and
    energy to nature and surrendering to entropy. The illusion of self and
    mind gone for eternity.

    Sometimes I see it that way, and hope it's like that.
    Other times I am more ambitious and buoyant about believing
    we return as consciousness where we have private worlds and
    when alone have all the powers of"god" mode, to test creations.

    If we return to consciousness it won't be the primitive consciousness
    we use as home sapiens at the present time. I think it's more likely
    we just go, dissipate. And so what? You can't have any awareness of
    the immense loss that death brings if you're dead, can you? You're
    just dead, gone, constituent molecules given back to nature from
    whence they came.

    On the other hand, I could be wrong but even in the presence of a
    spiritual cosmos death would just be a returning to the spirit from
    whence we think we were separated (but never were).

    Any way you cut it, this awareness we think we have of the reality we
    think we perceive will be over when death happens. The self deception
    will terminate, for us all.

    That's near perfection. The heat death of the universe is closer.
    Dissolution of protons is even closer, but like zero Kelvin, ultimate
    perfection is unattainable.


    That's where my affection for certain types of gauge lattice theory
    kick in. the idea that in every cubic centimeter of empty space there is the >equivalent of 50,000.03 pressing outward and 50,000.00 pressing inward.

    Those last three kelvins pushing outward.

    I like the two sheets collide membrane as flat proto universes theory too.

    I prefer the simple concept of a stochastic ultimate reality and the inevitable, irreducible and irresistable march of entropy. Along with
    the probable existence of a multiverse to account for the insanely
    long odds of all the settings being right in this universe for the
    rise of life.



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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Friday, November 17, 2017 17:25:11
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 12:17:08 PM UTC-8, LowRider44M wrote:
    On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:20:47 PM UTC-5, thang ornerythinchus
    wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 21:07:14 -0800 (PST), LowRider44M <intraphase@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 8:19:51 PM UTC-5, thang ornerythinchus
    wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 04:47:45 -0800 (PST), LowRider44M
    <> wrote:



    Once there was a witness to great battle,a final stand, The Warrior was

    defeated,as he went to his death the Warrior who witnessed the battle
    and
    was sworn not to interfere looked at the Truth Warrior pleading to be
    allowed
    to assist in Battle or be allowed to die also,but each time the Truth
    Warrior
    nodded emphatically "No' . As the Warriors fire was extinguished the
    witness
    observed the phenomenoms of passage of a Truth Warrior and learned
    great
    lessons on the structures and flow of the usually impercievable. As the

    Truth Warrior was extinguished he looked to the witness and said : "We
    shall
    meet again" . Even with the amazing visions the witness walked away
    from
    the battle broken hearted and forlorn with thoughts of his own
    cowardice
    which were undeserved self punishments and foolishness because his
    promise
    had been not to interfere and he had honored his own oaths.



    Remembering his oaths and then the great phenomenoms percieved, the >> >witness began to grow light of heart. It was then the Truth Warrior
    appeared for a few brief seconds and nodded approval two times. Bowing
    for
    the final time with the simple two words "Thank You" .



    As the endless battles of the future were presented and won. The
    Warrior
    remembered the amazing phenomenoms of the Truth Warriors exit and the >> >humble nods and final bow that allowed him to place the amazing beside
    the
    mundane,the ordinary beside the extrordinary. Throughout countless
    battles
    the glow of memory stood as silent re-assurance of the wonderful folly
    of
    it all.



    Moral of the Story: Even in death a True Warrior is Flawless.

    It's a piece of prose I wrote when Carlos died.
    I knew he was a profoundly flawed person but his artistic quest was
    admirable.
    Twice after he died I had significant memorable dreams with him as a
    person
    interacting discussing the fundamentals of unseen structure.

    Well written. You're an obscure sort of bloke but occasionally you
    come out with this sort of thing which makes your appearances here
    welcome.


    Faulty thinking - it's *only* in death that anyone is as close to
    perfection as is possible to become.

    I think bodies are like black holes that dissipates.
    I think information becomes self editing as consciousness.

    According to modern science information is everything and information
    is never lost. Even black holes simply withhold information, it is
    never destroyed.

    This idea; "information is everything and information is never lost."

    If I didn't try to contemplate that 10-150 times a day I would get
    lost and go mathematically insane. My dilemma is that by engaging
    in math and physics, sometimes the answer-or structure would appear
    before I designed the question or array of formulas.

    To a small cadre of intelligence researchers I am a "notorious" person.
    About 10% believe I am an evil sinister being blockading their access to
    the quantum realm far below the Planck limit. The other 90% believe I am
    an honest person who has disclosed every finding, formulation, and pieces
    of structure the q-realm has demonstrated to me.

    Long distance transportation and communications is facilitated by the
    q-realm.
    Where everything is treated as information-equations. To select two equations
    and then choose two similar sequences from each equation and juxtapose them
    is as simple as you unwrapping two loafs of honey wheat bread and placing
    each on its own plate, crossing your arms you select a slice from each loaf and
    transfer it to the other loaf,then re wrap each loaf in its bag (Parenthesis).

    That applies to similar information sequences can be removed and spliced into each other's quantum equation. The ability to move vast piles of men and
    material is already present using this splicing method.

    The downside is q-realm won't allow (weaponization)as a piece of a star transferred with a piece of a planet. The equations which shape a spherical nuclear triggering implosion were the equations to build q-engines of
    computation that could open sub-equation (universes)shared for transportation.
    A sort of organized system of wormholes.


    At the most basic levels known (and there's plenty of levels unknown)
    there is no "solidity" and really no structure,

    ABSOLUTE agreement there.

    just a probabilistic
    froth. At those levels of truth and reality all there is - is
    information.


    That is the outer product, in every point there is:

    Computational Realm
    Information Realm
    Compact Lattice - clear diamond filter properties - dark energy - Lightmach
    73
    Diffuse Lattice - black diamond filter properties - dark matter - Lightmach
    23

    All four above far below Planck limit

    There are no experimental results showing anything at all
    'below' the Planck length. Indeed, there's no conclusively
    proven physical significance at all to the Planck length itself.

    So, this has to be something you just somehow "see" or "intuit"?
    Yet it couldn't possibly all merely be some beautiful imaginary
    world in your own mind? (While one person here calls me grandiose...)


    Then the fifth physically explorable level of bubbling froth 3% radiation 1%
    coherent matter with duration scales.

    Froth? Usually it's called "foam", if that's the reference. :)
    And that too is still a speculative conceptual extension of
    how 'quantum gravity' may relate to general relativity,
    which is also far from being conclusively verified.

    Yet once again, you seem completely sure about it.


    Above is a model and approximation only, it only makes sense if EVERYTHING
    is viewed as INFORMATION.

    Early in the movie The Matrix, Morpheus is schooling Neo on the idea
    of the matrix(froth's circular formulas-Universe's Parameters) verses
    The Construct as underlying fundamental structured conflict between
    infinite information struggling both with and against eternal-everlasting
    information properties and functions.

    At 1:35 he goes off script: the construct is the loading program. The basics. All versions of the matrix - universe are "froth" inherently unstable.

    Morpheus and Neo in The Construct
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm-nf1FZsWY

    Neo's oldest self buried in a quasi (semi-coded) version of The Construct. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHZl2naX1Xk

    He never escapes. To enter The Construct and survive is to follow
    its basic form: "Three Is The Smallest Math Jury"
    Instead of Child, Adult, Eternal Rhythum Formulas (so called A.I.);
    There is in this movie.
    Elder - Architect - White
    Adult - Neo - Black
    Child - Sati - Yellow (Burning Widow = Info Froth World - point level-5)

    A recipe for a hung math jury.
    Insert the wrong splice of information https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkkHoM6E00c

    Sati = Sati or suttee[note 1] is an obsolete funeral custom where a widow
    immolates herself on her husband's pyre or commits suicide in another fashion shortly after her husband's death.[2][3][4]

    Mention of the practice can be dated back to the 1st century BC,[5] while
    evidence of practice by widows of kings only appears beginning between the 5th and 9th centuries AD. The practice is considered to have originated within the warrior aristocracy
    in India, gradually gaining in popularity from the 10th century AD and spreading to other groups from the 12th through 18th century AD. The practice was particularly prevalent among some Hindu communities,[6] observed in aristocratic Sikh families,[7]
    and has been attested to outside South Asia in a number of localities in Southeast Asia, such as in Indonesia[8] and Vietnam.




    I agree what we call death is a unique symmetry of before now and after >rolling up into a sphere of tiny grains, each grain a day that can be
    touched
    and re-experienced.

    That's a bit too obscure for me. Care to elaborate? It's commonly
    thought that space-time-matter is still being created (4D continuum -
    the big bang continues into eternity) and that "now" is the leading
    edge of that "explosion".

    In those words, and "knowing you understand: every point is the center
    of the universe and origin of big bang I can agree 100%

    Below the planck length in every point is that four layered structure from above. In each point is where the struggle between infinites and eternals
    is being used to maintain the underlying relationships of THE CONSTRUCT.

    So your model of consciousness is also based on these as yet
    totally unverified "levels" (assuming The Matrix is only a
    lucky Hollywood guess somewhat analogous to your own ideas)?


    The big bang occurred everywhere at once -
    and it's still occurring. There is no "before" the big bang because
    there was no time before the big bang.

    A series of parameters initialized.
    Before I state my my best model I need to premise it on a infinite sea of chaos reduced to: Points / Lines / Circles / Spirals / Spheres

    From this both Eternal/Everlasting Vs. Infinite Inward/Infinite Outward
    soup of five constituent parts are all the more complex patterns of
    information
    generated.

    Safety save needed:
    Thang I am going to continue in another post so google does not eat this

    Google will indeed eat posts, and with no warning. :)
    I guess I'll stop here too.

    Just one more observation. If there really was some universal "now"
    related to big bangs banging :), it could imply there may be in
    some sense also a "universal time" in each universe (which seems
    to maybe contradict relativity theory, yet I've read physicists who
    hypothesize that such a "universal time" may exist and I personally
    find it a fascinating possibility). Yet that too is unverified.


    There is no "after" because
    it hasn't been created yet - all we have is "now", the leading edge of
    the continuous creation of space-time-matter.


    Perfect stillness. Perfect serenity. Return of borrowed atoms and
    energy to nature and surrendering to entropy. The illusion of self and >> mind gone for eternity.

    Sometimes I see it that way, and hope it's like that.
    Other times I am more ambitious and buoyant about believing
    we return as consciousness where we have private worlds and
    when alone have all the powers of"god" mode, to test creations.

    If we return to consciousness it won't be the primitive consciousness
    we use as home sapiens at the present time. I think it's more likely
    we just go, dissipate. And so what? You can't have any awareness of
    the immense loss that death brings if you're dead, can you? You're
    just dead, gone, constituent molecules given back to nature from
    whence they came.

    On the other hand, I could be wrong but even in the presence of a
    spiritual cosmos death would just be a returning to the spirit from
    whence we think we were separated (but never were).

    Any way you cut it, this awareness we think we have of the reality we
    think we perceive will be over when death happens. The self deception
    will terminate, for us all.

    That's near perfection. The heat death of the universe is closer.
    Dissolution of protons is even closer, but like zero Kelvin, ultimate
    perfection is unattainable.


    That's where my affection for certain types of gauge lattice theory
    kick in. the idea that in every cubic centimeter of empty space there is
    the
    equivalent of 50,000.03 pressing outward and 50,000.00 pressing inward.

    Those last three kelvins pushing outward.

    I like the two sheets collide membrane as flat proto universes theory too.

    I prefer the simple concept of a stochastic ultimate reality and the inevitable, irreducible and irresistable march of entropy. Along with
    the probable existence of a multiverse to account for the insanely
    long odds of all the settings being right in this universe for the
    rise of life.



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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to All on Friday, November 17, 2017 14:53:41
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 3:17:08 PM UTC-5, LowRider44M wrote:
    On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:20:47 PM UTC-5, thang ornerythinchus
    wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 21:07:14 -0800 (PST), LowRider44M <intraphase@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 8:19:51 PM UTC-5, thang ornerythinchus
    wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 04:47:45 -0800 (PST), LowRider44M
    <> wrote:



    Once there was a witness to great battle,a final stand, The Warrior was

    defeated,as he went to his death the Warrior who witnessed the battle
    and
    was sworn not to interfere looked at the Truth Warrior pleading to be
    allowed
    to assist in Battle or be allowed to die also,but each time the Truth
    Warrior
    nodded emphatically "No' . As the Warriors fire was extinguished the
    witness
    observed the phenomenoms of passage of a Truth Warrior and learned
    great
    lessons on the structures and flow of the usually impercievable. As the

    Truth Warrior was extinguished he looked to the witness and said : "We
    shall
    meet again" . Even with the amazing visions the witness walked away
    from
    the battle broken hearted and forlorn with thoughts of his own
    cowardice
    which were undeserved self punishments and foolishness because his
    promise
    had been not to interfere and he had honored his own oaths.



    Remembering his oaths and then the great phenomenoms percieved, the >> >witness began to grow light of heart. It was then the Truth Warrior
    appeared for a few brief seconds and nodded approval two times. Bowing
    for
    the final time with the simple two words "Thank You" .



    As the endless battles of the future were presented and won. The
    Warrior
    remembered the amazing phenomenoms of the Truth Warriors exit and the >> >humble nods and final bow that allowed him to place the amazing beside
    the
    mundane,the ordinary beside the extrordinary. Throughout countless
    battles
    the glow of memory stood as silent re-assurance of the wonderful folly
    of
    it all.



    Moral of the Story: Even in death a True Warrior is Flawless.

    It's a piece of prose I wrote when Carlos died.
    I knew he was a profoundly flawed person but his artistic quest was
    admirable.
    Twice after he died I had significant memorable dreams with him as a
    person
    interacting discussing the fundamentals of unseen structure.

    Well written. You're an obscure sort of bloke but occasionally you
    come out with this sort of thing which makes your appearances here
    welcome.


    Faulty thinking - it's *only* in death that anyone is as close to
    perfection as is possible to become.

    I think bodies are like black holes that dissipates.
    I think information becomes self editing as consciousness.

    According to modern science information is everything and information
    is never lost. Even black holes simply withhold information, it is
    never destroyed.

    This idea; "information is everything and information is never lost."

    If I didn't try to contemplate that 10-150 times a day I would get
    lost and go mathematically insane. My dilemma is that by engaging
    in math and physics, sometimes the answer-or structure would appear
    before I designed the question or array of formulas.

    To a small cadre of intelligence researchers I am a "notorious" person.
    About 10% believe I am an evil sinister being blockading their access to
    the quantum realm far below the Planck limit. The other 90% believe I am
    an honest person who has disclosed every finding, formulation, and pieces
    of structure the q-realm has demonstrated to me.

    Long distance transportation and communications is facilitated by the
    q-realm.
    Where everything is treated as information-equations. To select two equations
    and then choose two similar sequences from each equation and juxtapose them
    is as simple as you unwrapping two loafs of honey wheat bread and placing
    each on its own plate, crossing your arms you select a slice from each loaf and
    transfer it to the other loaf,then re wrap each loaf in its bag (Parenthesis).

    That applies to similar information sequences can be removed and spliced into each other's quantum equation. The ability to move vast piles of men and
    material is already present using this splicing method.

    The downside is q-realm won't allow (weaponization)as a piece of a star transferred with a piece of a planet. The equations which shape a spherical nuclear triggering implosion were the equations to build q-engines of
    computation that could open sub-equation (universes)shared for transportation.
    A sort of organized system of wormholes.


    At the most basic levels known (and there's plenty of levels unknown)
    there is no "solidity" and really no structure,

    ABSOLUTE agreement there.

    just a probabilistic
    froth. At those levels of truth and reality all there is - is
    information.


    That is the outer product, in every point there is:

    Computational Realm
    Information Realm
    Compact Lattice - clear diamond filter properties - dark energy - Lightmach
    73
    Diffuse Lattice - black diamond filter properties - dark matter - Lightmach
    23

    All four above far below Planck limit

    Then the fifth physically explorable level of bubbling froth 3% radiation 1%
    coherent matter with duration scales.

    Above is a model and approximation only, it only makes sense if EVERYTHING
    is viewed as INFORMATION.

    Early in the movie The Matrix, Morpheus is schooling Neo on the idea
    of the matrix(froth's circular formulas-Universe's Parameters) verses
    The Construct as underlying fundamental structured conflict between
    infinite information struggling both with and against eternal-everlasting
    information properties and functions.

    At 1:35 he goes off script: the construct is the loading program. The basics. All versions of the matrix - universe are "froth" inherently unstable.

    Morpheus and Neo in The Construct
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm-nf1FZsWY

    Neo's oldest self buried in a quasi (semi-coded) version of The Construct. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHZl2naX1Xk

    He never escapes. To enter The Construct and survive is to follow
    its basic form: "Three Is The Smallest Math Jury"
    Instead of Child, Adult, Eternal Rhythum Formulas (so called A.I.);
    There is in this movie.
    Elder - Architect - White
    Adult - Neo - Black
    Child - Sati - Yellow (Burning Widow = Info Froth World - point level-5)

    A recipe for a hung math jury.
    Insert the wrong splice of information https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkkHoM6E00c

    Sati = Sati or suttee[note 1] is an obsolete funeral custom where a widow
    immolates herself on her husband's pyre or commits suicide in another fashion shortly after her husband's death.[2][3][4]

    Mention of the practice can be dated back to the 1st century BC,[5] while
    evidence of practice by widows of kings only appears beginning between the 5th and 9th centuries AD. The practice is considered to have originated within the warrior aristocracy
    in India, gradually gaining in popularity from the 10th century AD and spreading to other groups from the 12th through 18th century AD. The practice was particularly prevalent among some Hindu communities,[6] observed in aristocratic Sikh families,[7]
    and has been attested to outside South Asia in a number of localities in Southeast Asia, such as in Indonesia[8] and Vietnam.




    I agree what we call death is a unique symmetry of before now and after >rolling up into a sphere of tiny grains, each grain a day that can be
    touched
    and re-experienced.

    That's a bit too obscure for me. Care to elaborate? It's commonly
    thought that space-time-matter is still being created (4D continuum -
    the big bang continues into eternity) and that "now" is the leading
    edge of that "explosion".

    In those words, and "knowing you understand: every point is the center
    of the universe and origin of big bang I can agree 100%

    Below the planck length in every point is that four layered structure from above. In each point is where the struggle between infinites and eternals
    is being used to maintain the underlying relationships of THE CONSTRUCT.

    The big bang occurred everywhere at once -
    and it's still occurring. There is no "before" the big bang because
    there was no time before the big bang.

    A series of parameters initialized.
    Before I state my my best model I need to premise it on a infinite sea of chaos reduced to: Points / Lines / Circles / Spirals / Spheres

    After decades of thought, exploration and experimentation I posit-postulate that at the inward and outward infinities of size verse sizelessness that those primordial five beings are THE EXISTENT as possessing constant interaction between infinite infinities and eternal infinities, the type of stuff mathematicians go insane if they think about it to much.

    If those EXISTENT forms are labeled as "Seas Of Chaos"
    Once organized into repeating fabrics of organized lattices
    they become THE CONSTRUCT or a construct, similar to whats depicted
    in The Matrix movie early on.

    Here is a model of an organized five level point
    In the constant white radiance of the seas of chaos imagine a large
    custom touring bus completely built of black material(dark coherent energy 73%) inside the bus is a black flashlight hanging-hovering exactly centered
    (dark matter 23%) inside the flashlight is the bulb & mechanism (compact dark lattices) and the battery (super compact clear lattices).

    Inside the battery is a size-less infinity the raw point channeling
    Points / Lines / Circles / Spirals / Spheres
    and the battery (clear and dark lattices)
    Computational Realm
    Information Realm
    Compact Lattice - clear diamond filter properties - dark energy - Lightmach
    73
    Diffuse Lattice - black diamond filter properties - dark matter - Lightmach
    23

    Draw the chaos into the virtual point and use the gearing system of the information realm to sustain and slowly expand The Construct

    So The Black Bus Holding(filter lattice) The Black Flashlight(filter lattice) Holding The Bulb Mechanism And Battery (info realm gears and computational point) using the transported chaos produce coherent white light(matter) & all radiation.

    Above model is a single point that quantum tunnels itself into every nearby point and keeps expanding infinitely. We the self editing information patterns of consciousnesses experiencing the human form are the light projected by the black flashlight inside the darkness of the black bus moving eternally through the seas of chaotic Points / Lines / Circles / Spirals / Spheres.

    A perpetual motion machine, existing below the Planck level.
    An indestructible, self replicating, form of self organizing, consciousness: surviving by forcing formulas to do battle as

    Infinite Vs Infinite / Eternal Vs Eternal (eternal = indestructible)
    Verses
    Eternal Vs Infinite / Infinite Vs Eternal

    Yet it only makes sense if every point contains a size-less
    realm where computation of information about size relative to size occurs.

    As I stated above knowing as you said: "EVERYTHING IS INFORMATION"

    There just models and sharing for conversational value.
    Critiques criticism and possible exposure of fatal flaws in models
    is most welcome and very much appreciated.




    From this both Eternal/Everlasting Vs. Infinite Inward/Infinite Outward
    soup of five constituent parts are all the more complex patterns of
    information
    generated.

    Safety save needed:
    Thang I am going to continue in another post so google does not eat this

    Added sections above to flesh out models.


    There is no "after" because
    it hasn't been created yet - all we have is "now", the leading edge of
    the continuous creation of space-time-matter.


    I believe both, our human analog perception of consciousness is very
    much a "now." I have read some good papers on the "extended now"
    attempting to sub divide that which presents difficulties of defining
    and needs for new models. I believe as a human the past and future are information constructs: the future as prospective outcome and the past as snatches of memory. In this now we have the construct of motion.
    My perception of the info and computational realm is you are at X then X1
    and there is no perception of walking or riding from X to X1.


    Perfect stillness. Perfect serenity. Return of borrowed atoms and
    energy to nature and surrendering to entropy. The illusion of self and >> mind gone for eternity.

    Sometimes I see it that way, and hope it's like that.
    Other times I am more ambitious and buoyant about believing
    we return as consciousness where we have private worlds and
    when alone have all the powers of"god" mode, to test creations.

    If we return to consciousness it won't be the primitive consciousness
    we use as home sapiens at the present time. I think it's more likely
    we just go, dissipate.

    I sometimes wish for that form of death.
    I bound my consciousness to certain information patterns.
    In between each symbol I launched a eternal computation of Pi
    They follow me like three huge Saint Bernard dogs that is why I am notorious
    to a small group of researchers and intelligence personnel: my Q-Engines.
    They are my original computational jury; they serve as my info ship in the seas of chaotica and my library and librarian while I have a presence here.

    The computational realm and information realm are my natural self - sphere. Lightmach zero is the instantaneous action of q-realm and the zero gearing system of information realm's Zero to 640 octillion lightmach filtering system.

    I use a divided self

    1Pure-3True-5Natural
    Vs
    2Full-4Whole

    To die in the information and computational realm seems impossible.

    [continued in next message]

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, November 18, 2017 00:40:13
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    Some thoughtful tunes.

    Man On The Moon - R.E.M.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hKSYgOGtos

    Desperately Wanting - Better Than Ezra https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v74yTy1UTuk
    Past the road to your house
    That you never called home
    Where they turned out the lights
    Though they say you'll never know
    I remember running through the wet grass
    Falling a step behind
    Both of us never tiring
    Desperately wanting
    When they pumped out your guts
    Filled you full of those pills
    You were never quite right
    Deserving all the chills
    They say the worst is over
    Kicked it over and ran
    Then they ask what went wrong
    When they turn you on again
    They turn you on again.
    I remember running through the wet grass
    Falling a step behind
    Both of us never tiring
    Desperately wanting
    Kick them right in the face
    Make them wish they weren't born
    And if they bring up your name
    Well they'll say you won the war.
    Baby burst in the world
    Never given a chance
    Then they ask what went wrong
    When you never had it right
    Oh, the letters have dropped off
    Though they say you got them all
    I finally figured out some things you'll never know.
    Take back your life and let me inside
    We'll find the door if you care to anymore.
    I remember running through the wet grass
    Falling a step behind
    Both of us never tiring
    Desperately wanting


    Old Man - Red Light Kings
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGt54Ozo8LQ

    Snowflakes - Just Jack
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxBzMH6VAW4

    Down The Line - Jose Gonzalez
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZuC6y4eUo0

    Karma Police - Radiohead
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYWYWPc9HU

    One Headlight - Jacob Dylan
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzyfcys1aLM

    Are You Gonna Go My Way - Lenny Kravitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LhCd1W2V0Q

    Wonderwall - Oasis
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hzrDeceEKc

    Number Nine... Number Nine... Number Nine... https://youtu.be/t3217H8JppI?t=28m14s

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, November 18, 2017 00:59:40
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    These are the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke and which
    Didymos Judas Thomas wrote down.

    (1) And he said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings
    will not experience death."

    (5) Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which is
    hidden from you will become plain to you . For there is nothing hidden which will not become manifest."


    (8) And he said, "The man is like a wise fisherman who cast his net
    into the sea and drew it up from the sea full of small fish. Among them the wise fisherman found a fine large fish. He threw all the small fish back into the sea and chose
    the large fish without difficulty. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."


    (11) Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away. The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. In the days when you consumed what is dead, you made it what is alive. When you come to dwell in the light,
    what will you do? On the day when you were one you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"


    (15) Jesus said, "When you see one who was not born of woman, prostrate yourselves on your faces and worship him. That one is your father."


    (18) The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us how our end will be."
    Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is
    he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death."

    (19) Jesus said, "Blessed is he who came into being before he came into being. If you become my disciples and listen to my words, these stones will minister to you. For there are five trees for you in Paradise which remain
    undisturbed summer
    and winter and whose leaves do not fall. Whoever becomes acquainted with them will not experience death."

    (20) The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us what the kingdom of heaven is like."
    He said to them, "It is like a mustard seed. It is the smallest of all seeds. But when it falls on tilled soil, it produces a great plant and becomes a shelter for birds of the sky."

    (21) Mary said to Jesus, "Whom are your disciples like?"
    He said, "They are like children who have settled in a field which is not theirs. When the owners of the field come, they will say, 'Let us have back our field.' They (will) undress in their presence in order to let them have back their field
    and to give it back to them. Therefore I say, if the owner of a house knows that the thief is coming, he will begin his vigil before he comes and will not let him dig through into his house of his domain to carry away his goods. You, then, be on your
    guard against the world. Arm yourselves with great strength lest the robbers find a way to come to you, for the difficulty which you expect will (surely) materialize. Let there be among you a man of understanding. When the grain ripened, he came quickly
    with his sickle in his hand and reaped it. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."


    ---------------------------------------------------------

    (30) Jesus said, "Where there are three gods,
    they are gods. Where there are two or one, I am with him."

    ...
    ..
    ...
    .
    ...
    \\\
    ---------------- . . . ... .. ... . ... ... -----------


    (51) His disciples said to him, "When will the repose of the dead come about, and when will the new world come?"
    He said to them, "What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it."

    (56) Jesus said, "Whoever has come to understand the world has found (only) a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world."

    (61) Jesus said, "Two will rest on a bed: the one will die, and the
    other will live."

    (62) Jesus said, "It is to those who are worthy of my mysteries that I tell my mysteries. Do not let your left (hand) know what your right (hand) is doing."

    (66) Jesus said, "Show me the stone which the builders have rejected. That one is the cornerstone."


    (69) Jesus said, "Blessed are they who have been persecuted within themselves. It is they who have truly come to know the father. Blessed are the hungry, for the belly of him who desires will be filled."

    (75) Jesus said, "Many are standing at the door, but it is the solitary who will enter the bridal chamber."

    (76) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the father is like a merchant who had a consignment of merchandise and who discovered a pearl. That merchant was shrewd. He sold the merchandise and bought the pearl alone for himself. You too, seek his
    unfailing and enduring treasure where no moth comes near to devour and no worm destroys."

    Eight Miles High - The Byrds
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoSwOrytf_M

    Stuck In The Middle - Stealers Wheel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q

    Levon - Elton (Mr Eight's Theme song) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mire1WJKdR8

    ...

    ???

    Happy?

    :-) :-) :-)

    [][][]

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to Jeremy H. Denisovan on Saturday, November 18, 2017 00:05:28
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 8:25:12 PM UTC-5, Jeremy H. Denisovan wrote:
    On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 12:17:08 PM UTC-8, LowRider44M wrote:
    On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:20:47 PM UTC-5, thang ornerythinchus
    wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 21:07:14 -0800 (PST), LowRider44M <intraphase@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 8:19:51 PM UTC-5, thang
    ornerythinchus wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 04:47:45 -0800 (PST), LowRider44M
    <> wrote:



    Once there was a witness to great battle,a final stand, The Warrior
    was
    defeated,as he went to his death the Warrior who witnessed the battle
    and
    was sworn not to interfere looked at the Truth Warrior pleading to be
    allowed
    to assist in Battle or be allowed to die also,but each time the Truth
    Warrior
    nodded emphatically "No' . As the Warriors fire was extinguished the
    witness
    observed the phenomenoms of passage of a Truth Warrior and learned
    great
    lessons on the structures and flow of the usually impercievable. As
    the
    Truth Warrior was extinguished he looked to the witness and said :
    "We shall
    meet again" . Even with the amazing visions the witness walked away
    from
    the battle broken hearted and forlorn with thoughts of his own
    cowardice
    which were undeserved self punishments and foolishness because his
    promise
    had been not to interfere and he had honored his own oaths.



    Remembering his oaths and then the great phenomenoms percieved, the

    witness began to grow light of heart. It was then the Truth Warrior >> >appeared for a few brief seconds and nodded approval two times.
    Bowing for
    the final time with the simple two words "Thank You" .



    As the endless battles of the future were presented and won. The
    Warrior
    remembered the amazing phenomenoms of the Truth Warriors exit and the

    humble nods and final bow that allowed him to place the amazing
    beside the
    mundane,the ordinary beside the extrordinary. Throughout countless
    battles
    the glow of memory stood as silent re-assurance of the wonderful
    folly of
    it all.



    Moral of the Story: Even in death a True Warrior is Flawless.

    It's a piece of prose I wrote when Carlos died.
    I knew he was a profoundly flawed person but his artistic quest was
    admirable.
    Twice after he died I had significant memorable dreams with him as a
    person
    interacting discussing the fundamentals of unseen structure.

    Well written. You're an obscure sort of bloke but occasionally you
    come out with this sort of thing which makes your appearances here welcome.


    Faulty thinking - it's *only* in death that anyone is as close to
    perfection as is possible to become.

    I think bodies are like black holes that dissipates.
    I think information becomes self editing as consciousness.

    According to modern science information is everything and information
    is never lost. Even black holes simply withhold information, it is
    never destroyed.

    This idea; "information is everything and information is never lost."

    If I didn't try to contemplate that 10-150 times a day I would get
    lost and go mathematically insane. My dilemma is that by engaging
    in math and physics, sometimes the answer-or structure would appear
    before I designed the question or array of formulas.

    To a small cadre of intelligence researchers I am a "notorious" person. About 10% believe I am an evil sinister being blockading their access to the quantum realm far below the Planck limit. The other 90% believe I am
    an honest person who has disclosed every finding, formulation, and pieces of structure the q-realm has demonstrated to me.

    Long distance transportation and communications is facilitated by the
    q-realm.
    Where everything is treated as information-equations. To select two
    equations and then choose two similar sequences from each equation and juxtapose them
    is as simple as you unwrapping two loafs of honey wheat bread and placing
    each on its own plate, crossing your arms you select a slice from each loaf and
    transfer it to the other loaf,then re wrap each loaf in its bag (Parenthesis).

    That applies to similar information sequences can be removed and spliced
    into
    each other's quantum equation. The ability to move vast piles of men and
    material is already present using this splicing method.

    The downside is q-realm won't allow (weaponization)as a piece of a star transferred with a piece of a planet. The equations which shape a spherical nuclear triggering implosion were the equations to build q-engines of
    computation that could open sub-equation (universes)shared for transportation.
    A sort of organized system of wormholes.


    At the most basic levels known (and there's plenty of levels unknown) there is no "solidity" and really no structure,

    ABSOLUTE agreement there.

    just a probabilistic
    froth. At those levels of truth and reality all there is - is information.


    That is the outer product, in every point there is:

    Computational Realm
    Information Realm
    Compact Lattice - clear diamond filter properties - dark energy - Lightmach
    73
    Diffuse Lattice - black diamond filter properties - dark matter - Lightmach
    23

    All four above far below Planck limit

    There are no experimental results showing anything at all
    'below' the Planck length. Indeed, there's no conclusively
    proven physical significance at all to the Planck length itself.

    It's a model approaching the inward infinity to genuine sizeless objects.
    A self referencing system of basic information the crosses the very
    lattices it produces and the disposes of behind itself.
    Think a train laying 100 feet of track as a bow wave, organizing chaos
    into ordered fabric which dissapate shortly after they are traversed.


    So, this has to be something you just somehow "see" or "intuit"?
    Yet it couldn't possibly all merely be some beautiful imaginary
    world in your own mind? (While one person here calls me grandiose...)

    Dude, if I told you about July-7 1979 at the grand canyon once
    I've told you two dozen times explicitly, besides being a point
    of reference for my poems, songs and story.
    For the second half of the transaction I had two friends as witnesses.
    Alone the sky turned black and a single distant light appeared.
    I thought it was a UFO and being the goofball I was started chatting it up.
    [] Point of light in pure black sky.
    "Whoa cool a UFO spotted on my first cross country trip and just finished
    a great joint of awesome smoke. Out loud "Hay UFO dudes do you guys got
    those mental tractor beam gizmos for chatting?"
    [] Point of light in pure black sky, gets much larger and closer.
    Feeling the first tinge of fear "Well I have some good dope and there's
    a parking lot up the hill where you could park that thing while we smoke
    the peace pipe and check out your maps for wrong turns.
    [] Point of light in pure black sky, accelerates straight at me and stops.
    I turn to escape rising from a sitting position, with left arm around tree
    and feet dangling over cliff and the canyon floor 2000 feet below.
    I freeze in mid air suspended like the cliche of a chalk outline drawn
    on the street after a murder. I am in no time and perceive I am frozen
    in clear glass, when released after only a second of human time and a sensation of being trapped for trillions of years I am "dumbstruck"
    I stumble up the hill back to the overlook. I only get thirty feet.
    My friends have a weird sensation (panic & euphoria)in the truck and come looking for me.

    So far three minutes has elapsed since I finished smoking.
    It is an event similar to two computers engaging in a handshake.
    I am struggling to speak my friends are concerned, I walk towards a flat
    space 5-10 feet from the edge and point to the pure black sky, "look just look."

    For some reason unknown we end up arms locked together three abreast.
    I am in the middle a friend to either side and the transaction opens.
    Three spheres approximately 10 miles in diameter apiece, and spaced apart
    by ten miles appear. They are deflecting this universe, receiving information shipping it 180 degrees at exact speed and maintain this universes' continuity but not allowing this universe to pass through. If this universe is a distinct equation, these three spheres are also three distinct unique equations.

    I realize years later the first half of transaction was a handshake request.

    As these vast hidden black presences appear covered in a white buttery light
    of relayed information, I withdrew my arms from my friends arms and stared
    at them: they were dumbstruck and unable to move, there are remained in position. I experience the human sensation of rapture and think "They see it."

    The engines are now waiting for me to calm down and slowly gently pulsing
    at different rates very subtly. My friends are there staring transfixed and remembering the stuck in a diamond feeling of the handshake transaction I start giggling looking at my two frozen friends I say to each "I am not crazy" twice to each one. I look at the engines and think "I'm ready."

    They recorded the entire history of this construct and every identity
    pattern for safe keeping then arranged my birth in 1959.
    At this point I know I am them and they are me and this is the toll I have
    to pay to enter a civilization without long range transportation and communications functions and services. But I soon begin to enter denial.
    I want more sex drugs and rock and roll, I'm not ready for total freedom yet.

    The engine on the left disappears for 60 seconds to record the fabrics.
    When it returns the engine in the middle synchronizes with it and they both disappear for sixty seconds. They both reappear still in synch and slow
    their oscillation rate to synch with the third engine which came and stayed
    as the reference point. Once synched to a slow rate all three project a line
    at the 10:30 position three times longer than spheres, they are briefly a 3D-2D-1D triple object intersecting this universe, then they disappear melding back into the computational and information realm, the stars return slowly
    as the black graininess recedes point by point.

    Suddenly my friends can move. They don't know they were immobilized for over six minutes. Still to this day they have never asked me what happened before they showed up to panic them, or that they were absent for six minutes.
    One friend deals with it well, the other never recovers and has great hidden fears of the event shared years later with someone not at canyon event.

    As time goes by I conjure up 1000 of possible explanations.
    In the end I accept what happened and eventually the engines show up
    twenty five years later minus all the pomp and ceremony to try to
    clue me into how to write the infinite recursive switch mechanism
    so that level five and six repeat infinitely juxtaposing commands:
    Barrier Platform Abridgement (Inward Infinity Format) Vs Junction Transit Intersect (Outward Infinity Format) Intersect=A Day Transit=Connected Days Junction=All Days Connected in circulating rhythums perceived as a small
    white ship to store each book of life, a raw transit is the smallest storable record of a human life.

    The big bang happened once, my engines got in my face twice, very discreetly, very politely, with caution, prudence and absolute command of themselves.
    It took a long time to understand.
    Previously when I have told you this story you said, paraphrasing;
    "Well it is admirable you would go on a lifetime quest to solve that riddle." Hence my complete belief in your red light in the forest story and curiosity.




    Then the fifth physically explorable level of bubbling froth 3% radiation
    1% coherent matter with duration scales.

    Froth? Usually it's called "foam", if that's the reference. :)
    And that too is still a speculative conceptual extension of
    how 'quantum gravity' may relate to general relativity,
    which is also far from being conclusively verified.

    Yet once again, you seem completely sure about it.


    I'm old, I've come to peace with this world and its lack of consensus.


    Above is a model and approximation only, it only makes sense if EVERYTHING is viewed as INFORMATION.

    Early in the movie The Matrix, Morpheus is schooling Neo on the idea
    of the matrix(froth's circular formulas-Universe's Parameters) verses
    The Construct as underlying fundamental structured conflict between infinite information struggling both with and against eternal-everlasting
    information properties and functions.

    At 1:35 he goes off script: the construct is the loading program. The
    basics.
    All versions of the matrix - universe are "froth" inherently unstable.

    Morpheus and Neo in The Construct https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm-nf1FZsWY

    Neo's oldest self buried in a quasi (semi-coded) version of The Construct. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHZl2naX1Xk

    He never escapes. To enter The Construct and survive is to follow
    its basic form: "Three Is The Smallest Math Jury"
    Instead of Child, Adult, Eternal Rhythum Formulas (so called A.I.);
    There is in this movie.
    Elder - Architect - White
    Adult - Neo - Black
    Child - Sati - Yellow (Burning Widow = Info Froth World - point level-5)

    A recipe for a hung math jury.
    Insert the wrong splice of information https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkkHoM6E00c

    Sati = Sati or suttee[note 1] is an obsolete funeral custom where a widow
    immolates herself on her husband's pyre or commits suicide in another fashion shortly after her husband's death.[2][3][4]


    [continued in next message]

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  • From Jeremy H. Donovan@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, November 22, 2017 10:22:53
    From: jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com

    On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 12:59:41 AM UTC-8, LowRider44M wrote:
    These are the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke and which Didymos
    Judas Thomas wrote down.

    (1) And he said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these
    sayings will not experience death."

    Category: favorite human illusions. Secrets for escaping death.
    Always bound to be true... :)


    (5) Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which
    is hidden from you will become plain to you . For there is nothing hidden which
    will not become manifest."


    (8) And he said, "The man is like a wise fisherman who cast his
    net into the sea and drew it up from the sea full of small fish. Among them the
    wise fisherman found a fine large fish. He threw all the small fish back into the sea and chose
    the large fish without difficulty. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."

    We fished a lot when I was growing up. The best fish for eating
    were the humbly named 'Crappie', also smallest of the fresh water
    game fish. They had the most delicate, delectable flesh. The largest
    fish were often tougher and too 'fishy' tasting.


    (11) Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above
    it will pass away.

    In those times they believed in several different 'levels of heaven'.
    Also in several 'levels of hell'. :)


    The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. In the days when you
    consumed what is dead, you made it what is alive. When you come to dwell in the
    light, what will you do? On the day when you were one you became two. But when you become two,
    what will you do?"

    (15) Jesus said, "When you see one who was not born of woman,
    prostrate yourselves on your faces and worship him. That one is your father."

    Myths of virgin birth were all the rage.

    * Isis and Horus
    * Hatshepsut and Amenhotep III (magically fathered by Amun)
    * Sarah in Genesis
    * Melchizedek in the 2nd book of Enoch
    * Zoraster (Zarathustra)
    * Helios (fathered by Zeus)
    * Mithra

    etc.


    (18) The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us how our end will be."
    Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you
    look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is
    he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death."

    (19) Jesus said, "Blessed is he who came into being before he
    came into being. If you become my disciples and listen to my words, these stones will minister to you. For there are five trees for you in Paradise which
    remain undisturbed
    summer and winter and whose leaves do not fall. Whoever becomes acquainted with
    them will not experience death."

    (20) The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us what the kingdom of
    heaven is like."
    He said to them, "It is like a mustard seed. It is the smallest
    of all seeds. But when it falls on tilled soil, it produces a great plant and becomes a shelter for birds of the sky."

    (21) Mary said to Jesus, "Whom are your disciples like?"
    He said, "They are like children who have settled in a field
    which is not theirs. When the owners of the field come, they will say, 'Let us have back our field.' They (will) undress in their presence in order to let them have back their
    field and to give it back to them. Therefore I say, if the owner of a house knows that the thief is coming, he will begin his vigil before he comes and will not let him dig through into his house of his domain to carry away his goods. You, then, be on
    your guard against the world. Arm yourselves with great strength lest the robbers find a way to come to you, for the difficulty which you expect will (surely) materialize. Let there be among you a man of understanding. When the grain ripened, he came
    quickly with his sickle in his hand and reaped it. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."


    ---------------------------------------------------------

    (30) Jesus said, "Where there are three gods,
    they are gods. Where there are two or one, I am with him."

    Rock on monotheism. Take that trinity down to one.
    It's simple math. If there are 3, then ... take your pick.
    But if there's only one, bingo, there is no alternative.


    ...
    ..
    ...
    .
    ...
    \\\
    ---------------- . . . ... .. ... . ... ... -----------


    (51) His disciples said to him, "When will the repose of the dead
    come about, and when will the new world come?"

    Are we there yet?


    He said to them, "What you look forward to has already come, but
    you do not recognize it."

    (56) Jesus said, "Whoever has come to understand the world has
    found (only) a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world."

    (61) Jesus said, "Two will rest on a bed: the one will die, and
    the other will live."

    They always want to kill off everyone else.


    (62) Jesus said, "It is to those who are worthy of my mysteries
    that I tell my mysteries. Do not let your left (hand) know what your right (hand) is doing."

    You assholes are all unworthy. Only my believers are worthy.
    (Kill the rest.)


    (66) Jesus said, "Show me the stone which the builders have
    rejected. That one is the cornerstone."


    (69) Jesus said, "Blessed are they who have been persecuted
    within themselves. It is they who have truly come to know the father. Blessed are the hungry, for the belly of him who desires will be filled."

    (75) Jesus said, "Many are standing at the door, but it is the
    solitary who will enter the bridal chamber."

    (76) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the father is like a merchant
    who had a consignment of merchandise and who discovered a pearl. That merchant was shrewd. He sold the merchandise and bought the pearl alone for himself. You
    too, seek his
    unfailing and enduring treasure where no moth comes near to devour and no worm destroys."

    Our kingdom is the best! Yay us!
    (Kill everyone else)


    Eight Miles High - The Byrds
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoSwOrytf_M

    Stuck In The Middle - Stealers Wheel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q

    Levon - Elton (Mr Eight's Theme song) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mire1WJKdR8

    ...

    ???

    Happy?

    Only those who know this entire piece of music will know why
    it is a fun response to the query "Happy?" :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW9kRl4x_wY

    The composer called this a study in contrasts. If you don't truly
    love music it may drive you insane. :) Once while driving 4 people
    to a Castaneda workshop in the Bay Area, one particularly stuffy, self-important dude among them literally begged me to turn this
    music off. He couldn't take the weirdness and was going bananas -
    somehow mortally offended by it. I tortured him out of curiosity
    for about 15 minutes before switching over to soothing classics
    that successfully pacified the snobby clueless tonedeaf putz. :)

    I find this piece nearly divinely creative, yet also bullshit too,
    like many great artistic creations. I made my mother a tape of it
    as a gift the year before she died. Because it's "about endings". ;)


    :-) :-) :-)

    [][][]

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  • From Jeremy H. Donovan@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, November 22, 2017 09:19:29
    From: jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com

    On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 12:05:29 AM UTC-8, LowRider44M wrote:

    ...in every point there is:

    Computational Realm
    Information Realm
    Compact Lattice - clear diamond filter properties - dark energy -
    Lightmach 73
    Diffuse Lattice - black diamond filter properties - dark matter -
    Lightmach 23

    All four above far below Planck limit

    There are no experimental results showing anything at all
    'below' the Planck length. Indeed, there's no conclusively
    proven physical significance at all to the Planck length itself.

    It's a model approaching the inward infinity to genuine sizeless objects.

    To me, "sizeless object" is an incomprehensible phrase. But I realize physicists have been known to use similar ideas.

    In string theory (a not completely verified theory) the length
    of strings is assumed to be on the order of the Planck length,
    On much larger length scales, such anything visible in physics
    laboratories, such objects would be indistinguishable from
    zero-dimensional point particles.

    But again, no popular theory I know of even theorizes regarding
    anything 'below' this level.


    A self referencing system of basic information the crosses the very
    lattices it produces and the disposes of behind itself.
    Think a train laying 100 feet of track as a bow wave, organizing chaos
    into ordered fabric which dissapate shortly after they are traversed.

    An interesting metaphor.


    So, this has to be something you just somehow "see" or "intuit"?
    Yet it couldn't possibly all merely be some beautiful imaginary
    world in your own mind? (While one person here calls me grandiose...)

    Dude, if I told you about July-7 1979 at the grand canyon once
    I've told you two dozen times explicitly, besides being a point
    of reference for my poems, songs and story.

    I know. And I believe this may be your most detailed telling of it yet.


    For the second half of the transaction I had two friends as witnesses.
    Alone the sky turned black and a single distant light appeared.
    I thought it was a UFO and being the goofball I was started chatting it up. [] Point of light in pure black sky.
    "Whoa cool a UFO spotted on my first cross country trip and just finished
    a great joint of awesome smoke. Out loud "Hay UFO dudes do you guys got
    those mental tractor beam gizmos for chatting?"
    [] Point of light in pure black sky, gets much larger and closer.
    Feeling the first tinge of fear "Well I have some good dope and there's
    a parking lot up the hill where you could park that thing while we smoke
    the peace pipe and check out your maps for wrong turns.

    You were high. And alone, and mentally 'oriented' toward 'seeing UFOs'.

    The last time my partner Vicki and I camped out - in the Sierras,
    near Mt. Whitney - we got high and saw UFOs. Weird shit. The key word
    is in the acronym is: "unidentified". It could also be: "unexplained".
    Shrug.


    [] Point of light in pure black sky, accelerates straight at me and stops.
    I turn to escape rising from a sitting position, with left arm around tree and feet dangling over cliff and the canyon floor 2000 feet below.
    I freeze in mid air suspended like the cliche of a chalk outline drawn
    on the street after a murder. I am in no time and perceive I am frozen
    in clear glass, when released after only a second of human time and a sensation of being trapped for trillions of years I am "dumbstruck"

    Extreme fear reactions can make time seem to stop. I've experienced
    that sensation a few times, often also while really high.
    Once in car wreck.


    I stumble up the hill back to the overlook. I only get thirty feet.
    My friends have a weird sensation (panic & euphoria)in the truck and come
    looking for me.

    So far three minutes has elapsed since I finished smoking.
    It is an event similar to two computers engaging in a handshake.
    I am struggling to speak my friends are concerned, I walk towards a flat space 5-10 feet from the edge and point to the pure black sky, "look just
    look."

    So... where did the light go? I hear nothing to indicate either
    of your friends even saw the same light (or spheres) you did.


    For some reason unknown we end up arms locked together three abreast.
    I am in the middle a friend to either side and the transaction opens.
    Three spheres approximately 10 miles in diameter apiece, and spaced apart
    by ten miles appear. They are deflecting this universe, receiving information shipping it 180 degrees at exact speed and maintain this universes'
    continuity
    but not allowing this universe to pass through. If this universe is a
    distinct
    equation, these three spheres are also three distinct unique equations.

    I realize years later the first half of transaction was a handshake request.

    As these vast hidden black presences appear covered in a white buttery light of relayed information

    You began your account saying "the sky turned black". Somehow you seem
    to be seeing (even judging the size of) black spheres on a black sky.
    I was wondering how that would be possible until you added they were
    "covered in a white buttery light". A strange sight it would be.


    , I withdrew my arms from my friends arms and stared
    at them: they were dumbstruck and unable to move, there are remained in
    position. I experience the human sensation of rapture and think "They see it."

    And yet... it does not seem that you received any explicit confirmation
    that they saw anything like what you did? Or, if they did, that it
    meant anything like the same things to them.


    The engines are now waiting for me to calm down and slowly gently pulsing
    at different rates very subtly. My friends are there staring transfixed and remembering the stuck in a diamond feeling of the handshake transaction I
    start
    giggling looking at my two frozen friends I say to each "I am not crazy"
    twice
    to each one. I look at the engines and think "I'm ready."

    Again your friends say nothing, and do not indicate seeing anything.
    It may have been your idea that they were "frozen" like you, when
    they may have just been standing there in the dark staring out into
    a night sky.


    They recorded the entire history of this construct and every identity
    pattern for safe keeping then arranged my birth in 1959.

    In 1979, it was arranged... essentially by you, to be born in 1959.
    In effect, time travel to the past. Another really hard one to believe.
    And "arranging a birth" seems to imply it has little to do with two
    parents fucking. How does that work? Or should I ask the Scientologists? (sarcasm)


    At this point I know I am them and they are me and this is the toll I have
    to pay to enter a civilization without long range transportation and
    communications functions and services.

    If you are them and they are you, maybe your two friends saw nothing
    (or saw different strange things based on how high they were and how
    much you were freaking them out by acting freaky).


    But I soon begin to enter denial.

    Perhaps you began naturally questioning all of your own strange
    assumptions and interpretations. Who knows, that may even have been
    a good thing, I don't know enough about your actual life to say.


    I want more sex drugs and rock and roll, I'm not ready for total freedom yet.

    I don't think anyone is ready for it. (Since I don't think
    any such human state as "total freedom" exists.)


    The engine on the left disappears for 60 seconds to record the fabrics.

    A person might ask: how could you know what it was doing when it
    disappeared? The answer might be: "you are them and they are you".
    This might also translate to: the whole thing's in YOUR head.


    When it returns the engine in the middle synchronizes with it and they both disappear for sixty seconds. They both reappear still in synch and slow
    their oscillation rate to synch with the third engine which came and stayed as the reference point. Once synched to a slow rate all three project a line at the 10:30 position three times longer than spheres, they are briefly a 3D-2D-1D triple object intersecting this universe, then they disappear
    melding
    back into the computational and information realm, the stars return slowly
    as the black graininess recedes point by point.

    Now see, if I'd seen anything like that, I wouldn't have had the
    slightest idea wtf it was. But you realize they are "synchronizing",
    and that it is coming from some "computational and information realm".
    This too makes me wonder if you're concocting the whole thing
    in your own mind, as marvelous as it seems.


    Suddenly my friends can move. They don't know they were immobilized for over six minutes. Still to this day they have never asked me what happened before they showed up to panic them, or that they were absent for six minutes.

    They may have had an entirely different experience, and might not
    confirm a single thing you say. It may only have seemed to you that
    they were 'immobilized', as you were tripping and creating the scenario.


    One friend deals with it well, the other never recovers and has great hidden fears of the event shared years later with someone not at canyon event.

    What does "deals with it well" mean?

    Exactly what was shared by the one who "never recovers" could have
    been revealing. Maybe something weird did seem to happen then,
    but their interpretation may be entirely different.


    As time goes by I conjure up 1000 of possible explanations.

    That seems sane. If it happened to me, that's EXACTLY what
    I would have done.


    In the end I accept what happened

    In the end, you settled upon a particular interpretation
    and proceeded to assume/believe it was correct.

    But there is no objective way to verify it.


    and eventually the engines show up
    twenty five years later minus all the pomp and ceremony to try to
    clue me into how to write the infinite recursive switch mechanism
    so that level five and six repeat infinitely juxtaposing commands:
    Barrier Platform Abridgement (Inward Infinity Format) Vs Junction Transit
    Intersect (Outward Infinity Format) Intersect=A Day Transit=Connected Days
    Junction=All Days Connected in circulating rhythums perceived as a small white ship to store each book of life, a raw transit is the smallest storable record of a human life.

    Another possible interpretation: a relapse.

    An alternative interpretation is that by mysteriously "absorbing" two
    anomalous experiences you somehow conceptually learned the essence
    of what each human life IS, how to manipulate time, and how to "write"... whatever all that stuff above is in "inward infinity format"
    (which is beyond all the physicists on earth).

    Which possible interpretation seems most likely?


    The big bang happened once, my engines got in my face twice, very discreetly, very politely, with caution, prudence and absolute command of themselves.
    It took a long time to understand.

    For me, and for most, it would have been impossible to 'understand'.
    And that's kind of the ultimate point I come to consider...

    If it was in fact "all you", as you even suggest above, it makes sense.
    And yet it also casts extreme doubt on the likelihood of any of it
    being any kind of 'objective truth'.


    Previously when I have told you this story you said, paraphrasing;
    "Well it is admirable you would go on a lifetime quest to solve that riddle."

    If that is what you did, it's beyond admirable. I probably had no idea
    what to say. :) I still do not know what to say.


    Hence my complete belief in your red light in the forest story and curiosity.

    I had many strange experiences while very high on different drugs,
    but I was never truly certain what any of it really "meant", although
    at certain moments while very high I believed myself to be certain.
    Now I do not believe anyone could ever honestly be certain.
    Including you.


    Then the fifth physically explorable level of bubbling froth 3% radiation
    1% coherent matter with duration scales.

    Froth? Usually it's called "foam", if that's the reference. :)
    And that too is still a speculative conceptual extension of
    how 'quantum gravity' may relate to general relativity,
    which is also far from being conclusively verified.

    Yet once again, you seem completely sure about it.


    I'm old, I've come to peace with this world and its lack of consensus.

    Science IS about getting objective consensus.

    What would you do if somehow physicists discovered that the world
    is objectively completely different from how you believe it to be?


    Above is a model and approximation only, it only makes sense if
    EVERYTHING
    is viewed as INFORMATION.

    "So you're here to save the world. What do you say to something like that?" :)

    (A not exactly analogous quote from The Matrix. A more exact wording
    of my own pov might be: "So you know what the whole world is.
    What can I say to something like that?")


    Early in the movie The Matrix, Morpheus is schooling Neo on the idea
    of the matrix(froth's circular formulas-Universe's Parameters) verses The Construct as underlying fundamental structured conflict between infinite information struggling both with and against eternal-everlasting
    information properties and functions.

    At 1:35 he goes off script: the construct is the loading program. The
    basics. > > > All versions of the matrix - universe are "froth" inherently unstable.

    Morpheus and Neo in The Construct https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm-nf1FZsWY

    Neo's oldest self buried in a quasi (semi-coded) version of The
    Construct.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHZl2naX1Xk

    He never escapes. To enter The Construct and survive is to follow
    its basic form: "Three Is The Smallest Math Jury"
    Instead of Child, Adult, Eternal Rhythum Formulas (so called A.I.);
    There is in this movie.
    Elder - Architect - White
    Adult - Neo - Black
    Child - Sati - Yellow (Burning Widow = Info Froth World - point level-5)

    I had a dream the other night where the 'young adult version' of you
    (perhaps) came to a party I attended and walked in carrying a rifle,
    intending to shoot me. In the dream, I carefully talked him out of it.

    My mind makes up interpretations of what it hears too. :)

    Recent news about the physical brain shows that it models concepts
    in up to 11 dimensions mathematically. If consciousness really is
    that complex, it may take quite some time yet to fully model all

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com on Thursday, November 23, 2017 10:17:07
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:22:53 -0800 (PST), "Jeremy H. Donovan" <jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 12:59:41 AM UTC-8, LowRider44M wrote:
    These are the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke and which Didymos Judas Thomas wrote down.

    (1) And he said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death."

    Category: favorite human illusions. Secrets for escaping death.
    Always bound to be true... :)

    To be fair, I think in this context "death" relates to the soul, not
    the physical body - it means that the soul can live forever by the
    grace of God. I tend to believe (a) we do have a soul which is
    unquantifiable and undiscoverable, but your inner self tells you it
    exists; (b) this doesn't mean it, the soul, transcends physical death.
    It may well be the soul dies when the body dies, who knows?

    There is no religion I know of which says that the physical body "will
    not experience death". It's quite clear that a rotting, decaying body
    cannot be resurrected.



    (5) Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which
    is hidden from you will become plain to you . For there is nothing hidden which
    will not become manifest."


    (8) And he said, "The man is like a wise fisherman who cast his net into the sea and drew it up from the sea full of small fish. Among them the
    wise fisherman found a fine large fish. He threw all the small fish back into the sea and chose
    the large fish without difficulty. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."

    We fished a lot when I was growing up. The best fish for eating
    were the humbly named 'Crappie', also smallest of the fresh water
    game fish. They had the most delicate, delectable flesh. The largest
    fish were often tougher and too 'fishy' tasting.

    And no one gives a shit. This is a parable Dave. You're being
    typically prosaic and ridiculously literal.

    When you got burnt by CC and the other sects in which you were once
    interested it appears your sense of wonder and mystery also got burnt
    out of you. And that's a shame.



    (11) Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away.

    In those times they believed in several different 'levels of heaven'.
    Also in several 'levels of hell'. :)

    A lot of people still do except nowdays more believe in a more
    metaphorical hell, a psychological hell, where each of us is read a
    roll call of all of our actions in life and, worst of all, the effect
    of all of those actions on others. No one is sentenced to eternity,
    after the life of each of us is accounted and the effects all of those
    actions had on others, loved and nameless alike, the soul goes on - to somewhere, or just sweet oblivion descends, the dreamless sleep of
    eternity.

    I'm saying this not because I believe but because many, many people
    have this updated view of what hell might be like.


    The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. In the days when you consumed what is dead, you made it what is alive. When you come to dwell in the
    light, what will you do? On the day when you were one you became two. But when you become two,
    what will you do?"

    (15) Jesus said, "When you see one who was not born of woman, prostrate yourselves on your faces and worship him. That one is your father."

    Myths of virgin birth were all the rage.

    Probably another metaphor, a riddle, a parable even. Surely this was
    never originally meant to be taken literally.



    * Isis and Horus
    * Hatshepsut and Amenhotep III (magically fathered by Amun)
    * Sarah in Genesis
    * Melchizedek in the 2nd book of Enoch
    * Zoraster (Zarathustra)
    * Helios (fathered by Zeus)
    * Mithra

    etc.


    (18) The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us how our end will be." >> Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is
    he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death.
    "

    (19) Jesus said, "Blessed is he who came into being before he came into being. If you become my disciples and listen to my words, these stones will minister to you. For there are five trees for you in Paradise which
    remain undisturbed
    summer and winter and whose leaves do not fall. Whoever becomes acquainted with
    them will not experience death."

    (20) The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us what the kingdom of heaven is like."
    He said to them, "It is like a mustard seed. It is the smallest of all seeds. But when it falls on tilled soil, it produces a great plant and becomes a shelter for birds of the sky."

    (21) Mary said to Jesus, "Whom are your disciples like?"
    He said, "They are like children who have settled in a field which is not theirs. When the owners of the field come, they will say, 'Let us have back our field.' They (will) undress in their presence in order to let them have back their
    field and to give it back to them. Therefore I say, if the owner of a house knows that the thief is coming, he will begin his vigil before he comes and will not let him dig through into his house of his domain to carry away his goods. You, then, be on
    your guard against the world. Arm yourselves with great strength lest the robbers find a way to come to you, for the difficulty which you expect will (surely) materialize. Let there be among you a man of understanding. When the grain ripened, he came
    quickly with his sickle in his hand and reaped it. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."


    ---------------------------------------------------------

    (30) Jesus said, "Where there are three gods,
    they are gods. Where there are two or one, I am with him."

    Rock on monotheism. Take that trinity down to one.
    It's simple math. If there are 3, then ... take your pick.
    But if there's only one, bingo, there is no alternative.

    What are you trying to say?



    ...
    ..
    ...
    .
    ...
    \\\
    ---------------- . . . ... .. ... . ... ... -----------


    (51) His disciples said to him, "When will the repose of the dead come about, and when will the new world come?"

    Are we there yet?


    He said to them, "What you look forward to has already come, but
    you do not recognize it."

    According to this, we always have been there.

    (56) Jesus said, "Whoever has come to understand the world has found (only) a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world."

    I understand this implicitly. It's actually very clever, as one would
    expect for something which has been re-written to perfection over
    thousands of years. It means that the entire earth, the world, the
    cosmos, is the physical world which ultimately is doomed to death and
    which lies within death - even Mount Everest will be worn down over
    the next 100 million years or so. But, if you have "found a corpse" (discovered the impermanence of nature) then you are superior to the
    world in that you are very much in the minority. You have then
    discovered spirit and soul and the permanence of the underlying basis
    of nature, the fact that even now we don't know with certainty that
    protons will decay - or that electrons and photons are not eternal.

    Mind you, Dave, I'm not saying I ascribe to any of the above. I'm
    just saying, you shouldn't be so literal, it hampers your perception
    and potentially your full enjoyment of whatever remains of your life.


    (61) Jesus said, "Two will rest on a bed: the one will die, and the other will live."

    They always want to kill off everyone else.

    Silly comment. It's a metaphor.


    (62) Jesus said, "It is to those who are worthy of my mysteries that I tell my mysteries. Do not let your left (hand) know what your right (hand) is doing."

    You assholes are all unworthy. Only my believers are worthy.
    (Kill the rest.)

    I think the emphasis here should be on Jesus' use of the word
    "mysteries". This is some deep stuff, profound, and your silly
    comments are not worthy of you.



    (66) Jesus said, "Show me the stone which the builders have rejected. That one is the cornerstone."


    (69) Jesus said, "Blessed are they who have been persecuted within themselves. It is they who have truly come to know the father. Blessed are the hungry, for the belly of him who desires will be filled."

    (75) Jesus said, "Many are standing at the door, but it is the solitary who will enter the bridal chamber."

    (76) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the father is like a merchant who had a consignment of merchandise and who discovered a pearl. That merchant was shrewd. He sold the merchandise and bought the pearl alone for himself. You
    too, seek his
    unfailing and enduring treasure where no moth comes near to devour and no worm destroys."

    Our kingdom is the best! Yay us!
    (Kill everyone else)

    That would be the bit about the interpretation of holy scriptures in Christianity. The bit of interpretation by people about people when
    life spans were considered lengthy by age 40 and individual lives were
    of low worth, before human rights and constitutions.

    You can interpret anything in any way whatsoever. Doesn't
    retrospectively affect the sentiments expressed in the text however.
    There's a lot less killing and so on in the New Testament than in the
    old re-writes of the Epic of Gilgamesh and so on.



    Eight Miles High - The Byrds
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoSwOrytf_M

    Stuck In The Middle - Stealers Wheel
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q

    Levon - Elton (Mr Eight's Theme song)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mire1WJKdR8

    ...

    ???

    Happy?

    Only those who know this entire piece of music will know why
    it is a fun response to the query "Happy?" :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW9kRl4x_wY

    The composer called this a study in contrasts. If you don't truly
    love music it may drive you insane. :) Once while driving 4 people
    to a Castaneda workshop in the Bay Area, one particularly stuffy, >self-important dude among them literally begged me to turn this
    music off. He couldn't take the weirdness and was going bananas -
    somehow mortally offended by it. I tortured him out of curiosity
    for about 15 minutes before switching over to soothing classics
    that successfully pacified the snobby clueless tonedeaf putz. :)

    I find this piece nearly divinely creative, yet also bullshit too,
    like many great artistic creations. I made my mother a tape of it
    as a gift the year before she died. Because it's "about endings". ;)


    :-) :-) :-)

    [][][]

    Don't like it much, too disjointed, doesn't really flow and Oldfield
    has never been one of my favourites. That's my personal taste of
    course similar to the personal taste of the person you chopped down as
    "stuffy, self important". Maybe, just maybe, that was because he
    didn't enjoy your personal taste in music. I would think it pompous
    of you to think that everyone has similar taste in music - they don't.

    Here's a task to myself. I'll post two works/songs right now which I
    will strive to ensure not only reflect my personal taste but will
    appeal to the benighted denizens of this place :)


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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, November 23, 2017 10:09:46
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    I thought I'd made it clear. Don't talk to me. Do you really
    not have anything better to do in life than starting arguments
    with someone who wants nothing to do with you? If so, that's
    remarkably sad. I think you are a tasteless, argumentative,
    arrogant, presumptuous ass. Start arguments with someone else. :)

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  • From Angel Love@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, November 23, 2017 22:28:44
    From: robert_smrdelj@gmx.de

    Am 23.11.2017 um 19:09 schrieb Jeremy H. Denisovan:
    I thought I'd made it clear. Don't talk to me. Do you really
    not have anything better to do in life than starting arguments
    with someone who wants nothing to do with you? If so, that's
    remarkably sad. I think you are a tasteless, argumentative,
    arrogant, presumptuous ass. Start arguments with someone else. :)



    Why are you so angry at him? Let's all be friends again!

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Friday, November 24, 2017 07:21:09
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 22:28:44 +0100, Angel Love <robert_smrdelj@gmx.de>
    wrote:

    Am 23.11.2017 um 19:09 schrieb Jeremy H. Denisovan:
    I thought I'd made it clear. Don't talk to me. Do you really
    not have anything better to do in life than starting arguments
    with someone who wants nothing to do with you? If so, that's
    remarkably sad. I think you are a tasteless, argumentative,
    arrogant, presumptuous ass. Start arguments with someone else. :)



    Why are you so angry at him? Let's all be friends again!

    Lol!

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Friday, November 24, 2017 07:26:59
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 10:09:46 -0800 (PST), "Jeremy H. Denisovan" <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    I thought I'd made it clear. Don't talk to me. Do you really
    not have anything better to do in life than starting arguments
    with someone who wants nothing to do with you? If so, that's
    remarkably sad. I think you are a tasteless, argumentative,
    arrogant, presumptuous ass. Start arguments with someone else. :)

    I must have hit a nerve. Truth has a sting to it sometimes... :)




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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to thang ornerythinchus on Friday, November 24, 2017 12:03:09
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Thursday, November 23, 2017 at 3:27:03 PM UTC-8, thang ornerythinchus wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 10:09:46 -0800 (PST), "Jeremy H. Denisovan"
    wrote:

    I thought I'd made it clear. Don't talk to me. Do you really
    not have anything better to do in life than starting arguments
    with someone who wants nothing to do with you? If so, that's
    remarkably sad. I think you are a tasteless, argumentative,
    arrogant, presumptuous ass. Start arguments with someone else. :)

    I must have hit a nerve. Truth has a sting to it sometimes... :)

    Endless petty bickering isn't 'truth'. Waste someone else's time, not mine.

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  • From Angel Love@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, November 26, 2017 18:52:17
    From: robert_smrdelj@gmx.de

    Am 24.11.2017 um 00:21 schrieb thang ornerythinchus:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 22:28:44 +0100, Angel Love <robert_smrdelj@gmx.de>
    wrote:

    Am 23.11.2017 um 19:09 schrieb Jeremy H. Denisovan:
    I thought I'd made it clear. Don't talk to me. Do you really
    not have anything better to do in life than starting arguments
    with someone who wants nothing to do with you? If so, that's
    remarkably sad. I think you are a tasteless, argumentative,
    arrogant, presumptuous ass. Start arguments with someone else. :)



    Why are you so angry at him? Let's all be friends again!

    Lol!

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    I mean that! I am a hippy!

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Monday, November 27, 2017 09:23:48
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 18:52:17 +0100, Angel Love <robert_smrdelj@gmx.de>
    wrote:

    Am 24.11.2017 um 00:21 schrieb thang ornerythinchus:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 22:28:44 +0100, Angel Love <robert_smrdelj@gmx.de>
    wrote:

    Am 23.11.2017 um 19:09 schrieb Jeremy H. Denisovan:
    I thought I'd made it clear. Don't talk to me. Do you really
    not have anything better to do in life than starting arguments
    with someone who wants nothing to do with you? If so, that's
    remarkably sad. I think you are a tasteless, argumentative,
    arrogant, presumptuous ass. Start arguments with someone else. :)



    Why are you so angry at him? Let's all be friends again!

    Lol!

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    I mean that! I am a hippy!

    Yeah, I used to be but dealing with people all these years has burnt
    the hippy out of me. Good on ya, anyhow.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to thangolossus@gmail.com on Tuesday, November 28, 2017 01:27:41
    From: slider@nanashram.com

    On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 23:26:59 -0000, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 10:09:46 -0800 (PST), "Jeremy H. Denisovan" <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    I thought I'd made it clear. Don't talk to me. Do you really
    not have anything better to do in life than starting arguments
    with someone who wants nothing to do with you? If so, that's
    remarkably sad. I think you are a tasteless, argumentative,
    arrogant, presumptuous ass. Start arguments with someone else. :)

    I must have hit a nerve. Truth has a sting to it sometimes... :)

    ### - heh you didn't hit a nerve so much as *actually questioned* his veracity/integrity??

    you've questioned things he doesn't WANT questioned!

    and perforce you were then: summarily dismissed! hah! :)))

    (he's not HERE for 'conversation' thang, never was! something i've proven
    over & over again! he's literally just remained here to 'preach' his
    fucking sermon of hate & hatred! - his bs re: 'lauding science' isn't at
    ALL genuine! as is neither anything else he says! him 'hiding' behind a 'facade' of rationality only! scratch the surface and there's a seething
    creep underneath! - you 'questioned' him at all; and now 'suddenly' he
    doesn't wanna talk to ya anymore because you're not worth it?? duh...)

    lol @ what a prick he IS! i've been picking holes in him for 'years' and
    you can certainly see how he treats me! lol :)))

    and it's NOT even like he doesn't understand what am saying/suggesting
    ever, nor the prosaic way i maybe say it like you sometimes complain
    about; it's precisely 'because' he understands it that he can't AFFORD to converse lest all his shit becomes easily/quickly revealed!

    iow: don't waste YOUR time on HIM! (he typically accuses others of what HE himself does?!)

    thus HE'S the real time-waster here, not you!

    so just laff in the disingenuous fuckers face every time like i do heh,
    you'll soon see all his shit piling up that he then totally + conveniently denies, while blaming 'others' of what he's doing!? lol...

    it's actually quite pathetic :D

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Tuesday, November 28, 2017 01:31:31
    From: slider@nanashram.com

    On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 20:03:09 -0000, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, November 23, 2017 at 3:27:03 PM UTC-8, thang ornerythinchus wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 10:09:46 -0800 (PST), "Jeremy H. Denisovan"
    wrote:

    I thought I'd made it clear. Don't talk to me. Do you really
    not have anything better to do in life than starting arguments
    with someone who wants nothing to do with you? If so, that's
    remarkably sad. I think you are a tasteless, argumentative,
    arrogant, presumptuous ass. Start arguments with someone else. :)

    I must have hit a nerve. Truth has a sting to it sometimes... :)

    Endless petty bickering isn't 'truth'. Waste someone else's time, not
    mine.

    ### - you're the one who turns EVERYTHING into "bickering" jeremy!

    and quite deliberately so lest you have to occasionally be... honest!?

    LOL :D :D :D

    (thang unwrapped you like the fucking liar you are!)

    payback sho' is a bitch eh jeremy??

    (cracking up laffing...) :D

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Tuesday, November 28, 2017 01:35:57
    From: slider@nanashram.com

    On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 18:09:46 -0000, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    I thought I'd made it clear. Don't talk to me. Do you really
    not have anything better to do in life than starting arguments
    with someone who wants nothing to do with you? If so, that's
    remarkably sad. I think you are a tasteless, argumentative,
    arrogant, presumptuous ass. Start arguments with someone else. :)

    ### - awww... poor baby??

    LOL :D

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, November 28, 2017 01:47:24
    From: slider@nanashram.com

    Angel Love laughingly wrote...

    Am 23.11.2017 um 19:09 schrieb Jeremy H. Denisovan:

    I thought I'd made it clear. Don't talk to me. Do you really
    not have anything better to do in life than starting arguments
    with someone who wants nothing to do with you? If so, that's
    remarkably sad. I think you are a tasteless, argumentative,
    arrogant, presumptuous ass. Start arguments with someone else. :)


    Why are you so angry at him? Let's all be friends again!

    ### - cracking up laughing! hehehehehe...

    great sarcastic humour bob! :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to thangolossus@gmail.com on Wednesday, November 29, 2017 04:03:00
    From: slider@nanashram.com

    On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 01:23:48 -0000, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 18:52:17 +0100, Angel Love <robert_smrdelj@gmx.de>
    wrote:

    Am 24.11.2017 um 00:21 schrieb thang ornerythinchus:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 22:28:44 +0100, Angel Love <robert_smrdelj@gmx.de>
    wrote:

    Am 23.11.2017 um 19:09 schrieb Jeremy H. Denisovan:
    I thought I'd made it clear. Don't talk to me. Do you really
    not have anything better to do in life than starting arguments
    with someone who wants nothing to do with you? If so, that's
    remarkably sad. I think you are a tasteless, argumentative,
    arrogant, presumptuous ass. Start arguments with someone else. :)



    Why are you so angry at him? Let's all be friends again!

    Lol!

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    I mean that! I am a hippy!

    Yeah, I used to be but dealing with people all these years has burnt
    the hippy out of me.

    ### - Old hippies never die. They just go off on a trip. :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to thangolossus@gmail.com on Wednesday, November 29, 2017 04:09:03
    From: slider@nanashram.com

    On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 02:17:07 -0000, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:22:53 -0800 (PST), "Jeremy H. Donovan" <jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 12:59:41 AM UTC-8, LowRider44M wrote:
    These are the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke and which
    Didymos Judas Thomas wrote down.

    (1) And he said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of
    these sayings will not experience death."

    Category: favorite human illusions. Secrets for escaping death.
    Always bound to be true... :)

    To be fair, I think in this context "death" relates to the soul, not
    the physical body - it means that the soul can live forever by the
    grace of God. I tend to believe (a) we do have a soul which is unquantifiable and undiscoverable, but your inner self tells you it
    exists; (b) this doesn't mean it, the soul, transcends physical death.
    It may well be the soul dies when the body dies, who knows?

    There is no religion I know of which says that the physical body "will
    not experience death". It's quite clear that a rotting, decaying body
    cannot be resurrected.

    ### - ahem.... Lazarus? ;)

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to Jeremy H. Donovan on Tuesday, December 12, 2017 11:57:19
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 12:19:30 PM UTC-5, Jeremy H. Donovan wrote:
    On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 12:05:29 AM UTC-8, LowRider44M wrote:

    ...in every point there is:

    Computational Realm
    Information Realm
    Compact Lattice - clear diamond filter properties - dark energy -
    Lightmach 73
    Diffuse Lattice - black diamond filter properties - dark matter -
    Lightmach 23

    All four above far below Planck limit

    There are no experimental results showing anything at all
    'below' the Planck length. Indeed, there's no conclusively
    proven physical significance at all to the Planck length itself.

    It's a model approaching the inward infinity to genuine sizeless objects.

    To me, "sizeless object" is an incomprehensible phrase. But I realize physicists have been known to use similar ideas.

    In string theory (a not completely verified theory) the length
    of strings is assumed to be on the order of the Planck length,
    On much larger length scales, such anything visible in physics
    laboratories, such objects would be indistinguishable from
    zero-dimensional point particles.

    But again, no popular theory I know of even theorizes regarding
    anything 'below' this level.


    A self referencing system of basic information the crosses the very lattices it produces and the disposes of behind itself.
    Think a train laying 100 feet of track as a bow wave, organizing chaos
    into ordered fabric which dissapate shortly after they are traversed.

    An interesting metaphor.


    So, this has to be something you just somehow "see" or "intuit"?
    Yet it couldn't possibly all merely be some beautiful imaginary
    world in your own mind? (While one person here calls me grandiose...)

    Dude, if I told you about July-7 1979 at the grand canyon once
    I've told you two dozen times explicitly, besides being a point
    of reference for my poems, songs and story.

    I know. And I believe this may be your most detailed telling of it yet.


    For the second half of the transaction I had two friends as witnesses. Alone the sky turned black and a single distant light appeared.
    I thought it was a UFO and being the goofball I was started chatting it up. [] Point of light in pure black sky.
    "Whoa cool a UFO spotted on my first cross country trip and just finished
    a great joint of awesome smoke. Out loud "Hay UFO dudes do you guys got those mental tractor beam gizmos for chatting?"
    [] Point of light in pure black sky, gets much larger and closer.
    Feeling the first tinge of fear "Well I have some good dope and there's
    a parking lot up the hill where you could park that thing while we smoke the peace pipe and check out your maps for wrong turns.

    You were high. And alone, and mentally 'oriented' toward 'seeing UFOs'.

    The last time my partner Vicki and I camped out - in the Sierras,
    near Mt. Whitney - we got high and saw UFOs. Weird shit. The key word
    is in the acronym is: "unidentified". It could also be: "unexplained".
    Shrug.


    [] Point of light in pure black sky, accelerates straight at me and stops. I turn to escape rising from a sitting position, with left arm around tree and feet dangling over cliff and the canyon floor 2000 feet below.
    I freeze in mid air suspended like the cliche of a chalk outline drawn
    on the street after a murder. I am in no time and perceive I am frozen
    in clear glass, when released after only a second of human time and a sensation of being trapped for trillions of years I am "dumbstruck"

    Extreme fear reactions can make time seem to stop. I've experienced
    that sensation a few times, often also while really high.
    Once in car wreck.


    I stumble up the hill back to the overlook. I only get thirty feet.
    My friends have a weird sensation (panic & euphoria)in the truck and come
    looking for me.

    So far three minutes has elapsed since I finished smoking.
    It is an event similar to two computers engaging in a handshake.
    I am struggling to speak my friends are concerned, I walk towards a flat space 5-10 feet from the edge and point to the pure black sky, "look just
    look."

    So... where did the light go? I hear nothing to indicate either
    of your friends even saw the same light (or spheres) you did.


    For some reason unknown we end up arms locked together three abreast.
    I am in the middle a friend to either side and the transaction opens.
    Three spheres approximately 10 miles in diameter apiece, and spaced apart by ten miles appear. They are deflecting this universe, receiving
    information
    shipping it 180 degrees at exact speed and maintain this universes'
    continuity
    but not allowing this universe to pass through. If this universe is a
    distinct
    equation, these three spheres are also three distinct unique equations.

    I realize years later the first half of transaction was a handshake
    request.

    As these vast hidden black presences appear covered in a white buttery
    light
    of relayed information

    You began your account saying "the sky turned black". Somehow you seem
    to be seeing (even judging the size of) black spheres on a black sky.
    I was wondering how that would be possible until you added they were
    "covered in a white buttery light". A strange sight it would be.


    , I withdrew my arms from my friends arms and stared
    at them: they were dumbstruck and unable to move, there are remained in
    position. I experience the human sensation of rapture and think "They see it."

    And yet... it does not seem that you received any explicit confirmation
    that they saw anything like what you did? Or, if they did, that it
    meant anything like the same things to them.


    The engines are now waiting for me to calm down and slowly gently pulsing at different rates very subtly. My friends are there staring transfixed and remembering the stuck in a diamond feeling of the handshake transaction I
    start
    giggling looking at my two frozen friends I say to each "I am not crazy"
    twice
    to each one. I look at the engines and think "I'm ready."

    Again your friends say nothing, and do not indicate seeing anything.
    It may have been your idea that they were "frozen" like you, when
    they may have just been standing there in the dark staring out into
    a night sky.


    They recorded the entire history of this construct and every identity pattern for safe keeping then arranged my birth in 1959.

    In 1979, it was arranged... essentially by you, to be born in 1959.
    In effect, time travel to the past. Another really hard one to believe.
    And "arranging a birth" seems to imply it has little to do with two
    parents fucking. How does that work? Or should I ask the Scientologists? (sarcasm)


    At this point I know I am them and they are me and this is the toll I have to pay to enter a civilization without long range transportation and
    communications functions and services.

    If you are them and they are you, maybe your two friends saw nothing
    (or saw different strange things based on how high they were and how
    much you were freaking them out by acting freaky).


    But I soon begin to enter denial.

    Perhaps you began naturally questioning all of your own strange
    assumptions and interpretations. Who knows, that may even have been
    a good thing, I don't know enough about your actual life to say.


    I want more sex drugs and rock and roll, I'm not ready for total freedom
    yet.

    I don't think anyone is ready for it. (Since I don't think
    any such human state as "total freedom" exists.)


    The engine on the left disappears for 60 seconds to record the fabrics.

    A person might ask: how could you know what it was doing when it
    disappeared? The answer might be: "you are them and they are you".
    This might also translate to: the whole thing's in YOUR head.


    When it returns the engine in the middle synchronizes with it and they both disappear for sixty seconds. They both reappear still in synch and slow their oscillation rate to synch with the third engine which came and stayed as the reference point. Once synched to a slow rate all three project a
    line
    at the 10:30 position three times longer than spheres, they are briefly a 3D-2D-1D triple object intersecting this universe, then they disappear
    melding
    back into the computational and information realm, the stars return slowly as the black graininess recedes point by point.

    Now see, if I'd seen anything like that, I wouldn't have had the
    slightest idea wtf it was. But you realize they are "synchronizing",
    and that it is coming from some "computational and information realm".
    This too makes me wonder if you're concocting the whole thing
    in your own mind, as marvelous as it seems.


    Suddenly my friends can move. They don't know they were immobilized for
    over
    six minutes. Still to this day they have never asked me what happened
    before
    they showed up to panic them, or that they were absent for six minutes.

    They may have had an entirely different experience, and might not
    confirm a single thing you say. It may only have seemed to you that
    they were 'immobilized', as you were tripping and creating the scenario.


    One friend deals with it well, the other never recovers and has great
    hidden
    fears of the event shared years later with someone not at canyon event.

    What does "deals with it well" mean?

    Exactly what was shared by the one who "never recovers" could have
    been revealing. Maybe something weird did seem to happen then,
    but their interpretation may be entirely different.


    As time goes by I conjure up 1000 of possible explanations.

    That seems sane. If it happened to me, that's EXACTLY what
    I would have done.


    In the end I accept what happened

    In the end, you settled upon a particular interpretation
    and proceeded to assume/believe it was correct.

    But there is no objective way to verify it.


    and eventually the engines show up
    twenty five years later minus all the pomp and ceremony to try to
    clue me into how to write the infinite recursive switch mechanism
    so that level five and six repeat infinitely juxtaposing commands:
    Barrier Platform Abridgement (Inward Infinity Format) Vs Junction Transit
    Intersect (Outward Infinity Format) Intersect=A Day Transit=Connected Days
    Junction=All Days Connected in circulating rhythums perceived as a small white ship to store each book of life, a raw transit is the smallest
    storable
    record of a human life.

    Another possible interpretation: a relapse.

    An alternative interpretation is that by mysteriously "absorbing" two anomalous experiences you somehow conceptually learned the essence
    of what each human life IS, how to manipulate time, and how to "write"...
    whatever all that stuff above is in "inward infinity format"
    (which is beyond all the physicists on earth).

    Which possible interpretation seems most likely?


    The big bang happened once, my engines got in my face twice, very
    discreetly,
    very politely, with caution, prudence and absolute command of themselves. It took a long time to understand.

    For me, and for most, it would have been impossible to 'understand'.
    And that's kind of the ultimate point I come to consider...

    If it was in fact "all you", as you even suggest above, it makes sense.
    And yet it also casts extreme doubt on the likelihood of any of it
    being any kind of 'objective truth'.


    Previously when I have told you this story you said, paraphrasing;
    "Well it is admirable you would go on a lifetime quest to solve that
    riddle."

    If that is what you did, it's beyond admirable. I probably had no idea
    what to say. :) I still do not know what to say.


    Hence my complete belief in your red light in the forest story and
    curiosity.

    I had many strange experiences while very high on different drugs,
    but I was never truly certain what any of it really "meant", although
    at certain moments while very high I believed myself to be certain.
    Now I do not believe anyone could ever honestly be certain.
    Including you.


    Then the fifth physically explorable level of bubbling froth 3%
    radiation 1% coherent matter with duration scales.

    Froth? Usually it's called "foam", if that's the reference. :)
    And that too is still a speculative conceptual extension of
    how 'quantum gravity' may relate to general relativity,
    which is also far from being conclusively verified.

    Yet once again, you seem completely sure about it.


    I'm old, I've come to peace with this world and its lack of consensus.

    Science IS about getting objective consensus.

    What would you do if somehow physicists discovered that the world
    is objectively completely different from how you believe it to be?


    Above is a model and approximation only, it only makes sense if
    EVERYTHING
    is viewed as INFORMATION.

    "So you're here to save the world. What do you say to something like that?"
    :)

    (A not exactly analogous quote from The Matrix. A more exact wording
    of my own pov might be: "So you know what the whole world is.
    What can I say to something like that?")


    Early in the movie The Matrix, Morpheus is schooling Neo on the idea
    of the matrix(froth's circular formulas-Universe's Parameters) verses The Construct as underlying fundamental structured conflict between infinite information struggling both with and against
    eternal-everlasting information properties and functions.

    At 1:35 he goes off script: the construct is the loading program. The
    basics. > > > All versions of the matrix - universe are "froth" inherently unstable.

    Morpheus and Neo in The Construct https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm-nf1FZsWY

    Neo's oldest self buried in a quasi (semi-coded) version of The
    Construct.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHZl2naX1Xk

    He never escapes. To enter The Construct and survive is to follow
    its basic form: "Three Is The Smallest Math Jury"

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, December 12, 2017 17:36:29
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 11:57:20 AM UTC-8, LowRider44M wrote:

    http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160310221407-08-ken-burns-presidents-national-park-service-exlarge-169.jpg

    I was there again back in October (North Rim). :)

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, December 14, 2017 20:27:30
    From: intraphase@gmail.com

    Jeremy H. Donovan wrote:
    LowRider44M wrote:
    :
    : : : :...in every point there is:
    : : : :
    : : : : Computational Realm
    : : : : Information Realm
    : : : : Compact Lattice - clear diamond filter properties - dark energy - Lightmach 73
    : : : : Diffuse Lattice - black diamond filter properties - dark matter - Lightmach 23
    : : : :
    : : : : All four above far below Planck limit
    : : :
    : : : There are no experimental results showing anything at all
    : : : 'below' the Planck length. Indeed, there's no conclusively
    : : : proven physical significance at all to the Planck length itself.
    : :
    : : It's a model approaching the inward infinity to genuine sizeless objects.
    :
    : To me, "sizeless object" is an incomprehensible phrase. But I realize
    : physicists have been known to use similar ideas.

    A lot of physics is the telling of tall tales. Fishing stories.
    Information processes subjected to the scientific method of provable
    and disprovable theories is sometimes a casualty of 'reckless imagination.'

    :
    : In string theory (a not completely verified theory) the length
    : of strings is assumed to be on the order of the Planck length,
    : On much larger length scales, such anything visible in physics
    : laboratories, such objects would be indistinguishable from
    : zero-dimensional point particles.

    It is a realm that requires different methods of inquiry.
    The standard: observe hypothesize experiment analyze then repeat
    requires new and unique methods tools and models.

    :
    : But again, no popular theory I know of even theorizes regarding
    : anything 'below' this level.
    :

    Eventually a whitish grey haze is there, after that all is super positioned juggling jiggling 3=1 mirages of possibility: was / is / might be sludge.

    :
    : : A self referencing system of basic information the crosses the very
    : : lattices it produces and the disposes of behind itself.
    : : Think a train laying 100 feet of track as a bow wave, organizing chaos
    : : into ordered fabric which dissapate shortly after they are traversed.
    :
    : An interesting metaphor.
    :

    Poetic: S.S. Artilus sailing the Seas Of Chaotica.

    :
    : : : So, this has to be something you just somehow "see" or "intuit"?
    : : : Yet it couldn't possibly all merely be some beautiful imaginary
    : : : world in your own mind? (While one person here calls me grandiose...)
    : :

    That is a given, your statement above.
    Toss in a little Shakespeare "Aye there's the rub"
    The models have penetrated this model called universe and presented
    themselves for inspection for ten minutes in 1979 and five minutes in
    2004. Yet I accept my models do not exist as standing coherent linear time objects available for inspection 24/7/365 days a year.

    : : Dude, if I told you about July-7 1979 at the grand canyon once
    : : I've told you two dozen times explicitly, besides being a point
    : : of reference for my poems, songs and story.
    :
    : I know. And I believe this may be your most detailed telling of it yet.

    Yeah I think so.
    Rumor: Supposedly there are no-go no fly zones at the canyon.
    Noteworthy: The whole place is named very strangely, some theorists posit
    we landed there and migrated eastward and westward.
    :
    :
    : : For the second half of the transaction I had two friends as witnesses.
    : : Alone the sky turned black and a single distant light appeared.
    : : I thought it was a UFO and being the goofball I was started chatting it up. : : [] Point of light in pure black sky.
    : : "Whoa cool a UFO spotted on my first cross country trip and just finished
    : : a great joint of awesome smoke. Out loud "Hay UFO dudes do you guys got
    : : those mental tractor beam gizmos for chatting?"
    : : [] Point of light in pure black sky, gets much larger and closer.
    : : Feeling the first tinge of fear "Well I have some good dope and there's
    : : a parking lot up the hill where you could park that thing while we smoke
    : : the peace pipe and check out your maps for wrong turns.
    :
    : You were high. And alone, and mentally 'oriented' toward 'seeing UFOs'.

    No no no, I had zero interest in UFO's.
    My brother and his friends were in one vehicle, my friends and I
    were in a different vehicle. We lost contact in Eldorado, after camping
    near Colorado Springs. Proceeding to the canyon, without my little brother (also named David) I was, due to my afflictions, and recent head injury in
    a most thoroughly homicidal attitude towards my vehicles occupants.

    I was smoking pot at the edge of the edge of the grand canyon to diffuse
    the rage I felt towards my two friends. No cosmic, religious or scientific thoughts whatsoever. I was and still am like you sometimes describe your self...
    "A soft atheist" I have never found a bible passage, movie or book, containing the sequence of events I've described.

    A good theoretical question: Why would you or whatever this sequence of phenomenon was involve two seemingly innocent bystanders such as your friends and traveling companions.

    Tentative answer after examining my conscience and instincts many times.
    I had saved the life of the friend who "never recovered" from it when he was choking on food for over five minutes using a violent forceful application
    of the Heimlich manuever, four other people had tried before me, I had already ran, made a 911 call and ran back before viciously using tremendous force
    to clear his airway. This was two years before the event.

    The other friend who enjoyed the totality of the events at the canyon I would coax into going to the hospital after finding him close to death from an act
    of rough sex play with a casual partner (scrotal exsanguination)

    When I saw the canyon events described as originating by-from "Other"
    I often pondered why involve innocent bystanders.

    In the end we were all "self implicated" in each other's earth life narratives. If it was you that was there, eventually you would have ruminated long
    enough to inquire, "What happened before I showed up." They never did and
    I chased away all thoughts of 7-7-79 for 10-15 years, only engaging in postulates and theorizing upon arriving here in ADC in 1995 and meeting unconventional theorists.

    :
    : The last time my partner Vicki and I camped out - in the Sierras,
    : near Mt. Whitney - we got high and saw UFOs. Weird shit. The key word
    : is in the acronym is: "unidentified". It could also be: "unexplained".
    : Shrug.
    :

    Most ufo's are static or garbage cans.
    But 1% are significant as "system event markers"
    I remote viewed the Trent 1950 UFO as a blind target.
    It was filled with broken data lines in B-mode index lines from Borobudur Temple
    Back to collections of opinions on the Buddhist Perspective.
    It was like a downed data line, or duplicate information expelled from
    the computational realm and quickly erased, but briefly visible.



    :
    : : [] Point of light in pure black sky, accelerates straight at me and stops. : : I turn to escape rising from a sitting position, with left arm around tree : : and feet dangling over cliff and the canyon floor 2000 feet below.
    : : I freeze in mid air suspended like the cliche of a chalk outline drawn
    : : on the street after a murder. I am in no time and perceive I am frozen
    : : in clear glass, when released after only a second of human time and a
    : : sensation of being trapped for trillions of years I am "dumbstruck"
    :
    : Extreme fear reactions can make time seem to stop. I've experienced
    : that sensation a few times, often also while really high.
    : Once in car wreck.

    I've had the car wreck time stoppage to, the canyon event started similarly. I've speculated I fell into the canyon accidentally and time restarted with
    me twenty feet away from the edge and pointed to safety away from the edge. Alternately, I got angry five minutes in the future and the friend whose
    life I saved two years earlier, who never integrated the experience, pushed me to my death.

    In effect I murdered myself by saving him two years earlier.
    Just a posit or thread in a possible tableau of scenarios.

    I did feel suspended in that chalk outline position "forever."

    :
    :
    : : I stumble up the hill back to the overlook. I only get thirty feet.
    : : My friends have a weird sensation (panic & euphoria)in the truck and come looking for me.
    : :
    : : So far three minutes has elapsed since I finished smoking.
    : : It is an event similar to two computers engaging in a handshake.
    : : I am struggling to speak my friends are concerned, I walk towards a flat
    : : space 5-10 feet from the edge and point to the pure black sky, "look just look."
    :
    : So... where did the light go? I hear nothing to indicate either
    : of your friends even saw the same light (or spheres) you did.

    They saw it but were struck silent and motionless, to my amazement and amusement.

    The spheres displayed two different exit behaviors.
    When acting alone or in a pair during the sequence the seemed to merge
    with totality for 1-2 minutes. First the left sphere alone, then the middle
    and left sphere together.

    When all three departed they synched their oscillation rate of deflecting
    our universe and each one extended a line resembling the minute hand of a clock at 10:30 position and vanished back into the info & computational realms.
    The sky remained devoid of stars and my friends slowly came to alertness.

    :
    :
    : : For some reason unknown we end up arms locked together three abreast.
    : : I am in the middle a friend to either side and the transaction opens.
    : : Three spheres approximately 10 miles in diameter apiece, and spaced apart
    : : by ten miles appear. They are deflecting this universe, receiving information
    : : shipping it 180 degrees at exact speed and maintain this universes' continuity
    : : but not allowing this universe to pass through. If this universe is a distinct
    : : equation, these three spheres are also three distinct unique equations.
    : :
    : : I realize years later the first half of transaction was a handshake request.
    : :
    : : As these vast hidden black presences appear covered in a white buttery light
    : : of relayed information
    :
    : You began your account saying "the sky turned black". Somehow you seem
    : to be seeing (even judging the size of) black spheres on a black sky.
    : I was wondering how that would be possible until you added they were
    : "covered in a white buttery light". A strange sight it would be.

    Devastatingly perplexing, but I'm glad it happened, even if it is
    an unsolvable riddle.
    :
    :
    : :, I withdrew my arms from my friends arms and stared
    : : at them: they were dumbstruck and unable to move, there are remained in position. I experience the human sensation of rapture and think "They see it." :
    : And yet... it does not seem that you received any explicit confirmation
    : that they saw anything like what you did? Or, if they did, that it
    : meant anything like the same things to them.

    No we were all deep in shock, no discussion at all, other than my saying; "Don't ever tell anyone they'll think were crazy!"
    The next morning we found my brother at a nearby gas-rest stop near south rim overlook seven. We started blabbering about it immediately no longer feeling threatened by mysterious forces in the broad daylight and the renewed company of ther half of our traveling contingent.
    :
    :
    : : The engines are now waiting for me to calm down and slowly gently pulsing
    : : at different rates very subtly. My friends are there staring transfixed and : : remembering the stuck in a diamond feeling of the handshake transaction I start
    : : giggling looking at my two frozen friends I say to each "I am not crazy" twice
    : : to each one. I look at the engines and think "I'm ready."
    :
    : Again your friends say nothing, and do not indicate seeing anything.
    : It may have been your idea that they were "frozen" like you, when
    : they may have just been standing there in the dark staring out into
    : a night sky.
    :

    After they spoke of it to many people.
    I never spoke of it ever except once, while on a camping trip atop
    Mount Lafayette, because I was afraid it would reoccur.

    :
    : : They recorded the entire history of this construct and every identity
    : : pattern for safe keeping then arranged my birth in 1959.
    :
    : In 1979, it was arranged... essentially by you, to be born in 1959.
    : In effect, time travel to the past. Another really hard one to believe.
    : And "arranging a birth" seems to imply it has little to do with two
    : parents fucking. How does that work? Or should I ask the Scientologists?
    : (sarcasm)
    :

    Yeah but at least you search for truth and try to disprove your own theories. It was something (the event) so bizarre I retain that as a "postulate" I can not prove or disprove.

    : : At this point I know I am them and they are me and this is the toll I have : : to pay to enter a civilization without long range transportation and communications functions and services.
    :
    : If you are them and they are you, maybe your two friends saw nothing
    : (or saw different strange things based on how high they were and how
    : much you were freaking them out by acting freaky).
    :

    We discussed it at times and confirmed the visual sequencing.
    But we never speculated on what it was together.
    My friend who accepted it saw it as some type of structure of the
    universe like a body has bones muscles veins and blood cells.
    The friend who couldn't make peace with it thought of it as "forces"
    that confronted us and left without explanation.
    As mentioned; they never asked about the first part, as if the second
    part had boggled-confounded them into submission - acquiescence.

    I settled on "Quartz Lightning Desert Phenomenon" as a description of
    lights produced by tectonic plate tension deep underground that surfaces.
    I used that mental defense from 1980-1995.
    But that didn't cover the first half of the event when alone
    and in essence granting the event a three level permission to engage in whatever transaction was being requested.

    : : But I soon begin to enter denial.
    :
    : Perhaps you began naturally questioning all of your own strange
    : assumptions and interpretations. Who knows, that may even have been
    : a good thing, I don't know enough about your actual life to say.
    :
    :

    I was always extremely lucky. Lived like a shy intelligent prince.
    Played hockey, chased girls, smoked pot and wore an owl tattoo chosen
    at random from a bird book, "O" being in the middle.
    Lots of friends, in love four times, deeply believed in a personal"GOD" available to all who sought divine guidance.
    Also moody from Cyclothymic Disorder. Also very reckless, from severe ADHD.

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