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### - am not personally IN this at all thang! (am an outsider remember?;)
so is 'totally' objective based on previous observations...
Everything we say and do contains part of us. We can't detach who we
are from what we do. No one can do that, we're only human. Perhaps
Buddha could but I tend to think Buddha never existed, like Christ,
Muhammad, Zoroaster, all those prophets, he was a figment which
accrued depth due to invention over many hundreds of generations. So,
no one can be completely objective - at least until AI is reality. You therefore ARE in this just like all of us in this NG and everyone else
on the planet.
lacking the appropriate 'education' (read: preparation...) to HANDLE
such
'freedom' could easily drive ordinary people quite nuts! they dunno what >>> to do with themselves! and often top themselves eventually in deep
despair
and loneliness/estrangement from the rest of the world, sometimes
spectacularly...
Rubbish Slider. People are more reslient than you think, alienation
or not.
### - i beg to differ there... 'some' peeps are more resilient, inherently >so, but that's not what am talking about here? more often than not a
change of social milieu can be disastrous going in both directions; a poor >person moving up OR a wealthy person moving down...
Taking away genetics and education, people can still be extremely
resilient. Look at how the Jews hewed a state from the Arabs in and
after 1946. How the American settlers beat back the English army
during the wars of independence. How a young girl fell out of a plane
into the jungle in Peru survived:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliane_Koepcke
Resilience is a survival trait and millions of years of primate
evolution and preceding billions of years of general evolution has
bred for this trait. Those who are not resilient tended to die off
before the invention of modern medicine, and die off before breeding
in the long term.
So reslience would also apply to a person moving up or down in a
social milieu. People adapt. Sometime, often actually, such phase
changes in lifestyle and so on prove to be positive. The arrogant
cunt who is shocked by something into being a better person all round
is a good example. I knew a person who got brain cancer and between
diagnosis and death became a much better, generous person - his
personality changed for the better and it wasn't just some attempt to
atone, it was deep and real.
One door closes, another door opens.
A glass half empty is actually a glass half full.
via circumstances they 'became' outsiders, but without ever really
wanting
to do so nor ever having that aspiration?
Nope.
### - people get booted 'out' all the time thang! mostly resulting in
madness due to an inability to just cope! the more resilient ones survive
& evolve, but among more average peeps it usually just fucks them up!
Firstly, people being booted out of clubs and social milieus due to
disgrace, ineptitude, faux pas', crime etc, generally find their feet
and rebound, but not into the place they "fell" from. And many times
that's a good thing because the new life is a better life, free of
pretence and falsity and the old life examined from outside is proven
full of flaws and charade. You call this "evolution" but you're using
that term loosely - evolution occurs (apart from bacteria and virii
where a generation lasts perhaps several minutes) slowly, very slowly,
such that it's unobservable to we who live such short lives and whose
*entire recorded history* only covers about 2000 generations or so.
So don't use the word "evolve" unless you're talking about our species
over the hundreds of thousands of years scale. Survive, yes. But
we've evolved to survive. Those who weren't resilient, durable and
adaptable didn't breed into the long term because generally they
didn't survive the big cats, the bears, the internecine fighting over
women and territory, the disease and everything else which kills man.
So someone who goes "mad" because they're booted out of a club or
whatever, is a person who doesn't, according to the laws of nature,
deserve to survive. According to the laws of man they do, because we
all have human rights (in the west apparently, not so much in Russian,
China and so on). But take a holiday in Bangkok some day Slider, or
in Jakarta, and tell me about durability and resilience and social
milieus, especially when you get back to London with its welfare and
public health and fluoridated water on tap etc - you'll agree with me.
the 'richard brandsons' of this world are thus held up as models (to
poor
people among those 80%) to emulate and become, to struggle and to aim
for
as a goal in life, only they're NOT really supposed to actually succeed
beyond a point? vegas-dude ended-up OUT of his social class! no longer
fitted-in... anywhere!
No they're not. Richard Branson is just another individual trying to
achieve happiness (filling the void within) through acquisition. We
all try to do that in one way or the other, it's part of being human.
As for being a model, rubbish. Many poor people don't aspire to
selling their souls for a life style of the rich and famous. A quiet
unremarkable life is preferable by most.
### - again, you're just not listening? this IS constructed for chris, for >him to try and get-hold of something more about the 'outsider', so here i
am 'alluding' to things that are very difficult to actually
define/describe! (am painting a picture here for him piecemeal! step back
a little and maybe you'll see it too?;)
Slider I have a good intellect. I have a tertiary education and
literally waltzed through it with straight distinctions and even took
the final year of my degree full time while I was holding down a full
time job in the government and working part time on weekends, paying
off a mortgage, raising two children and ensuring my wife didn't need
to work for 15 years. So, if you are asking ME to "step back a little
and maybe I'll see it too", then how the FUCK can you expect Chris to
see what you are saying clearly, the first time he reads it?
Nothing you say is clear. None of us are mind readers. None of us,
nor anyone else, can read between your lines. We all expect clarity
of thought and expression.
isolated & alone, many of them often just go slowly mad...
Nonsense.
they don't warn ya about THAT in school though eh?
Schools are for education. Experience and parents do *that* job.
### - hahaha oh stop it! lol :) - ya can't BE factual (like this) about... >poetry!?
POETRY! ;)
Poetry didn't get me where I am. Poetry is a luxury. Did Buddha wax
poetic? He was evidently on a quest for reality. His life behind the
palace walls lacked reality - old age, suffering, sickness. He threw
it all away to find reality. How does poetry help in finding reality?
Poetry is a luxury of those who have the time and comfort to enjoy it
but it is not a necessity in the search for reality.
We're born searching for reality. Dad, why is the sky blue? Why
this, why that. The herd loses that ability and soul need after a
while, it's ground out of them by society because, falsely, it's
considered a trait of outsiders, loners, geeks, nerds and so on. But
it's part of the soul, the need to find reality - church won't do it,
or temple, or the mosque. They're fabrications. The only thing that
will do it is yourself. Poetry won't do it, poetry is too obtuse for
most. Science is a good start, quantum mechanics and cosmology.
Buddhist and hindu thinking helps.
just collateral damage folks! acceptable expenditures!
the 'cost' of putting animals in cages?
some of 'em just can't take it anymore! and die!
but then there's always plenty more where 'they' came from innit?
riiiight...
clean-up squad on isle 39! many casualties!
one of our packages just reached/went critical & exploded!
just all in a days work son! overheads! ya know? :)
bonkersville indeed! :D
You're off on a rant. Do you take any medication Slider? Seriously.
You seem to have a lot of resentment built up and it needs release or
something. Try running or hard exercise.
### - ahahaha... there IS a bit of a rant in there too, granted hehehe,
but that's NOT what THIS is about! have merely painted a picture for chris
to contemplate at his leisure, and these are just the last brush-strokes >going in that completes it...
You're too abstract for Chris. He's not an abstract thinker. You
should stick with clarity instead of "brush strokes".
(fyi, the only meds i use/take is weed sport, have prolly tried nearly >everything in my time but that's all i ever like/have any interest-in
anymore ok?)
look at the 'whole' picture again ok? i carefully build it up bit by bit >until it's completed? until it presents an image of something that hard to >define otherwise... chris, am sure, caught that ball no problemo! (would
be very surprised if he hadn't)
No he won't have. If I can't, and you're too unclear in the way you
express things for me to properly grasp what you're trying to say OR
you're purposely being vague so you can't be pinned down - then for
sure Chris won't.
The problems of this world are mainly due to lack of clear
communication. When communication fails, then tribes tend to go to
war. Lack of clarity of communication means that things stated can be misinterpreted. That's the way to damnation.
Practically everything you say is written in a fuzzy style which is
either unintentionally unclear or plainly deceptive in order for you
to riposte with things like "its poetry" or "read between the lines".
You write Rorschacht Diagrams - inkblots which can be taken to mean
practically anything and therefore can neither be proven right nor
wrong.
Cease this. Write clearly. State your position and stand firm.
check it out before just dismissing out of hand ok?
i had to do some 'work' here but consider him worthy of it ;)
He won't get it. He is worthy, he's quite a decent bloke, that's
true. But he is prosaic as hell and that's not a bad thing either,
each to his own. His form of interlude and escape is to ride a big
bike off into the sunset, your form is poetry, mine is thinking about
the origin of the cosmos and cutting edge science - heck, Dave's is to
travel to scenic sites and post pics on instagram and FB. Each to
their own. But if you're writing for all of us, you need to try to
imagine the type of people you're writing for. The best way to do
that, cut across all boundaries, is to just write plainly and simply.
Like this paragraph. Don't expect anyone to work to get your meaning,
make it easy.
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