• North Korea on Trump's speech: We're done listening

    From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 17:55:35
    From: slider@nanashram.com

    Pyongyang, North Korea (CNN)North Korean officials were closely watching
    US President Donald Trump when he addressed the South Korean National
    Assembly Wednesday, but they say they weren't listening.

    Though the American leader's tone was more subdued -- and he proposed what
    some perceived as a conditional olive branch -- officials in Pyongyang authorized to speak for the government told CNN when it comes to Trump,
    "we don't care about what that mad dog may utter because we've already
    heard enough."

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/08/asia/north-korea-trump-speech-analysis/index.html

    Pyongyang accuses Trump and the United States of heightening tensions to a level not seen since the Korean War ended in an armistice in 1953. They
    say it's actions not words that matter, pointing to three US aircraft
    carriers and a submarine currently off the coast of the Korean Peninsula.

    "The United States is threatening us with nuclear aircraft carriers and strategic bombers. They are challenging us with with the most vicious and demeaning provocations but we will counter those threats by bolstering the power of justice in order to take out the root cause of aggression and
    war," the officials said.

    Trump did hint at a chance of diplomacy to resolve the standoff, but only
    if North Korea were to stop its provocative behavior, quit developing
    ballistic missiles, and agree to "complete, verifiable, and total" denuclearization. Most Korea-watchers believe that last item is a
    non-starter.

    "The prospect of the North Koreans actually denuclearizing is near zero,"
    said Michael Hayden, a former head of the CIA and the NSA. "They are not irrational in this regard, they've seen what happens to states who have
    given up their nuclear programs and they're trying to hold on to this as a matter of regime survival."

    Adam Mount, a senior fellow at the Federation of American Scientists, told
    CNN he was particularly concerned that Trump sees North Korea giving up
    its nuclear weapons as a starting point, not an end of the negotiating
    process.

    "He held to the same old insistence on complete, verifiable
    denculearization, without a plan to get there, which we didn't hear,"
    Mount said. "That insistence will prevent any kind of forward progress."

    Though Trump stood before South Korean lawmakers, his audience was likely
    more global.

    "It was a tough speech," said Hayden. "It wasn't over the top, it wasn't
    beyond the edge. No rocket man and no fire and fury, no over-posturing
    about imminent action on the part of the United States. Now, that said, he didn't point out an obvious off-ramp, as to how we get out of the
    circumstances that we're in."

    That may have not gone over well in the National Assembly chambers, where
    many politicians are concerned about the potential of a catastrophic
    conflict.

    James Clapper, the former US Director of National Intelligence, described
    the speech as "mostly stick and not much carrot."

    Though Trump avoided the fiery rhetoric and name-calling that he's
    employed when previously discussing North Korea and its leader, Kim Jong
    Un, the address will likely still rub Pyongang's most powerful the wrong
    way.

    He called life in the hermit nation "a hell that no person deserves" and
    said the country has committed crimes "against God and man."

    "You don't go so overboard in insulting and attacking your adversary if
    you want to get into some kind of negotiation," said John Delury, a
    professor at Yonsei University's Graduate School of International
    Relations.

    ### - this is all ultimatum rather than negotiation thang, an impossible situation to resolve 'other' than militarily...

    'coz 'no way' is NK gonna be allowed to 'remain' nuclear and 'no-way' is ding-dong ever gonna de-nuclearise lest he immediately goes the way of
    gadaffi & iraq! (a guaranteed certainty considering all the threats he's
    made!)

    maybe they're hoping his 'own' peeps will take him out, but he'll likely
    go out with a bang rather than just 'give-up' all that family-line and
    stuff??

    something's gonna happennnnnn!

    and who KNOWS how it could go after that!

    better getcher' popcorns ready sport :)

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  • From whisperoutloud@1:229/2 to likes to argue with regulars on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 12:13:11
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    likes to argue with regulars writes:

    something's gonna happennnnnn!

    and who KNOWS how it could go after that!

    better getcher' popcorns ready sport :)

    side note: i was at the movies last night in one of
    those theaters that have the lay back chairs. The whole place
    was outfitted with fucking easy chairs. I was watching
    Thor 3 and keep wanting to go to sleep. I start to dream
    several times but pulled myself back to watch the movie.
    It was so damn relaxing to sit in those chairs. You can
    even buy beer at the movies now, oh shit, if i had a beer
    and laid back like that i would have missed the whole movie.
    I did eat a shitload of popcorn though.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 20:17:58
    From: slider@nanashram.com

    something's gonna happennnnnn!

    and who KNOWS how it could go after that!

    better getcher' popcorns ready sport :)

    side note: i was at the movies last night in one of
    those theaters that have the lay back chairs. The whole place
    was outfitted with fucking easy chairs. I was watching
    Thor 3 and keep wanting to go to sleep. I start to dream
    several times but pulled myself back to watch the movie.
    It was so damn relaxing to sit in those chairs. You can
    even buy beer at the movies now, oh shit, if i had a beer
    and laid back like that i would have missed the whole movie.

    ### - to dream or not to dream, that IS the question ;)

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