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    From slider@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, December 28, 2021 11:09:53
    From: slider@anashram.com

    Omicron is “not the same disease we were seeing a year ago” and high Covid death rates in the UK are “now history”, a leading immunologist has said.

    Sir John Bell, regius professor of medicine at Oxford University and the government’s life sciences adviser, said that although hospitalisations
    had increased in recent weeks as Omicron spreads through the population,
    the disease “appears to be less severe and many people spend a relatively short time in hospital”. Fewer patients were needing high-flow oxygen and
    the average length of stay was down to three days, he said.

    A number of scientists have criticised the government’s decision not to introduce further Covid restrictions in England ahead of New Year’s Eve,
    with some describing it as “the greatest divergence between scientific
    advice and legislation” since the start of the pandemic.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/28/omicron-is-not-the-same-disease-as-earlier-covid-waves-says-uk-scientist

    They have expressed concern that while the Omicron variant appears to be milder, it is highly transmissible, meaning hospital numbers and deaths
    could rise rapidly without intervention.

    The NHS Providers chief executive, Chris Hopson, said it was still unclear
    what would happen when infection rates in older people started to rise. “We’ve had a lot of intergenerational mixing over Christmas, so we all are still waiting to see, are we going to see a significant number of
    increases in terms of the number of patients coming into hospital with
    serious Omicron-related disease,” he told BBC Breakfast.

    NHS staff absences caused by having to isolate over Omicron are also
    causing strain on the health service, with experts predicting up to 40% of staff in London could be off in a “worst case scenario”.

    “We’re now seeing a significant increase in the level of staff absences, and quite a few of our chief executives are saying that they think that that’s probably going to be a bigger problem and a bigger challenge for
    them than necessarily the number of people coming in who need treatment
    because of Covid,” said Hopson.

    George Eustice, the environment secretary, said the government was keeping
    the level of Covid hospital admissions under “very close review”.

    He acknowledged that infection rates from the new Omicron variant were
    rising but said there was evidence it was not resulting in the same level
    of hospital admissions as previous waves.

    “There is early encouragement from what we know in South Africa that you
    have fewer hospitalisations and that the number of days that they stay in hospital if they do go into hospital is also lower than in previous variants,” he told the BBC.

    “At the moment we don’t think that the evidence supports any more interventions beyond what we have done. But obviously we have got to keep
    it under very close review, because if it is the case that we started to
    see a big increase in hospitalisations then we would need to act further.”

    John Bell told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “The horrific scenes that we saw a year ago of intensive care units being full, lots of people dying prematurely, that is now history, in my view, and I think we should be reassured that that’s likely to continue.”

    He said that over the course of multiple waves of Covid, including Delta
    and Omicron, “the incidence of severe disease and death from this disease
    has basically not changed since we all got vaccinated”.

    He added that quiet streets over the past couple of weeks showed people
    had been “pretty responsible” with regard to protecting themselves from
    the virus.

    Speaking after the government’s announcement on Monday that they would not
    be introducing any more Covid restrictions this year, Simon Clarke, an associate professor in cellular microbiology at the University of Reading, warned that the latest data was incomplete.

    He cautioned that the latest case figures did not include data for samples taken between Christmas Eve and Boxing Day, and that it would become clear
    how the virus had moved through the population over the Christmas period
    in the coming week or so.

    “While nobody wants to live under tighter controls, the public need to realise that if we end up with a significant problem of hospitalisations
    and mass sickness, it will be worse than if authorities had acted
    earlier,” he said.

    Speaking on Tuesday, Paul Hunter, a professor in medicine at the
    University of East Anglia, said people with Covid should eventually be
    allowed to “go about their normal lives” as they would with a common cold.

    “This is a disease that’s not going away. Ultimately, we’re going to have to let people who are positive with Covid go about their normal lives as
    they would do with any other cold,” he told BBC Breakfast. “If the self-isolation rules are what’s making the pain associated with Covid,
    then we need to do that perhaps sooner rather than later. Maybe not quite
    just yet.”

    Hunter said Covid would one day be regarded as a cause of the common cold
    and would not warrant the reporting of daily case numbers. “Once we’re
    past Easter, perhaps, then maybe we should start to look at scaling back, depending on, of course, what the disease is at that time,” he said.

    ### - we're way ahead of ya pal and was looking at this rather
    hopeful-type scenario more than a week ago (they're so slow to catch-on in wallyworld heh) and while we can't yet be certain about it to any real
    extent (because that data isn't in) things do indeed now seem to be
    piling-up on the more positive side of omicron being mild & cold-like/short-lived! (so let's just hope that's really the case then huh)

    coz if that's genuinely the situation (and i'll allow myself to be
    optimistic here) then all that remains is to steer-clear of delta (because
    that fucker really 'is' deadly) and to wait for the ever-so-infectious
    omicron to do it's work of quickly replacing delta altogether, while at
    the same time inoculating the whole planet with natural covid antibodies
    in only a couple or 3 months without all the expense & sweat!

    we still require a couple more weeks for confirmation etc, but so far
    fingers crossed eh?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, December 29, 2021 14:56:29
    From: slider@anashram.com

    ### - we can see omicron really starting to gather pace now... with it
    doubling every 2 days or less those numbers start getting really big (as they're now becoming) and it doesn't then take many more doubles to
    encompass even whole populations!

    we still don't know everything about omicron, but as the fog clears it
    would seem to be either mild in nature (which would be really good news in
    so many ways) or, is just about as-deadly as the others but is susceptible
    to our vaccines to varying degrees...

    it currently appears to be ONE or the other?

    and not because the vaccines stop you from becoming infected, but because
    they indeed prime the immune system as-though one has already been
    previously infected with it to some extent and can now fight it off in the upper airways 'before' it gains a foothold (which is exactly how they're supposed to work to varying degrees by emulating that whole process,
    something which might also go to explaining why the un-vaccinated are
    currently being hit the hardest)

    if though it's because omicron itself is actually mild-er... then it all becomes very hopeful in a another way... e.g., within a very short time everyone on the planet will have been 'naturally' inoculated (which is
    likely to work more uniformly compared to experimental vaccines) against
    the more dangerous strains of covid by it, including any that might yet appear/evolve...

    in which case the pandemic will then be effectively + very suddenly: over! covid-19 becoming a new common cold or possibly even disappearing
    altogether!

    so it 'might' be the vaccines (the slower man-made route/way-out of all
    this) or it 'might' be omicron just being mild (which might be even better because everyone then gets a bit of a cold and it's gone!)

    either way is good news! (very good news actually) we just don't know for
    sure, yet, which of those 2 it actually is... is it the vaccines helping
    us to fight it off earlier or omicron being milder?

    hmmm...

    and coz if it's the latter we 'could' even just be witnessing a miracle disappearance of covid altogether here?? and this via nature's OWN
    solution!

    (oh i'd like that heh...)

    meanwhile there's still time to place yer bets! :)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)
  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, December 29, 2021 15:37:10
    From: slider@anashram.com

    hey welcome to alt.nightmare.covidville

    ### - haha, but this is current news bud involving everyone no? (might
    even be good news!)

    there being nuthin' stopping ya from posting on other subjects huh...

    (have tried posting stuff about dreaming, WILDing, evolution, literature + loads of other good shit, and no one's interested? worse: they yell at ya
    to "fuck off" LOL)

    left up to them: there wouldn't be anything posted here at all except
    maybe political/racist slogans heh, so what better then to deal with here,
    in cc-land, than matters of life & death...

    a greater awareness of which might even sober some of these lazy fuckers
    up some heh ;)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)
  • From chris rodgers@1:229/2 to slider on Wednesday, December 29, 2021 07:18:52
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 6:56:42 AM UTC-8, slider wrote:
    ### - we can see omicron really starting to gather pace now... with it doubling every 2 days or less those numbers start getting really big (as they're now becoming) and it doesn't then take many more doubles to
    encompass even whole populations!

    we still don't know everything about omicron, but as the fog clears it
    would seem to be either mild in nature (which would be really good news in
    so many ways) or, is just about as-deadly as the others but is susceptible
    to our vaccines to varying degrees...

    it currently appears to be ONE or the other?

    and not because the vaccines stop you from becoming infected, but because they indeed prime the immune system as-though one has already been
    previously infected with it to some extent and can now fight it off in the upper airways 'before' it gains a foothold (which is exactly how they're supposed to work to varying degrees by emulating that whole process, something which might also go to explaining why the un-vaccinated are currently being hit the hardest)

    if though it's because omicron itself is actually mild-er... then it all becomes very hopeful in a another way... e.g., within a very short time everyone on the planet will have been 'naturally' inoculated (which is
    likely to work more uniformly compared to experimental vaccines) against
    the more dangerous strains of covid by it, including any that might yet appear/evolve...

    in which case the pandemic will then be effectively + very suddenly: over! covid-19 becoming a new common cold or possibly even disappearing
    altogether!

    so it 'might' be the vaccines (the slower man-made route/way-out of all
    this) or it 'might' be omicron just being mild (which might be even better because everyone then gets a bit of a cold and it's gone!)

    either way is good news! (very good news actually) we just don't know for sure, yet, which of those 2 it actually is... is it the vaccines helping
    us to fight it off earlier or omicron being milder?

    hmmm...

    and coz if it's the latter we 'could' even just be witnessing a miracle disappearance of covid altogether here?? and this via nature's OWN
    solution!

    (oh i'd like that heh...)

    meanwhile there's still time to place yer bets! :)
    hey welcome to alt.nightmare.covidville

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)
  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, December 29, 2021 15:56:17
    From: slider@anashram.com

    left up to them: there wouldn't be anything posted here at all except
    maybe political/racist slogans heh, so what better then to deal with
    here,
    in cc-land, than matters of life & death...

    a greater awareness of which might even sober some of these lazy fuckers
    up some heh ;)
    ca-ca land, lol, carlos aranha, carlos aranha (his own joke)

    ### - well... there's a very certain 'reality' to life & death innit huh...

    it's always jarring? and very grounding ;)

    "but if i pretend it doesn't exist then maybe it wont... get me!?"

    riiiiiight.... :))))

    just keep tellin' yourself that buddy and then ya wont even see it coming!

    death literally nibbling at people's heels and all they can be bothered to
    do is STILL be incredibly petty?? terminal assholes to the bitter end lol: reprobates!

    maybe they should realise de-nile isn't just a river in africa heh :)))

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From chris rodgers@1:229/2 to slider on Wednesday, December 29, 2021 07:41:32
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 7:37:21 AM UTC-8, slider wrote:
    hey welcome to alt.nightmare.covidville

    ### - haha, but this is current news bud involving everyone no? (might
    even be good news!)

    there being nuthin' stopping ya from posting on other subjects huh...

    (have tried posting stuff about dreaming, WILDing, evolution, literature + loads of other good shit, and no one's interested? worse: they yell at ya
    to "fuck off" LOL)

    left up to them: there wouldn't be anything posted here at all except
    maybe political/racist slogans heh, so what better then to deal with here,
    in cc-land, than matters of life & death...

    a greater awareness of which might even sober some of these lazy fuckers
    up some heh ;)
    ca-ca land, lol, carlos aranha, carlos aranha (his own joke)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)