From: slider@anashram.com

still taking things far too personally wrote :)

### - imho, a standard image of wallyworld as portrayed/projected by you
and as represented in this instance by a simple competitive/ win/lose
ball-game... other people have similar dreams albeit about being in some
busy shopping mall or theater for example, all these again being
symbolic
representations of the daily world... most people thus spending their
'whole lives' just screwing around shooting & stuff heh...

oh what horseshit. you're lost in your mind with this stuff, give it
up.

### - honestly don't think it is hs, am just being entirely straight with
ya here, am merely fronting ideas based on an accumulating understanding
is all, an attempt at synthesis, so no need to be so hostile/defensive, no one's on-trial here buddy, relax :)

people dreaming of being at a big concert or gathering being very common,
as is being on some kinda team or another (it's ONLY an opinion, in this instance a working-opinion that currently makes more sense than most
others coz that's all am ever dealin' in, ya know? this being what i
currently think, plus ain't saying it's gospel so it's ok to suggest it's horseshit, but if so then ya have to replace it with a better working
idea...)

### - you became lucid in the dream at this point... standard dild
approach

so what? you become lucid when it happens, big deal ?

### - why are you somehow taking that as being a... criticism?? (please
leave your ego at home bud, it's not needed here)

it's merely an 'observation' and nada else...

a dild as opposed to a WILD... fact!

(there's a reason why i differentiate between them that was clearly
explained later on anyway duh, but you so can't wait to have a go back
already eh? geez put your guns away lol)

### - and not a very lucid dild either hehe, coz here's you now only
half
awake in a dream, telling your other 'selves' that it's just a dream and
they all echo in agreement like morons back atcha ahaha... i mean why
bother affirming it's a dream in such a common manner unless you were
only
half awake talking to a bunch of your own dc's and taking it/them all
seriously... (can imagine your standard awareness crashing at this point
as you became more aware of the situation haha, have been there a few
times too)

you're just guessing. you are not the authority of my dream.
you might be an authority on your own dreams but you're coming in
here with bully logic that YOU know better--you don't.

### - am expressing an opinion only here, one that (currently anways)
appears to be consistent, and here i am outlining that whole idea to you
to have a little look at, is all...

'getting' you to look at it being something else altogether tho LOL ! :)))

### - this is the reality-check i now routinely use these days to test
if
am still dreaming or not, total lucidity in any dream (100% lucidity
iow)
creating the situation where it becomes difficult to accept that what
you're facing now is still only a dream, so convincingly 'real' that it
just doesn't seem possible to still be dreaming! floating up in the air
like that, even just a few inches, being the reassuring proof required
to
remain objective/detached, such complete lucidity being a fairly common
event via WILDS, a marked sign of 100% lucidity always being the total
absence of dc's, almost as if they only come out if/when
semi-unconsciously projected... (which is what i ultimately suspect)

the fact that one becomes lucid is because something has shifted.
no shift means same old same crappy dreaming. business as usual.
Lucidity is extremely easy once you're 'in' the right place.

### - (at last you drop the defensive attitude) then we're in near
agreement coz this is almost exactly what am saying/suggesting here too!

that once you're in the 'right' place (in awareness) then it's much
easier... getting oneself INTO that place being what the difficulties (and techniques) are all about...

we can learn to manipulate our awareness via sleep and we can also
manipulate it via other ways while awake, the distinction between them
being important enough to mention because the results differ...

being up in the air or rising up in the air or flying are the dream
signposts
that i use over and over. I know instantly that i am dreaming, the
rest is easy.

### - smile, plus how appropriate, coz here's us recently talking about
things being either left, right or center etc in political terms + i
seem
to be talking in code (which i defo was heh) and it looks like you then
gots a very nice lesson in exactly what am going-on about plus even a
subconscious hint at what it all means, your own mind filling-in all the
blanks, cool :)

baloney, jesus you're worst than a freudian dipshit with analysis.
it's not about you or your opinion. stop trying to be the dream nagual that can tell other people what their dreams mean. you should have
let go of doing that in 70's. come to the party nagual boy.

### - lol you're the one being the dipshit now :)))

look, we're just having a fucking 'conversation' okaaay? you have your
ideas and i have mines, and IF there's summat you happen to disagree with
then fine, argue that and make relevant points to back it up, debate it
like a grownup ya know? NOT just immediately resort to kicking the shit
outta whoever's saying it LOL ! ffs! :D

fyi: a 'debate' (i.e., an intellectual exchange of ideas) is about who
'argues' (puts) their case best... this, however, doesn't automatically
mean that the winner of the debate is absolutely right or correct! it ONLY means that the best 'argument' wins! - a conclusion that may well even be totally debunked later! but first we gots to eliminate all the clearly
weaker ideas! 2 heads being better than one we thus eliminate any weaker
ideas one by one because, for whatever reasons, they just can't stand up,
until there's only a couple left that don't fall-down so easily etc...

now for goodness sake just try to focus on the 'material' here instead of
how you 'feel' haha :))))

i.e., stripping it bare: it started-off with you on the left/right field
playing ball (the standard wallyworld position of unconscious duality in
which one typically picks a side) only something odd happened and you
somehow overshot the mark (went behind the board), becoming lucid/aware
you then floating 'above' the standard position hitting a more central
area... you then spent some time in this 3rd (above) position and awoke

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