. Looks like he capped himself.
yep, he may have a had some help
with a couple of dudes who went
after him. I think they scored
a hit. Maybe ran him off the road.
tomorrow we won't remember his name.
another piece of shit bites the dust.
i just like it that there is no
long extended trial, death row,
etc.etc. I mean look at Manson,
the son of a bitch is still sitting
in life sentence without a chance
of any parole. (Lucky us) It's
even better when they shoot themselves.
Thanx chickenshit, you just saved us
about 10 million bucks.
soon they will be blaming the
imaginary god. gotta blame something.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/saving-normal/201405/the-mind-the-mass-murderer
Posted May 30, 2014 (so 'not' including many of the more recent ones...)
excert:
In 2013, the Congressional Research Service (CRS) issued a report on
public mass shootings. The CRS used as its working definition incidents >“occurring in relatively public places, involving four or more deaths.” >The CRS identified 78 public mass shootings in the U.S. since 1983 that
had resulted in 547 deaths and 1, 023 casualties.
He also notes that most perpetrators are young males who act alone after >carefully planning the event. They often have a longstanding fascination
with weapons and have collected large stores of them. The shootings
usually occur in a public place and during the daytime.
Individual case studies involving psychological autopsy and a careful >analysis of the often copious communications left behind suggest common >psychological themes. The mass murderer is an injustice collector who
spends a great deal of time feeling resentful about real or imagined >rejections and ruminating on past humiliations. He has a paranoid
worldview with chronic feelings of social persecution, envy, and >grudge-holding. He is tormented by beliefs that privileged others are >enjoying life’s all-you-can-eat buffet, while he must peer through the >window, an outside loner always looking in.
Aggrieved and entitled, he longs for power and revenge to obliterate what
he cannot have. Since satisfaction is unobtainable lawfully and >realistically, the mass murderer is reduced to violent fantasy and >pseudo-power. He creates and enacts an odious screenplay of grandiose and >public retribution. Like the child who upends the checkerboard when he
does not like the way the game is going, he seeks to destroy others for >apparent failures to recognize and meet his needs. Fury, deep despair, and >callous selfishness eventually crystalize into fantasies of violent
revenge on a scale that will draw attention. The mass murderer typically >expects to die and frequently does in what amounts to a mass >homicide-personal suicide. He may kill himself or script matters so that
he will be killed by the police.
The frequency of mental disorders in mass murderers is controversial
because it is not clear where to draw the line between "bad" and "mad."
The paranoia exists on a spectrum of severity. Some clearly do not meet >criteria for any mental disorder and often may justify their acts on >political or religious grounds. Others have the frank psychotic delusions
of schizophrenia. Many perpetrators are in the middle, gray zone where >psychiatrists will disagree about the relative contributions of moral
failure versus mental affliction.
### - in the 'vegas' event he wasn't poor and/or 'a loner looking-in' on
what he couldn't have, or was he? there are different ways of being poor
ya know?
i.e., 'wealth' can also operate/act as an impermeable barrier to what many >consider a more meaningful life & living, in the sense that their riches >typically 'isolates' them from (what they consider to be) the
mainstream/real world experience everyone else is enjoying, and thus such >peeps are often to be seen going out and 'slumming' it just to get some?
iow: live all your life in an 'ivory tower' and the perception can quickly >become one of being isolated from the rest of humanity and the simple >pleasures 'they' all erroneously appear to avail themselves of 24/7 but
which you can't personally reach?
vegas dude was VERY wealthy! and as such, money became 'nothing' to him!
what most peeps struggle for their whole lives, often their main
motivation in life just to make ende meet, was never his problem! even >risking losing it all, and all this in a pitiful effort to actually 'feel' >something? some thrill? he could afford prostitutes and drugs (and
whatever else) no problemo! no challenge there! so becomes boring after a >while, gambling big-time and dangerously; no challenge there either! the >fucker could virtually 'have' anything he wanted! which is fine until
you've 'had it' several times over? then what??
running out of normal challenges here boss?
life becomes... unsatisfying!
lacking the appropriate 'education' (read: preparation...) to HANDLE such >'freedom' could easily drive ordinary people quite nuts! they dunno what
to do with themselves! and often top themselves eventually in deep despair >and loneliness/estrangement from the rest of the world, sometimes >spectacularly...
via circumstances they 'became' outsiders, but without ever really wanting
to do so nor ever having that aspiration?
the 'richard brandsons' of this world are thus held up as models (to poor >people among those 80%) to emulate and become, to struggle and to aim for
as a goal in life, only they're NOT really supposed to actually succeed >beyond a point? vegas-dude ended-up OUT of his social class! no longer >fitted-in... anywhere!
isolated & alone, many of them often just go slowly mad...
they don't warn ya about THAT in school though eh?
just collateral damage folks! acceptable expenditures!
the 'cost' of putting animals in cages?
some of 'em just can't take it anymore! and die!
but then there's always plenty more where 'they' came from innit?
riiiight...
clean-up squad on isle 39! many casualties!
one of our packages just reached/went critical & exploded!
just all in a days work son! overheads! ya know? :)
bonkersville indeed! :D
i just like it that there is no
long extended trial, death row,
etc.etc. I mean look at Manson,
the son of a bitch is still sitting
in life sentence without a chance
of any parole. (Lucky us) It's
even better when they shoot themselves.
Thanx chickenshit, you just saved us
about 10 million bucks.
### - know whatcha mean, although in some ways a trial might be better, in >that at least it fully comes out 'why' they popped?
plus that way it *can't* just be then all conveniently be swept under the >carpet...
manson really is/was insane! so at least we know that, how & why he
'became' insane is more interesting unless he was always a nutcase
anyway...
if 'social' circumstances 'caused' his insanity (mothers are often to
blame for example apparently) then we really need to know? and certain >aspects of nurturing duly amended to obviate the problem (sentenced to 56 >hundred episodes of supernanny or whatever heh...)
perforce people are very expensive to 'look after' once caught/identified, >but that really doesn't justify killing them? and because, after all, if
they weren't actually mad to begin with then it's our society that
probably drove them nuts?
apparently 1 in 4 of us (25%!) are born mentally challenged in one way or >another anyway!
another 25% probably being 'driven' mad?
and as for the rest of 'em; well who can tell?? lol :)))
(might just come down to you & me bud! the last 2 sane ones left?)
heh! - may be! ;)
https://heavy.com/news/2017/11/devin-kelley-p-sutherland-springs-church-shooter-patrick-kelly/
I guarantee that no motive will be found with this motherfucker
either. He apparently has kids yet he's just murdered kids.
Unfathomable.
On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 5:18:00 PM UTC-8, thang ornerythinchus wrote: >> https://heavy.com/news/2017/11/devin-kelley-p-sutherland-springs-church-shooter-patrick-kelly/
I guarantee that no motive will be found with this motherfucker
either. He apparently has kids yet he's just murdered kids.
Unfathomable.
This one is actually easier to "explain".
Just from what I've read so far it goes like this:
He became estranged from his woman, and blamed it all on the church
she and her mother go to. And since he was an atheist he saw them
as idiots (but what an asshole to kill all those people over it.)
On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 13:11:16 -0800 (PST), "Jeremy H. Donovan" <jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 5:18:00 PM UTC-8, thang ornerythinchus
wrote:
https://heavy.com/news/2017/11/devin-kelley-p-sutherland-springs-church-shooter-patrick-kelly/
I guarantee that no motive will be found with this motherfucker
either. He apparently has kids yet he's just murdered kids.
Unfathomable.
This one is actually easier to "explain".
Just from what I've read so far it goes like this:
He became estranged from his woman, and blamed it all on the church
she and her mother go to. And since he was an atheist he saw them
as idiots (but what an asshole to kill all those people over it.)
Yep, motive or at least cause(s) revealed. Paddock still defies
analysis though. I guess I'll be eating crow now next to Chris...
On Mon, 06 Nov 2017 15:00:36 -0000, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
i just like it that there is no
long extended trial, death row,
etc.etc. I mean look at Manson,
the son of a bitch is still sitting
in life sentence without a chance
of any parole. (Lucky us) It's
even better when they shoot themselves.
Thanx chickenshit, you just saved us
about 10 million bucks.
### - know whatcha mean, although in some ways a trial might be better,
in
that at least it fully comes out 'why' they popped?
Wrong. You would only get lies, evasion or more likely dead fucking
silence from mass murderers. As for predatory killers like Bundy,
look at his final interview hours before he sat in Old Sparky. He
just lies and lies about the reasons for his stalking and murdering
over 50 girls by blaming it on pornography. I mean, give me a fucking
break.
You think they'll explain in a trial why they killed? Think again. If they're prepared to kill themselves they're prepared to tell you a
little white lie ;)
plus that way it *can't* just be then all conveniently be swept under
the
carpet...
manson really is/was insane! so at least we know that, how & why he
'became' insane is more interesting unless he was always a nutcase
anyway...
As we say here, as crazy as a shithouse rat.
if 'social' circumstances 'caused' his insanity (mothers are often to
blame for example apparently) then we really need to know? and certain
aspects of nurturing duly amended to obviate the problem (sentenced to
56
hundred episodes of supernanny or whatever heh...)
Or the absence of mothers, or the tampering uncles, or the abusive and philandering fathers, or the abusive brothers and sisters, or the
tampering school teachers, or the tampering priests ... etc etc etc.
Fuck excuses.
perforce people are very expensive to 'look after' once
caught/identified,
but that really doesn't justify killing them? and because, after all, if
they weren't actually mad to begin with then it's our society that
probably drove them nuts?
Just kill them. I agree with Chris.
apparently 1 in 4 of us (25%!) are born mentally challenged in one way
or
another anyway!
Citation please.
another 25% probably being 'driven' mad?
and as for the rest of 'em; well who can tell?? lol :)))
(might just come down to you & me bud! the last 2 sane ones left?)
heh! - may be! ;)
On Mon, 06 Nov 2017 13:53:19 -0000, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/saving-normal/201405/the-mind-the-mass-murderer
Posted May 30, 2014 (so 'not' including many of the more recent ones...)
excert:
In 2013, the Congressional Research Service (CRS) issued a report on
public mass shootings. The CRS used as its working definition incidents
“occurring in relatively public places, involving four or more deaths.” >> The CRS identified 78 public mass shootings in the U.S. since 1983 that
had resulted in 547 deaths and 1, 023 casualties.
He also notes that most perpetrators are young males who act alone after
carefully planning the event. They often have a longstanding fascination
with weapons and have collected large stores of them. The shootings
usually occur in a public place and during the daytime.
Individual case studies involving psychological autopsy and a careful
analysis of the often copious communications left behind suggest common
psychological themes. The mass murderer is an injustice collector who
spends a great deal of time feeling resentful about real or imagined
rejections and ruminating on past humiliations. He has a paranoid
worldview with chronic feelings of social persecution, envy, and
grudge-holding. He is tormented by beliefs that privileged others are
enjoying life’s all-you-can-eat buffet, while he must peer through the
window, an outside loner always looking in.
Aggrieved and entitled, he longs for power and revenge to obliterate
what
he cannot have. Since satisfaction is unobtainable lawfully and
realistically, the mass murderer is reduced to violent fantasy and
pseudo-power. He creates and enacts an odious screenplay of grandiose
and
public retribution. Like the child who upends the checkerboard when he
does not like the way the game is going, he seeks to destroy others for
apparent failures to recognize and meet his needs. Fury, deep despair,
and
callous selfishness eventually crystalize into fantasies of violent
revenge on a scale that will draw attention. The mass murderer typically
expects to die and frequently does in what amounts to a mass
homicide-personal suicide. He may kill himself or script matters so that
he will be killed by the police.
Excellent description.
The frequency of mental disorders in mass murderers is controversial
because it is not clear where to draw the line between "bad" and "mad."
The paranoia exists on a spectrum of severity. Some clearly do not meet
criteria for any mental disorder and often may justify their acts on
political or religious grounds. Others have the frank psychotic
delusions
of schizophrenia. Many perpetrators are in the middle, gray zone where
psychiatrists will disagree about the relative contributions of moral
failure versus mental affliction.
That's a good article, right on the button actually.
### - in the 'vegas' event he wasn't poor and/or 'a loner looking-in' on
what he couldn't have, or was he? there are different ways of being poor
ya know?
You wouldn't know. His motive, if any, could be as alien to you as
the thoughts of a spider when hunting its insect prey.
i.e., 'wealth' can also operate/act as an impermeable barrier to what
many
consider a more meaningful life & living, in the sense that their riches
typically 'isolates' them from (what they consider to be) the
mainstream/real world experience everyone else is enjoying, and thus
such
peeps are often to be seen going out and 'slumming' it just to get some?
It isolates them from poverty, starvation, malnutrition, inept
healthcare, ignorance, low grade education, lack of travel and
inexperience of foreign cultures, frustration, envy, boredom, low
level genetic partnership and low level offspring, poor housing
options and a plethora of other negatives which any sane person would
wish to avoid.
Methinks there is a little self justification in your pontifications.
iow: live all your life in an 'ivory tower' and the perception can
quickly
become one of being isolated from the rest of humanity and the simple
pleasures 'they' all erroneously appear to avail themselves of 24/7 but
which you can't personally reach?
What makes you think that people who amass a little lucre and hence
security as a consequence must live in an "ivory tower"? That's
fallactious thinking and again a projection of your own self
justification. Get over that way of thinking, be more objective and
you'll be a more acceptable person.
For instance - I have what the majority of people would consider some
forms of wealth, a nice house freeheld in green title, cash and gold,
nice collections of this and that worth reasonable prices on the open
market, no debt to any person whatsoever and so on. Yet, I prefer
home cooked simple meals, walking and running, old cars well
maintained, simple (but fairly colourful) clothes, connection with
anyone who has a reasonable and interesting mind regardless of social standing and so on. No isolation or ivory tower here Slider.
vegas dude was VERY wealthy! and as such, money became 'nothing' to him!
what most peeps struggle for their whole lives, often their main
motivation in life just to make ende meet, was never his problem! even
risking losing it all, and all this in a pitiful effort to actually
'feel'
something? some thrill? he could afford prostitutes and drugs (and
whatever else) no problemo! no challenge there! so becomes boring after
a
while, gambling big-time and dangerously; no challenge there either! the
fucker could virtually 'have' anything he wanted! which is fine until
you've 'had it' several times over? then what??
He was worth a few million, nothing spectacular. He may not even have
been aware of the cause of his outburst - it could have been very much
buried in his subconscious. So how can you surmise the above?
Ridiculous, Slider.
running out of normal challenges here boss?
life becomes... unsatisfying!
You wouldn't know. You're not being objective. You're projecting
your own issues onto this matter.
lacking the appropriate 'education' (read: preparation...) to HANDLE
such
'freedom' could easily drive ordinary people quite nuts! they dunno what
to do with themselves! and often top themselves eventually in deep
despair
and loneliness/estrangement from the rest of the world, sometimes
spectacularly...
Rubbish Slider. People are more reslient than you think, alienation
or not.
via circumstances they 'became' outsiders, but without ever really
wanting
to do so nor ever having that aspiration?
Nope.
the 'richard brandsons' of this world are thus held up as models (to
poor
people among those 80%) to emulate and become, to struggle and to aim
for
as a goal in life, only they're NOT really supposed to actually succeed
beyond a point? vegas-dude ended-up OUT of his social class! no longer
fitted-in... anywhere!
No they're not. Richard Branson is just another individual trying to
achieve happiness (filling the void within) through acquisition. We
all try to do that in one way or the other, it's part of being human.
As for being a model, rubbish. Many poor people don't aspire to
selling their souls for a life style of the rich and famous. A quiet unremarkable life is preferable by most.
isolated & alone, many of them often just go slowly mad...
Nonsense.
they don't warn ya about THAT in school though eh?
Schools are for education. Experience and parents do *that* job.
just collateral damage folks! acceptable expenditures!
the 'cost' of putting animals in cages?
some of 'em just can't take it anymore! and die!
but then there's always plenty more where 'they' came from innit?
riiiight...
clean-up squad on isle 39! many casualties!
one of our packages just reached/went critical & exploded!
just all in a days work son! overheads! ya know? :)
bonkersville indeed! :D
You're off on a rant. Do you take any medication Slider? Seriously.
You seem to have a lot of resentment built up and it needs release or something. Try running or hard exercise.
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