• Omicron may require 'very stringent response', say Sage scientists

    From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, December 01, 2021 11:50:21
    From: slider@anashram.com

    The impact of the Omicron variant on the UK is "highly uncertain" but may require a "very stringent response", government advisers have said.

    The BBC has seen leaked minutes of a meeting of the Scientific Advisory
    Group for Emergencies held on Monday.

    Officials should prepare now for a "potentially significant" wave of
    infections while data on the variant is collected and analysed, they say.

    The government said it will take further action if necessary.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59484322

    The prime minister said on Tuesday that officials would be "throwing everything" at a campaign to roll out booster jabs to all adults this
    winter.

    The programme was expanded in response to the emerging Omicron variant,
    which scientists believe could be more infectious than the existing Delta variant of coronavirus.

    Omicron wave 'highly uncertain'

    More than 30 scientists attended a video conference on 29 November, led by
    the government's chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance and chief medical adviser Chris Whitty.

    Sage meetings are often designed to advise officials and ministers about
    the possible path of the pandemic in certain circumstances rather than
    offer up concrete predictions.

    The minutes, which have not yet been published but have been seen by the
    BBC, say that it is "highly likely" that Omicron can escape immunity
    caused by previous infection or vaccination "to some extent".

    The existing Delta variant is already more resistant to vaccines than the original version of the virus found in Wuhan.

    The advisers say that there is not currently any evidence of widespread community transmission of Omicron in the UK, as there has been in parts of South Africa. They say the impact on a country like the UK remains
    uncertain as it is different in terms of age structure, the numbers
    previously infected with coronavirus and the level of vaccination coverage.

    The scientists believe that booster jabs are likely to provide protection against severe disease, hospitalisation and death from most variants in
    the short term.

    But they note: "Any significant reduction in protection against infection
    could still result in a very large wave of infections. This would in turn
    lead to a potentially high number of hospitalisations even with protection against severe disease being less affected."

    Although the size of any future wave remains "highly uncertain", the
    scientists say it may be of a scale that requires "very stringent response measures" to avoid unsustainable pressure on the NHS.

    The minutes make it clear that it is too early to know how ill the Omicron variant will make those infected or how that might vary by age. They say
    the first indications of the likely impact on vaccines should come from laboratory studies over the coming weeks.

    But the advisers note: "It is important to be prepared for a potentially
    very significant wave of infections with associated hospitalisations now,
    ahead of data being available."

    They say that the earlier measures to reduce transmission are introduced,
    the stronger they are and the wider their geographical coverage, the more effective they will be.

    "The situation could develop quickly over the coming weeks and decision
    makers may need to act while there is a high level of uncertainty
    including the potential need for stringent response measures," they say.

    The government said it has already put in place measures to protect public health since Omicron was first identified including travel restrictions on countries in southern Africa, stronger rules on self-isolation for close contacts and a new mandate on face coverings in England.

    A spokesperson for the Department of Health and Social Care said: "On top
    of this we are speeding up our vaccination programme by offering all
    adults in England a booster jab by the end of January, halving the gap
    between second doses and boosters, and offering second jabs to 12-15 year olds."

    "We continue to monitor the situation closely and will not hesitate to
    take further action if necessary."

    ### - well, they're beginning to panic just a little bit here now, the
    prospect of a variant that's THREE times as infectious as delta (which
    itself was labeled as being 'the' most infectious agent ever encountered
    to date!) being pretty scary, and prolly means everyone's gonna get it eventually whether they's been vaccinated or not! (they said that about
    delta but is a sure thing with omicron)

    so they's jumping on it now... a bit? (mandatory face masks outside and in shops again etc) although imho not enough + far from it! sooo scared of
    losing their xmas income they're keeping everything open instead of
    immediately locking down the whole damn country from top to bottom, ports
    and everything, in order to arrest this shit BEFORE it gets going, and
    screw xmas! but no!

    best case scenario then being: that covid, like the common cold that first appeared in the 1800's and killed millions because it was a similarly
    'new' (novel) virus that persists to this day (albeit generally fairly
    mild, peeps catching 1 or 2 colds a year not being that unusual it might
    just end up the same way eventually) so ok we get colds & flues, and now
    covid as well, occasionally, and it all just carries on as before etc
    etc...

    worst case being: that it not only gets more infectious but also deadlier across a wider range of ages, until it kills/maims, well, everyone
    eventually! lol

    chances are, however, that it'll fall somewhere 'between' those 2
    eventualities huh ;)

    (they're fuckers here maan, during a FULL lockdown they SHOULD be out
    there spraying the streets and everything public on a daily basis, and
    they ain't see? they's instead saving money (fiddling heh) while 'rome
    burns'!)

    thus one can only really conclude that they just don't give a shit, not
    really, not unless they catch it personally or have some other medical emergency, plus they wont then have to wait 3 hours for an ambulance to
    arrive like the rest of us either!

    meanwhile... lucky us: we can have FOUR shots of shit now?? (2 boosters)

    and another one every 3 months thereafter! lol ! :)))

    (will have to think about that hmmm)

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  • From chris rodgers@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, December 01, 2021 06:46:57
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    "well it's 5, 6, 7-8 open up them pearly gates" ha ha
    just kiddin' around here, what else can idiot do in this world?

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, December 01, 2021 15:00:10
    From: slider@anashram.com

    "well it's 5, 6, 7-8 open up them pearly gates" ha ha
    just kiddin' around here, what else can idiot do in this world?

    ### - it's all hangin' by a thread at this point, and they dunno which way
    it's gonna go...

    could all go down pretty suddenly for example, enough people suddenly get
    sick and the whole ball of wax melts

    or, we just all struggle on like this for years (even decades) with no
    real improvements and even more nasty variants + people going nuts in the meantime... (it's a madhouse!)

    or, aliens from another world finally land and SAVE our collective asses!
    yaay!

    (riiiiiiiiiiight.......)

    nah, were fucked haha :D

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, December 02, 2021 10:23:28
    From: slider@anashram.com

    ### - ah god, they's discussin' the prospect of vaccinating ALL 5-year
    olds or younger here now??

    not that am particularly against vaccinations for kids, in some instances
    it's necessary + had all my regular shots as a baby too, only that this
    clearly reveals just how 'desperate' they's apparently now getting re this virus shit that just keeps getting more & more infectious!?

    and with booster shots being recommended for everyone every 3-months
    to-boot???

    one thought that keeps coming back, however, is that for the last 2 years
    solid the whole world has been severely disrupted in it's otherwise normal routines?

    which, for moi suggest a big change is possibly coming!

    change being far more difficult to achieve when everything's been cast in
    stone for decades and decades, but while everything's up in the air
    'change' then becomes more possible!

    that new things can only creep into it all when one's regular routines
    have been disrupted, thus 'creating' the possibility of (and for) change?

    have no idea what that change may involve, it could be completely
    disastrous (which is why people always fear change instead of welcoming
    it; that we're safer with the devil we know etc etc) but it doesn't
    absolutely always have be negative, change can often be good too leading
    to people having a more open mind for instance!

    things are gonna change eventually anyway, but sometimes it also happens
    in little jumps?

    (we only came down from the trees and started walking upright because the weather changed for example, a forced jump!)

    evolution is apparently going-on all the time but we humans have a
    tendency to 'resist' change, see?

    and then it catches up with us again in a fairly big jump (a bit like how earthquakes occur for example; the tension builds until it snaps)

    personally, i think we NEED to change! badly! urgently! obviously so! -
    it's maybe even our last chance TO change or be swept away! and that while
    it all looks pretty horrible at the moment something good COULD actually
    come outta all this!

    with all our routines changing over such a prolonged period, maybe
    we'll... grow :)

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  • From marika@1:229/2 to slider on Monday, January 03, 2022 20:34:09
    From: marika5000@gmail.com

    On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 5:50:32 AM UTC-6, slider wrote:
    The impact of the Omicron variant on the UK is "highly uncertain" but may require a "very stringent response", government advisers have said.

    The BBC has seen leaked minutes of a meeting of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies held on Monday.

    They have a way of being dependably unreliable

    mk5000

    Success, and even life itself, wouldn’t be worth anything if I didn’t have my wife and children by my side. They mean everything to me.==Jude Law

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