From: slider@anashram.com

### - well, it seems to have gone suddenly very quiet around here since applying the killfile to our 2 last resident loonies heh (peace at last in shantytown? lol thaaat'll beee the daaay!) :)

so will tell ya's a story in the meantime about a perhaps wiser humanity,
wiser because they live long enough to actually reach wisdom instead of
having to die just as their 'real' life is only just beginning...

i.e., in the vast majority of cases, unless they're particularly
intelligent, it takes a human being around 50 or 60 years to even 'start' calming down enough to really start getting their shit together, all those years of following fashions and getting rowdy with their mates, a near
lifetime of following some kinda career/belief-system and of making ends
meet, of having families and getting homes together to pass on to them;
ALL our time is literally taken up with all this frenetic crap and it's
only when we've been saturated with it that we start to feel sated, at
which point we then usually die from old age should we have been lucky
enough to even last that long??

that if only human beings lived longer, say 300 years instead of only an average of 70, things on this planet would likely be very different
indeed...

for instance: we'd probably spend the first 100 years just growing up, ya
know? working our way through it all and getting all that societal-crap
outta the way; finances, families, houses et-al, the whole works in the majority of cases, even amongst them that didn't do too well the first
time around and say spent time long times in prison; the ageing process nevertheless puts everything into a different perspective and, apart from
a few exceptions (the mentally incurable perhaps) we slowly begin to
wise-up anyway, coming around more and more to just the wonder of living
and being alive itself...

having gotten all that earthly + young crap outta the way (having
worked-off all that karma heh) the second 100 years would perforce be very likely lived entirely differently altogether... the desires and urges of
youth having now burned away/been-exhausted we'd likely set out on a
different quest altogether, one probably filled with the study of
literature and history and whatever else takes people's fancy, the less academically inclined (and/or perhaps those who feel they've already absorbed/exhausted that entire body of information) living almost like zen monks and exploring life that way...

having been through ALL that, and survived, our last 100 years would thus
be the glory of humankind, the passion & confusion of youth, the searching
to understand during our middle-aged years, followed by then 100 MORE
years of living completely in-harmony with life, the universe &
everything, for real, our world and culture would be a very different
place, run and organised by genuinely educated + very wise and experienced people... if there was such a thing possible as 'heaven on earth' we'd be living it and it would probably be very beautiful...

alas though we only live to around 70 or so, cut-off in our prime JUST as
we're actually beginning to finally see through ALL that crap and passion
of youth that had created such prolonged confusion and suffering in the
first place, and that my friends is kinda sad is it not? it's as though we always lose by default!

it's like in that movie 'Logans Run' where everyone is set-up to only live
to 30, no one ever ageing enough to even question anything, a tiny clique amongst them suspecting that something's not quite right with everything they've been led to believe but don't know exactly what, only that there's
more to it all, them choosing to take their chances and 'run' rather than
just die when their time is up, no one knowing what really happens to them
once they escape, IF they escape that is, and aren't killed by the
'Sandmen' hired to stop them!

our 2 heroes do manage to escape for real, however, only to discover that
they are the first to do so, that the city they escaped from is thus a lie
and a farce set-up only to preserve life after a nuclear war, the movie
ending on a hopeful note when everyone there ("all the young people") are
then later forced to abandon the city and live outside where they
ultimately belong but which humanity had sadly forgotten all about...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKdPjwmNSlY

good movie! maybe even a true story albeit in hollywood code...

;)

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 5:43:49 AM UTC-4, slider wrote:

### - well, it seems to have gone suddenly very quiet around here since applying the killfile to our 2 last resident loonies heh (peace at last in shantytown? lol thaaat'll beee the daaay!) :)

Your addicted to moral calculus.
Your brain computating hierarchy and tribal status equations.
The eternal conundrum is as your pontificating suggests
Organic Bananas V. Plastic Bananas, aka True V. False.
You never understood because you lie to yourself first.
Then you lie to others fluently, because you hypnotized yourself.
A world of truth can be built and lived in but never shared with "Other"
Notice when Jesus speaks of his heavenly father he says:
"Our father, who art in heaven HALLOW BE THY NAME"
Whoever put Jesus up to being the sword and fire of truth
wouldn't reveal the name he keeps only for SELF.

Second example: Carlos spoke of the "abstract cores"
But he never detailed their elements or structure.
Seems like The Death Defier and The Tenant would only
go so far in their displays of the powers of creation.

So truth is self referencing and never to be shared.
To quote a dead Johnny "Walls And Bridges."

so will tell ya's a story

"Ya's" is proof your a forth rate hypnotist.
If you kill filed the Saucy Aussie in the pretty red dress
and the ruby slippers and you kill filed "DEATH"
then who is "Ya's" you mean to say "Ya"
3 - 2 = 1

in the meantime about a perhaps wiser humanity,

Ain't going to happen. Two count conviction.
Nuclear Genocide. A Declaration of Quantum Warfare.
Your a canary in a coal mine that died trillions of years
ago, measured by a clock designed as a bomb to close
your cosmos equation.

The echo of this two bombs touches Sodom and Gomorrah.
Then Hiroshima and Nagasaki and then { Target-1 / Target-2 }

If you played this game correctly you wouldn't have posted. https://groups.google.com/g/alt.dreams.castaneda/c/9jWdm14A-Pw
She was elected in 2016 remember, remember? Nope you forgot.
If you could remember it would be so, therefore it was not so.
You forgot the British Empire too, I guess Siddhartha outplayed you.
Lot of Indians refused the dead soul injection and took Ivermectin.
The Buddha takes care of his players, just like The Jesus.
You can only laugh maniacally as the exit back to sovereignty.

wiser because they live long enough to actually reach wisdom instead of having to die just as their 'real' life is only just beginning...

Your dead alright. It was inevitable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMRqN0m5c-M
It's not about age or years or wisdom or any fanciful construct or notion.
It is about cause and effect management and not losing track of your
own input to this world and its output.

CAUSE - EFFECT - CAUSE - EFFECT


If you share anything make sure it kills the mouse who eats it.
Your refusal to live in all five kingdoms simultaneously doomed
you to live in an ever shrinking cosmos equation. "The Life of Brian"

I alone know "WHY" and "HOW"
Read the story, the virus, the dead soul in your veins.
I told you my input, computated your cosmos and you live it. Thhttps://groups.google.com/g/alt.dreams.castaneda/c/eiOlCZn6wXc

i.e., in the vast majority of cases, unless they're particularly intelligent,

I used to laugh when Eva would tagged banal generalizations like that
as "The Wall of Jello" Say it loud and proud "I HATE WALLY WORLD"

it takes a human being around 50 or 60 years to even 'start'

That's a rationalization of your failure to manage cause and effect.

calming down enough to really start getting their shit together,

You'll never understand free will and cause and effect.
Arthur V. Brian
You had a delusion we were friends.
You had a delusion I betrayed a delusional friendship.
You hallucinated-time traveled to your day as a football referee at fifteen. Your consciousness coalesced from that era back to:
Original Dispute - Brian In Reform School https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.dreams.castaneda/YQhMgXkffD0

You built a time bridge.
I shoot you every time you cross it.
Like Hitler and Einstein your a puppet
in a puppet show who gets played and danced.

all those
years of following fashions and getting rowdy with their mates,

Till Mr Soul and Mr. Time and Mr. Death
hand you your Book of Life and the pages are blank.
Bitterness and revenge don't win wars.

a near
lifetime of following some kinda career/belief-system and of making ends meet, of having families and getting homes together to pass on to them;

I believe your negation of all things human suits you.
Yet what if Wally World is a clock and a scoreboard for potatoes
that want to become Mr. Potato Heads. What if time and space
reflect the quanta and what if quanta reflects the info realm.
What if I turned you into a sewage treatment plant.
You laugh at Thang and Chris for "Playing The Human Game"
Yet you envy their funny Mr Potato Head noses and eyes and
shoes and ears, because your geometry stopped you from getting
them. So you started a cult hoping to steal some. But it was in vain.
Hence your helicopter dream.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyJU2136ym4

I can be alone forever eternally.
You couldn't hack a single lifetime.
This is how I bridge realm 1-3
https://youtu.be/_NvZEXZTqLg
"Been forty days since I don't know when
I just saw her with my best friend
Do you know what I mean?
Lord, do you know what I mean?"

Mr. Eight always protects the girl.
He doesn't realize all this happened a long time ago.

Her and Bobby were steppin out
Her and Bobby didn't know I found out
Do you know what I mean?
Do you know, know what I mean?

Don't meditate on this scene Meta Date
https://youtu.be/dF1RXJoiG44

Bob like you hated women.
Eventually Mr. Eight finds Truth-Love.
He promptly destroys this cosmos detailed above
as the three event nuclear genocide, event three is inevitable.
Just like the geometry of your three delusions.
You had a delusion we were friends.
You had a delusion I betrayed a delusional friendship.
You had a delusion of revenge.

On April 07-2048 the sun terminates earth.
The eternal realm terminates the cosmos equation.
This world is the mirage that floats in the middle of
two equations. The real world is information.

ALL our time is literally taken up with all this frenetic crap and it's
only when we've been saturated with it that we start to feel sated, at
which point we then usually die from old age should we have been lucky enough to even last that long??

You only exist in others minds.
Your a parasite that tried to feed on Charlie's corpse.
You grew sicker and sicker and died from necromancy.
The practice of communicating with the dead, in order to predict the future. There are no predictions, only acts of will-momentum and the management
and resolution of the effects they generate.

You play on level 1-2 never 1-5.
The game is to guess God's (Strategy) name... "Hallowed Be Thy Name."
or as updated by Charlie, guess the "Abstract Cores" of The Death Defier.
The point is not to win the game, the point is to play the game.
The game is unwinnable as perfection, but there is a ranking of
who came closest to approximating the forms and styles that
generate the momentum. Charlie did quite well. He is a friend of Mr. Soul. Charlie understands Mr. Death's plight, as does Jesus and Siddhartha
as does "The Gasoli Brothers"
https://youtu.be/mns9VeRguys?t=13
King Arthur, and Chief Massasoit are pretty clever too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massasoit
A meta index.
Siddhartha-Jesus-Arthur-Massasoit-Arthur.
1-3-5 V. 2-4
When you say "There are many Jesus's"
I reply "Only one Jesus built a calendar."
Your made from a mold called "Ontological Nihilist"

"Ontological Nihilism is the radical-sounding thesis
that there is nothing at all. Almost everyone believes
that it is false. ... Ontology, Quine tells us, asks what there is;
and while this ontological question...
can be answered in a word — 'everything' —
there is still room for disagreement about cases."

Is that not the theme of your state and this article. https://marcsandersfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/paper_Turner.pdf

I am neither self nor other I am nothing
I am neither self nor other I am anything
I am neither self nor other I am everything
I am neither self nor other I am something

Nothing is outside the circle.
Anything crosses the circle to exist
Everything crosses the circle to exist
Something is the point in the center of the circle

Nothing and Something are The Eternal
Anything and Everything is The Infinite Set
The Five Eternal Abstracts in The Point measure The Infinite
The Infinite is not measurable, hence "Continuity"
By pitting the unmeasurable against the indestructable creation exists.

Pure-Full-True-Whole-Natural (Momentum)
19. Jesus said, "Congratulations to the one who came into being
before coming into being.
If you become my disciples and pay attention to my sayings,
these stones will serve you.
For there are five trees in Paradise for you; they do not
change, summer or winter, and their leaves do not fall. Whoever
knows them will not taste death."

VERSES

Pure-Full-True-Eternal-Infinite.

16. Jesus said, "Perhaps people think that I have come to cast
peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast
conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war.

For there will be five in a house: there'll be three against two
and two against three, father against son and son against
father, and they will stand alone."

The virtual space between me and Mr Eight is The Mirage.
The Mirage is the Two Girls. All of us gate phase and toll
through each other in this and every world except the info realm.
There I am alone forever and can only shed duplications of
the cores interacting. When the nuclear genocides occurred
I created this self to insure genocide three completes the equation.
So you long journey to wisdom is for naught.
Each subscriber to this cosmos is a single point of light
housed in a diamond cube becoming The Nothing once more.

When I assaulted Chris and he turned the other cheek.
He won the Jesus game prize BRIDGE 2-3-4 as Full Self
resolved. Hence I never was an aggressor or defender again
in his direction, that would be pointless repetition - "insanity"

"A warrior has nothing to defend."

From my perspective their are many humans who are
superior to me in their ability to be well rounded human beings.
You and the Saucy Aussie do not qualify you have become feral.
In war there are no excuses only strategic overviews generating
lattices of tactical application. "Threading The Needle Of Time"

that if only human beings lived longer, say 300 years instead of only an average of 70,

https://transhumanist-party.org/tag/david-wood/things on this planet would likely be very different

indeed...

You committed suicide with nuclear weapons as explained above.
You hit yourself in the head with a hammer twice and fell into a single point. I am reviewing the data patterns and fractured identity repositories.
The blast struck many other cosmos that repaired themselves.
This cosmos is unable to fathom it has died, it became "The Truman Show."

The Truman Show
https://youtu.be/Gn5kuDdeGzs

This is "The King James" bible show.
Radiohead - Karma Police
https://youtu.be/1uYWYWPc9HU

You go to The Nothing and end up back in a Movie.
Afraid to let go, and set sail on the great ocean.
I was the "Ontological Nihilist" that you and Thang are.
Until I built a world that is private and alone.
Self referencing, self computating, where I sleep.

for instance: we'd probably spend the first 100 years just growing up, ya know? working our way through it all and getting all that societal-crap outta the way; finances, families, houses et-al, the whole works in the majority of cases, even amongst them that didn't do too well the first
time around and say spent time long times in prison; the ageing process nevertheless puts everything into a different perspective and, apart from
a few exceptions

The exceptions prove the rule.
You sure everyone is crazy except you.
The way you perceive the world is who you are.
You lost track of cause and effect and became a puddle
of chaos composed of bits and all colors blended into
a single point. Your prison is self constructed and the
only way to escape is create a new self. Hence your
revulsion when I speak of my "other" self.

Transformation
1.The person you are
2. The person who wants to change
3.The person who does the changing
4. The person you become.
5. The person who moves on

It can be encoded many ways, reread the 2v3 = 3v2 by Jesus above.
or the two talks to the four as in "masked and anonymous" https://youtu.be/EV3bv0bY8h0

(the mentally incurable perhaps) we slowly begin to

wise-up anyway, coming around more and more to just the wonder of living
and being alive itself...

Borderline Personalty disorder is like rough weather and a small leak
in a sailboat. If you accept it and strategize for it, it becomes just
another passenger on the bus you are driving. John and Bob survived it

having gotten all that earthly + young crap outta the way (having
worked-off all that karma heh) the second 100 years would perforce be very likely lived entirely differently altogether... the desires and urges of youth having now burned away/been-exhausted we'd likely set out on a different quest altogether, one probably filled with the study of
literature and history and whatever else takes people's fancy, the less academically inclined (and/or perhaps those who feel they've already absorbed/exhausted that entire body of information) living almost like zen monks and exploring life that way...

To pursue anything is to create a new nothing
Each sailor must build their own boat and set sail."
You still seek old equations and answers instead
of being 1-3-5 from above as Pilot-Captain-Navigator.
You fear the death of the old self who must die to create the new self.
This is how I experience death, I create a cosmos enter it and die.
Your just along for the ride until you set sail into The Nothing.

Brandy
https://youtu.be/9mmx5UgSbnE

having been through ALL that, and survived, our last 100 years would thus
be the glory of humankind, the passion & confusion of youth, the searching to understand during our middle-aged years, followed by then 100 MORE
years of living completely in-harmony with life, the universe &
everything,

Cause and effect prevents that outcome.
This cosmos is the cancer that attempted
to kill the other cosmos. Nuclear Genocide.
When did you ever live in harmony with "Other"

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From: slider@anashram.com

like they say in the movie (no time to die)
"you have all the time in the world to live)

### - only about 15 cosmic minutes actually, we appearing & disappearing
in the blink of a cosmic eye in that sense & scale, the tragic part being
that most people would likely reach our human maximum if only given long enough?

as it is, there's a mad scramble to get all our shit together in only a
quarter of the time required to reach that max more naturally, so not everyone's gonna be able to make it...

and that digs at my heart-strings somewhat, is all, at such a terrible
waste? (some of those people are lovely!)

the equivalent of turtles having to lay say around 200 eggs just to make
sure at least one or 2 of their offspring survive to repeat the cycle, 198
to 1 representing the forces of adversity arrayed against it ever
happening and so nature creeps just over those odds in order to minimally succeed (which is mind blowing in some ways huh, coz the same crazy odds
prolly applies to us humans as well just reaching our max kinda thing,
facts of life shit...)

so meantime we have a horse tomorrow
at Santa Anita (Calif) in the 8th race.
Durante is the number 1 horse. don't know
much about him, but he is up against a couple
of Baffart horses. show money would be smart
bet in this case. we'll see how he or she does.
place your bets bitches

### - been having some good priced single wins recently (14's/1 and 25/1 + others) even a couple of decent doubles of several 100 to 1, but alas no trebles of late (my minimum payout-line) so it's all been kind of bit
boring coz of that (a treble = 3-up on the same bet and is the minimum
worth having in that sense, it's like reaching the 3rd floor... 4-up (the
4th floor) is something really quite notable and usually pays well, and
you'll certainly notice the difference! whereas 5-up is like genius-level
haha if'n ya see what i mean; if ya pick 5 horses and all 5 win ya might
never have to bet again if'n the odds are good enough, and although it's actually asking a lot to win maybe a 200,000/1 shot like that it's still
vastly more attainable than backing the lottery with odds of nearly half a billion to 1 ;)

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

if ya pick 5 horses and all 5 win ya might
never have to bet again if'n the odds are good enough, and although it's actually asking a lot to win maybe a 200,000/1 shot like that it's still vastly more attainable than backing the lottery with odds of nearly half a billion to 1 ;)

old joke, ready ?

the guy is up on the podium at the lottery and big cheese sez
to him so how does it feel to win all that money?
the guy sez i'm only down 2 million now.

ha ha can't get ahead in this life no way

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

like they say in the movie (no time to die)
"you have all the time in the world to live)

so meantime we have a horse tomorrow
at Santa Anita (Calif) in the 8th race.
Durante is the number 1 horse. don't know
much about him, but he is up against a couple
of Baffart horses. show money would be smart
bet in this case. we'll see how he or she does.
place your bets bitches

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From: libertidad@south.south.com

I was away doing other, real life stuff. You know, the sort of stuff
you never did in your 64 years on planet earth.

The sort of stuff normal people do. Getting out in the sun, relating
to people, going to lunches and dinners, etc etc. Planning finances,
buying nice things like my last really nice Jap made Seiko diver watch
(auto, hacking). Got one Rolex and five nice Seiko autos now, time
for another Rolex perhaps?

Brian, you is one fucking lying cunt. How could you think you could
get away with it? Especially when you leave your spoor (look it up)
all over the place - even cats bury their spoor because where they
evolved, there were plenty of nasty predators around who smelt the
droppings and then went looking for the cats, to eat. North Africa I
believe is where they evolved.

There's a bit of a parable buried in there. It's also wise on the net
when one is hashing out bullshit by the bucket load NOT TO LEAVE YOUR
SPOOR ALL OVER THE PLACE.

Like the edge of the world on those old maps before the world was
acknowledged as round and spherical, "HERE THERE BE MONSTERS",

Lol to you, buddy.


On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 10:43:44 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

### - well, it seems to have gone suddenly very quiet around here since >applying the killfile to our 2 last resident loonies heh (peace at last in >shantytown? lol thaaat'll beee the daaay!) :)

so will tell ya's a story in the meantime about a perhaps wiser humanity, >wiser because they live long enough to actually reach wisdom instead of >having to die just as their 'real' life is only just beginning...

i.e., in the vast majority of cases, unless they're particularly
intelligent, it takes a human being around 50 or 60 years to even 'start' >calming down enough to really start getting their shit together, all those >years of following fashions and getting rowdy with their mates, a near >lifetime of following some kinda career/belief-system and of making ends >meet, of having families and getting homes together to pass on to them;
ALL our time is literally taken up with all this frenetic crap and it's
only when we've been saturated with it that we start to feel sated, at
which point we then usually die from old age should we have been lucky
enough to even last that long??

that if only human beings lived longer, say 300 years instead of only an >average of 70, things on this planet would likely be very different
indeed...

for instance: we'd probably spend the first 100 years just growing up, ya >know? working our way through it all and getting all that societal-crap
outta the way; finances, families, houses et-al, the whole works in the >majority of cases, even amongst them that didn't do too well the first
time around and say spent time long times in prison; the ageing process >nevertheless puts everything into a different perspective and, apart from
a few exceptions (the mentally incurable perhaps) we slowly begin to
wise-up anyway, coming around more and more to just the wonder of living
and being alive itself...

having gotten all that earthly + young crap outta the way (having
worked-off all that karma heh) the second 100 years would perforce be very >likely lived entirely differently altogether... the desires and urges of >youth having now burned away/been-exhausted we'd likely set out on a >different quest altogether, one probably filled with the study of
literature and history and whatever else takes people's fancy, the less >academically inclined (and/or perhaps those who feel they've already >absorbed/exhausted that entire body of information) living almost like zen >monks and exploring life that way...

having been through ALL that, and survived, our last 100 years would thus
be the glory of humankind, the passion & confusion of youth, the searching
to understand during our middle-aged years, followed by then 100 MORE
years of living completely in-harmony with life, the universe &
everything, for real, our world and culture would be a very different
place, run and organised by genuinely educated + very wise and experienced >people... if there was such a thing possible as 'heaven on earth' we'd be >living it and it would probably be very beautiful...

alas though we only live to around 70 or so, cut-off in our prime JUST as >we're actually beginning to finally see through ALL that crap and passion
of youth that had created such prolonged confusion and suffering in the
first place, and that my friends is kinda sad is it not? it's as though we >always lose by default!

it's like in that movie 'Logans Run' where everyone is set-up to only live
to 30, no one ever ageing enough to even question anything, a tiny clique >amongst them suspecting that something's not quite right with everything >they've been led to believe but don't know exactly what, only that there's >more to it all, them choosing to take their chances and 'run' rather than >just die when their time is up, no one knowing what really happens to them >once they escape, IF they escape that is, and aren't killed by the
'Sandmen' hired to stop them!

our 2 heroes do manage to escape for real, however, only to discover that >they are the first to do so, that the city they escaped from is thus a lie >and a farce set-up only to preserve life after a nuclear war, the movie >ending on a hopeful note when everyone there ("all the young people") are >then later forced to abandon the city and live outside where they
ultimately belong but which humanity had sadly forgotten all about...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKdPjwmNSlY

good movie! maybe even a true story albeit in hollywood code...

;)

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