• Is there a philosophy to lucid dreaming?

    From slider@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, October 05, 2021 18:21:44
    From: slider@anashram.com

    Is there a philosophy to lucid dreaming? Is there something, a meaning
    behind it all? There undoubtedly is, albeit currently hidden from view,
    and discovering, unravelling and understanding that philosophy is
    obviously going to take time and experience, not because it’s particularly difficult but because it’s a whole new field of endeavour containing as
    yet unrealised reference points. The implications and ramifications of
    this hypothesis, I’m wagering, could well be far-reaching, if not immense,
    in terms of obtaining a greater understanding of ourselves and the nature
    of the world around us.

    Does lucid dreaming expand the mind?

    Yes! Being unconscious in our dreams mirrors just how unconscious and
    asleep we are in our waking lives, which from a waking point of view is an irremediable situation per se. One avenue for redemption remains, however,
    in that with awareness it’s always a two-way street because, change one
    and you effectively change the other!

    The end result (of lucid dreaming) is to make people more thoughtful and
    aware of their waking surroundings and the lives they're living. This is because becoming more lucid and aware in dreams automatically carries over
    into becoming more lucid and aware during waking, something which
    ultimately equates with a general increase in awareness overall.

    So yes, lucid dreaming does genuinely expand the mind!

    --closing remarks from: 'The WILDway To Lucid Dreaming' by slider...

    :)

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  • From o'Mahoney@1:229/2 to All on Monday, October 11, 2021 13:36:15
    From: libertidad@south.south.com

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6874013/

    Essentially, LD is a hybrid sleep state which interferes with regular
    sleep state and therefore decreases sleep health. Any regular
    interference with normal sleep, which has evolved over hundreds of
    millions of years, is detrimental to health.

    So, a philosophy of disturbed/hybrid sleep? I doubt it.



    On Tue, 05 Oct 2021 18:21:44 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    Is there a philosophy to lucid dreaming? Is there something, a meaning
    behind it all? There undoubtedly is, albeit currently hidden from view,
    and discovering, unravelling and understanding that philosophy is
    obviously going to take time and experience, not because it’s particularly >difficult but because it’s a whole new field of endeavour containing as
    yet unrealised reference points. The implications and ramifications of
    this hypothesis, I’m wagering, could well be far-reaching, if not immense, >in terms of obtaining a greater understanding of ourselves and the nature
    of the world around us.

    Does lucid dreaming expand the mind?

    Yes! Being unconscious in our dreams mirrors just how unconscious and
    asleep we are in our waking lives, which from a waking point of view is an >irremediable situation per se. One avenue for redemption remains, however,
    in that with awareness it’s always a two-way street because, change one
    and you effectively change the other!

    The end result (of lucid dreaming) is to make people more thoughtful and >aware of their waking surroundings and the lives they're living. This is >because becoming more lucid and aware in dreams automatically carries over >into becoming more lucid and aware during waking, something which
    ultimately equates with a general increase in awareness overall.

    So yes, lucid dreaming does genuinely expand the mind!

    --closing remarks from: 'The WILDway To Lucid Dreaming' by slider...

    :)

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  • From o'Mahoney@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, October 12, 2021 07:41:52
    From: libertidad@south.south.com

    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 18:08:53 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 06:36:15 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com> >wrote:


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6874013/

    Essentially, LD is a hybrid sleep state which interferes with regular
    sleep state and therefore decreases sleep health. Any regular
    interference with normal sleep, which has evolved over hundreds of
    millions of years, is detrimental to health.

    So, a philosophy of disturbed/hybrid sleep? I doubt it.

    ### - it's not yer' usual subject heh + the vast majority actually report
    an energising effect; a kinda post-lucidity afterglow, one wherein one
    feels anything but ill and actually super-charged, one thus feels young
    and fit + mentally and emotionally invigorated, just as though one's
    battery has been somehow magically topped right up to the brim heh... such >homogeneously good feelings right across the world + spread over 60 years
    or so via multiple different people's experience (including our chris & >jeremy + many others here too) belying your assertion to the contrary...

    Rubbish. Jeremy/David led such a chaotic lifestyle (divorced, living
    with different people in different houses etc) that he would have been suffering interrupted sleep without the added bother of trying to
    train himself to enter a controlled dreamstate through further
    interruption to primeval, proven, healthy sleep patterns. Chris, who
    a while back said unequivocally that he was going to leave this place
    - and then returned - seems to have declined at least when his present utterances here are compared with his utterances from a decade or so
    ago and I can guarantee he has not the time (left), the patience or
    the self discipline to attempt what you spell out in your tome. Me,
    well I'm just a born in the wool cynic who has a low opinion (yep, I
    do opine occasionally) of bullshit artists and scammers like you,
    especially after monster lies are told by the same person (you) - like
    your shared paternity with a famous American actor and his well known
    sister AND your colossal porkie pie about having one of the world's
    HIGHEST IQ's.



    iow: 'opine' based on hearsay & ignorance all ya want (if that's all ya
    can do heh: life merely from an armchair pov?) just don't knock it until >you've actually tried it mate, and coz then you'd likely be singin' a >completely different tune altogether, and 'might' then even maybe want-in
    on the exclusive publishing rights to oz and beyond haha ;)


    I value sleep more and more as I age. Along with my strict exercise,
    weights and jogging regime, and my wife's Mediterranean cooking, it
    has an elevated position in keeping me highly functional as time goes
    on. There is NO WAY I would start interrupting it on the say-so of
    the likes of you, mate. No way. My dreams, especially if I've had a
    nice little pipe before retiring, are entertaining enough.








    On Tue, 05 Oct 2021 18:21:44 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    Is there a philosophy to lucid dreaming? Is there something, a meaning
    behind it all? There undoubtedly is, albeit currently hidden from view,
    and discovering, unravelling and understanding that philosophy is
    obviously going to take time and experience, not because it’s
    particularly
    difficult but because it’s a whole new field of endeavour containing as >>> yet unrealised reference points. The implications and ramifications of
    this hypothesis, I’m wagering, could well be far-reaching, if not
    immense,
    in terms of obtaining a greater understanding of ourselves and the
    nature
    of the world around us.

    Does lucid dreaming expand the mind?

    Yes! Being unconscious in our dreams mirrors just how unconscious and
    asleep we are in our waking lives, which from a waking point of view is
    an
    irremediable situation per se.

    What is this "per se" bullshit of yours Brian? That's the sort of
    pretentious nonsense time wasters and semi-literate types utter when
    they haven't anything left in their limited vocubularies but still
    need to say something lest the audience think they are empty headed
    scammers.

    So, tell me, how does saying "per se" add to your nonsensical
    semi-assertion that "being unconscious in our dreams mirrors just how unconscious and asleep we are in our waking lives..." (vomit)?

    I mean, what the fuck are you trying to say here?

    You should be working in a Manilla call centre you have such a command
    of HM's English lol



    One avenue for redemption remains,
    however,
    in that with awareness it’s always a two-way street because, change one >>> and you effectively change the other!

    The end result (of lucid dreaming) is to make people more thoughtful and >>> aware of their waking surroundings and the lives they're living. This is >>> because becoming more lucid and aware in dreams automatically carries
    over
    into becoming more lucid and aware during waking, something which
    ultimately equates with a general increase in awareness overall.

    So yes, lucid dreaming does genuinely expand the mind!

    --closing remarks from: 'The WILDway To Lucid Dreaming' by slider...

    :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Monday, October 11, 2021 18:08:53
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 06:36:15 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com> wrote:


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6874013/

    Essentially, LD is a hybrid sleep state which interferes with regular
    sleep state and therefore decreases sleep health. Any regular
    interference with normal sleep, which has evolved over hundreds of
    millions of years, is detrimental to health.

    So, a philosophy of disturbed/hybrid sleep? I doubt it.

    ### - it's not yer' usual subject heh + the vast majority actually report
    an energising effect; a kinda post-lucidity afterglow, one wherein one
    feels anything but ill and actually super-charged, one thus feels young
    and fit + mentally and emotionally invigorated, just as though one's
    battery has been somehow magically topped right up to the brim heh... such homogeneously good feelings right across the world + spread over 60 years
    or so via multiple different people's experience (including our chris &
    jeremy + many others here too) belying your assertion to the contrary...

    iow: 'opine' based on hearsay & ignorance all ya want (if that's all ya
    can do heh: life merely from an armchair pov?) just don't knock it until
    you've actually tried it mate, and coz then you'd likely be singin' a completely different tune altogether, and 'might' then even maybe want-in
    on the exclusive publishing rights to oz and beyond haha ;)








    On Tue, 05 Oct 2021 18:21:44 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    Is there a philosophy to lucid dreaming? Is there something, a meaning
    behind it all? There undoubtedly is, albeit currently hidden from view,
    and discovering, unravelling and understanding that philosophy is
    obviously going to take time and experience, not because it’s
    particularly
    difficult but because it’s a whole new field of endeavour containing as
    yet unrealised reference points. The implications and ramifications of
    this hypothesis, I’m wagering, could well be far-reaching, if not
    immense,
    in terms of obtaining a greater understanding of ourselves and the
    nature
    of the world around us.

    Does lucid dreaming expand the mind?

    Yes! Being unconscious in our dreams mirrors just how unconscious and
    asleep we are in our waking lives, which from a waking point of view is
    an
    irremediable situation per se. One avenue for redemption remains,
    however,
    in that with awareness it’s always a two-way street because, change one
    and you effectively change the other!

    The end result (of lucid dreaming) is to make people more thoughtful and
    aware of their waking surroundings and the lives they're living. This is
    because becoming more lucid and aware in dreams automatically carries
    over
    into becoming more lucid and aware during waking, something which
    ultimately equates with a general increase in awareness overall.

    So yes, lucid dreaming does genuinely expand the mind!

    --closing remarks from: 'The WILDway To Lucid Dreaming' by slider...

    :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, October 12, 2021 05:14:29
    From: slider@anashram.com

    ### - lol thang, you really 'are' just one of those sicko internet trolls aren't you :D

    what a shame, plus what a waste of a human life to end up being just one
    of those eh? your 'huge' intellect not saving ya from such an ignominious
    fate (obviously it just wasn't big enough heh)

    sooo anyway, and even though you 'keep' trying to get my attention by
    replying negatively to virtually 'everything' i post heh (slider silently mouths the words: i am sooo popular lol) am done wasting any more energy
    on you and it's back into the killfile with ya, permanently this time, and
    with no chance of parole for good behaviour this time either lol (this
    makin' me feel so right-wing at this moment, heh, am thinking trump would prolly be proud of moi LOL) :)))

    you now being a 3rd-time troll-loser so to speak; just 2-clicks of this software and i neverrrr have to see any of your (or macey's) crap ever
    again unless say chris responds to you's and i see some of it that-a-way,
    but that's about it buddy, second-hand, and wont be responding directly
    ever again... (i really 'did' give you every chance sport! made damn sure
    of it! lol)

    so cya mate, it's been, erm, nice knowin' ya + have a good life, &
    sincerely hope you find something perhaps a little more worthy in life
    than being just another internet fucking troll (you're a pretty good
    troll, will grant ya that, one of cc's genuine petty-tyrants in that
    sense, but that's still just being a reprobate troll innit, thus utterly fucking useless/hopeless...)

    Internet troll:
    In internet slang, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory, insincere, digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, with
    the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses, or manipulating others' perception. --Wikipedia

    (slider slowly disappears off into the mist, singing/humming:

    Bye baby baby bye bye
    Bye baby baby bye bye...)






    On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 00:41:52 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 18:08:53 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 06:36:15 +0100, o'Mahoney
    <libertidad@south.south.com>
    wrote:


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6874013/

    Essentially, LD is a hybrid sleep state which interferes with regular
    sleep state and therefore decreases sleep health. Any regular
    interference with normal sleep, which has evolved over hundreds of
    millions of years, is detrimental to health.

    So, a philosophy of disturbed/hybrid sleep? I doubt it.

    ### - it's not yer' usual subject heh + the vast majority actually
    report
    an energising effect; a kinda post-lucidity afterglow, one wherein one
    feels anything but ill and actually super-charged, one thus feels young
    and fit + mentally and emotionally invigorated, just as though one's
    battery has been somehow magically topped right up to the brim heh...
    such
    homogeneously good feelings right across the world + spread over 60
    years
    or so via multiple different people's experience (including our chris &
    jeremy + many others here too) belying your assertion to the contrary...

    Rubbish. Jeremy/David led such a chaotic lifestyle (divorced, living
    with different people in different houses etc) that he would have been suffering interrupted sleep without the added bother of trying to
    train himself to enter a controlled dreamstate through further
    interruption to primeval, proven, healthy sleep patterns. Chris, who
    a while back said unequivocally that he was going to leave this place
    - and then returned - seems to have declined at least when his present utterances here are compared with his utterances from a decade or so
    ago and I can guarantee he has not the time (left), the patience or
    the self discipline to attempt what you spell out in your tome. Me,
    well I'm just a born in the wool cynic who has a low opinion (yep, I
    do opine occasionally) of bullshit artists and scammers like you,
    especially after monster lies are told by the same person (you) - like
    your shared paternity with a famous American actor and his well known
    sister AND your colossal porkie pie about having one of the world's
    HIGHEST IQ's.



    iow: 'opine' based on hearsay & ignorance all ya want (if that's all ya
    can do heh: life merely from an armchair pov?) just don't knock it until
    you've actually tried it mate, and coz then you'd likely be singin' a
    completely different tune altogether, and 'might' then even maybe
    want-in
    on the exclusive publishing rights to oz and beyond haha ;)


    I value sleep more and more as I age. Along with my strict exercise,
    weights and jogging regime, and my wife's Mediterranean cooking, it
    has an elevated position in keeping me highly functional as time goes
    on. There is NO WAY I would start interrupting it on the say-so of
    the likes of you, mate. No way. My dreams, especially if I've had a
    nice little pipe before retiring, are entertaining enough.








    On Tue, 05 Oct 2021 18:21:44 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    Is there a philosophy to lucid dreaming? Is there something, a meaning >>>> behind it all? There undoubtedly is, albeit currently hidden from
    view,
    and discovering, unravelling and understanding that philosophy is
    obviously going to take time and experience, not because it’s
    particularly
    difficult but because it’s a whole new field of endeavour containing >>>> as
    yet unrealised reference points. The implications and ramifications of >>>> this hypothesis, I’m wagering, could well be far-reaching, if not
    immense,
    in terms of obtaining a greater understanding of ourselves and the
    nature
    of the world around us.

    Does lucid dreaming expand the mind?

    Yes! Being unconscious in our dreams mirrors just how unconscious and
    asleep we are in our waking lives, which from a waking point of view
    is
    an
    irremediable situation per se.

    What is this "per se" bullshit of yours Brian? That's the sort of pretentious nonsense time wasters and semi-literate types utter when
    they haven't anything left in their limited vocubularies but still
    need to say something lest the audience think they are empty headed
    scammers.

    So, tell me, how does saying "per se" add to your nonsensical
    semi-assertion that "being unconscious in our dreams mirrors just how unconscious and asleep we are in our waking lives..." (vomit)?

    I mean, what the fuck are you trying to say here?

    You should be working in a Manilla call centre you have such a command
    of HM's English lol



    One avenue for redemption remains,
    however,
    in that with awareness it’s always a two-way street because, change
    one
    and you effectively change the other!

    The end result (of lucid dreaming) is to make people more thoughtful
    and
    aware of their waking surroundings and the lives they're living. This
    is
    because becoming more lucid and aware in dreams automatically carries
    over
    into becoming more lucid and aware during waking, something which
    ultimately equates with a general increase in awareness overall.

    So yes, lucid dreaming does genuinely expand the mind!

    --closing remarks from: 'The WILDway To Lucid Dreaming' by slider...

    :)



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