• Re: The strange death of American democracy

    From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, September 29, 2021 18:50:01
    From: slider@anashram.com

    headin' for the sweet-spot wrote...

    meanwhile, on the outside is shit boat North Korea
    acting fucking crazy as usual, god knows how whacked
    they will get. And then you got old China gettin' ready to
    to whip some ass in Taiwan. Dark horses? I wouldn't
    concern myself too much with each political party in America.
    They seem to bullshit their way through just about anything.

    ### - if it was just 'american' politics i wouldn't even bother heh, but
    it's basically the same system here and everywhere else too? left versus
    right, and the resulting tortured/staggered-path humanity has followed
    because of that whole push-me-pull-you system to date!

    part of the problem with n.korea being that, like several others, they
    hate & fear our 'system' coz they gots their 'own' system, see? and who
    can blame them! coz we're almost completely nuts over here lol :D (fucking nuts! being a much better description haha, batshit crazy i'd say lol)

    the west looking at/seeing 'them' as being a 'competing' ideology, see?
    one we have to either convert to OUR ways OR eliminate altogether! (no
    middle ground/compromise offered!) so they KNOW we're angling to destroy
    their culture one way or the other before we even START talking!!!

    thus they're current 'posture' is almost completely defensive, ditto
    china... coz it's us that's been creeping-up on THEM for decades rather
    than it being the other way around? (ditto russia too whom we've currently
    gots virtually surrounded under exactly the same pretext!)

    trumpy's idea being to just bomb korea outta existence! millions alas
    would die but no more arguments after that?? (what a solution sheesh!
    millions! then china and russia too i suppose?? riiiiight...)

    and THIS is precisely WHY we needs NEW thinking, see?

    something far less confrontational and competitive! something reasonable!

    something that DOESN'T just always end in... WAR! if/when we... disagree!?

    'co-operation' being the next step/thing needed in order for humanity to survive our dwindling resources and growing populations...

    the only question being: will we be all too confused to make the right
    choice WHEN the time comes?

    the choice with a 'future' as opposed to just an end??

    a genuine gamble! so place yer fuckin' bets! ;)

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  • From chris rodgers@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, September 29, 2021 10:05:21
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    meanwhile, on the outside is shit boat North Korea
    acting fucking crazy as usual, god knows how whacked
    they will get. And then you got old China gettin' ready to
    to whip some ass in Taiwan. Dark horses? I wouldn't
    concern myself too much with each political party in America.
    They seem to bullshit their way through just about anything.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, September 29, 2021 17:12:35
    From: slider@anashram.com

    “An American ‘Caesarism’ has now become flesh.” I wrote this in March 2016, even before Donald Trump had become the Republican nominee for the presidency. Today, the transformation of the democratic republic into an autocracy has advanced. By 2024, it might be irreversible. If this does
    indeed happen, it will change almost everything in the world.

    Nobody has outlined the danger more compellingly than Robert Kagan. His argument can be reduced to two main elements. First, the Republican party
    is defined not by ideology, but by its loyalty to Trump. Second, the
    amateurish “stop the steal” movement of the last election has now morphed into a well-advanced project. One part of this project is to remove
    officials who stopped Trump’s effort to reverse the results in 2020. But
    its main aim is to shift responsibility for deciding electoral outcomes to Republican-controlled legislatures.

    https://www.ft.com/content/a2e499d0-10f0-4fa2-8243-e23eedc4f9f4

    Thus, health permitting, Trump will be the next Republican candidate. He
    will be backed by a party that is now his tool. Most important, in the
    words of David Frum, erstwhile speechwriter for George W Bush, “what the United States did not have before 2020 was a large national movement
    willing to justify mob violence to claim political power. Now it does.” It does so because its members believe their opponents are not “real” Americans. A liberal democracy cannot long endure if a major party
    believes defeat is illegitimate and must be rendered impossible.

    Here is a political leader who has ousted anybody who opposes him from positions of influence in his party. He believes himself unjustly
    persecuted, defines reality for his followers and insists that a
    legitimate election is one he wins. A constitutional crisis looms. The
    2024 election, warns Kagan, could bring “chaos. Imagine weeks of competing mass protests across multiple states as lawmakers from both parties claim victory and charge the other with unconstitutional efforts to take power.”

    Assume that Trump is re-elected, legitimately or by manipulation. One must assume that his naive and incompetent approach to the wielding of power in
    his first term will not be repeated. He must now understand that he will
    need devoted loyalists, of whom there will be plenty, to run the
    departments responsible for justice, homeland security, internal revenue, espionage and defence. He will surely put officers personally loyal to
    himself in charge of the armed forces. Not least, he will get his loyal Republican party, as it will be, to confirm the people he chooses, if it
    holds the needed Senate majority, as is highly likely to be the case.

    Equally surely, he will use the pressure that he can then exert on the
    wealthy and influential to bring them into line. Crony capitalism is among
    the probabilities. Ask the Hungarians who live in an “illiberal democracy” under a man admired by US rightwing pundits.

    “Americans — and all but a handful of politicians — have refused to take this possibility seriously enough to try to prevent it”, notes Kagan. “As has so often been the case in other countries where fascist leaders arise, their would-be opponents are paralysed in confusion and amazement at this charismatic authoritarian.”

    Just consider what happened during Trump’s intended coup against the 2020 election and how Republican legislators and supporters have since rallied
    round in order to prevent anybody important, above all Trump himself, from being held accountable. The only significant players who have been
    punished are those who resisted or condemned the coup. The Republicans
    have crossed their Rubicon already.

    Why has this happened? The answer is a mix of greed, ambition and anger in
    a country that has grown increasingly diverse and an economy that has
    failed to give secure prosperity to a large proportion of the population.
    This has created a familiar coalition built on “othering” outsiders, glorifying the nation, protecting the wealthy and worshipping a great
    leader. Fifty seven per cent of Republicans consider a bad reaction to the vaccine riskier than Covid-19 itself. This is a measure of tribalism.

    Can a collapse of liberal democracy in the US still be prevented?
    Possibly. But it will not be as easy as many suppose from the failure of Trump’s attempt to overturn the outcome of the 2020 election. He is in
    full control of his party. Should the normal cycle of politics give the Republicans control of the House and Senate, he will be both protected and served by Congress from 2022. He holds, in principle, a big majority in
    the Supreme Court. Republicans also control all branches of government in
    23 states, while the Democrats control only 15. Kagan pins his hopes on a decision by a sufficiently large number of Republican senators to pass
    voting rights legislation and on the refusal of the judiciary to overturn
    such legislation. Yet even those who loathe Trump remain loyal to the
    party. And, as the debt ceiling debate shows, they are determined to make
    Biden fail.

    Suppose Trump comes back to power in 2024, determined to exact vengeance
    on his foes, backed by Congress and the Supreme Court. Yes, even this
    might be just an interlude. Trump is old: his passing might be the end of
    the authoritarian moment. But neither the electoral system nor the
    Republican party will go back to what it was. The latter is now a radical
    party with a reactionary agenda.

    The US is the sole democratic superpower. Its ongoing political
    transformation has deep implications for liberal democracies everywhere,
    as well as for the world’s ability to co-operate on vital tasks, such as managing climate risks. In 2016, one could ignore these dangers. Today,
    one must be blind to do so.

    ### - good article! thus the next US election is gonna be very important
    for the rest of the planet, as the next step in this ongoing 'saga' is a massive/extreme swing one way or the other: either to the far right should
    the gop win it (imho, a dangerous + very volatile situation globally,
    wherein the whole planet will then be oppressed (by them) for a very long
    time to come; possibly even as a prelude to ww3!) - or, an equally huge, possibly permanent swing to the left, one that tends to confirm a
    reactionary change in humanity's thinking generally (i.e., in their
    political awareness & thinking/discernment) that will equally also last
    for a very long time as the right-wing are increasingly chased right outta
    the picture altogether over the next few generations...

    iow: this next 2024 election will very likely be/become a crucial
    watershed moment in humanity's history & path, thus important to everyone
    on the planet because it involves us all going forward!

    personally, i wouldn't give ya tuppence for either wing currently hah! the 'difference' between them being sooo minimal anyway it hardly even makes a difference?? a perhaps 5% difference max in terms of the conditions of the average working man - the majority after all - tops! - otherwise it's just business as usual no matter WHO gets in! (true!)

    hopefully then, if/when the right-wing eventually collapses, the left will
    then morph into some kinda different party altogether, which, like
    s.africa did, 'incorporates' aspects OF the former right-wing rather than
    see it disappear altogether; a right-wing heavily tempered BY the intelligent/more-thoughtful left! (so not a 'huge' change per se, but
    is/was just enough of one to spell survival in an otherwise condemned s.africa...)

    of course... we might just blow our silly-selves up in the meantime and
    have done with it; nada would surprise me anymore hah! coz we really ARE
    that stupid (and retarded) after all!? (damn right we are! humanity is a
    very slow learner!)

    thus the future is uncertain to say the least?? mainly because it's
    currently creeping-up on people completely unawares (they're not really 'thinking' so much as just reacting! and that could easily go either way!)

    what we DO now perhaps even setting the scene for generations to come!

    thus one can only live in hope :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbXWrmQW-OE

    "a hundred million castaways lookin' for a home oh!"

    ;)

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  • From o'Mahoney@1:229/2 to All on Monday, October 11, 2021 13:36:23
    From: libertidad@south.south.com

    On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 18:50:01 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
    wrote:

    headin' for the sweet-spot wrote...

    meanwhile, on the outside is shit boat North Korea
    acting fucking crazy as usual, god knows how whacked
    they will get. And then you got old China gettin' ready to
    to whip some ass in Taiwan. Dark horses? I wouldn't
    concern myself too much with each political party in America.
    They seem to bullshit their way through just about anything.

    ### - if it was just 'american' politics i wouldn't even bother heh, but
    it's basically the same system here and everywhere else too? left versus >right, and the resulting tortured/staggered-path humanity has followed >because of that whole push-me-pull-you system to date!

    part of the problem with n.korea being that, like several others, they
    hate & fear our 'system' coz they gots their 'own' system, see? and who
    can blame them! coz we're almost completely nuts over here lol :D (fucking >nuts! being a much better description haha, batshit crazy i'd say lol)

    Rubbish. They were almost bombed out of existence by the USAF at the
    end of the Korean War, the yanks killed NK men, women and children by
    the hundreds of thousands. *That's* why they hate, literally hate,
    the yanks. Which makes them fucking A1 dangerous, if they get even
    one ICBM on target, say NYC or LA or Chicago, then the yanks will lose
    more people and land (irradiated for thousands of years) in half an
    hour than all previous war tallies put together.

    Don't make stuff up.



    the west looking at/seeing 'them' as being a 'competing' ideology, see?
    one we have to either convert to OUR ways OR eliminate altogether! (no
    middle ground/compromise offered!) so they KNOW we're angling to destroy >their culture one way or the other before we even START talking!!!

    thus they're current 'posture' is almost completely defensive, ditto
    china... coz it's us that's been creeping-up on THEM for decades rather
    than it being the other way around? (ditto russia too whom we've currently >gots virtually surrounded under exactly the same pretext!)

    trumpy's idea being to just bomb korea outta existence! millions alas
    would die but no more arguments after that?? (what a solution sheesh! >millions! then china and russia too i suppose?? riiiiight...)

    and THIS is precisely WHY we needs NEW thinking, see?

    something far less confrontational and competitive! something reasonable!

    something that DOESN'T just always end in... WAR! if/when we... disagree!?

    'co-operation' being the next step/thing needed in order for humanity to >survive our dwindling resources and growing populations...

    the only question being: will we be all too confused to make the right
    choice WHEN the time comes?

    the choice with a 'future' as opposed to just an end??

    a genuine gamble! so place yer fuckin' bets! ;)

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