• Re: Some unanswerable questions...

    From Love@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, August 28, 2021 10:36:36
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    From: no@spam.invalid

    In article <mnekiglokuc19evkrjctmdg1o6jp4j0rof@4ax.com>, libertidad@south.south.com says...
    1. Does God know the last number?
    2. Can God make a rock so heavy that God can't lift it?
    3. Why don't we see discarded prosthetic limbs alongside
    discarded crutches at 'faith healing' events?
    4. We are good and God is infinitely good. We are smart
    and God is infinitely smart. We are kind and God is infinitely kind.
    We are witty and funny, so why isn't God infinitely witty and funny?


    1. Yes.

    2. Sure.

    3. Because prosthetic limbs don't suffer from
    original sin, obviously.

    4. God IS infinitely funny and witty. He made
    you unable to see it just to amuse the rest of us.


    So much for the questions being unanswerable.


    --
    Love

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  • From one@1:229/2 to Love on Saturday, August 28, 2021 07:42:32
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    From: being@apolka.sign

    Love wrote:

    He made
    you unable to see it just to amuse the rest of us.

    Howard be his name.

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  • From o'Mahoney@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, August 28, 2021 21:51:59
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    From: libertidad@south.south.com

    1. Does God know the last number?
    2. Can God make a rock so heavy that God can't lift it?
    3. Why don't we see discarded prosthetic limbs alongside
    discarded crutches at 'faith healing' events?
    4. We are good and God is infinitely good. We are smart
    and God is infinitely smart. We are kind and God is infinitely kind.
    We are witty and funny, so why isn't God infinitely witty and funny?

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  • From aye@1:229/2 to one on Saturday, August 28, 2021 09:47:38
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    From: being@apolka.sign

    one wrote:
    Love wrote:

    He made
    you unable to see it just to amuse the rest of us.

    Howard be his name.

    Art Howard to be and not to be who was
    him who was at the time being and made a
    rock called the Rock which was not to be
    moved and yet was moved by compassion.

    Twas the Stone, aye, rejected and accepted
    by those who threw the first one and then
    suddenly at last it was that being the alpha
    god of all gods and omega, omg, naturally.

    - looking glass houses vary ... Cheers!

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  • From Noah Sombrero@1:229/2 to Love on Saturday, August 28, 2021 13:02:05
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    From: fedora@fea.st

    On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 10:36:36 -0400, Love <no@spam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <mnekiglokuc19evkrjctmdg1o6jp4j0rof@4ax.com>, >libertidad@south.south.com says...
    1. Does God know the last number?
    2. Can God make a rock so heavy that God can't lift it?
    3. Why don't we see discarded prosthetic limbs alongside
    discarded crutches at 'faith healing' events?
    4. We are good and God is infinitely good. We are smart
    and God is infinitely smart. We are kind and God is infinitely kind.
    We are witty and funny, so why isn't God infinitely witty and funny?


    1. Yes.

    2. Sure.

    Also able to lift a rock to big that he would be unable to create it.
    What a guy.

    3. Because prosthetic limbs don't suffer from
    original sin, obviously.

    4. God IS infinitely funny and witty. He made
    you unable to see it just to amuse the rest of us.


    So much for the questions being unanswerable.
    --
    Noah Sombrero

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  • From Noah Sombrero@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, August 28, 2021 13:42:21
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    From: fedora@fea.st

    On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 13:02:05 -0400, Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 10:36:36 -0400, Love <no@spam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <mnekiglokuc19evkrjctmdg1o6jp4j0rof@4ax.com>, >>libertidad@south.south.com says...
    1. Does God know the last number?
    2. Can God make a rock so heavy that God can't lift it?
    3. Why don't we see discarded prosthetic limbs alongside
    discarded crutches at 'faith healing' events?
    4. We are good and God is infinitely good. We are smart
    and God is infinitely smart. We are kind and God is infinitely kind.
    We are witty and funny, so why isn't God infinitely witty and funny?


    1. Yes.

    2. Sure.

    Also able to lift a rock to big that he would be unable to create it.
    What a guy.

    All of which proves that god refuses to be concerned with what we
    don't understand.

    3. Because prosthetic limbs don't suffer from
    original sin, obviously.

    4. God IS infinitely funny and witty. He made
    you unable to see it just to amuse the rest of us.

    But is god able to create a joke that would not make him laugh?


    So much for the questions being unanswerable.
    --
    Noah Sombrero

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  • From Noah Sombrero@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, August 28, 2021 13:48:35
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    From: fedora@fea.st

    On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 13:42:21 -0400, Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 13:02:05 -0400, Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 10:36:36 -0400, Love <no@spam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <mnekiglokuc19evkrjctmdg1o6jp4j0rof@4ax.com>, >>>libertidad@south.south.com says...
    1. Does God know the last number?
    2. Can God make a rock so heavy that God can't lift it?
    3. Why don't we see discarded prosthetic limbs alongside
    discarded crutches at 'faith healing' events?
    4. We are good and God is infinitely good. We are smart
    and God is infinitely smart. We are kind and God is infinitely kind.
    We are witty and funny, so why isn't God infinitely witty and funny?


    1. Yes.

    2. Sure.

    Also able to lift a rock to big that he would be unable to create it.
    What a guy.

    All of which proves that god refuses to be concerned with what we
    don't understand.

    3. Because prosthetic limbs don't suffer from
    original sin, obviously.

    4. God IS infinitely funny and witty. He made
    you unable to see it just to amuse the rest of us.

    But is god able to create a joke that would not make him laugh?

    better phrasing:
    so funny that he would not be able to laugh?


    So much for the questions being unanswerable.
    --
    Noah Sombrero

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  • From ansaman@1:229/2 to o'Mahoney on Sunday, August 29, 2021 00:48:29
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    From: ansaman@gmail.com

    On 8/28/2021 9:51 AM, o'Mahoney wrote:
    We are good and God is infinitely good. We are smart
    and God is infinitely smart. We are kind and God is infinitely kind.
    We are witty and funny, so why isn't God infinitely witty and funny?

    He is... you just don't get the joke!

    --
    **The AnsaMan**
    Stupor Mundi!

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  • From hmmm@1:229/2 to ansaman on Sunday, August 29, 2021 03:26:19
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    From: being@apolka.sign

    ansaman wrote:
    On 8/28/2021 9:51 AM, o'Mahoney wrote:

    We are good and God is infinitely good. We are smart
    and God is infinitely smart. We are kind and God is infinitely kind.
    We are witty and funny, so why isn't God infinitely witty and funny?

    He is... you just don't get the joke!

    https://theconversation.com/what-the-early-church-thought-about-gods-gender-100077

    << early Christian writings and texts, all
    refer to God in feminine terms.>>

    - hm3

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  • From o'Mahoney@1:229/2 to Love on Sunday, September 05, 2021 18:28:18
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    From: libertidad@south.south.com

    On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 10:36:36 -0400, Love <no@spam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <mnekiglokuc19evkrjctmdg1o6jp4j0rof@4ax.com>, >libertidad@south.south.com says...
    1. Does God know the last number?
    2. Can God make a rock so heavy that God can't lift it?
    3. Why don't we see discarded prosthetic limbs alongside
    discarded crutches at 'faith healing' events?
    4. We are good and God is infinitely good. We are smart
    and God is infinitely smart. We are kind and God is infinitely kind.
    We are witty and funny, so why isn't God infinitely witty and funny?


    1. Yes.

    I should have clarified. Does God know the last *natural* number?
    Does God know the last decimal of every *irrational* number including
    Euler's number, the square root of 8, Pi and the golden ratio? Does
    God know the largest irrational number? Does God know the final
    prime? Does God know the final rational number?



    2. Sure.

    3. Because prosthetic limbs don't suffer from
    original sin, obviously.

    4. God IS infinitely funny and witty. He made
    you unable to see it just to amuse the rest of us.


    So much for the questions being unanswerable.

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  • From one@1:229/2 to o'Mahoney on Sunday, September 05, 2021 04:55:04
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    From: mite.be@apolka.sign

    o'Mahoney wrote:

    I should have clarified. Does God know the last *natural* number?
    Does God know the last decimal of every *irrational* number including
    Euler's number, the square root of 8, Pi and the golden ratio? Does
    God know the largest irrational number? Does God know the final
    prime? Does God know the final rational number?

    A pair, a dime, a time can shifts a box in shadows made by frogs
    when a boxing ring of truth claims worms beneath the lids there on.

    The questions presuppose a last or final number exists
    for the various categories of numbers contained
    in the questions without question,
    knot to mention the largest.

    A number line mite might find ever sewn many points,
    and between those points, more points, and sew on
    adding between them all until one finds them all
    or is unable to find them all really given a so-
    so-called Real number line.

    There and then may be an odd gee whiz aum a tree
    thing when the square root of two appears in sand.

    Being able to easily draw the length of such a critter
    could lend a hand to rooting out an irrational thought.

    - connecting dots ... Cheers!

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  • From Noah Sombrero@1:229/2 to libertidad@south.south.com on Sunday, September 05, 2021 07:56:22
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    From: fedora@fea.st

    On Sun, 05 Sep 2021 18:28:18 +0800, o'Mahoney
    <libertidad@south.south.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 10:36:36 -0400, Love <no@spam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <mnekiglokuc19evkrjctmdg1o6jp4j0rof@4ax.com>, >>libertidad@south.south.com says...
    1. Does God know the last number?
    2. Can God make a rock so heavy that God can't lift it?
    3. Why don't we see discarded prosthetic limbs alongside
    discarded crutches at 'faith healing' events?
    4. We are good and God is infinitely good. We are smart
    and God is infinitely smart. We are kind and God is infinitely kind.
    We are witty and funny, so why isn't God infinitely witty and funny?


    1. Yes.

    I should have clarified. Does God know the last *natural* number?
    Does God know the last decimal of every *irrational* number including
    Euler's number, the square root of 8, Pi and the golden ratio? Does
    God know the largest irrational number? Does God know the final
    prime? Does God know the final rational number?

    Of course.



    2. Sure.

    3. Because prosthetic limbs don't suffer from
    original sin, obviously.

    4. God IS infinitely funny and witty. He made
    you unable to see it just to amuse the rest of us.


    So much for the questions being unanswerable.
    --
    Noah Sombrero

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  • From Noah Sombrero@1:229/2 to one on Sunday, September 05, 2021 07:59:47
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    From: fedora@fea.st

    On Sun, 05 Sep 2021 04:55:04 -0700, one <mite.be@apolka.sign> wrote:

    o'Mahoney wrote:

    I should have clarified. Does God know the last *natural* number?
    Does God know the last decimal of every *irrational* number including >>Euler's number, the square root of 8, Pi and the golden ratio? Does
    God know the largest irrational number? Does God know the final
    prime? Does God know the final rational number?

    A pair, a dime, a time can shifts a box in shadows made by frogs
    when a boxing ring of truth claims worms beneath the lids there on.

    The questions presuppose a last or final number exists

    As for various other conundrums, the existence of a knowledge does not
    mean that it is possible for humans to know it.

    for the various categories of numbers contained
    in the questions without question,
    knot to mention the largest.

    A number line mite might find ever sewn many points,
    and between those points, more points, and sew on
    adding between them all until one finds them all
    or is unable to find them all really given a so-
    so-called Real number line.

    There and then may be an odd gee whiz aum a tree
    thing when the square root of two appears in sand.

    Being able to easily draw the length of such a critter
    could lend a hand to rooting out an irrational thought.

    - connecting dots ... Cheers!
    --
    Noah Sombrero

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  • From Noah Sombrero@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, September 05, 2021 08:16:40
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    From: fedora@fea.st

    On Sun, 05 Sep 2021 07:59:47 -0400, Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 05 Sep 2021 04:55:04 -0700, one <mite.be@apolka.sign> wrote:

    o'Mahoney wrote:

    I should have clarified. Does God know the last *natural* number?
    Does God know the last decimal of every *irrational* number including >>>Euler's number, the square root of 8, Pi and the golden ratio? Does
    God know the largest irrational number? Does God know the final
    prime? Does God know the final rational number?

    A pair, a dime, a time can shifts a box in shadows made by frogs
    when a boxing ring of truth claims worms beneath the lids there on.

    The questions presuppose a last or final number exists

    As for various other conundrums, the existence of a knowledge does not
    mean that it is possible for humans to know it.

    In other words, it is possible, unlike god, for humans to invent a
    number (square root of 8) that they cannot know.

    It might actually be that god does not count things. For all we know.
    Wouldn't that be like you counting how many cells comprise your liver?

    for the various categories of numbers contained
    in the questions without question,
    knot to mention the largest.

    A number line mite might find ever sewn many points,
    and between those points, more points, and sew on
    adding between them all until one finds them all
    or is unable to find them all really given a so-
    so-called Real number line.

    There and then may be an odd gee whiz aum a tree
    thing when the square root of two appears in sand.

    Being able to easily draw the length of such a critter
    could lend a hand to rooting out an irrational thought.

    - connecting dots ... Cheers!
    --
    Noah Sombrero

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  • From one@1:229/2 to Noah on Monday, September 06, 2021 03:42:07
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    From: being@apolka.sign

    Noah wrote:
    one wrote:
    o'Mahoney wrote:

    I should have clarified. Does God know the last *natural* number?
    Does God know the last decimal of every *irrational* number including >>>Euler's number, the square root of 8, Pi and the golden ratio? Does
    God know the largest irrational number? Does God know the final
    prime? Does God know the final rational number?

    A pair, a dime, a time can shifts a box in shadows made by frogs
    when a boxing ring of truth claims worms beneath the lids there on.

    The questions presuppose a last or final number exists

    As for various other conundrums, the existence of a knowledge does not
    mean that it is possible for humans to know it.

    Especially if it does not exist such as, for example,
    the last digit of the square root of two.

    Geometrically, drawing a diagonal of a square
    with a side equal to one, the square root of two
    is easy enough visible but to calculate it numerically
    brings a funny feature on the table placed.

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  • From one@1:229/2 to Noah on Monday, September 06, 2021 03:53:58
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    From: being@apolka.sign

    Noah wrote:
    Noah wrote:
    one wrote:
    o'Mahoney wrote:

    I should have clarified. Does God know the last *natural* number?
    Does God know the last decimal of every *irrational* number including >>>>Euler's number, the square root of 8, Pi and the golden ratio? Does >>>>God know the largest irrational number? Does God know the final
    prime? Does God know the final rational number?

    A pair, a dime, a time can shifts a box in shadows made by frogs
    when a boxing ring of truth claims worms beneath the lids there on.

    The questions presuppose a last or final number exists

    As for various other conundrums, the existence of a knowledge does not
    mean that it is possible for humans to know it.

    In other words, it is possible, unlike god, for humans to invent a
    number (square root of 8) that they cannot know.

    The square roots of 8 exists in various forms.
    Take 2 times the square root of 2, for example.
    One might take a minus two as a root too, prehaps.

    A quest-
    ion may form in terms of weather
    and whether minus numbers actually exist or
    arghh like maps which mathematicians like naturally.

    It might actually be that god does not count things.

    It's possible gods do not exist
    other than in the minds of those
    for whom a god or gods do exist.

    For all we know.

    Mathematics and sciences can be counted on, and are
    counted on given various points, such as for example,
    number lines and experimentally being able to repeat
    phenomena and subsequently theorize to explain them.

    Wouldn't that be like you counting how many cells comprise your liver?

    The cells in my liver are finite at a given time as are
    the number of hairs on my head which exist and may
    be said to be known by the Universal Being (UB).

    That, UB, metaphysically speaking seeing
    as how it's a category word, knows without knowing
    intellectually. Similar to how water knows how to seek
    and find its own level given a plane it's plain to see.

    If, by definition, a god known as God is said to exist
    and is known by the book known as The Book seeing
    as how it says so, dogmatically, that's a form of being.

    - of epistemology ... Cheers!

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  • From aye@1:229/2 to one on Monday, September 06, 2021 05:48:35
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    From: being@apolka.sign

    one wrote:
    Noah wrote:

    It might actually be that god does not count things.

    It's possible gods do not exist
    other than in the minds of those
    for whom a god or gods do exist.

    For all we know.

    Can an actor be so involved acting
    that he or she or it forgets it's an act?

    Assuming a god, God, exists, it is possible
    that before any scene was set a form of God
    was there and formed all things to be performed
    during the course of a history sewn in the Script.

    In the Script as written before a time began some
    readers are told to have a mind that was at a time
    when, being in the form of God to hide that fact
    and be in the form of an individual and then
    a possibility exists for there to be rocks
    so heavy they can't be moved, etc.

    - by god, the god, God ...
    -- John 1:1-3
    --- Philippians 2:5-7

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  • From one@1:229/2 to aye on Monday, September 06, 2021 06:03:15
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    From: being@apolka.sign

    aye wrote:
    one wrote:
    Noah wrote:

    It might actually be that god does not count things.

    It's possible gods do not exist
    other than in the minds of those
    for whom a god or gods do exist.

    For all we know.

    Can an actor be so involved acting
    that he or she or it forgets it's an act?

    Once upon a time for a time beings were
    time beings and didn't know about being
    eternal beings let alone that they were
    the Universal Being (UB) naturally.

    Assuming a god, God, exists, it is possible
    that before any scene was set a form of God
    was there and formed all things to be performed
    during the course of a history sewn in the Script.

    When for a time that UB wrote a tale so tall that it
    would be unbelievable to all except for those who
    were chosen from before time began to believe it.

    In the Script as written before a time began some
    readers are told to have a mind that was at a time
    when, being in the form of God to hide that fact
    and be in the form of an individual and then
    a possibility exists for there to be rocks
    so heavy they can't be moved, etc.

    - by god, the god, God ...
    -- John 1:1-3
    --- Philippians 2:5-7

    For all some so-
    called individuals know their
    epistemology is limited given there
    are factors which prevent them from knowing.

    At the end of an age a god, God, said that age
    would change and from then on another age
    known as science would reign instead of a
    god or gods known to deists, theists, or
    animists such as they were for a time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_28:20

    While the Keys were given to Peter
    and paganism waned when He who was
    before the beginning arose from being dead
    to spread the Word across the face of planet Earth,
    that was for only those time beings who were written
    in the Script who were called to have immortal souls.

    Before the enlightenment age after time was reset
    to zero, before the Common Era there was a BC
    meaning calendars reflect the Script current
    currently carrying people a Way that is
    their Way which may be a TTC thing.

    Ways are ways and yet
    to say one is the One may
    be to stretch a saying a bit
    out of character given acts
    that UB plays in parting.

    - veils of temples in mind ...

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  • From Noah Sombrero@1:229/2 to aye on Monday, September 06, 2021 10:03:00
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    From: fedora@fea.st

    On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 05:48:35 -0700, aye <being@apolka.sign> wrote:

    one wrote:
    Noah wrote:

    It might actually be that god does not count things.

    It's possible gods do not exist
    other than in the minds of those
    for whom a god or gods do exist.

    For all we know.

    Can an actor be so involved acting
    that he or she or it forgets it's an act?

    Assuming a god, God, exists, it is possible
    that before any scene was set a form of God
    was there and formed all things to be performed
    during the course of a history sewn in the Script.

    In the Script as written before a time began some
    readers are told to have a mind that was at a time
    when, being in the form of God to hide that fact
    and be in the form of an individual and then
    a possibility exists for there to be rocks
    so heavy they can't be moved, etc.

    A marvelous slight of word.

    - by god, the god, God ...
    -- John 1:1-3
    --- Philippians 2:5-7
    --
    Noah Sombrero

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  • From Noah Sombrero@1:229/2 to one on Monday, September 06, 2021 09:54:55
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: fedora@fea.st

    On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 03:53:58 -0700, one <being@apolka.sign> wrote:

    Noah wrote:
    Noah wrote:
    one wrote:
    o'Mahoney wrote:

    I should have clarified. Does God know the last *natural* number? >>>>>Does God know the last decimal of every *irrational* number including >>>>>Euler's number, the square root of 8, Pi and the golden ratio? Does >>>>>God know the largest irrational number? Does God know the final >>>>>prime? Does God know the final rational number?

    A pair, a dime, a time can shifts a box in shadows made by frogs
    when a boxing ring of truth claims worms beneath the lids there on.

    The questions presuppose a last or final number exists

    As for various other conundrums, the existence of a knowledge does not >>>mean that it is possible for humans to know it.

    In other words, it is possible, unlike god, for humans to invent a
    number (square root of 8) that they cannot know.

    The square roots of 8 exists in various forms.
    Take 2 times the square root of 2, for example.
    One might take a minus two as a root too, prehaps.

    A quest-
    ion may form in terms of weather
    and whether minus numbers actually exist or
    arghh like maps which mathematicians like naturally.

    It might actually be that god does not count things.

    It's possible gods do not exist
    other than in the minds of those
    for whom a god or gods do exist.

    God being granted for the purposes of the discussion.

    For all we know.

    Mathematics and sciences can be counted on, and are
    counted on given various points, such as for example,
    number lines and experimentally being able to repeat
    phenomena and subsequently theorize to explain them.

    Wouldn't that be like you counting how many cells comprise your liver?

    The cells in my liver are finite at a given time as are
    the number of hairs on my head which exist and may
    be said to be known by the Universal Being (UB).

    No, no. The point is that a person would not bother to count tiny
    parts of himself, and one supposes neither would god. Would god be so
    silly? One never knows. He did create this silly universe after all,
    as part of himself. Stop right there. Do not get entangled in
    conundrums.

    That, UB, metaphysically speaking seeing
    as how it's a category word, knows without knowing
    intellectually. Similar to how water knows how to seek
    and find its own level given a plane it's plain to see.

    If, by definition, a god known as God is said to exist
    and is known by the book known as The Book seeing
    as how it says so, dogmatically, that's a form of being.

    We need not consider such things, for the purpose of this discussion.

    - of epistemology ... Cheers!
    --
    Noah Sombrero

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  • From one@1:229/2 to Noah on Monday, September 06, 2021 07:57:25
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: being@apolka.sign

    Noah wrote:
    one wrote:
    Noah wrote:

    Wouldn't that be like you counting how many cells comprise your liver?

    The cells in my liver are finite at a given time as are
    the number of hairs on my head which exist and may
    be said to be known by the Universal Being (UB).

    No, no. The point is that a person would not bother to count tiny
    parts of himself, and one supposes neither would god. Would god be so
    silly? One never knows.

    Jesus was said to say, the numbers are known.

    Silly, kinda may be in September, an Happy Gnu's ear.

    He did create this silly universe after all,
    as part of himself. Stop right there. Do not get entangled in
    conundrums.

    As if God were some he haw. A haw-haw-haw-haw saw puzzle.

    That, UB, metaphysically speaking seeing
    as how it's a category word, knows without knowing
    intellectually. Similar to how water knows how to seek
    and find its own level given a plane it's plain to see.

    If, by definition, a god known as God is said to exist
    and is known by the book known as The Book seeing
    as how it says so, dogmatically, that's a form of being.

    We need not consider such things, for the purpose of this discussion.

    If a mountain were a mountain and then
    there was a mountain then there was, then
    a song by some Donovan was a song sung.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcMM5-zBCEc

    - Cheers!

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  • From Noah Sombrero@1:229/2 to one on Monday, September 06, 2021 10:07:21
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: fedora@fea.st

    On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 06:03:15 -0700, one <being@apolka.sign> wrote:

    aye wrote:
    one wrote:
    Noah wrote:

    It might actually be that god does not count things.

    It's possible gods do not exist
    other than in the minds of those
    for whom a god or gods do exist.

    For all we know.

    Can an actor be so involved acting
    that he or she or it forgets it's an act?

    Once upon a time for a time beings were
    time beings and didn't know about being
    eternal beings let alone that they were
    the Universal Being (UB) naturally.

    Assuming a god, God, exists, it is possible
    that before any scene was set a form of God
    was there and formed all things to be performed
    during the course of a history sewn in the Script.

    When for a time that UB wrote a tale so tall that it
    would be unbelievable to all except for those who
    were chosen from before time began to believe it.

    The conundrum consumes all. Isn't it wonderful. Watch out for the
    ego traps though.

    In the Script as written before a time began some
    readers are told to have a mind that was at a time
    when, being in the form of God to hide that fact
    and be in the form of an individual and then
    a possibility exists for there to be rocks
    so heavy they can't be moved, etc.

    - by god, the god, God ...
    -- John 1:1-3
    --- Philippians 2:5-7

    For all some so-
    called individuals know their
    epistemology is limited given there
    are factors which prevent them from knowing.

    At the end of an age a god, God, said that age
    would change and from then on another age
    known as science would reign instead of a
    god or gods known to deists, theists, or
    animists such as they were for a time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_28:20

    While the Keys were given to Peter
    and paganism waned when He who was
    before the beginning arose from being dead
    to spread the Word across the face of planet Earth,
    that was for only those time beings who were written
    in the Script who were called to have immortal souls.

    Before the enlightenment age after time was reset
    to zero, before the Common Era there was a BC
    meaning calendars reflect the Script current
    currently carrying people a Way that is
    their Way which may be a TTC thing.

    Ways are ways and yet
    to say one is the One may
    be to stretch a saying a bit
    out of character given acts
    that UB plays in parting.

    - veils of temples in mind ...
    --
    Noah Sombrero

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to Noah Sombrero on Monday, September 06, 2021 15:33:42
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 14:54:55 +0100, Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:

    On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 03:53:58 -0700, one <being@apolka.sign> wrote:

    Noah wrote:
    Noah wrote:
    one wrote:
    o'Mahoney wrote:

    I should have clarified. Does God know the last *natural* number? >>>>>> Does God know the last decimal of every *irrational* number
    including
    Euler's number, the square root of 8, Pi and the golden ratio? Does >>>>>> God know the largest irrational number? Does God know the final
    prime? Does God know the final rational number?

    A pair, a dime, a time can shifts a box in shadows made by frogs
    when a boxing ring of truth claims worms beneath the lids there on.

    The questions presuppose a last or final number exists

    As for various other conundrums, the existence of a knowledge does not >>>> mean that it is possible for humans to know it.

    In other words, it is possible, unlike god, for humans to invent a
    number (square root of 8) that they cannot know.

    The square roots of 8 exists in various forms.
    Take 2 times the square root of 2, for example.
    One might take a minus two as a root too, prehaps.

    A quest-
    ion may form in terms of weather
    and whether minus numbers actually exist or
    arghh like maps which mathematicians like naturally.

    It might actually be that god does not count things.

    It's possible gods do not exist
    other than in the minds of those
    for whom a god or gods do exist.

    God being granted for the purposes of the discussion.

    For all we know.

    Mathematics and sciences can be counted on, and are
    counted on given various points, such as for example,
    number lines and experimentally being able to repeat
    phenomena and subsequently theorize to explain them.

    Wouldn't that be like you counting how many cells comprise your liver?

    The cells in my liver are finite at a given time as are
    the number of hairs on my head which exist and may
    be said to be known by the Universal Being (UB).

    No, no. The point is that a person would not bother to count tiny
    parts of himself, and one supposes neither would god. Would god be so
    silly? One never knows. He did create this silly universe after all,
    as part of himself. Stop right there. Do not get entangled in
    conundrums.

    That, UB, metaphysically speaking seeing
    as how it's a category word, knows without knowing
    intellectually. Similar to how water knows how to seek
    and find its own level given a plane it's plain to see.

    If, by definition, a god known as God is said to exist
    and is known by the book known as The Book seeing
    as how it says so, dogmatically, that's a form of being.

    We need not consider such things

    ### - (my sever doesn't allow cross-posting so he'll likely never see this reply anyway, but)

    exactly! there's nada to consider!

    coz there IS no... philosophy!

    or do you really think the Universe (or 'god' if you really must anthropomorphise everything) sits there in its vastness: figuring things
    out?? (riiiight...)

    no! - it just IS - and is just doing ITS thing regardless of 'anything' we might ever wanna 'think' about it! it's too BIG to ever understand anyway! literally goes out of sight in every direction one looks!

    we'll NEVER understand it!

    don't even TRY! the universe doesn't 'think' - it's silent! :)

    as such: philosophy + anything else we might rationalise or come-up with, doesn't exist except in the heads of dumbass human beings who literally
    made up/invented ALL that crap themselves! putting OUR words in the mouth
    of the universe?? duh! (i think what god MEANT to saaaay? riiight...)

    the simple + direct truth of the matter being: that we do not KNOW...
    anything!

    so why pretend? why get lost in useless conjecture that will never resolve anything!

    it 'feels' nice so we keep doin' it, is that it?? lol :))))

    yeah well: STOP it! leave it alone! (or you'll stay blind? really laffing
    haha)

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  • From Noah Sombrero@1:229/2 to one on Monday, September 06, 2021 09:56:38
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: fedora@fea.st

    On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 03:42:07 -0700, one <being@apolka.sign> wrote:

    Noah wrote:
    one wrote:
    o'Mahoney wrote:

    I should have clarified. Does God know the last *natural* number?
    Does God know the last decimal of every *irrational* number including >>>>Euler's number, the square root of 8, Pi and the golden ratio? Does >>>>God know the largest irrational number? Does God know the final
    prime? Does God know the final rational number?

    A pair, a dime, a time can shifts a box in shadows made by frogs
    when a boxing ring of truth claims worms beneath the lids there on.

    The questions presuppose a last or final number exists

    As for various other conundrums, the existence of a knowledge does not
    mean that it is possible for humans to know it.

    Especially if it does not exist such as, for example,
    the last digit of the square root of two.

    For finite a being. For infinite beings, infinite things become
    possible.

    Geometrically, drawing a diagonal of a square
    with a side equal to one, the square root of two
    is easy enough visible but to calculate it numerically
    brings a funny feature on the table placed.
    --
    Noah Sombrero

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  • From one@1:229/2 to Noah on Monday, September 06, 2021 07:58:41
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: being@apolka.sign

    Noah wrote:

    For infinite beings, infinite things become possible.

    Assuming such beings exist.

    - super! naturally!

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  • From one@1:229/2 to Noah on Monday, September 06, 2021 08:00:36
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: being@apolka.sign

    Noah wrote:

    The conundrum consumes all.

    A pair of doxes once boxed in a ring.

    Isn't it wonderful.

    The ring of Truth, know doubt.

    Watch out for the ego traps though.

    Said the UB as it talked among its elves.

    - Cheers!

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  • From Noah Sombrero@1:229/2 to one on Monday, September 06, 2021 11:05:02
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: fedora@fea.st

    On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 07:58:41 -0700, one <being@apolka.sign> wrote:

    Noah wrote:

    For infinite beings, infinite things become possible.

    Assuming such beings exist.

    - super! naturally!

    Granted for the sake of this discussion. If we don't grant that, then
    we cannot talk about what he knows.
    --
    Noah Sombrero

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  • From ansaman@1:229/2 to Noah Sombrero on Monday, September 06, 2021 11:05:20
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: ansaman@gmail.com

    On 9/6/2021 9:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    For finite a being. For infinite beings, infinite things become
    possible.

    Provided there is an infinite being. As I have said,
    I tend to favor the God as process idea, but who knows.
    Not only that, the question is trivial.

    --
    **The AnsaMan**
    Stupor Mundi!

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  • From ansaman@1:229/2 to one on Monday, September 06, 2021 11:11:10
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: ansaman@gmail.com

    On 9/6/2021 10:58 AM, one wrote:
    Noah wrote:

    For infinite beings, infinite things become possible.

    Assuming such beings exist.

    - super! naturally!


    I have theorized that God is the firmware
    embedded in the hardware of the universe.

    If there is any software, life itself is it.

    The hierarchy I have theorized is:

    Physics
    Chemistry
    Biology
    Mind
    Culture
    Religion
    Society
    Information
    Science
    Technology

    or something thereabouts.

    --
    **The AnsaMan**
    Stupor Mundi!

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  • From one@1:229/2 to ansaman on Tuesday, September 07, 2021 05:42:05
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: being@apolka.sign

    ansaman wrote:
    one wrote:
    Noah wrote:

    For infinite beings, infinite things become possible.

    Assuming such beings exist.

    - super! naturally!

    I have theorized that God is the firmware
    embedded in the hardware of the universe.

    If there is any software, life itself is it.

    The hierarchy I have theorized is:

    Physics
    Chemistry
    Biology
    Mind
    Culture
    Religion
    Society
    Information
    Science
    Technology

    or something thereabouts.

    Given what was theorized about God,
    could that God do or know what was asked
    in the original questions posed?

    Is that God omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent?

    If so, what do the three omni mean?

    Does being all powerful prevent paradox?
    Does being omniscient include last digits of irrational numbers?

    If that God is omnipresent, and if last digits
    of irrational numbers exist, then does that entail God is
    present at the last digits of irrational numbers?

    - for the sake of a theory ...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Noah Sombrero@1:229/2 to one on Tuesday, September 07, 2021 09:16:12
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: fedora@fea.st

    On Tue, 07 Sep 2021 05:42:05 -0700, one <being@apolka.sign> wrote:

    ansaman wrote:
    one wrote:
    Noah wrote:

    For infinite beings, infinite things become possible.

    Assuming such beings exist.

    - super! naturally!

    I have theorized that God is the firmware
    embedded in the hardware of the universe.

    If there is any software, life itself is it.

    The hierarchy I have theorized is:

    Physics
    Chemistry
    Biology
    Mind
    Culture
    Religion
    Society
    Information
    Science
    Technology

    or something thereabouts.

    Given what was theorized about God,
    could that God do or know what was asked
    in the original questions posed?

    Is that God omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent?

    If so, what do the three omni mean?

    Does being all powerful prevent paradox?
    Does being omniscient include last digits of irrational numbers?

    If that God is omnipresent, and if last digits
    of irrational numbers exist, then does that entail God is
    present at the last digits of irrational numbers?

    - for the sake of a theory ...

    More information that humans cannot know. But if we assume that god
    created this contraption, it would make sense to us to assume that
    this god is everywhere, knows everything. Not that making sense to us
    is proof of anything. It merely shows us where our limit is.
    --
    Noah Sombrero

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  • From aman@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, September 07, 2021 07:29:35
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: being@apolka.sign

    eye saw:
    Noah wrote:
    aye wrote:

    o'Mahoney wrote:
    I should have clarified. Does God know the last *natural* number? >>>>>>>>>>> Does God know the last decimal of every *irrational* number including
    Euler's number, the square root of 8, Pi and the golden ratio? Does
    God know the largest irrational number? Does God know the final >>>>>>>>>>> prime? Does God know the final rational number?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_root

    Like, totally rad, man.

    << called the radical >>

    It's a sign! A sign!

    << The term (or number) whose
    square root is being considered is known
    as the radicand. The radicand is the number
    or expression underneath the radical sign >>

    So, the term (or number) is a who, given: the above.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_root_of_2

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi

    Some numbers may be algebraic. Others, transcendental.

    God knows pi is easy enought to show and see simply
    via drawing a line, a curved line naturally, in the sand.

    Socrates could have proved a boy who didn't know how
    had the know how to show a diameter and a circumference
    is well known enought to know how a circle goes.

    Questions are able to be asked
    which have little or no meaning.

    How high is up, for example.
    An answer may deep end to a point.

    Which direction is down, could be an other
    for one who lives above or below an equator,
    the imaginary line said to circle a pale blue dot.

    Really is
    ore can be
    an other word
    added to a quest-
    ion of sorts to be an-
    swerable or unanswerable.

    Does the sun known as the Sun really rise?
    Is the earth known as the Earth really a blue dot?

    How does a sound sound to an ant who is a number
    of units away from a tree falling when the sound sounds
    different to a dog ten thou sand-units farther further?

    What is a sound, really, when an it waves?

    Which direction of the pale blue dot point
    when it spins going basically round a sun known
    as the Sun of all suns? Which Way is up, in other words?

    Standing on the surface of what appears to be, really,
    really appears to be flat, with a star able to rise and set,
    moving higher or lower at times through a sky, Earth can be
    proven using Ptolemaic astronomy to be at a center.

    Science, with its inductive reasoning and empirical gathering
    of phenomena brings to a point various points going beyond
    the ability of its own methodology. Hypotheticals spring froth.

    If there is no life after physical/material being
    then there's no problem for those having shed skins.

    - in the game

    If life is a game.

    Life is a bowl of cheerios
    kids and alpha-omega bit soup as
    well a well wells as life being a prison camp.

    To me this all suggests a prescription for knowing
    that I don't know anything. Fine, except that I don't know that
    either.

    This morning my Tao took me walking a round
    several square and rectangular blocks when suddenly
    a neighbor appeared who knew my name and called out
    saying hi or hello.

    I knew his name but didn't know it. His companion how-
    ever, a four-footed friend, her name was recalled and,
    asking how she, by name, was doing we conversed, he
    and I, we did, did we, yes we did.

    Her name was and is Dotty, by the Way.

    Then, after we'd passed like two neighbors at sunrise,
    about half a minute amount of time later his name was
    recalled and a wonder was, how did that happen?

    A mind of mine works without me knowing how with
    its elf and elves doing things unknown to me yet it,
    they and them are all me, unless defined as not me.

    - given: a school; life is ...

    When a pronoun stands in for a noun, me, for example,
    what the noun is may escape without notice and if one
    does not exist one could be invented, two suffice.

    When a pronoun, say, my, is attached to a noun, to
    modify the noun as for examply, my mind, soul, body,
    then who is one might be the number of a man, aye.

    - aman ... Cheers!

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  • From one@1:229/2 to Noah on Tuesday, September 07, 2021 07:15:25
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: being@apolka.sign

    Noah wrote:
    one wrote:
    ansaman wrote:
    one wrote:
    Noah wrote:

    For infinite beings, infinite things become possible.

    Assuming such beings exist.

    - super! naturally!

    I have theorized that God is the firmware
    embedded in the hardware of the universe.

    If there is any software, life itself is it.

    The hierarchy I have theorized is:

    Physics
    Chemistry
    Biology
    Mind
    Culture
    Religion
    Society
    Information
    Science
    Technology

    or something thereabouts.

    Given what was theorized about God,
    could that God do or know what was asked
    in the original questions posed?

    Is that God omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent?

    If so, what do the three omni mean?

    Does being all powerful prevent paradox?
    Does being omniscient include last digits of irrational numbers?

    If that God is omnipresent, and if last digits
    of irrational numbers exist, then does that entail God is
    present at the last digits of irrational numbers?

    - for the sake of a theory ...

    More information that humans cannot know.

    Humans can know if they define their terms in a Way.
    That very Way, by definition, entails their epistemology.

    If, axiomatically, logically speaking, humans say their god
    knows all things then that god is omniscient, by definition.

    A valid logical argument may then follow and proven
    using deduction which goes Way far beyond science
    with its inductive reasoning abilities and is not super-
    natural naturally. Ontology and metaphysics have
    their know-hows and how evers.

    But if we assume that god
    created this contraption, it would make sense to us to assume that
    this god is everywhere, knows everything. Not that making sense to us
    is proof of anything. It merely shows us where our limit is.

    We can assume such a god is this contraption that traps us
    and is us and knows numbers that have infinite potentials
    yet just as well infinity is not a number.

    To the right of a decimal point, if a number extends without end,
    and is infinite in that dimension on a line in a given reality, then,
    to know the infinite in a finite Way, we may.

    - like the radical two fer example ... Cheers!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From eye@1:229/2 to Noah on Tuesday, September 07, 2021 07:09:25
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: being@apolka.sign

    Noah wrote:
    aye wrote:

    Noah wrote:

    o'Mahoney wrote:
    I should have clarified. Does God know the last *natural* number? >>>>>>>>>> Does God know the last decimal of every *irrational* number including
    Euler's number, the square root of 8, Pi and the golden ratio? Does >>>>>>>>>> God know the largest irrational number? Does God know the final >>>>>>>>>> prime? Does God know the final rational number?

    As for various other conundrums, the existence of a knowledge does not >>>>>>>> mean that it is possible for humans to know it.

    Questions are able to be asked
    which have little or no meaning.

    How high is up, for example.
    An answer may deep end to a point.

    Which direction is down, could be an other
    for one who lives above or below an equator,
    the imaginary line said to circle a pale blue dot.

    Really is
    ore can be
    an other word
    added to a quest-
    ion of sorts to be an-
    swerable or unanswerable.

    Which direction of the pale blue dot point
    when it spins going basically round a sun known
    as the Sun of all suns? Which Way is up, in other words?

    Standing on the surface of what appears to be, really,
    really appears to be flat, with a star able to rise and set,
    moving higher or lower at times through a sky, Earth can be
    proven using Ptolemaic astronomy to be at a center.

    Science, with its inductive reasoning and empirical gathering
    of phenomena brings to a point various points going beyond
    the ability of its own methodology. Hypotheticals spring froth.

    If there is no life after physical/material being
    then there's no problem for those having shed skins.

    - in the game

    If life is a game. To me this all suggests a prescription for knowing
    that I don't know anything. Fine, except that I don't know that
    either.

    This morning my Tao took me walking a round
    several square and rectangular blocks when suddenly
    a neighbor appeared who knew my name and called out
    saying hi or hello.

    I knew his name but didn't know it. His companion how-
    ever, a four-footed friend, her name was recalled and,
    asking how she, by name, was doing we conversed, he
    and I, we did, did we, yes we did.

    Then, after we'd passed like two neighbors at sunrise,
    about half a minute amount of time later his name was
    recalled and a wonder was, how did that happen?

    A mind of mine works without me knowing how with
    its elf and elves doing things unknown to me yet it,
    they and them are all me, unless defined as not me.

    - given: a school; life is ...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From liaM@1:229/2 to Noah Sombrero on Tuesday, September 07, 2021 16:40:41
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: cuddly@mindless.com

    On 9/7/2021 3:16 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Tue, 07 Sep 2021 05:42:05 -0700, one <being@apolka.sign> wrote:

    ansaman wrote:
    one wrote:
    Noah wrote:

    For infinite beings, infinite things become possible.

    Assuming such beings exist.

    - super! naturally!

    I have theorized that God is the firmware
    embedded in the hardware of the universe.

    If there is any software, life itself is it.

    The hierarchy I have theorized is:

    Physics
    Chemistry
    Biology
    Mind
    Culture
    Religion
    Society
    Information
    Science
    Technology

    or something thereabouts.

    Given what was theorized about God,
    could that God do or know what was asked
    in the original questions posed?

    Is that God omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent?

    If so, what do the three omni mean?

    Does being all powerful prevent paradox?
    Does being omniscient include last digits of irrational numbers?

    If that God is omnipresent, and if last digits
    of irrational numbers exist, then does that entail God is
    present at the last digits of irrational numbers?

    - for the sake of a theory ...

    More information that humans cannot know. But if we assume that god
    created this contraption, it would make sense to us to assume that
    this god is everywhere, knows everything. Not that making sense to us
    is proof of anything. It merely shows us where our limit is.
    --
    Noah Sombrero



    How is something created from nothing? I always loved that as a proof
    the universe is unfathomable. Except today, eureka. The answer to
    existence can be found by finding a convenient definition of what
    "nothing" is.

    Nothing is what I say it is, since I'm so full of myself!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From Noah Sombrero@1:229/2 to eye on Tuesday, September 07, 2021 10:23:04
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: fedora@fea.st

    On Tue, 07 Sep 2021 07:09:25 -0700, eye <being@apolka.sign> wrote:

    Noah wrote:
    aye wrote:

    Noah wrote:

    o'Mahoney wrote:
    I should have clarified. Does God know the last *natural* number? >>>>>>>>>>> Does God know the last decimal of every *irrational* number including
    Euler's number, the square root of 8, Pi and the golden ratio? Does
    God know the largest irrational number? Does God know the final >>>>>>>>>>> prime? Does God know the final rational number?

    As for various other conundrums, the existence of a knowledge does not
    mean that it is possible for humans to know it.

    Questions are able to be asked
    which have little or no meaning.

    How high is up, for example.
    An answer may deep end to a point.

    Which direction is down, could be an other
    for one who lives above or below an equator,
    the imaginary line said to circle a pale blue dot.

    Really is
    ore can be
    an other word
    added to a quest-
    ion of sorts to be an-
    swerable or unanswerable.

    Which direction of the pale blue dot point
    when it spins going basically round a sun known
    as the Sun of all suns? Which Way is up, in other words?

    Standing on the surface of what appears to be, really,
    really appears to be flat, with a star able to rise and set,
    moving higher or lower at times through a sky, Earth can be
    proven using Ptolemaic astronomy to be at a center.

    Science, with its inductive reasoning and empirical gathering
    of phenomena brings to a point various points going beyond
    the ability of its own methodology. Hypotheticals spring froth.

    If there is no life after physical/material being
    then there's no problem for those having shed skins.

    - in the game

    If life is a game. To me this all suggests a prescription for knowing
    that I don't know anything. Fine, except that I don't know that
    either.

    This morning my Tao took me walking a round
    several square and rectangular blocks when suddenly
    a neighbor appeared who knew my name and called out
    saying hi or hello.

    I knew his name but didn't know it. His companion how-
    ever, a four-footed friend, her name was recalled and,
    asking how she, by name, was doing we conversed, he
    and I, we did, did we, yes we did.

    Then, after we'd passed like two neighbors at sunrise,
    about half a minute amount of time later his name was
    recalled and a wonder was, how did that happen?

    A mind of mine works without me knowing how with
    its elf and elves doing things unknown to me yet it,
    they and them are all me, unless defined as not me.

    - given: a school; life is ...

    You get to choose. This is a mystery. Or, if you like, there is an explanation. This is a recent development. In ages past, there was
    only the mystery.
    --
    Noah Sombrero

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From one@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, September 07, 2021 07:41:49
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: being@apolka.sign

    Noah asserted:

    You get to choose. This is a mystery. Or, if you like, there is an >explanation. This is a recent development. In ages past, there was
    only the mystery.

    In one age, there was only, dogma.

    In a New Age, there is woo
    so may say a materialist/physical type
    of dogmatic persona as one wells and dwells
    in a land ruled by ists of a scientific religion of sorts.

    For me, being a Taoist of all ists in Usenet of all nets,
    being able to choose is a beautiful feature film of Tao Chia.

    Perspectives enable a Tao to be a Tao.

    Given: a Tao Te Ching as a source; the Tao, aka, Way
    that is a Way is not always nor necessarily the,
    in other words, the one and only, Way.

    One of the ones of Tao Chia may be an uncommon Way.

    - go figure figures on ice thick and thin ... Thanks again!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From slider@1:229/2 to Noah Sombrero on Tuesday, September 07, 2021 15:33:29
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Tue, 07 Sep 2021 14:31:47 +0100, Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:

    To me this all suggests a prescription for knowing
    that I don't know anything. Fine, except that I don't know that
    either.

    ... thanks! Cheers!
    --
    Noah Sombrero

    ### - you're welcome :) 'not knowing' is the only thing we 'can' know with
    any certainty ;)

    i.e., the universe isn't intellectual, it doesn't think, it doesn't
    figure...

    surely then this is a clue to us to lay down the weary burden of rationalisation that has driven humanity half insane: an injunction to
    let-go and just... 'Be'

    ----------------

    There's nada at all wrong with nature and the rest of the universe, it's
    just the human race that's all screwed up ;)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From mite@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, September 07, 2021 07:48:10
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: be@quest.ion

    o'Mahoney wrote:

    I should have clarified. Does God know the last *natural* number?

    Is God the Omega?

    - naturally ...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From one@1:229/2 to liaM on Tuesday, September 07, 2021 07:45:27
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: being@apolka.sign

    liaM asked:

    How is something created from nothing?

    Ways may vary.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy

    I always loved that as a proof
    the universe is unfathomable. Except today, eureka. The answer to
    existence can be found by finding a convenient definition of what
    "nothing" is.

    Nothing is what I say it is, since I'm so full of myself!

    No thing is a value able
    Two be a thing too
    Emerging ringing from
    The one and only

    One is born of Tao
    Tao is of its Elf sew

    - prepositional phases ...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From ansaman@1:229/2 to one on Tuesday, September 07, 2021 11:01:20
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: ansaman@gmail.com

    On 9/7/2021 8:42 AM, one wrote:
    ansaman wrote:
    one wrote:
    Noah wrote:

    For infinite beings, infinite things become possible.

    Assuming such beings exist.

    - super! naturally!

    I have theorized that God is the firmware
    embedded in the hardware of the universe.

    If there is any software, life itself is it.

    The hierarchy I have theorized is:

    Physics
    Chemistry
    Biology
    Mind
    Culture
    Religion
    Society
    Information
    Science
    Technology

    or something thereabouts.

    Given what was theorized about God,
    could that God do or know what was asked
    in the original questions posed?

    The God I am referring to is not a being.
    That God is an event and/or the underlying
    structure of the universe with its precesses
    that we know more about all the time.


    Is that God omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent?

    Remember the invisible hand of the market that
    is explained in economics? God is like that.
    Acts without acting, Knows without knowing. Does without doing.


    If so, what do the three omni mean?

    The three omni reflects the efficient action of the
    underlying structure and processes that have created
    everything that exists including ongoing processes.


    Does being all powerful prevent paradox?
    Does being omniscient include last digits of irrational numbers?

    The power is virtual. The knowledge is virtual. Therefore,
    these questions lose meaning.


    If that God is omnipresent, and if last digits
    of irrational numbers exist, then does that entail God is
    present at the last digits of irrational numbers?

    - for the sake of a theory ...

    Given what I have posited, God is everywhere
    and everywhen, but at the same time nowhere and
    nowhen. God is a manifestation of the system and
    the system is a manifestation of God.

    God knows everything because all knowledge is part
    of the system. God is all powerful because all processes
    are included in the system.

    The scripture hinted: "I am that I am" in a way
    of personifying the underlying events and processes.

    The nature of God, in a sense, is ineffable because
    one is so restricted in time, space, and capacity
    as to never appreciate the totality of the system
    or the processes.


    --
    **The AnsaMan**
    Stupor Mundi!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From Noah Sombrero@1:229/2 to liaM on Tuesday, September 07, 2021 11:23:15
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: fedora@fea.st

    On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 16:40:41 +0200, liaM <cuddly@mindless.com> wrote:

    On 9/7/2021 3:16 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Tue, 07 Sep 2021 05:42:05 -0700, one <being@apolka.sign> wrote:

    ansaman wrote:
    one wrote:
    Noah wrote:

    For infinite beings, infinite things become possible.

    Assuming such beings exist.

    - super! naturally!

    I have theorized that God is the firmware
    embedded in the hardware of the universe.

    If there is any software, life itself is it.

    The hierarchy I have theorized is:

    Physics
    Chemistry
    Biology
    Mind
    Culture
    Religion
    Society
    Information
    Science
    Technology

    or something thereabouts.

    Given what was theorized about God,
    could that God do or know what was asked
    in the original questions posed?

    Is that God omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent?

    If so, what do the three omni mean?

    Does being all powerful prevent paradox?
    Does being omniscient include last digits of irrational numbers?

    If that God is omnipresent, and if last digits
    of irrational numbers exist, then does that entail God is
    present at the last digits of irrational numbers?

    - for the sake of a theory ...

    More information that humans cannot know. But if we assume that god
    created this contraption, it would make sense to us to assume that
    this god is everywhere, knows everything. Not that making sense to us
    is proof of anything. It merely shows us where our limit is.
    --
    Noah Sombrero



    How is something created from nothing? I always loved that as a proof
    the universe is unfathomable. Except today, eureka. The answer to
    existence can be found by finding a convenient definition of what
    "nothing" is.

    Nothing is what I say it is, since I'm so full of myself!

    *Nothing* is what I say it is.
    Nothing is what *I* say it is.
    *Nothing* is what *I* say it is.

    Physicists don't posit a nothing from which the universe was created.
    They propose another turtle on the way down. The universe was created
    in a big bang. A tiny dot of something that exploded most violently
    and expanded to be the universe which is still expanding. But since
    we know that there cannot be a limit while there must be a limit,
    physicists are lifting the skirts of that tiny dot to peer inside.
    Genitalia in there?
    --
    Noah Sombrero

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From liaM@1:229/2 to Noah Sombrero on Tuesday, September 07, 2021 18:02:53
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: cuddly@mindless.com

    On 9/7/2021 5:23 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 16:40:41 +0200, liaM <cuddly@mindless.com> wrote:

    On 9/7/2021 3:16 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Tue, 07 Sep 2021 05:42:05 -0700, one <being@apolka.sign> wrote:

    ansaman wrote:
    one wrote:
    Noah wrote:

    For infinite beings, infinite things become possible.

    Assuming such beings exist.

    - super! naturally!

    I have theorized that God is the firmware
    embedded in the hardware of the universe.

    If there is any software, life itself is it.

    The hierarchy I have theorized is:

    Physics
    Chemistry
    Biology
    Mind
    Culture
    Religion
    Society
    Information
    Science
    Technology

    or something thereabouts.

    Given what was theorized about God,
    could that God do or know what was asked
    in the original questions posed?

    Is that God omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent?

    If so, what do the three omni mean?

    Does being all powerful prevent paradox?
    Does being omniscient include last digits of irrational numbers?

    If that God is omnipresent, and if last digits
    of irrational numbers exist, then does that entail God is
    present at the last digits of irrational numbers?

    - for the sake of a theory ...

    More information that humans cannot know. But if we assume that god
    created this contraption, it would make sense to us to assume that
    this god is everywhere, knows everything. Not that making sense to us
    is proof of anything. It merely shows us where our limit is.
    --
    Noah Sombrero



    How is something created from nothing? I always loved that as a proof
    the universe is unfathomable. Except today, eureka. The answer to
    existence can be found by finding a convenient definition of what
    "nothing" is.

    Nothing is what I say it is, since I'm so full of myself!

    *Nothing* is what I say it is.
    Nothing is what *I* say it is.
    *Nothing* is what *I* say it is.

    Physicists don't posit a nothing from which the universe was created.
    They propose another turtle on the way down. The universe was created
    in a big bang. A tiny dot of something that exploded most violently
    and expanded to be the universe which is still expanding. But since
    we know that there cannot be a limit while there must be a limit,
    physicists are lifting the skirts of that tiny dot to peer inside.
    Genitalia in there?
    --
    Noah Sombrero



    There's this book which W.B. Yeats said was related to him by his wife
    in a transe, called "A Vision", in which the medium in contact with his
    wife asserted that the universe oscillates from nothing to something
    through a process of reciprocating cones, I wish I could remember their
    names and concepts, "Body of Fate" being one.

    One thing I recall concerning the book. Sex was nowhere mentioned :)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Vision

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From ansaman@1:229/2 to eye on Tuesday, September 07, 2021 10:48:58
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: ansaman@gmail.com

    On 9/7/2021 10:09 AM, eye wrote:
    This morning my Tao took me walking a round
    several square and rectangular blocks when suddenly
    a neighbor appeared who knew my name and called out
    saying hi or hello.

    I knew his name but didn't know it. His companion how-
    ever, a four-footed friend, her name was recalled and,
    asking how she, by name, was doing we conversed, he
    and I, we did, did we, yes we did.

    Then, after we'd passed like two neighbors at sunrise,
    about half a minute amount of time later his name was
    recalled and a wonder was, how did that happen?

    A mind of mine works without me knowing how with
    its elf and elves doing things unknown to me yet it,
    they and them are all me, unless defined as not me.

    In my experience it seems to take two to three
    minutes. I think it is like something being stored
    in a zip file that has to be decompressed.

    --
    **The AnsaMan**
    Stupor Mundi!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)