• mRNA-Vaccines pose a real immanent Danger to human beings!

    From Venus as a Boy@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, August 24, 2021 10:53:35
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    From: rainbowguardian@web.de

    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/24/mrna-vaccines-pose-a-real-immanent-danger-to-human-beings/


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  • From Love@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, August 24, 2021 06:47:48
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: no@spam.invalid

    In article <sg2c2g$b0h5$2@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>, rainbowguardian@web.de says... >https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/24/mrna-vaccin >es-pose-a-real-immanent-danger-to-human-beings/

    I note "immanent" (the divine dwelling within the material) is used
    where one might otherwise expect "imminent" (something that is going
    to happen very soon).

    I got the non-mRNA vaccine, so it doesn't matter to me.


    --
    Love

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  • From canoleenie@1:229/2 to All on Tuesday, August 24, 2021 18:56:34
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    XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: purveyor@tesos.net

    You could try to find a newspaper or a deskjet. I need a car and some more wood, too

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  • From ansaman@1:229/2 to Love on Tuesday, August 24, 2021 16:00:34
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: ansaman@gmail.com

    On 8/24/2021 6:47 AM, Love wrote:
    In article <sg2c2g$b0h5$2@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>, rainbowguardian@web.de says...
    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/24/mrna-vaccin
    es-pose-a-real-immanent-danger-to-human-beings/

    I note "immanent" (the divine dwelling within the material) is used
    where one might otherwise expect "imminent" (something that is going
    to happen very soon).

    I got the non-mRNA vaccine, so it doesn't matter to me.

    May I nurse from the ten hairy nipples that spout on
    your back while we nestle in the pod soaked in pod-goo?


    --
    **The AnsaMan**
    Stupor Mundi!

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  • From o'Mahoney@1:229/2 to rainbowguardian@web.de on Wednesday, August 25, 2021 10:04:10
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: libertidad@south.south.com

    On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 10:53:35 +0200, Venus as a Boy
    <rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:

    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/24/mrna-vaccines-pose-a-real-immanent-danger-to-human-beings/


    Yur opinion means very little and your expert knowledge is exactly
    that - an obsolete drip under pressure.

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  • From Venus as a Boy@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, August 25, 2021 08:44:41
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: rainbowguardian@web.de

    Am 24.08.2021 um 12:47 schrieb Love:
    In article <sg2c2g$b0h5$2@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>, rainbowguardian@web.de says...
    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/24/mrna-vaccin
    es-pose-a-real-immanent-danger-to-human-beings/

    I note "immanent" (the divine dwelling within the material) is used
    where one might otherwise expect "imminent" (something that is going
    to happen very soon).

    I got the non-mRNA vaccine, so it doesn't matter to me.



    I don't think they made one, if you refer to the vector vaccines they
    just use viruses as carriers of mRNA!

    --
    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.space/

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  • From Venus as a Boy@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, August 25, 2021 08:56:05
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    From: rainbowguardian@web.de

    Am 24.08.2021 um 13:53 schrieb one:

    << Scientists have created a lipid coated “virus” that only contains genetic material to induce your cells to produce spike proteins. These proteins are released alone so the cell does not explode. >>

    Whatever these spike proteins are, actually they must be some part of
    the skin of the virus so the immunesytem can addapt to the virus, and
    attack the virus because they can realize the skin structure, because
    the immune cells can't look inside the virus or can they?
    So maybe there's some supposed gate big enough for these skinparts and
    the cells don't explode, maybe, but you forgot the human cellcore DNA
    repair mechanism which intgrates any kind of RNA into the cell DNA, and
    don't tell me that just one mRNA molecule enters the cell and after it
    advises the cell to manufacture one(!) spike protein it dissolves!


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    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.space/

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  • From o'Mahoney@1:229/2 to rainbowguardian@web.de on Thursday, August 26, 2021 08:04:29
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: libertidad@south.south.com

    To all tin-foil hat wearing lulu's endangering their own and,
    importantly, *others'* lives, watch this:

    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/08/25/colorado-fitness-coach-coronavirus-vaccine-affil-pkg-vpx.kusa


    Fit as a pig in shit, as they say. Also, had COVID and survived well
    in early 2020. Yet, his second bout, a mutation, very nearly killed
    him.

    Get. Vaccinated. Now.



    On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 08:44:41 +0200, Venus as a Boy
    <rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:

    Am 24.08.2021 um 12:47 schrieb Love:
    In article <sg2c2g$b0h5$2@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>, rainbowguardian@web.de says...
    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/24/mrna-vaccin
    es-pose-a-real-immanent-danger-to-human-beings/

    I note "immanent" (the divine dwelling within the material) is used
    where one might otherwise expect "imminent" (something that is going
    to happen very soon).

    I got the non-mRNA vaccine, so it doesn't matter to me.



    I don't think they made one, if you refer to the vector vaccines they
    just use viruses as carriers of mRNA!

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  • From Love@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, August 26, 2021 01:31:22
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: no@spam.invalid

    In article <sg3j52$e11$2@dont-email.me>, ansaman@gmail.com says...
    On 8/24/2021 6:47 AM, Love wrote:
    In article <sg2c2g$b0h5$2@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>, rainbowguardian@web.de
    says...
    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/24/mrna-vaccin
    es-pose-a-real-immanent-danger-to-human-beings/

    I note "immanent" (the divine dwelling within the material) is used
    where one might otherwise expect "imminent" (something that is going
    to happen very soon).

    I got the non-mRNA vaccine, so it doesn't matter to me.

    May I nurse from the ten hairy nipples that spout on
    your back while we nestle in the pod soaked in pod-goo?

    Oh, alright, but don't expect anything for your
    birthday.

    --
    Love

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  • From protein@1:229/2 to Love on Thursday, August 26, 2021 04:00:31
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: being@apolka.sign

    On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 03:36:40 -0400, Love <no@spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <sg4osp$j4c3$1@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>, rainbowguardian@web.de says... >>Am 24.08.2021 um 12:47 schrieb Love:
    In article <sg2c2g$b0h5$2@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>, rainbowguardian@web.de
    says...
    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/24/mrna-vaccines-pose-a-real-immanent-danger-to-human-beings/

    I note "immanent" (the divine dwelling within the material) is used
    where one might otherwise expect "imminent" (something that is going
    to happen very soon).

    I got the non-mRNA vaccine, so it doesn't matter to me.



    I don't think they made one, if you refer to the vector vaccines they
    just use viruses as carriers of mRNA!

    I don't think that's true but in any case
    the more important part of my post was the
    difference between "imminent" and
    "immanent".

    It's only natural.

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  • From ansaman@1:229/2 to Love on Thursday, August 26, 2021 05:24:52
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: ansaman@gmail.com

    On 8/26/2021 1:31 AM, Love wrote:
    In article <sg3j52$e11$2@dont-email.me>, ansaman@gmail.com says...
    On 8/24/2021 6:47 AM, Love wrote:
    In article <sg2c2g$b0h5$2@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>, rainbowguardian@web.de
    says...

    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/24/mrna-vaccin
    es-pose-a-real-immanent-danger-to-human-beings/

    I note "immanent" (the divine dwelling within the material) is used
    where one might otherwise expect "imminent" (something that is going
    to happen very soon).

    I got the non-mRNA vaccine, so it doesn't matter to me.

    May I nurse from the ten hairy nipples that spout on
    your back while we nestle in the pod soaked in pod-goo?

    Oh, alright, but don't expect anything for your
    birthday.

    (frowny face)


    --
    **The AnsaMan**
    Stupor Mundi!

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  • From Love@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, August 26, 2021 03:36:40
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: no@spam.invalid

    In article <sg4osp$j4c3$1@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>, rainbowguardian@web.de says... >Am 24.08.2021 um 12:47 schrieb Love:
    In article <sg2c2g$b0h5$2@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>, rainbowguardian@web.de
    says...
    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/24/mrna-vaccin
    es-pose-a-real-immanent-danger-to-human-beings/

    I note "immanent" (the divine dwelling within the material) is used
    where one might otherwise expect "imminent" (something that is going
    to happen very soon).

    I got the non-mRNA vaccine, so it doesn't matter to me.



    I don't think they made one, if you refer to the vector vaccines they
    just use viruses as carriers of mRNA!

    I don't think that's true but in any case
    the more important part of my post was the
    difference between "imminent" and
    "immanent".


    --
    Love

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  • From one@1:229/2 to protein on Thursday, August 26, 2021 04:27:41
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: whowas@some.place

    On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 04:00:31 -0700, protein <being@apolka.sign> wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 03:36:40 -0400, Love <no@spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <sg4osp$j4c3$1@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>, rainbowguardian@web.de says... >>>Am 24.08.2021 um 12:47 schrieb Love:
    In article <sg2c2g$b0h5$2@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>, rainbowguardian@web.de
    says...
    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/24/mrna-vaccines-pose-a-real-immanent-danger-to-human-beings/

    I note "immanent" (the divine dwelling within the material) is used
    where one might otherwise expect "imminent" (something that is going
    to happen very soon).

    I got the non-mRNA vaccine, so it doesn't matter to me.



    I don't think they made one, if you refer to the vector vaccines they >>>just use viruses as carriers of mRNA!

    I don't think that's true but in any case
    the more important part of my post was the
    difference between "imminent" and
    "immanent".

    It's only natural.

    Some folks may choose to believe
    a divine or the divine being does dwell within.
    For them, perhaps, that's only natural.

    Some people might contend
    there is no divine. Mother Nature
    is more a metaphor, not super-natural.

    An urgent emergent sense could be felt surrounding
    what looms large and spells doom, a bane that is
    uncomfortable to bear in the woulds.

    https://www.worldometers.info

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Worldometers suggests a two percent rate
    of death due to a virus while people whose demise
    contains little or no surprise is rather greater.

    More ends of physical life could be said to be caused
    by cancer which isn't necessarily a picnic, or heart
    problems yet both don't happen near as quick
    as a loss of breath as a result of a virus.

    With life arrives what is not-life.

    Before a being is born, was its being immanent?

    Prior to a single cell's conception, what was it?

    Is what is to follow life, that is to say, not-life, as divine
    as never having been conceived nor born?

    - two begin width ... Cheers!

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  • From mite@1:229/2 to one on Thursday, August 26, 2021 05:09:35
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: be@a.edline

    On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 04:27:41 -0700, one <whowas@some.place> wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 04:00:31 -0700, protein <being@apolka.sign> wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 03:36:40 -0400, Love <no@spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <sg4osp$j4c3$1@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>, rainbowguardian@web.de says...
    Am 24.08.2021 um 12:47 schrieb Love:
    In article <sg2c2g$b0h5$2@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>, rainbowguardian@web.de >>>>> says...
    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/24/mrna-vaccines-pose-a-real-immanent-danger-to-human-beings/

    I note "immanent" (the divine dwelling within the material) is used
    where one might otherwise expect "imminent" (something that is going >>>>> to happen very soon).

    I got the non-mRNA vaccine, so it doesn't matter to me.



    I don't think they made one, if you refer to the vector vaccines they >>>>just use viruses as carriers of mRNA!

    I don't think that's true but in any case
    the more important part of my post was the
    difference between "imminent" and
    "immanent".

    It's only natural.

    Some folks may choose to believe
    a divine or the divine being does dwell within.
    For them, perhaps, that's only natural.

    Life can be said to be what is
    within all the living beings.

    Life has been said to arise
    from non-life, naturally,
    given: abiogenesis.

    Some people might contend
    there is no divine. Mother Nature
    is more a metaphor, not super-natural.

    To suppose, presume or assume a noun,
    a category word points to a thing, life, and
    that this, thing, called, life, exists occurs
    naturally given a language structure.

    An urgent emergent sense could be felt surrounding
    what looms large and spells doom, a bane that is
    uncomfortable to bear in the woulds.

    https://www.worldometers.info

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Worldometers suggests a two percent rate
    of death due to a virus while people whose demise
    contains little or no surprise is rather greater.

    When a death occurs, some people want a cause.

    Yet when a life occurs, to ask what caused it
    might go without saying except, why not ask?

    What causes an individual life, at what point might a
    or the line be drawn between what effects carry
    a single cell from the unliving to the living to
    being a multicellular organism?

    Chemistry and chemicals, biology, psychology and
    sociology could be counted among many causes
    of a life being able to take shape over time.

    Is there a thing called Life that causes life to be?

    More ends of physical life could be said to be caused
    by cancer which isn't necessarily a picnic, or heart
    problems yet both don't happen near as quick
    as a loss of breath as a result of a virus.

    With life arrives what is not-life.

    Before a being is born, was its being immanent?

    Prior to a single cell's conception, what was it?

    Is what is to follow life, that is to say, not-life, as divine
    as never having been conceived nor born?

    - two begin width ... Cheers!

    Paradigms vary.

    To carve out a form, take a plant
    planted without hands by natural forces
    that don't force the plant as they allow it to be.

    Water, air, sunlight and given a seed a sprout is.

    Its life and its death might be slow or fast
    compared to a form called animal that
    may last a while and then changes.

    Between the forces that don't force
    and the forms which form which form is
    of an essence, immanent, divine within?

    Is a form of all forms called Life a spark
    of some sort that sparks a life to live,
    to be alive, for a spell and then, what?

    Where does one go after life to find Life?

    - without words ...

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  • From one@1:229/2 to mite on Thursday, August 26, 2021 05:17:29
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: being@apolka.sign

    mite wrote:

    Where does one go after life to find Life?

    - without words ...

    A danger if not the Danger mRNA vaccines may pose
    could be to the Great Dream Drama being exposed.

    Imposed on those who are all involved is
    a form of consensus, reality, that is.

    Shared by many a mass of people are infected
    by a notion of what ought not be and sew they go
    within their lives without knowing Life beyond
    a sentence structured of language.

    - barriers vary ... Cheers!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Noah Sombrero@1:229/2 to one on Thursday, August 26, 2021 08:17:48
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: fedora@fea.st

    On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 04:27:41 -0700, one <whowas@some.place> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 04:00:31 -0700, protein <being@apolka.sign> wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 03:36:40 -0400, Love <no@spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <sg4osp$j4c3$1@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>, rainbowguardian@web.de says...
    Am 24.08.2021 um 12:47 schrieb Love:
    In article <sg2c2g$b0h5$2@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>, rainbowguardian@web.de >>>>> says...
    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/24/mrna-vaccines-pose-a-real-immanent-danger-to-human-beings/

    I note "immanent" (the divine dwelling within the material) is used
    where one might otherwise expect "imminent" (something that is going >>>>> to happen very soon).

    I got the non-mRNA vaccine, so it doesn't matter to me.



    I don't think they made one, if you refer to the vector vaccines they >>>>just use viruses as carriers of mRNA!

    I don't think that's true but in any case
    the more important part of my post was the
    difference between "imminent" and
    "immanent".

    It's only natural.

    Some folks may choose to believe
    a divine or the divine being does dwell within.
    For them, perhaps, that's only natural.

    Some people might contend
    there is no divine. Mother Nature
    is more a metaphor, not super-natural.

    An urgent emergent sense could be felt surrounding
    what looms large and spells doom, a bane that is
    uncomfortable to bear in the woulds.

    You have so much fun with verbiage.

    https://www.worldometers.info

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Worldometers suggests a two percent rate
    of death due to a virus while people whose demise
    contains little or no surprise is rather greater.

    More ends of physical life could be said to be caused
    by cancer which isn't necessarily a picnic, or heart
    problems yet both don't happen near as quick
    as a loss of breath as a result of a virus.

    With life arrives what is not-life.

    Before a being is born, was its being immanent?

    Prior to a single cell's conception, what was it?

    potential immanence.

    Is what is to follow life, that is to say, not-life, as divine
    as never having been conceived nor born?

    some wood say.

    - two begin width ... Cheers!
    --
    Noah Sombrero

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Noah Sombrero@1:229/2 to Love on Thursday, August 26, 2021 08:24:16
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: fedora@fea.st

    On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 03:36:40 -0400, Love <no@spam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <sg4osp$j4c3$1@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>, rainbowguardian@web.de says... >>Am 24.08.2021 um 12:47 schrieb Love:
    In article <sg2c2g$b0h5$2@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>, rainbowguardian@web.de
    says...
    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/24/mrna-vaccin
    es-pose-a-real-immanent-danger-to-human-beings/

    I note "immanent" (the divine dwelling within the material) is used
    where one might otherwise expect "imminent" (something that is going
    to happen very soon).

    I got the non-mRNA vaccine, so it doesn't matter to me.



    I don't think they made one, if you refer to the vector vaccines they
    just use viruses as carriers of mRNA!

    I don't think that's true but in any case
    the more important part of my post was the
    difference between "imminent" and
    "immanent".

    mrna is messenger rna and an essential part of all life, plant and
    animal. It's role is to read what is writ in the dna and transfer
    that information to growing parts of the organism. "You are to be a
    leaf exactly like this". So no harm done if it says, "you are to be a
    virus killer antibody". That doesn't prevent various people from
    being spooked by the whole thing.

    In my old biology student days, I used to wonder how the mrna knows
    which part of the dna to read, and where to take it. It starts to
    feel immanent. I might even still wonder.
    --
    Noah Sombrero

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Noah Sombrero@1:229/2 to mite on Thursday, August 26, 2021 08:52:23
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    From: fedora@fea.st

    On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 05:09:35 -0700, mite <be@a.edline> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 04:27:41 -0700, one <whowas@some.place> wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 04:00:31 -0700, protein <being@apolka.sign> wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 03:36:40 -0400, Love <no@spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <sg4osp$j4c3$1@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>, rainbowguardian@web.de says...
    Am 24.08.2021 um 12:47 schrieb Love:
    In article <sg2c2g$b0h5$2@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>, rainbowguardian@web.de >>>>>> says...
    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/24/mrna-vaccines-pose-a-real-immanent-danger-to-human-beings/

    I note "immanent" (the divine dwelling within the material) is used >>>>>> where one might otherwise expect "imminent" (something that is going >>>>>> to happen very soon).

    I got the non-mRNA vaccine, so it doesn't matter to me.



    I don't think they made one, if you refer to the vector vaccines they >>>>>just use viruses as carriers of mRNA!

    I don't think that's true but in any case
    the more important part of my post was the
    difference between "imminent" and
    "immanent".

    It's only natural.

    Some folks may choose to believe
    a divine or the divine being does dwell within.
    For them, perhaps, that's only natural.

    Life can be said to be what is
    within all the living beings.

    Life has been said to arise
    from non-life, naturally,
    given: abiogenesis.

    Some people might contend
    there is no divine. Mother Nature
    is more a metaphor, not super-natural.

    To suppose, presume or assume a noun,
    a category word points to a thing, life, and
    that this, thing, called, life, exists occurs
    naturally given a language structure.

    An urgent emergent sense could be felt surrounding
    what looms large and spells doom, a bane that is
    uncomfortable to bear in the woulds.

    https://www.worldometers.info

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Worldometers suggests a two percent rate
    of death due to a virus while people whose demise
    contains little or no surprise is rather greater.

    When a death occurs, some people want a cause.

    Yet when a life occurs, to ask what caused it
    might go without saying except, why not ask?

    What causes an individual life, at what point might a
    or the line be drawn between what effects carry
    a single cell from the unliving to the living to
    being a multicellular organism?

    Chemistry and chemicals, biology, psychology and
    sociology could be counted among many causes
    of a life being able to take shape over time.

    Is there a thing called Life that causes life to be?

    More ends of physical life could be said to be caused
    by cancer which isn't necessarily a picnic, or heart
    problems yet both don't happen near as quick
    as a loss of breath as a result of a virus.

    With life arrives what is not-life.

    Before a being is born, was its being immanent?

    Prior to a single cell's conception, what was it?

    Is what is to follow life, that is to say, not-life, as divine
    as never having been conceived nor born?

    - two begin width ... Cheers!

    Paradigms vary.

    To carve out a form, take a plant
    planted without hands by natural forces
    that don't force the plant as they allow it to be.

    Water, air, sunlight and given a seed a sprout is.

    Its life and its death might be slow or fast
    compared to a form called animal that
    may last a while and then changes.

    Between the forces that don't force
    and the forms which form which form is
    of an essence, immanent, divine within?

    Is a form of all forms called Life a spark
    of some sort that sparks a life to live,
    to be alive, for a spell and then, what?

    Where does one go after life to find Life?

    - without words ...

    Is one talking to itself?
    --
    Noah Sombrero

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  • From aye@1:229/2 to Noah on Thursday, August 26, 2021 06:34:28
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: being@apolka.sign

    Noah wrote:

    Is one talking to itself?

    Aye. From a pov of all there is, is, say
    the Universe and that it is the it that speaks
    to its many selves which are its own self.

    Speaking out of many mouths,
    seeing out of each eye, hearing enters
    all its ears and it feels with every touch
    sensor, not to mention how it tastes.

    It smells and wafts to high heaven below
    on earth as its planet called Earth spins
    and wobbles around a sun, the Sun,
    while its moon known as the Moon
    reflects its light as bright as it might
    be for the time beings which it is as well.

    Eternally now is the time if now is
    to be seen as a time scene unfolds
    perpetually without motion at present
    it presents its elves to a mind spanning
    each finite point on a line from here to
    there over where you are as one is.

    Which reminds me
    of all people about a Tao. Yes, a Tao that is
    said to be within all things and yet this Tao
    which arrived in mind a few moments ago
    is less of a noun-thing than a kind of a
    balance that is to be found in all things.

    A yin-and-yang type of a Way to find,
    how to be among 10k-things all of which
    are not other than the one Universe.

    - naturally ... Danger lurks ... Cheers!

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  • From one@1:229/2 to aye on Thursday, August 26, 2021 07:04:31
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: being@apolka.sign

    aye wrote:
    Noah wrote:

    Is one talking to itself?

    Aye. From a pov of all there is, is, say
    the Universe and that it is the it that speaks
    to its many selves which are its own self.

    From the Universe within
    it emerged life and non-life
    and who can say which one
    was the first and which was
    not really other than a word.

    Some say from non-life grew
    life and from the two three are
    while others may say nay it was
    from life, mind, god ore non-life
    was born in vein and not in vain.

    Between things, individuals, forms,
    forms of CHON, CHONPS, many are
    amino-acids and replicator forms they
    are not alive, mere machines, chemical
    factories that infect the living ones, aye.

    Meanwhile Earth breathes. Rocks breathe
    and with some povs all so-called things live.
    Some roll and gather know moss. Some roles
    are as masks, personalities that cover one
    in case of social gatherings and that is
    where the Danger is two be found.

    - on duality's less than solid ground ...

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  • From Venus as a Boy@1:229/2 to All on Friday, August 27, 2021 05:56:27
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: rainbowguardian@web.de

    Am 24.08.2021 um 10:53 schrieb Venus as a Boy:

    The rationale of money:

    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/27/the-rational-of-money/

    --
    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.space/

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  • From Venus as a Boy@1:229/2 to All on Friday, August 27, 2021 13:53:37
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    From: rainbowguardian@web.de

    Am 27.08.2021 um 12:22 schrieb o'Mahoney:
    On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 05:56:27 +0200, Venus as a Boy
    <rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:

    Am 24.08.2021 um 10:53 schrieb Venus as a Boy:

    The rationale of money:

    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/27/the-rational-of-money/

    Lol. Your rationale of money is ... you haven't GOT any!

    Nor will you ever. Seeing all those pretty things you'll never buy or
    ever enjoy.

    Rationalise that!


    I have reached taoist satisfaction: I have everything I need and am
    satisfied.

    --
    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.space/

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  • From o'Mahoney@1:229/2 to rainbowguardian@web.de on Friday, August 27, 2021 18:22:26
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: libertidad@south.south.com

    On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 05:56:27 +0200, Venus as a Boy
    <rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:

    Am 24.08.2021 um 10:53 schrieb Venus as a Boy:

    The rationale of money:

    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/27/the-rational-of-money/

    Lol. Your rationale of money is ... you haven't GOT any!

    Nor will you ever. Seeing all those pretty things you'll never buy or
    ever enjoy.

    Rationalise that!

    --
    This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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  • From one@1:229/2 to Venus as a Boy on Friday, August 27, 2021 04:54:58
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: being@apolka.sign

    Venus as a Boy <rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:

    Am 24.08.2021 um 10:53 schrieb Venus as a Boy:

    The rationale of money:

    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/27/the-rational-of-money/

    Reminds me of an Alan Watts tale of how, one day,
    arriving at the construction site, the boss said they
    couldn't do any work that day because there were
    no inches.

    What do you mean, no inches, a worker asked.
    We've got all the materials and labor to do the job.
    How could we have run out of inches?

    Perhaps it's the same type of deal with money.
    Some people don't know how it goes. Some are
    afraid it can be lost, stolen or increase inflation.

    Some truths are true.
    Some are more true.
    Some less and less.

    There may be a Way to carry a slate
    and a Way to not need to.

    - trust and faith vary ...

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  • From one@1:229/2 to libertidad@south.south.com on Friday, August 27, 2021 04:58:08
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: being@apolka.sign

    On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 18:22:26 +0800, o'Mahoney
    <libertidad@south.south.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 05:56:27 +0200, Venus as a Boy
    <rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:

    Am 24.08.2021 um 10:53 schrieb Venus as a Boy:

    The rationale of money:
    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/27/the-rational-of-money/

    Lol. Your rationale of money is ... you haven't GOT any!

    Nor will you ever. Seeing all those pretty things you'll never buy or
    ever enjoy.

    Rationalise that!

    Some eyes find all that glitters, glitters.

    A little boy might pick up a rock and present it
    as a present to a little girl who tells him he is
    a knight, or a fool, as a game unfolds there
    is no thing like the present.

    - now one sea sits ... and waves ... Cheers!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Venus as a Boy@1:229/2 to All on Friday, August 27, 2021 13:58:46
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: rainbowguardian@web.de

    Am 27.08.2021 um 13:54 schrieb one:
    Some are more true.
    Some less and less.

    There may be a Way to carry a slate
    and a Way to not need to.

    - trust and faith vary ...


    Did you understand the post? The abstract is that practicall everybody
    can create currency and everything can be currency, so it is an
    arbitrary concept!

    --
    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.space/

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  • From Venus as a Boy@1:229/2 to All on Friday, August 27, 2021 14:01:12
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: rainbowguardian@web.de

    Am 27.08.2021 um 12:22 schrieb o'Mahoney:
    On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 05:56:27 +0200, Venus as a Boy
    <rainbowguardian@web.de> wrote:

    Am 24.08.2021 um 10:53 schrieb Venus as a Boy:

    The rationale of money:

    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/27/the-rational-of-money/

    Lol. Your rationale of money is ... you haven't GOT any!

    Nor will you ever. Seeing all those pretty things you'll never buy or
    ever enjoy.

    Rationalise that!


    Actually true i had digits on a computer or paper or metall!

    --
    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.space/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From one@1:229/2 to Venus as a Boy on Friday, August 27, 2021 05:38:12
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: being@apolka.sign

    Venus as a Boy wrote:
    Am 27.08.2021 um 13:54 schrieb one:
    Some are more true.
    Some less and less.

    There may be a Way to carry a slate
    and a Way to not need to.

    - trust and faith vary ...


    Did you understand the post?

    Yes.

    The abstract is that practicall everybody
    can create currency and everything can be currency, so it is an
    arbitrary concept!

    Aye, agree.

    In the Tao Te Ching is a number, 80.

    It suggests how people used to count
    using knots in rope to keep track, similar to shells,
    beads or numbers on a slate or a page, etc.

    Now-a-daze, many people are hooked on tracks.
    Me, being one of the many of all people, too.
    Having a number of numbers is Way good.
    Not having a number can be Way bad.

    Being in the black is good.
    Being in the red, not as good.
    Too much red ink might be bad.

    Once upon a time there
    were two time beings one of whom was
    very rich and very sad. The other was poor and
    was happy, very happy and glad as he knew
    he was not just a time being for a time
    being as he was not entirely mortal.

    There was an immortal aspect of the poor one
    which was other than how 10k-things appeared
    to the rich one who tried in vain to remain rich
    which induced much anxiety and grief in him.

    The one who had no material bling, no glitter
    things that kept the other tied to his being
    as a time being, being poor, he found he
    was in the present as the present did
    unfold without any effort naturally.

    Now he was for an ever and ever
    until one day he never was.

    - time and time again ... Cheers!

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  • From chris rodgers@1:229/2 to All on Friday, August 27, 2021 07:02:06
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    watching this netflix series on the dude from brazil
    "John of God". the ultimate charlatan, in fact he is
    without a doubt the biggest charlatan ever. He rapes
    women like crazy but he got caught and has to go to
    the pokie for 19 years. Which means he will die in prison.
    I can't believe how many people he bamboozled. Opray
    and Wayne Dyer even fell for his horseshit. What does
    that say about them? Careful what or who you believe
    these days, soon they will be in jail.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Venus as a Boy@1:229/2 to All on Friday, August 27, 2021 16:12:24
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    XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia
    From: rainbowguardian@web.de

    The real extremists:

    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.wordpress.com/2021/08/27/the-real-extremists/

    --
    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.space/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, August 27, 2021 16:34:31
    From: slider@anashram.com

    watching this netflix series on the dude from brazil
    "John of God". the ultimate charlatan, in fact he is
    without a doubt the biggest charlatan ever. He rapes
    women like crazy but he got caught and has to go to
    the pokie for 19 years. Which means he will die in prison.
    I can't believe how many people he bamboozled. Opray
    and Wayne Dyer even fell for his horseshit. What does
    that say about them? Careful what or who you believe
    these days, soon they will be in jail.

    ### - it's easy to deal with ALL this shit really: just don't 'believe' in anything! nada! :)

    i.e., they start's people off small believing in santa and the tooth fairy
    and they get presents/rewards for doing so, see? and so now they's hooked!
    no wonder then they start lookin' around for other things to believe in
    too like god and religion, country & flag and all the promises of rewards
    THEY purportedly offer! beliefs are then piled upon beliefs until
    'everything' gets approached in like-manner! a 'believer' has thus been
    born and has come into the societal fold ready to be milked on a daily
    basis... and boy do they gets milked or wot lol :)))

    better than crappy 'belief' is an open mind that tests/tries everything
    but 'believes' in nada, things are then accepted/not-accepted and/or probed/tested over long periods of time, what seems to work goes in one
    pile and everything else in the other pile, there's no need to 'believe'
    in any of it either way! something either works (has some effect) or it doesn't! and everything about it by way of explanation is debatable and on-going!

    take lucid dreaming for example: you know it's a real thing because you've personally experienced it yourself many times, there's no need to
    'believe' in it because you 'know' it instead, what you DON'T have to do
    is believe in the various 'explanations' for it and about it that people
    may come up with that should then all be taken with a pinch of salt while testing to see what (if anything) happens when doing it yourself...

    'beliefs' therefore being just like taking out a line of very expensive
    credit: once you commit you have to pay that fucker back whether ya likes
    it or not!

    'belief & believing' being a damn crappy way to move around in the world
    imho, one that's wide open to abuse, and boy do they abuse it!

    poor oprah lol, she's so very ordinary really then huh aww :)))

    (so now ya know how wallyworld actually functions heh, it's ALL based on
    belief & trust) ;)

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  • From Venus as a Boy@1:229/2 to All on Friday, August 27, 2021 18:34:15
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    From: rainbowguardian@web.de

    Maths:

    https://i.redd.it/lyt67cht9wj71.jpg

    --
    https://slowtemplelovecozmicpurplehealing.space/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From chris rodgers@1:229/2 to All on Friday, August 27, 2021 09:38:27
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    speaking of belief

    "how's that biden/harris support workin' for ya now America?"

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, August 27, 2021 19:11:07
    From: slider@anashram.com

    speaking of belief

    "how's that biden/harris support workin' for ya now America?"

    ### - whatever it is, it's still gotta to be TONS better than the trump alternative heh ;)

    iow: things could be far worse, a LOT worse! so just give 'em some time
    coz they's still in damage-limitation mode after trump...

    (pay no attention to afghanistan btw, no one's ever been successful there including the great british empire... summat to do with the way the wind 'whistles up the pass' or something haha - fucking isis merely taking the opportunity to grab a few gory headlines while the eyes of the world are
    on it, the shits... the taliban otoh merely hitting/bumping the US with
    the door on their way out etc...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From chris rodgers@1:229/2 to slider on Friday, August 27, 2021 11:58:29
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    slider wrote:
    speaking of belief

    "how's that biden/harris support workin' for ya now America?"

    ### - whatever it is, it's still gotta to be TONS better than the trump alternative heh ;)

    we'll see how all this pans out next Wednesday.
    i'm puttin' my money on this: in a jeff bridges voice: "that didn't pan out right"

    iow: things could be far worse, a LOT worse! so just give 'em some time
    coz they's still in damage-limitation mode after trump...

    they can have the time they like UNTIL the impeachment machine gets to rolling. what goes around sure as fuck comes right back around up your ass.
    these two (joe&cam) are the dumbest fuckers ever.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From chris rodgers@1:229/2 to All on Friday, August 27, 2021 12:06:23
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    we'll see how all this pans out next Wednesday.
    i'm puttin' my money on this: in a jeff bridges voice: "that didn't pan out right"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_KUwMD0sU0

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, August 27, 2021 21:25:27
    From: slider@anashram.com

    speaking of belief

    "how's that biden/harris support workin' for ya now America?"

    ### - whatever it is, it's still gotta to be TONS better than the trump
    alternative heh ;)

    we'll see how all this pans out next Wednesday.
    i'm puttin' my money on this: in a jeff bridges voice: "that
    didn't pan out right"

    iow: things could be far worse, a LOT worse! so just give 'em some time
    coz they's still in damage-limitation mode after trump...

    they can have the time they like UNTIL the impeachment machine gets to rolling.
    what goes around sure as fuck comes right back around up your ass.
    these two (joe&cam) are the dumbest fuckers ever.

    ### - nah, that's merely a repub opinion scrambling after straws coz they literally ain't gots anything else to go on as ammo except pure shit on
    their own side to cuss them out with? (the gop are in sooo much trouble
    they're becoming desperate to seize on any bad news...)

    i.e., you're assertions don't make any sense coz they (the left) haven't
    'done' anything yet??

    some shite about equipment being left behind in afghanistan for the
    taliban etc etc, big deal, the taliban used to be the mujahideen remember,
    the same dudes the US turned 'into' the taliban in order to harass the
    russians with when 'they' occupied afghanistan, the same crew who then
    became hostile when the west reneged on all their big promises to them
    once the russians pissed off... ultimately though, the taliban is our boy,
    we created them, and, in all likelihood, still have our spies amongst them
    in high positions, probably even running the damn show lol...

    the 'real' problem here, being your continuing 'belief' in the repubs (or
    the right wing then) to provide any solutions, which, when ya examine it,
    is nada else but 'nationalism', the exact same shit that hitler grew big
    on by promising to make 'germany' great again, iow: pure fascism!!!

    and methinks we ALL know where THAT shit leads to huh: world war for
    example ffs!

    fuck that, we're far safer under the left, who may indeed dither and
    become bogged down in red tape etc etc because they like to talk first and
    then act, but at least they wanna debate everything before just burning
    all the books that don't support nationalism...

    the problem is: you haven't really thought all this through and are
    going-off on opinion and beliefs alone rather than understanding...

    imho that is heh, coz what else could it be otherwise, that is unless
    you're insane haha ;)

    (and no, i don't think you're insane, or are only partially so then hehe;
    ya might get over it!)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, August 28, 2021 10:23:57
    From: slider@anashram.com

    we'll see how all this pans out next Wednesday.
    i'm puttin' my money on this: in a jeff bridges voice: "that didn't pan
    out right"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_KUwMD0sU0

    WASHINGTON — As the U.S. rushes to evacuate Americans and allies from the chaos of Afghanistan, a growing number of Republicans are questioning why
    the U.S. should take in Afghan citizens who worked side by side with
    Americans, further exacerbating divides within the party heading into next year's midterm elections.

    https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2021-08-28/republicans-afghanistan-refugees-u.s.-2694323.html

    Little more than a week ago, as the Taliban's stunning takeover of
    Afghanistan still was snapping into focus, former President Donald Trump
    issued a statement saying "civilians and others who have been good to our Country ... should be allowed to seek refuge." But in more recent days, he
    has turned to warning of the alleged dangers posed by those desperately
    trying to flee their country before an end-of-month deadline.

    "How many terrorists will Joe Biden bring to America?" he asked.

    As Republicans level blistering criticism at Biden during his first major foreign policy crisis, some are turning to the nativist, anti-immigrant rhetoric perfected by Trump during his four years in office. It's causing dismay among others in the party who think the U.S. should look out for
    those who helped the Americans over the last two decades.

    "I think these false narratives that these are a bunch of terrorists are
    just — they're completely baseless in reality," said Olivia Troye, a
    former White House homeland security adviser who currently serves as
    director of the Republican Accountability Project. "There's no basis for
    this at all in terms of the intelligence and national security world."

    Neil Newhouse, a veteran Republican pollster, said the rhetoric reflects
    "a general, overall increase" in concern in the country over the risk of terrorist threats after Afghanistan's fall to the Taliban — not just in
    the short term from those who may not have been properly vetted, but a
    year or two down the road.

    "There's just a sense that we are less safe as a country as a result of
    this," he said.

    The Biden administration has stressed that every person cleared to come to
    the U.S. is being thoroughly vetted by officials working around the clock.
    But the refugees have become an emerging flash point, with Trump and his followers loudly demanding that Americans be prioritized for evacuation
    and warning of the potential dangers posed by Afghans being rescued in one
    of the world's largest-ever civilian airlift operations.

    That talk intensified Thursday after a suicide bombing ripped through the
    crowd at the Kabul airport, killing 13 U.S. service members and well over
    150 Afghans.

    "How many American military personnel have to die to evacuate unvetted refugees?" tweeted Rep. Matt Rosendale, R-Mont. "Get American citizens out
    and bring our troops home."

    Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, on Friday toured the Doña Ana Range complex at
    Fort Bliss, where many refugees will be housed, and later tweeted the U.S. "should rescue Afghans who've assisted the US military, but they should go
    to a neutral & safe third country."

    "They should NOT come to US w/o a FULL security vetting," he said.

    That followed a call Wednesday by Kentucky Rep. James Comer, the top
    Republican on the House Oversight and Reform committee, for the
    administration to brief lawmakers on their efforts to vet Afghan refugees
    and prevent terrorists from entering the country.

    "In the chaotic situation left in the wake of the Taliban's takeover of Afghanistan, we are particularly concerned that terrorists and others who
    wish to harm the United States may seek to infiltrate the country
    disguised as those who provided assistance to coalition forces in
    Afghanistan," he wrote in letters to the secretaries of state and homeland security.

    Still others, including Republican governors and members of Congress, have taken a different stance, welcoming refugees to their states and working furiously to help those trying to flee. On Capitol Hill, the effort to
    help Afghan friends and family of constituents is the rare undertaking
    that is consuming legislative offices of members of both parties.

    The U.S. has evacuated more than 100,000 people from Afghanistan since the airlift began Aug. 14, including more than 5,100 American citizens. While
    the administration's explicitly stated priority is to evacuate Americans,
    the numbers reflect the demographics of those trying to flee.

    U.S. officials believe about 500 American citizens who want to leave Afghanistan remain in the country; others are believed to want to stay.
    And many of the Afghans, including those who served as American
    interpreters and fixers and in other support capacities, are desperate to escape, fearing they will be prime targets for retribution by the Taliban
    once the U.S. leaves.

    But that hasn't stopped Republicans from accusing the Biden administration
    of failing to put Americans first.

    "We're actually prioritizing Afghan refugees more than we're prioritizing
    our own citizens," said Republican J.D. Vance, who is running for Senate
    in Ohio and has made repeat television appearances blasting the administration's approach.

    On Fox Business Network, he claimed, without evidence, that the U.S. has
    "no knowledge" of 90% of the people being evacuated and said some have
    shown up on wide-ranging terror databases.

    "They put Americans last in every single way, but Americans pay for it
    all," echoed Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., who has shot to
    prominence with incendiary statements.

    Trump and his former policy adviser Stephen Miller, along with
    conservative commentators like Tucker Carlson, have taken things even
    further, using the same anti-immigrant language that was the hallmark of Trump's 2015 speech announcing his candidacy for the Republican nomination.

    "You can be sure the Taliban, who are now in complete control, didn't
    allow the best and brightest to board these evacuation flights," Trump
    said. "Instead, we can only imagine how many thousands of terrorists have
    been airlifted out of Afghanistan and into neighborhoods around the world."

    Carlson has warned about Afghans invading America.

    The rhetoric underscores the transformation of a party once led by neoconservatives who championed interventionist nation-building policies
    and invaded Afghanistan — followed by Iraq — nearly 20 years ago.

    But not Republicans all are on board.

    Sen. Thom Tillis, R-N.C., whose office has been working around the clock
    to rescue the "countless" Afghans he says deserve evacuation, chastised
    those in his party invoking "terrorist" rhetoric.

    "I would say that they need to do their homework," he said. "When you talk
    to the people that we've spoken with, when you look at their service
    record ... when you recognize that they sleep in the same tents, they
    carry arms together, they've been in live firefights, how dare anyone
    question whether or not they deserve to come to this country or to a safe
    third country?"

    "We're not talking about just walking down the street and picking and
    choosing people," Tillis added. "We know these people. We know who their children are. We know what their service record was. And quite honestly, somebody taking that position, each and every time they do, is insulting a service member who considers these people like brothers and sisters."

    Many of the Afghans seeking to come to the U.S. are doing so under the
    Special Immigrant Visa program designed specifically for individuals who
    worked with U.S. forces. Adam Bates, policy counsel at the International Refugee Assistance Project, said that, due to their work, those
    individuals were extensively vetted by U.S. authorities before applying to
    the program — and are again extensively vetted "by a wide array of federal agencies" before the visas are granted.

    Troye, who has spent significant time on the ground in Afghanistan over
    the years, said Americans became extremely close to the Afghans with whom
    they served.

    "These people became like family to many of us," she said. "It's really shameful to see some of these Republicans speaking in this way about
    people who really risked their lives to help us, who were really our
    allies on the ground."

    ### - how typical? i.e., with nada else to seize on and with their own
    house in total disarray, the gop are going all-out to make a mountain
    outta this one for biden huh...

    i mean, i can remember 'obama' talking about getting the troops outta afghanistan, not to bring them home so much as sending everything they've
    gots to the south china seas instead? (thereby hinting that that's what's coming up next)

    trumpy merely continuing that same movement, as-is now biden!

    iow: it's basically business as usual no matter *who's* in office across several presidencies, right?

    how typical then of old trumpy-boy to now lamely make an issue outta 'immigration'?? duh!

    hey maybe he'll suggest building a fuckin' wall all along the afghanistan border huh LOL ! :D

    so pay no attention to bs, especially when the 'real' issue here is the 2 decades of US occupation whereby everything is virtually now right back to exactly where things were 20 fuckin' years ago before the US even arrived?
    ALL of it a totally wasted effort involving untold 1000's of deaths on all sides! (someone must've made a shed-load of money outta that war then huh)

    and ya's can't blame all that on biden heh ;)

    i.e., the gop are literally fighting for their survival here, and as such
    are obviously prepared to seize on anything & everything to fuel their
    struggle + this is just the beginning coz it's gonna get a whole LOT
    nastier than this!? lol we ain't seen nuthin' yet! this being only the
    opening shot in a gop-war against the left, which they HAVE to win or
    become extinct!

    (am personally hoping for extinction heh, wherein the right-wing
    disappears altogether just like what happened in south africa heh, coz
    imho THAT'S the only safe future we gots! ;)

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